/lit/ - Literature

Harper Lee: Start with 'To Kill a Mockingbird', finish with 'To Kill a Mockingbird'.

There's one I found for Thomas Pynchon on Cracked but it's not very good, really. I might wanna make my own after thinking it through a little.

Actually a good idea.

What if we did just a image of Canon works like that, or /lit/'s perverted version of Canon anyway?

There's one of these for Murakami that I'd be interested in seeing again. I'm thinking about picking up a book by him some time soon.

I'd like a Shakespeare one.

But that's an awful image, as you really only need to focus on Syd's Floyd, Waters' Floyd was largely a piece of mediocre prog garbage.

>>2575767

Well you can just fuck right off. I was lucky enough to see Waters live last year playing The Wall in its entirety. Fucking incredible.

>>2575760
I'm working on one!

>>2575739

Okay I'm almost done the Pynchon one.

Done! Please give me your feedback.

>>2575805

d'oh, forgot to mention Slow Learner.

>>2575805
I like it

>>2575717
Hey bro, you got the one for Bob Dylan?

>>2575826

You can find them all here: http://mu-flowcharts.blogspot.ca/

Hm I would love to see more of these flowcharts related to literature. For example when it comes to poetry or especially epic poetry.
Or russian literature. Basically not stuff of a single author, but more of a chronological order when it comes to this stuff, to show you which writer inspired another one.

>>2575841

That's pretty cool. I've read The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, and according to this Kafka is less weird so I may check that one out soon.

>>2575846
I could do one for epic poetry easily too. But I'll wait until I get the Shakespeare one done first.

>>2575735
Here you go.

I'm happy to see there is an interest here. If you guys provide the text I will be happy to make the more images.

>>2575877

Thanks man! I appreciate it!

A bit rough around the edges but I think it works!

>>2576024

I really like it, nice job!

>>2576024
Excellent.

>>2576052
>>2576047
Thanks guys! I am going to go to bed, but I will try and do one on epic poetry tomorrow.

(Tripping for posterity.)

>>2576024
surprisingly decent actually. just need to include some of the histories - henry v, henry iv 1-2, richard iii. also merry wives for slapstick.

>>2576082
Oh, the histories! I don't really know them at all so I guess it's unsurprising I left them out.

>>2575830
What happens when you realize that Bob Dylan sounds like a whiny 90 chain smoking grandma with a severe cold?

>>2576099
you stop listening to bob dylan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcSLHyR7zBk

try listening to this piece, it is absolutely beauitful

>>2576082
What do you make of this then?

>>2576138
>Romanticism
Check this shit out, son. That secondary V on "ev". God damn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6RgaPTo4hE

>>2576138
This isn't Bob Dylan. I thought you were going to try and send me good Bob Dylan. I already know other music in the world is good, I don't know why you gave me that.

>>2576167
Updating slight error

I hate this idea and encourage everyone to avoid it and scorn it.

I love this idea and encourage everyone to flock to it and praise it.

bumping this for more flowcharts

>>2576190
>The Henriad
>mfw
Is that actually the "official" name of the histories?

>>2576788
That's what people call them! It's not an 'official' term but it has stuck.

Pink Floyd don't have THAT much albums, is it really a problem to listen them and decide for yourself which you like best?

This idea is stupid.

>>2576994

Hm in terms of pink floyd or a single writer I don't really like it.
I think a flowchart like that is very usefull to illustrat a certain movement of literature, like modernism and show who were the first who wrote that stuff and who got inspired by them and so on. I think this would be very usefull if someone is actually interested in seeing how a whole epoch went into existence and how it developed over time.

(sorry if I missused words, not a native English speaker)

>>2577004
It's not meant to be a visual representation of what influenced what - just a guide for people looking to get into a writer or band.

>>2577004
and why don't you just use wikipedia? :p

I think this is a splendid idea so bump.

>>2577006

Hm ok, I just think, that the overall idea / concept can be useful for other things than a single writer or band.

>>2577622

Well sure I can use wikipedia. I meant it would be a very good idea to do this for some things. For example poetry, epic poetry, maybe some russian lit or for things like modernism etc.
Maybe it could be included in the recommanded reading section or something.

OP again.

I wish I could make the broad genre charts but I am not well read enough. If someone were to provide the text I would be happy to make the image.

>>2580249
Perfect timing, I finished "The Sailor" yesterday.
Thanks.

What about James Joyce? Or maybe Jose Saramago?

