/lit/ - Literature

Why the fuck didn't you call?

Why was that a hard decision? Are you trolling? Anyway, yes I have faced these kinds of decisions, but the point I guess is to take responsibility for them and not appeal to metaphysical or ideological reasoning to justify your actions.

No you chose to help murder that woman. You are not free.

>>2456373
I dont know. Perhaps it has something to do with the bystander effect? I feel guilty as all hell and must now live with it. Its not as if I could even redeem myself.

>>2456378
>>2456378
Free to choose our path.

>>2456380
See, blaming it on some abstract ''bystander effect'' is exactly what Sartre and Camus were warning you not to do...learn from it, OP...as far as redemption goes, you should just flop that dick right out the window.

>>2456380
>Perhaps it has something to do with the bystander effect?
That's only valid if you were unaware of it before hand. The moment you are aware of the bystander effect's influence, it stops working.

>>2456383
You chose by circumstance. You are still guilty though. Turn yourself in.

>>2456390
>turn yourself in
i lol'd

>>2456383
>tfw you'll never again get off the path to kick a ball around a field.

The only answer to the free will question is: Stay off the grass. :(

OP I know exactly what you mean..last night i was shoving a woman into my car so I could rape her and wear her skin as a suit and for a moment i thought ''why am i doing this, why won't some bystander just call the police and end this madness?'' but noone did and I chose to bunghole that poor lady for hours...truly free will is a curse...

>>2456385
Yeah I see no way in redeeming myself. I can only try to choose the wiser path next time.
>>2456386
Youre right.
>>2456390
No.

>>2456390
what law system penalises people for observing crimes?

you should have told him to make amends by turning up as a witness at the police station.

>>2456405
You are an accessory to murder and withholding evidence.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
First 20 mins is like every possible way a witness is implicated.

sure is Steig Larsson in here

The situation is rather abstract, perhaps the woman deserved to be forced into that car. Let us not judge too early.

>>2456405
I could do that but I didnt see the victim/criminals faces clearly enough all I can recall from the incident is hispanic guy, the woman had curly hair and they were in a black car. I suppose all info is good info, just dont know who to call exactly.

>>2456403
That's funny, because I was a woman attempting to implicate a guy in a kidnapping crime... etc. etc.

>>2456411
>implying she's not already dead
snitching isn't going to help anyone at this point.

>>2456409
The woman was weeping for help as the man had a large smile on his face. Im surprised he even did what he did seeing as how he was right next a very busy highway.( west side highway in manhattan)

>>2456406
observing is not accessory to the crime, dumbass. if you withhold evidence, you are an accessory. Thats why I said OP should report the incident. to clear his conscience and help find justice.

OP didn't do anything wrong in not intervening. but he was wrong by not reporting it to the authorities.

>>2456372
>I had the choice of calling the police
what the fuck is "calling the police" supposed to do lol?

Were they white? what were the races involved?

>>2456413
What about the next victim?

>>2456411
nearest station to where it happened.

>>2456411
was the woman a mexican too?

>>2456422
She sounded spanish.

>>2456424
well then who cares? spics gonna be spics.

>>2456424
You are a racist. Not helping a woman because she sounded Spanish.

>>2456416
Nothing is ''wrong'' or ''right'' here, but what OP is facing is that he did not live up to his (and pretty much everyone's) idea of civic duty or even chivalry or heroism, so he is confronted with his own bad faith (or dead faith as faith without works is dead) and has now begun to see that his ability to act is more important than his ability to believe...the existential crisis can be a short one if he only does what he can without having to think ''i did the *right* thing''...so OP, the question is, do you want to create your world where kidnappers get away with it, or do you want to create your world where you help others to stop them from getting away with it? The choice is yours, but there is no right choice. Hell, some /b/tards might actually choose the former and they are no more right or wrong for it.

>>2456420
>assuming every criminal is a potential serial criminal
This is what americans actually believe

>>2456430
they are tho, you fucking idiot. They are an ACTUAL serial criminal and would be better off dead. Luckily america is a free country where you can blow away a filthy nigger/spic criminal

>>2456428
Chivalry was never about helping every woman in the world. In our jewified degenerate age, there is no point in being chivalric or having "civic duty" at all. Because these things work both ways.

