/lit/ - Literature

Why does that copy of tCitR looks so thick? Is that an old person edition?

>>2561767

It's just perspective I think.

Just stay in high school at least long enough to get a diploma you idiot. Be as cool and edgy and rebellious as you want within school.

>>2561788
I live in glorious British Columbia, they offer diplomas through homeschooling programs.
The main problem would be if I was homeschooled, I would miss a lot of extra stuff that's offered through the highschool, and I'm not sure if shortening the time it takes to get a college degree by two years is worth missing out on that.
I also just want to entertain the idea of being an angsty rebel, I'm mostly looking for some good books about edgy cynical teenagers who throw caution to the wind and do stupid stuff with their life.

Stay in high school, but rebel. The great secret about being under 18 that they don't tell you is that your juvenile record gets wiped clean and as long as you graduate high school no one will be the wiser. If I had known this, my high school memories would have been worthwhile. Do some graffiti, stay out late, smoke cigarettes, do all the stuff they tell you not do. You're young and indestructible, anon. Make the good grades so they can't say shit to you, too. Just fucking live!

Read Kerouac. Read Salinger. Read Hesse. Read Fight Club. Read Nietschze. Read Camus.

Learn a skill like carpentry or car repair. Play an instrument. Learn everything you can and care about outside of school.

But you probably won't do this because you've already been whipped. Women telling you how to behave and exerting control over you with too much power. Building the perfect non-conflict seeking citizen who will do everything he's supposed to and marry a nice girl and have a nice life. And while you're holding your baby in the middle of the night trying to calm his wailing because she told you it's your turn even though it wasn't, you'll wonder what else you could have done. You'll wonder what else there is in the world and push the thought out of your mind because you realize you've built too much and grown too far to linger there.

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>>2561788
This
Be a existentialist drifter fuck once you've gotten your degree

>>2561801
Wiped sparkly clean? Even if the kid's a felon?

>>2561806
Like I said in >>2561799, I can still get my degree and all that stuff even if I quite formal school, the only difference is that I'd get to be an existentialist drifter fuck a few years earlier.

>>2561801
This is awesome advice, thanks. I think you just convinced me to get into drugs. But how will I deal with the feeling that I'm only rebelling in a socially acceptable manner, and that breaking the law doesn't mean anything if its done without any purpose or plan to it?

>>2561809
Depends on the crimes, the age, and the sentence. But, most of the time, yes. If it's very serious (murder and such), they end up going free at 18 and just being on parole. Juvie just isn't as big a deal as people think.

You've got your whole damn life to do all that shit. It might seem frustrating at the time, but enjoy not having bills, and being able to sleep through class while it lasts. Once you get your diploma, you're immediately more hireable than someone without one, even if you don't think you care.

Jeez just wait like two years man. Buck up and then you can do whatever the fuck you want when you're 18, and you know, can legally do things.

>>2561801

I wish I had capitalized on the privileges of being a minor before I turned 18. God, I wasted all of those years being a good little boy. And for what? None of it matters, as long as you don't get yourself killed and keep your grades above water.

STAY IN HIGHSCHOOL AND GET GOOD GRADES

Jesus Christ, all you existential faggots with your "I'm too smart to sit still in a classroom from 9-3 and do my homework, I should just go straight to college"

no no no no no no you're going to ruin your life

>>2561828
>woman whipped
Enjoy your safe, unfulfilled life while we have an affair with your bored wife

Frankly, high school is useless. You might as well start going to community college because you're going to have to take the same general education classes no matter where you go. Do well there, and you can transfer out to wherever you want.

>>2561818
Breaking the law without purpose or plan is the best way to break the law. It's just a game. They're the cops and you're the robber. They need you just as much as you need them.

Rebelling is never socially acceptable. You'll piss off your parents, authority figures, and everyone if you do this. It won't feel socially acceptable when you're doing it. Besides, existentialism isn't about feeling happy and good. That's hedonism. It's about experiencing as much as you can in this short life.

As far as the drugs go just be smart and don't...aww, who am I kidding? Have fun. Just don't be junkie. Those guys are fucking annoying.

>>2561828

You're really over-exaggerating quite a bit.

ITT: bad ideas

>op

>>2561818
>you just convinced me to get into drugs.

Definitely do drugs (hypothetically). At least weed and drinking.

>But how will I deal with the feeling that I'm only rebelling in a socially acceptable manner,

Not give a shit? idk man

>and that breaking the law doesn't mean anything if its done without any purpose or plan to it?

So come up with a plan or purpose that doesn't require dropping out.

>>2561846
Bitch. Don't worry, I'm one too. Just don't condemn this young anon to your boring life.