>>2580249
>interested in bodybuilding?
>Sun and Steal

Is It something like Murakami's "What I Talk About When I Talk About Running"?

imo this is much better to aspiring-to-be-/lit/izens than the way too big (and confusing) Horey Shit I Got Quints list.

>>2580249
>I am not well read enough
>mishima

of course you aren't. sound of waves was really well written though. perhaps the only protag of his that doesn't need to be smacked back to reality?

bump

>>2580249
Are you a mind reader, OP?
I saw the thread yesterday and thought I'd come by today to request him.
Thanks!

>>2580249
WHY CAN'T I PIRATE ANY MISHIMA GODDAMNIT

>>2580286
You don't need a picture for James Joyce, he only wrote 4 books it goes like this.

Start with Dubliners - Like it? - Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - Like it? - Ulysses - Like it? - read other literature for ten years - Finnegans Wake.

A chart for someone like Orwell or Kafka would be good, and maybe one for the modernist movement.

>>2581932
I don't know why you'd need a chart for Kafka, you could read all of his stuff in a week.
>Metamorphosis - like it? >> The Trial - like it? >> Everything else.

>>2581935
You should read his short stories first. They're his best works.

You can pirate Mishima you retard.

Check /lit/'s Jap lit folder.

>>2576190
this is pretty great

Keep it up guys, these are excellent.

Can I /r/ one for Balzac? Or Faulkner?

>>2581946
We definitely need one for Balzac. He just wrote so fucking much

>>2575717
/mu/ is ruining this board

>>2581970
This idea is much better than a lot of the shit on /lit/

Always the same filth

Read 1984, thoughts?

Maybe this idea will catch on and people will:
1. Be able to choose books on their own, since the retards on /lit/ always need people to tell them what to do next
2. Expand the reading materials and hopefully encourage actual discussion, between authors' books etc.

>>2581970

If you don't like the idea, don't post. I think it's a grand one. It's all in the name of enabling discussion of literature, which is the whole point of this board.

I like this idea. Keep up the good work.

>>2581978
what is this called?

>>2582019

what is what called?

>>2582020
When someone on 4chan actually comes up with a good idea relevant to the board they are in.

Not the guy who originally asked btw

>>2582020
the picture/meme

>>2582025
lolno

>>2582026

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/that-really-rustled-my-jimmies

can we do this for a genre, not just prolific authors? i.e. how to into asian literature, how to into existentialism etc.

>>2582074
We've already done it by many nations/languages and some genres (sci-fi, fantasy, horror, comedy, philosophy)

It's time we do it by authors.

>>2582111
>>2582074

Is there any blog, like the /mu/ one, where these are kept for posterity? I know there's a wiki for the recommended reading but I've never seen any flow charts there.

has there ever been one made about the beats?

>>2582516
Heck yes would love a flowchart for that.

Actually I think we need a lot more well-read people in here to contribute their recommendations.
I can make flowcharts too if needed, but am not well-read enough to write the content.
So come on /lit/! Show us your expertise.

is there a flowchart on how to get into classical music?

>>2582516
I don't know too much about the Beats but I imagine it would go something like this:

Howl -> On the Road -> Naked Lunch

well, that's The Big Three's biggest works. I guess you could also throw in Junky near the beginning.

>>2582828
no flow-chart but Piero Scaruffi's "Classical for plebs" list is accessible and varied so you'll get a taste of all periods.

>>2582828
This is relevant to my interests

>>2581940
Why would you read the best books first?

>>2582849
you need to read some of their stuff or at least read a history and biography of the beat generation before reading howl or else you won't get any of the allusions

>>2581932
The problem with this flowchart is while one should start with Dubliners, whether or not they like it Portrait should be read anyway. Joyce's prose style largely changes before the two and from what I've seen there are quite a few people here who like/dislike Dubliners and dislike/like the rest of Joyce's works.

>>2581940
A short story first because it'd be more accessible, maybe The Judgement -> The Hunger Artist -> Metamorphosis... etc.

But a week? Anyone who can read the Metamorphosis, The Trial, and The Castle in a week isn't the type who'd need a flowchart for Kafka in the first place to be honest.

>>2582893
Agreed. If you know little about the time, you won't get it. Howl is NOTHING but allusions and references you won't get. I'd say the easiest way to get into them is to learn about them first. As such I'd actually say "And the Hippos Were Boiled In Their Tanks" to be a great book to start with concerning the Beats. Then On the Road->Junky (a better read than cut-up fuckery and it tells more needed history)-> Howl then you can kinda go where ever you want. If you liked Kerouac go into Dharma Bums, etc.