I saw this years ago too. family was driving to midnight mass and there was a young woman being chased by a big bald guy in the centre of town. . in her panic she ran partially onto the road and we had to slam on the brakes. . We didn't hit them but she kinda bumped into the bonnet of our car before running off. My parents were so stunned they never stopped or called the police afterwards.

>>2456432
You don't know that they are a serial criminal, you just watch too much fucking television. And you think there's no point in being a hero because you are racist? How does that even work?

>>2456428
Yes, Im on my way to reporting it to the police. Better late than ever.

>>2456438
>You don't know that they are a serial criminal

90%+++ of all crime is done by serial criminals
get a fucking clue

>>2456436
Oh fuck this is why I would be happy to see the world blown up...why wouldn't they have stopped? Eh, I guess we all have lessons to learn, but I bet your parents just laughed about it and opened presents all day.

>>2456439
Hell yeah man.
>>2456443
90% of statistics are made up on the spot by retards.

>>2456445
getting involved is a fucking retarded thing to do in our jewified age.
Enjoy being arrested for assault and battery, she'll take her BF's side too.

>>2456445
yeah mass has a peculiarly distracting quality. The religious see it as relief. I see it as a somewhat dangerous illusion.

intervening would have been stupid but im surprised we didn't stop a little while up the road and phone the station. it was in the town centre so the station was actually only a little while up the road.

>>2456447
Whatever allows you to convince yourself you're not a total pussy. Yeah you're scared to get your ass kicked because of joows...w/e

>>2456447
I dont think it was her boyfriend. There are alot of clubs around that area and he probably picked her up somehow and when she changed her mind he wouldnt let her leave. inb4 hurr durr whore deserved it then

>>2456453
>implying i am a total pussy

enjoy your prison time

enjoy reporting it to the cops as if that will do anything, fucking idiot.

>>2456454
>inb4 hurr durr whore deserved it then
implying she doesn't? Don't be a filthy whore if you don't want to get raped, etc.

>>2456451
For sure, even if we don't do what we feel is right we should at least admit that we didn't do it and reflect to change ourselves for the better.

>>2456456
You are a pussy for being afraid to do what is heroic just because you might go to prison. And you assume the police won't do anything but that's just exaggerating the difficulty of a task to justify not trying. You are a coward, and I see you shitposting nazi stuff all over /lit/..it is a shame, because Nationalism can be truly heroic but it's too bad it's nothing but a bunch of pussies nowadays.

>>2456456
Because having sex is wrong.

>>2456465
The woman goes and gets herself into a bad situation through her own decisions, it's not "heroic" to help her.

It's not "heroic" to fucking call the cops afterwards.

>>2456472
Regardless if the decision was wrong how is not helping any better? If anything it would teach her to be a bit more careful, allowing her to be raped in possibly killed does nothing positive.

>>2456481
First of all: if she's going to a club and getting drunk and going home with strange men, then it's not really rape.

Secondly, why do you think i wouldn't do anything?

OP, It was a long time ago but I experienced this existential crisis. I was working hard, fulfilled in my humble existence. I didn't need much, I didn't want for much. I like to think I had achieved some form of eudaimonia. Then my chains were broken, I was free and I was discontented. I feel I need more and I want more. The latest phone, more money, a better job, all linked. Yet, really, all I need is to be embraced, once again, by the cold chains which brought me comfort; freedom is slavery.

>>2456472
Actually it is heroic to help her, you faggot. You would stop a woman who is too weak to defend herself from getting raped or hurt or murdered and you would be doing it because you are strong enough to do it. Meanwhile your pussy ass is slinking away mumbling something about beaches and shores...god you are such a coward! And going to the police afterwards may not be heroic, but it is certainly better than nothing. You are taking the side of a degenerate criminal, by allowing him to do what he does. I hope you are a troll, I hope there aren't cowardly scum bags like you in the world. Who am i kidding? Of course there are.

>>2456488
>it's not really rape
Is this how you justify date rape?

Your honor, this was no rape, the woman was in a club and drinking.

>>2456488
depends how drunk she is.

>>2456488
Because of all your previous posts.
It is rape if she decided on the way to the mans car that she does not want to actually fuck him.