>>2561828
>STAY IN HIGHSCHOOL AND GET GOOD GRADES
Thats what I'm doing now though, but it seems like I'd be accomplishing more if I just finished everything early and started taking some college courses in the stuff I'm interested in. I cant finish up highschool through my provinces homeschooling program (its the same as a highschool degree).

>no no no no no no you're going to ruin your life
How? I'm trying to figure out the pros and cons of the whole situation right now. This would help.

My plan right now is pretty much:
>Finish up this semester
>Finish my grade twelve math course over the summer
>Audit first year college course in math and do my other highschool courses at home
>Learn an instrument with the free time I now have
>Take up smoking and get a job for some extra money
>After a few years of this, transfer to a better colllege and then take the courses there
>Graduate a few years early because I already did the first two years in CC
>Join French Foreign Legion or something equally stupid and reckless

>>2561867
You should consider not smoking and actually doing something interesting once you've got a degree. To be ahead in life is not something to throw away -- make GOOD use of it.

>>2561867

Don't smoke tobacco, it's lame and pointless. Smoke weed and drink. Also LSD and maybe ecstasy and DMT.

>>2561867

>joining the Foreign Legion

You might as well just rob a liquor store and do a few years in prison.
Only difference is you get payed better in France.

>>2561878
I know, the smoking thing was just a joke. And I think I'm going to join the peace core, not the FFL.
I'm just not sure it would be better to stay in higschool and take everything it has to offer, or get a head start on life. So far you guys have given me some really good advice, I dont really feel the need to get up and walk straight out of my classroom anymore.
I'll also check out the books >>2561801 recommended, the ones I have read I really enjoyed, so I'll assume the other ones are equally good.

>>2561883
Of course not, smoking tobacco would be stupid.
I have a friend who would give me some mushrooms, but he's an annoying stoner wont let me try them until I've smoked weed first. Although this thread has definitely inspired me to try weed.

>>2561883
>>2561878

These guys are fucking lame. You can still do all that and be a rebel. And you smoke cigarettes BECAUSE they're bad for you. Because everyone says not to do it while stuffing their fat faces and downing pints of mind altering drugs because people think that's 'okay.' Fuck that, OP. Show them that you can play their game with your own rules. Cheat, but do it for the whole class and take your test honestly. Steal clothes and sneak them into other stores and put them on their racks. Write poems in graffiti where everyone can read them. Love a girl like she's the only one you'll ever want. There's so much you can do, OP.

>seriously convincing some naive 16 year old to drop out of highschool and take up drugs
>year of the dragon

認真，我希望你不要這樣做

>>2561925
>Implying being an angsty protagonist from some /lit/ novel isn't better than being boring
>2012
>ISSY DIGGY

If being an angsty rebel is something you have to actively aspire to, you will never be one. Give up now, accept that you're a fucking nerd, and do your damn schoolwork. No productive member of society has ever been proud of dropping out of high school, and unless you are a one-in-a-million genius with the obsessive drive of fucking Batman himself you can only make it so far in life without a real education.

OP I hope you realize that most of the people offering horrible advice in this thread are either laughing at your naive adolescent narcissism or are massive faggots who you should not be trying to emulate in the slightest.

Why not just test out of Highschool with a G.E.D?

It's difficult to get a job at the moment anyways, especially if you don't even have a Highschool degree. If you are serious about this plan, at least find a job first before leaving High School.

You'll have to take general education courses in college anyways, though admittedly I guess starting earlier means you get them out of the way earlier. Your goals seem very vague though, your feeling of doing "more" may persist in college, especially when you're taking general ed courses.

Simply, I would say you need a more defined goal before leaving highschool. Otherwise you'll drift through college in the same way until you drop out.

>>2561900
You sound like a walking cliche.

>>2562056
This is probably the most reasonable advice in this thread, thank you.

Also, the "rebel" is one of the weakest forms of self-identification in existence. A rebel defines himself by his enemy; without someone to fight, he is nothing.

When you become an adult, you will learn to stand for something rather than against it. If you actually care about changing society and not just feeling important, you will learn that the most effective way to do so is to work from within, rather than heckle from without. And if you care about maturity, you will learn to be humbled, that you're not so special or so much better or more profound than the others around you that you don't have to work hard and adjust yourself to the social system we all inhabit just like they do. And if you care about morality, you will learn that what is just is rarely what is glamorous, and you will find it better to live a mundane life of goodness than a thrilling life of selfishness.

None of which is to say that you shouldn't follow your dreams, or try to be the best person you can be with the materials you've been given - but you should find what you want to do in life and let yourself mature a little (actually a lot) before you start burning bridges and making a fool of yourself.