>>2582881
I'm guessing they're short on time?
I prefer reading the author's best work second myself, but reading the best work first might make you more tolerant when reading the author's other important works.

Doing that helped me when it came to Vonnegut's books actually

I'd like to request a flowchart for PKD, and/or sci-fi in general

>>2582943
maybe this helps

contribootin for anusman

>>2582957

>>2582965
thanks, it's nice to see my oc show up here

Good afternoon /lit/, OP here again. I hope the weather is nice wherever you are, I plan on doing some outdoor reading myself before it gets dark. I'll be bumping the thread with a few more flowcharts. It would be awesome if you could also make some flowcharts with some of your favourite authors as well.

>>2582900
>>2581932
Here is one for Joyce based on your posts.

>>2582943
I hated Foundation and the only SF writer I like is Ursula Le Guin, so I won't be making any sci-fi charts. Although someone else is welcome to.

>>2581932
>>2581935
>>2582900

>>2583109
>>2580249
>>2575805
I love you lots OP. Thank you.

>>2583109
That flowchart's so stylish.
Thanks for the covers, Vintage.

>>2583118
>saging on /lit/

This thread isn't going anywhere soon.

>>2583128
It was a polite sage because I didn't add anything to the discourse.

Thank you very much OP, that stuff is great!

I would ask for some flowcharts on the russian writers. I enjoy Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but others would be great too! Would love to have something about them!

>>2583097
>>2583106
>>2583109
Lovely.

>>2583128
Sage isn't an insult, proper way to use it, etc etc

is there anything about H.P Lovecraft? Don't know where to begin.

>>2583135
Shadow Over Innsmouth is the best place to start. It really sums up Lovecraft in a nutshell

This is a rather decent sci-fi/fantasy flowchart.

Is there a guide/template for flowcharts ? I'd like to make one for Balzac but i'm too retarded

>>2583150
thank you!

>>2583160
they're flowcharts. Really, just go into paint and make some lines to cover art. Done

>>2583160
Samples done by OP should be enough, otherwise head over to the /mu/ flowchart collection here for more demonstrations >>2575830

If you mean what general principle the flowchart should follow then pick a good starting book(serves as introduction to typical style, semi-good work), then follow that up with arrows pointing towards other works and a descriptor concerning individual preferences( if you prefer short books, more drama, etc.). Could also use opinion on the starting book as a descriptor(prose was delicious, story was too slow for my taste)

>>2583160
You can do it!

>>2583097
>No mention of Ulysses anywhere

why?

>>2583315
>doesn't know how to read
why?

>>2583315
Are you blind?

Anyway, I would appreciate one about Márquez .

Here's one about Calvino (sorry for the slight blur).

>>2583150
This is amazing. I copied down the NPR list, but never got started on it.

>>2583528
Any reason you didn't include Italian Folktales, The Watcher, SMog/Real Estate, The Path to the Spiders' Nests, and Mr. Palomar? They're all easily connected.

>>2583150
>I am Legend
>Zombies
I'm going to murder Will Smith.
Also, no Lovecraft when asked for Sci-Fi Horror? What the hell NPR.
Also, digging most of the ones so far, though I'm not sure I'd start Shakespeare with Hamlet... Can't really come up with an alternative though.
Anybody got one for Russian Literature? I'd imagine it would start with Dostoevsky, but to be honest, I'm not even sure how to into Dostoevsky. I'm trying to read Master and Margarita, and all this biblical and Russian stuff is flying over my head, and for some reason my translation thought it would be a good idea to put footnotes in the back of the book rather than at the foot of the page.

>>2575805
I desperately want to read V. does anyone know where I can dl it?

>inb4 <</r/

>>2583573
These are by no means necessarily comprehensive lists.

You're welcome to make your own.

>>2581941
>/lit/'s Jap lit folder
Where's /lit/'s stuff in general?

Can someone make one for Kant?

>>2583636
I'm sorry, I... Kant.

OP again. I've included a fixed Camus image.
I'd like to make more flowcharts for Orwell, Hemingway and Dostoevsky but I have only read a handful of books by each of them. Your help would be appreciated, here is what I was thinking...

Orwell: Start with 1984 > read Animal Farm if you are interested in more anti-communist work or read Homage if you are interested in his journalistic stuff. I don't know where to go from there. I want to include his other novels and his essays since those are by far his best works.

Hemingway: Old Man and the Sea > Farewell to Arms > ...?