>>2456405
France have a "samaritan law".

>>2456496
that doesnt punish those who don't assist. it only ensures you won't get heavily punished if you intervene and brake a guys nose or something.

>>2456489
Are you saying you were enslaved at first and then once you found "freedom" that it was not what you intended it to be?

>>2456490
If she made promises and then decided to go back on it, it ain't fucking "heroic" to protect her.

>god you are such a coward!

Like i said, it works both ways you faggot, the women want to replace the man with the state/government yet still be able to call upon any man to protect her? Utter nonsense, it doesn't work that way.

>You are taking the side of a degenerate criminal
Not at all, i was saying we should kill a criminal rather then let the police and courts decide what is "justice".
But community participation works both ways, the woman goes off and fucks around, does whatever she wants, bears no children etc, how then does she think that anyone would step in to defend her?

>>2456492
If someone's been drinking it is, essentially, rape. They can no longer give informed consent.

>>2456511
THIS IS WHAT WOMEN ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>2456501
I thought it meant you were bound by law to help. Certainly in the case of an unconscious person or whatnot. May be wrong though, I only heard of it in passing.

>>2456515
No, it's the law. It doesn't work as a concept, because it can be so easily abused, but it exists.

>>2456508
You dont make promises to people you meet for a casual hook up.If she decided she didnt want to, she has every right to turn away.
Also when did bearing children determine your worth in society? Perhaps in the past but not anymore. There are various other ways of contributing to society, such as having a job.

>>2456511

Why is it that the law holds drunk people responsible for their decisions in all other areas of life, but not where sex is concerned? What's the special distinction?

>>2456522
Sex is super serious business. Go fuck a drunk girl, while completely sober, see how the court feel once she opens the ducts.

>>2456522

For example - if I get drunk and get myself a tattoo, I can't sue the tattoo parlor for "taking advantage." Likewise, if I get drunk and I gamble away all of my money, I can't get the police to arrest someone and force them to give me my money back because I wasn't capable of consenting to gamble.

>>2456508
So you're saying, until there is no such thing as police, you are going to refrain from ever helping a woman because ''they want to replace the man with the state''..and you go on to say that it isn't heroic to stop a woman being raped if the woman deserved to be raped because of her unwise actions...you fucking imbecile, rape is an ugly thing regardless of it could have been avoided by someone if they had acted more responsibly..and that's what you're all about, avoiding shit..you fault the woman for not being a total coward because she chose to risk drinking and being in public..sure it may have contributed to the situation (even though you don't know if it did) but that still doesn't matter, you talk a big game like ''hurrdurr we should kill the criminal not turn him in to the police'' but you would never even tap that guy on the shoulder...no instead you sit her and attempt to rationalize why you are such a fearful little kitten in a world of wolves and the only person you're convincing that you aren't a pussy is yourself...

>>2456521
>You dont make promises to people you meet for a casual hook up.
When you leave to go home with them, you are effectively making promises.
Why would i ever defend a whore who did shit like that?

>Also when did bearing children determine your worth in society?
Since a society can't possibly survive without a new generation?

>Perhaps in the past but not anymore.
It's still the same way, despite the fact that hedonist liberals like to pretend otherwise.
Also having a job doesn't 'contribute' to society, idiot. I don't know how anyone could think that, but that's the excuse for shitskin immigration. Since they have jobs they must be good for society... what garbage.

>>2456525
Indeed, why would a man be "heroic" when all the courts and laws are stacked against him?

OP, read The Fall by Camus. Never has any novel been any more appropriate for any situation.

>>2456522
it doesn't the law recognizes that a contract is void if entered into when sufficiently intoxicated. Moreover it is a lesser charge to hit someone with your car while sufficiently drunk than sober, though still quite serious.

>>2456526
If you get drunk and some random dude holds you down with his tattoo gun and gives you a tattoo you really can get them charged with something you idiot. Likewise if you get drunk, go to a tattoo shop and tell them ''hey i don't want this anymore'' and they hold you down and do it anyway, they will still be in trouble. If you get drunk and pass out in the tattoo shop chair and he keeps doing it I am pretty sure it will be less trouble but that guy is an asshole for doing it.