>>2562082
For what it's worth, high school was miserable for me too and I did in fact consider dropping out a few times. I didn't though, and with my high school diploma I was able to get into a decent college where I can now work with people who know far more than I do about the skills I want to master. For years I coasted through school without ever really taking initiative or even trying, instead thumbing my nose at the establishment and getting by with passable grades and minimal effort simply by way of natural intelligence. It wasn't until relatively recently that I came to realize I wasn't that special and I need to play the game just like everybody else. You do too. Be yourself, but remember that you're just one person in a world of billions.

>>2562105
>You do too. Be yourself, but remember that you're just one person in a world of billions
Thats sort of what triggered this, I was thinking that, even by playing by the rules of society, I'll still be a completely normal uninteresting person, one of millions like me. If I broke out of the system, by doing something radical like homeschooling myself and going to college. Then I'd at the very least be different than the millions of other slightly smart kids drifting through school without any real end plan.

>>2562131
No matter what you do you'll be like millions of other kids. The fact of the matter is simply that no one is that special, certainly not during their teenage years when their identity is still being formed. People who stake their claim as "rebels", who go their entire lives throwing caution to the wind and refusing to be a part of any "system", may make for romantic figures who are fun to fantasize about being, but the reality is that these people (deny it as they may) generally go through their lives lonely, angry, and perpetually unfulfilled. I don't think you really want to be one of those people.

That doesn't mean you have to be uninteresting though. Find out what you're passionate about and devote yourself to it. Pursue new experiences and meet new people. Challenge yourself, learn as much as you can about as many things as you can.

>>2562161
When you're young it's understandable to want to stand out, to prove that you're totally unlike anybody else, because again, you're still figuring out who you are and you want to assert your identity for yourself and the world to see. But I think most people once they mature emotionally end up not being so bothered by that anymore; they become secure in who they are, and rather than try to be someone totally unique they try to be the best possible version of who they are. Their goals shift from wanting to change society and explore themselves to wanting to help the people around them and perfect the skills they have.

You're still figuring out who you are, and that's okay. But there's no need to rush it. You have your entire life ahead of you; you're not losing anything of cosmic significance by taking it slow. Also: there's no such thing as wasted time - every moment you spend becomes a part of you. So while it is important to be productive and enrich yourself, it is also important to be personally fulfilled and to always find time to do what you enjoy. (Hope that doesn't seem like mixed messages.)

Also: Never disparage the "normal" person. Every individual is a piece of the whole. Every person, even the most seemingly simplistic, is a complex tapestry just waiting to be explored.

>this threat:
>I am so edgy /lit/, look at my misapplication of the term protagonist and rebellious acts of inconformity.
Stop this shit op, nobody gives a fuck.

>underage babbies discuss dropping out and smoking pot
>some of /lit/ encourages this shit
>some of lit is also unemployed, addicted to hard drugs, and considering suicide any day now

lawyer here. Stay in school you fagget. You can start "rebelling" once you start supporting your own damn self instead of being fed and paid for by mommy and daddy. You owe your parents a return on their investment in you.

>>2562207
I think it's fine if he heads to community college early. High school is garbage. I don't really advocate any of the other loser shit though.

>>2562211
But WHY would you waste your money on community college when highschool education is provided for you free? It's a ridiculous additional burden to place on your family, just because you're 16 and feel highschool is "beneath" you. If you're so damn smart and above everyone else, you had better be BEASTING THE SHIT out of your highschool marks and getting into Harvard undergrad with a full ride. If you can't do that, stay in highschool and work on getting that free ride.

This is not really his decision to make solely. He must consider his the state of his parent's finances. Jesus Christ, I would slap the shit out of my kids if they pulled this shit on me. Stay in school and smoke pot and get laid after you've done your homework. It's not hard. We've been doing it since the 60s.

>>2562213
Highschool education is worthless, that's why. Most people have their tuition waived for CC unless they're quite rich. If you've got the money, then you can afford it anyway. Regardless of cost, it'd be cheaper than paying the same two years in a university for the same general education crap. How often are people really going to get a scholarship to a university? It's not even about being incredibly smart, it's about not wasting time and getting ahead in life faster. You're making a judgment without all the facts.

>>2562218
>How often are people really going to get a scholarship to a university?

I did.

>>2562219
That's the best statistic I've ever heard.

>>2561900

Hah wow, you're a real faggot. There's a total difference between mind altering drugs that have no real physical damage, and a drug that does nothing and has a very serious affect.

Did /lit/ just convince some random teenager to ruin his life?