Dostoevsky: Notes from Underground > Crime and Punishment > The Idiot > Brothers Karamazov. I'd like to include his short stories and other novels but don't know where to fit them.

>>2583648
I love you, let's have sex. Polite sage.

Help OP guys

We need a place to store these online.

>>2583528
Thanks for the chart, it'll keep me busy for a while yet. Haven't read any of his work.
And I wish I knew any author's body of work well enough to contriboot. Keep up the great work OP!

>>2583763
Nah, man.
Hemingway:
The Sun Also Rises
A Farewell to Arms
For Whom the Bell Tolls
The Old Man and the Sea
Islands in the Stream
A Moveable Feast [optional]

Here's one for Chesterton's Fiction. I'd do his religious and opinion writing too, but I doubt anyone wants to see a flowchart that big.

>>2583358

I too wouldn't mind one on Marquez if someone on /lit/ has the expertise. Also Jack Vance, but that's a rather tall order.

can someone plz make one for Jk Rowling? She is my favorite i am loking forward to her new book so much!

Bump for more flowcharts.

>>2584202
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

３D

>>2584100

>>2584639
Keep it up OP!!!

bumpan

Holy fuck these flowcharts are dumb. I saw some other people object to these earliery.

HERE IS WHY.

WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME.
ALL BOOKS ARE PRONE TO SUBJECTIVITY.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE END-TIER OF AN AUTHOR OF ENTIRELY DIFFERENT REASONS.


THERE ISNT ANY FUCKING FLOWCHARTS TO READING BOOKS.

EXCEPT IF IT IS A TRIOLOGY SUCH AS LORD OF THE RINGS.

THIS THREAD IS STUPID AND YOU SHOULD ALL FEEL BAD.

AND INSTEAD OF ENCOURAGING ACTUAL LITERARY DISCUSSION YOU ARE KILLING IT BY MAKING STUPID FLOWCHART PICTURES. THINKING YOU CAN BRING DOWN THE DISCOURSE OF LITERATURE INTO SOMETHING AS EASY AS A NOVEL FLOWCHART.

YOU PEOPLE ARE MORONS.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY /MU/ IS BAD SINCE IT ALWAYS TRY TO CRAM EVERYONE DOWN THE SAME PATH SAYING THIS IS OBJECTIVELY BAD AND THIS IS OBJECTIVELY GOOD.

ITS THE WORST KIND OF ELITISM AND PRETENTIOUS SNOBBERY THERE IS.

>>2584665
Actually you should read the books chronologically, generally. So you can see the author mature through his works.

>>2584665
Thet's deep brah.

>>2584665
Well it that case we should get rid of the sticky and not recommend anything, so every thread on /lit/ will be "where do I start with this author" instead of actually discussing what they've read.

>>2584665
well said, sir

>>2584665

I disagree, all this is doing is giving people a starting off point and some further suggestions based on how they enjoy it. If this helps one person find an author he grows to enjoy your little diatribe against flowcharts is as meaningless as it is loud.

Hell the first chart got me interested in Pink Floyd yesterday and now I can't put them down.

>>2584665
>TRY TO CRAM EVERYONE DOWN THE SAME PATH SAYING THIS IS OBJECTIVELY BAD AND THIS IS OBJECTIVELY GOOD.
Not even. The flowcharts aren't saying that about anything, they're simply categorizing the works in suggested order of completion.
I hope everybody understands that they're just suggestions. They don't say anything about a work's "worth" or "goodness".

>>2583150
>I don't like Cyber Punk
>recommends Jules Verne

>I only read books with pictures
>asks about their views on pomo
Mother of God.

Could we have one for russian literature, perhaps?

OP here. I feel as though I am sort of running out of steam. I don't think I will be able to make anymore by myself. Although I will be happy to make more charts if you provide the text.

>>2584665
These charts are by no means definitive. They are just recommendations meant for those who are interested in new authors but do not know where to start. I also hope that they will get rid of redundant recommendation threads for authors discussed daily and make way for more literature discussion.

>>2585012
Joseph Heller
Start with Catch-22
stop

>>2585012

Interesting one, I think Sandman is his best work and that everyone should read it, but I'd be tempted to start it out with American Gods or something else that's a bit more standard.

I've made my Calvino and Chesterton charts which unfortunately means I've run out of authors I'm comfortable with, but I encourage other people to contribute!

>>2585058
You could do like I did

Read Catch-22
Stumble upon Portrait of The Artist as an Old Man
Cry in the end because you realise that even he knew that he could never live up to that book.