>>2456527
Are you a woman? Do you not understand what i have said? The woman wants to play her games with men, and then gets surprised when men don't want to play ball.
When you tear down traditional society, how can you expect men to still behave as if they were in a traditional society?


>>2456532
>Moreover it is a lesser charge to hit someone with your car while sufficiently drunk than sober
nonsense. Unless you are a mexican or a negro, then you get off scotfree for murdering someone while being illegally here, drunk, and having no drivers license.

>>2456534

You're supposing that the drunk girl is being forcibly given her dicking, not that she's doing it willingly. Of course it would be rape if she were being physically forced. That's the fucking definition of rape.

But according to the law, even if she's completely 100% willing during the act, it's still considered rape due to her inebriation - and nothing more.

>>2456372
The fuck is wrong with you? This girl is probably lying in a ditch some where dead, raped, and you were either too busy being a fucking faggot and thinking about philosophy or too scared to call the fucking police.

I don't know what's worse, the fact that you are a coward or just a fucking psycho who is getting off on the fact you could have helped her and chose not to, or the fact you are a KS fag.

>>2456537
Damn those illegal negros, sneaking into the cargo holds of slave ships just to take our cotton picking jobs.

>>2456540
>a woman was screaming for help
>willing

>>2456537
I expect you to practice what you fucking preach. You think, oh if only someone will come along and restore traditional society then everyone, including myself will act right...this is just one more faggot move to avoid your responsibility as an individual...who gives a fuck what kind of society it is, it is up to *you* not to be a pussy..if you see a woman getting raped imagine if it was your own sister or your mother or you would not care if she were getting wasted, you would just fucking do what you could to stop it from happening. You want traditional society to come back? Then stop being such a pussy and actually make the idea of ''masculinity'' and ''manliness'' mean something...by doing something not just talking about it. pussy, bitch, wimp, etc. btw I am not a woman and I have actually stopped a woman from being dragged into a van..I ended up getting beat up and had to go through a lot of shit with the police but in the end I was neither rewarded nor punished for my efforts..but because i battled those guys the zombies walking all around this shit while it went down woke up and the trafickers ran off...

>>2456528
No contract made that cannot be overturned. I dont see why changing ones mind is not allowed. Its as if youre trying to justify rape.
>Since a society can't possibly survive without a new generation?
When she is willing and ready she will settle down.
And please explain how having a job doesnt contribute to society because that is just...lol.

>>2456540
I don't know about that law, bro. I don't think her being drunk means it is rape..i'm pretty sure she has to claim she was raped and then it is investigated like any other crime..usually by checking the vaginal walls for tearing, other signs of struggle, etc...it's not like you hear on /b/ which is full of butthurt pedos and rapists claiming they were treated to injustice.

>>2456557
If anything the number of rape convictions are tiny compared to what they should be. In court you find that the defense often has months of preperation, while the prosecution attorney/barrister gets the case that morning or the night before. There's also how the victims are treated in the courtroom. It's pretty ridiculous.

>>2456544
I think I was just in shock that it was actually happening. I really have no justification, I dont know. Also KS is good.

>>2456561
yeah not to mention that many rapes go unreported or the victim doesn't press charges because of the stigma placed on victims of rape as ''deserving it'' or ''ruined''..

>>2456564
I don't know what makes me more sick, the fact you are so weak you couldn't pick up a fucking phone, or the fact you are so pleb you think KS is good.

>>2456578
Man he isn't weak because he is actually confronting his actions and admitting that he was free to chose..but as far as KS goes I have no idea I don't even know what that is.

>>2456545
They were purchased as slaves in africa, and given a better life in the new world.

>>2456566
>>2456561
And this is all based 100% on facts and not just conjecture or regurgitation of bullshit you've heard around the way?

Yes, I'm sure all of these victims of unreported rape are just rushing to e-surveys to report that they didn't report their rape.

>>2456589

"Shout out to the slave masters! Without them we'd still be in Africa. We wouldn't be here to get this ice and tattoos."
-Soulja Boy Tell 'Em

>>2456372
What, do you want sympathy?

You're coming to us for sympathy because you couldn't be assed to be a decent fucking person?