College of any kind is pointless and stupid. Therefore, if you don't want to end up pointless and stupid, don't waste your- wait, correction, your parents money on it.

>>2562219
why are you posting in this thread retard

Sorry to bump in here OP but I'm on my phone so can't start a thread. Believe it or not, I'm 16 and about to finish high school. My question is whether you think it wiser to get into uni straight off. If so, I could hypothetically have a degree by the time I'm 19, as the school course I'm doing may allow me to go straight into second year of uni. My problem with this is that I'm not sure I am a mature enough person that I should have a degree by the time I'm 19, though everyone I know assures me otherwise. Which leads me to my other option, a gap year. My dad is pushing for uni but if I want to take a gap year, I could probably convince him. And im fairly confident I will actually be productive in this gap year, learning areas that I'm interested in and gaining skills I otherwise would not have been able to.

Anyway, tl;dr, should I get a degree by the time I'm 19 or just take a gap year and chill.

>>2562586
Why are you kids in such a damn rush?

Aww, OP's an adorable little unique snowflake. Keep spending your parents' money and idolizing queers, OP. You're sooooooooo different and edgy.

>>2562586
> Believe it or not, I'm 16 and about to finish high school.
So you'll be graduating one year early? Congrats, that's pretty commonplace. Sorry if you thought you were extraordinary.

>>2563017
I didnt mean to sound arrogant, it's just that the last time I said this on /lit/ no one believed me.

Finish highschool ya cunt. They'll be plenty of time for all this thinking and smoking after you're old enough to buy a pack a smokes.

>>2563337 here. OP, can we be friends?

>>2564340
Sure dude, we can take long walks on the beach and bitch about all the phonies together.

I am also in highschool. I am getting my ass kicked by grades, but I keep trying. I'm pretty dorky, but I try to keep it moderated in front of people. This guy sounds like what my friends and I call a faggot. Whiny, narcissistic, and overly existential. We have a theory, that these guys were generally raised by very liberal parents, who grew up listening to their parents talk about academics and intellectuals or discovered them or whatever, and were so vexed by this romanticized view of life, this "rebel without a cause" mindset, that they started thinking they were above other people because they were going to be the next (insert 20th century author here).
My friends and I were the spawn of a different set. Somewhat wiser gen-x-ers who new not to be too encouraging, to be rational, that taught us humility.
From there we each came to the conclusion that we were just dumb highschool kids that didn't know shit yet, and to try not to rustle anyone's jimmies too much while we figured it out. I know my parents would flip shit if I even brought up dropping out, as they should.
TL;DR: OP is an inconsiderate fag.

>>2564591
Hey buddy I know you're in high school but try not to toss around words like "fag" and "faggot" as insults because they're kind of dehumanizing slurs that help entrench prejudice and bigotry. Just a word of advice!

>>2564618
Yeah, I know. I was just using it in the context of 4chan's colloquial OP's a fag retort. High Schoolers are actually a pretty tolerant bunch these days, at least in my town, when it come to sexuality and race.

OP, people go to college and get a full-time job not because it's the best choice, but becuase it's the safest choice.

Perceived safety is very important to wellbeing and mental health. You're in highschool and your parents pay for your rent and food, and you don't have a wife and a kid who depend on you, and your health is perfect, so you don't care about that yet. But later on you will.

You can do a lot by disregarding the safe way, but it can (and probably will) also screw you royally in the end. Are you the sort of person to do that? You go to 4chan, so you probably aren't. If you like playing video games and reading books, you're far better off the safe route.

The problem with going against the norms like education and job is that it can get pretty physical pretty fast. You'll get hungry and cold and lonely. When you find a nice girl, you won't be able to take her out to the restaurant, because you're constantly broke. When you want to start a family (which you will when you're 25, that's jsut how the brain works), you won't be able to, because you're in financial ruin and have no chance of getting quick money to even rent a place to settle with your wife at.

I'm not listing the obvious upsides, only the downsides.

>>2564636
>mfw I'm 25 and a family is the last thing I want

>>2564636
Upsides to dropping out and taking up drugs:

1. You get to experience how empty and boring the bohemian lifestyle is firsthand, after a month of drinking and drugging with vapid hanger-ons.

2. Food will taste way better when you get it because you'll be so hungry.

3. You won't be fat.

4. You don't have to talk to your family anymore if you don't like them.

>>2564591
You seem to have your shit pretty together for a teenager.

don't leave school.

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>>2564591
You must have a souless life.
I'm not supporting OP dropping out, but being a whiny wanna-be intellectual with delusions of grander is an essential part of childhood, how are you ever going to to enjoy stuff like The Razors Edge and Catcher in the Rye?