>>2580249

That font is beautiful, like Mishima's death. What is it? I'll use it for the one I'm working on.

Great job OP. I would love to see one of these or Nietzsche.

You should make one for Philip K. Dick since that everyone comes here asking for suggestions on his work.

>>2586151

Oh Jesus, just thinking about that web of dozens of novels and short stories makes my head hurt.

>>2586039
Nietzsche: Chronological

>>2586173
Might wait with Zarathustra until you've read the rest though. After that get into the nachlass. And read a biography.

>>2586173
Nah, Beyond Good and Evil first.

>>2586181
Did Nietzche write any prose works?

>>2586151

I've read about 10 of his books and like twenty five of his short stories, but I could only really recommend 3 of those books and a handful of the stories. That wouldn't be a good flowchart, so I'll leave the task to someone who likes his books a bit more.

>>2586194
Technically, it's all prose. If you mean like a story, Zarathustra is like that. It's like an aping of a biblical/prophetic text.

>>2586181
If you're well read in the history of philosophy and history in general I'd still suggest starting with Birth of Tragedy. It's cool watching his thought evolve, and Birth of Tragedy was legitimately brilliant in its own right.

>>2586195

And to add to this I don't think a PKD flowchart would be very helpful because it would imply that you should read a selection of his stuff in a row, which you really shouldn't. PKD works read in succession suffer from diminishing returns far more so than any other author I'm familiar with.

Bump for more flowcharts.

these flowcharst are dumb

>>2584665
oh hey i see you already covered that, thanks

>>2585982

It's Sabon, the sexy Garamond.
Here is a template for those interested.

>>2581941
Where is this?

>>2586857
rs.4chan.org
search jap lit
(o*･ω･)

>>2586885
i got quite a bit from this, thanks

still missing sun and steel, though.. does anyone know where i might find that online?

I kinda feel like doing one of these flowcharts, except for sexual positions.

bump for cool idea.
And not OP, but I'm willing to do charts if people provide me with the complete info. Your favorite authors maybe?

>>2586899
I've found it in Italian and German but I'm having trouble locating an English version.

Requesting a David Foster Wallace chart/reading order. Should be easy work for /lit/

>>2590461

Short stories/broom of the system --> IJ --> PK

Hm I would love some flowcharts about russian writers, like Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky or Gogol. Unfortunately I only read selected works by russian writers and don't know the others to well to make any.

Can anyone make one for Dan Brown?

so many requests for russian lit, I too would like someone better aquainted to make one!

>>2591434
wtf is this?
Do not listen to this poster. Broom of the System is not a very good novel unless you're a huge DFW already and some of his short fiction is way too obscure to grasp at first.
Here's how you should go:
1. Nonfiction (A supposedly fun thing... is recommended)
2. Infinite Jest
3. Short stories
4. Pale King
5. Broom of the System
6. All the other random publications

>>2582943
I would also like a PKD one, read quite few of his books, but not enough to be an authority on him....

>>2583130
you must be from /jp/

>>2583581
Hamlet was chosen not necessarily because it is the easiest to get into but because it perhaps covers the broadest range of themes. You've got the incredibly deep characterisation of its protagonist, yeah, and you've got high tragedy involving dynasties and kingdoms and so on, obviously, but also really interesting things about art and the play-within-a-play and everything. So I think it covers a broad range of things Shakespeare does best.

It's also the best-known play and contains lots and lots of very famous lines so it's perhaps more accessible in that respect as well.

bump, i won't have this thread die before i get home

>>2591890
>recommends thousand page novel to into DFW before short stories
Ishiggy Diggy

>>2592765
Not him, but I did it
IJ-->nonfiction-->stories, etc.

I would be very grateful for a Lovecraft one.

>>2593269
Fresh out the oven, baked for you.

>>2593595
Make more, boss

>>2591890
>a huge DFW

Someone do one for authors who actually wrote a lot?

Dickens, Balzac, Zola, Tolstoy, Maupassant etc

>>2593622

>>2593637

>>2593625

no u

>>2591570
Can't we just forget that Dan Brown and his works exists. When The Da Vinci Code was realized it showed a classic example of the media and popular society liking complete shit.

>>2593595
Thanks a lot.

>>2593872
No problem, but make sure to read The Dunwich Horror as well, it slipped my mind when making it.

>>2593595
Much appreciated, thanks!

Would also like more advice from everyone about reading Infinite Jest before DFW's short stories. Might make a chart after.

Has anyone added the new ones to the wiki?

bump