>>2456595
Um yes, it is more likely that they would tell about their rape in an anonymous forum or somewhere their identity would be protected unlike in open court you idiot..

>>2456589
So how does that make them illegals?

>>2456580
Its the first vn ive played so I cant really compare or judge, I enjoyed it though.

>>2456604
Not at all. I wanted it to be an open discussion on choice,etc. I know I was wrong and sympathy does nothing.

>>2456605
Uh huh. And we all know that anonymous internet posting is totally reliable and falsifiable. So much so that we should even cite that information as if it were legitimate.

Gotta love humanities majors.

>>2456489
Obv bullshit but is there any actual reports of this from freed slaves?

This happened to me op, though it was just a tussling argument, and the guy was dragging her along the pavement. I slowed down my car to check on the woman, and she said she was fine. Really? Yeah.

Some bitches like the drama and provoke guys for kicks.

>>2456624
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/voices/vfssp.html

>>2456618
Well anonymous forums are just one example. They would also be likely to respond to other anonymous surveys, or to tell their doctors. Their would also be a discrepancy between the numbers of rapes who are admitted into hospitals and the numbers of police reports for rapes filed. And between the number of police reports and the number of cases brought to trial. Lots of quantifiable evidence to illustrate that woman are often shamed or intimidated into not reporting the crime. Are you all done trying to justify rape now?

Why would you feel guilty about a lack of empathy? It's hardly your fault you didn't feel any for this woman.

>>2456616
It still reads as if you're trying to express the difficulty of your own station in life when you're milling about the internet, safe in your being and belongings. Naturally, this doesn't sit well with me.

On top of all that, your image made me think- what if it was a vn or videogame? You'd probably make the right choice, wouldn't you?

>>2456634
>implying empathy is the only reason to intervene when someone is in trouble
>implying your autism is not a disability

>>2456639
Name one could reason for OP to intervene which hasn't to do with empathy or morality.

>>2456639
personal attacks. classy. op is the moron with a problem here, i was just questioning his guilt.

>>2456644
To exercise and exhibit his strength..because he was bored..for a challenge, for adventure...to exhibit virtue (virtue is *not* a synonym for morality) etc.

>>2456624
In the short run, things did get worse for freed slaves. Slaves being the expensive investments they were, the owners would at least do the absolute minimum to keep them alive/functional for as long as possible. Hiring them as labor, owners fucked them out of their wages and had them do more dangerous jobs.

>>2456654
context. he feels guilty for not doing so.

>>2456651
hey, questioning the validity of empathy fits the classic definition of autism or perhaps sociopathy either way, if the shoe fits...

>>2456663
the validity of having empathy wasn't questioned, maybe you should learn to read.

>>2456655
True. Some slaves even straight up opposed the abolitionist movement.

>>2456638
I just needed to have it expressed and heard, but I wasnt looking for any sympathy.

As far as the videogame/vn goes, it is trivial and you can always turn back therefore losing a life doesnt mean much nor is making the wrong choice. Sometimes you might feel a bit ruthless ( GTA) and decide to be the devils advocate so it isnt the best of examples.

>>2456669
lol they were the tea party of their day

>>2456654
Fair enough. In the same way there can be plenty of reasons to choose to let some random bitch suffer though.

>>2456684
>mfw a brainwashed liberal posts near me

>>2456685
Very, very true and I enjoy having my values and virtues without having to assume that they are the only ones.
>>2456686
>mfw you have no face
>mfw you probably don't know what mfw stands for
also, brainwashed liberal? How do you figure?

>>2456686
Yo, are you one of those people who listens to limbaugh and believes that fox news has anything of value to say?

> mfw this thread

>>2456693
fox news is better then the leftist liars everywhere else

You seriously think we are "enslaved" to the corporations or something?

>>2456712
Try harder.

The fuck happened to this thread?

Why are you all sniping at each other like a bunch of bitchy man-children?

WE ARE GENTLEMEN AND SCHOLARS, AND TREAT ALL LADYFOLK AS SUCH. WE WILL NEVER HAVE TO PONDER THE TECHNICALITIES OF RAPE, AS ALL WOMEN WE ASSOCIATE WITH WILL BE OF IMPECCABLE MORAL FIBRE.

As a sidenote, OP, were you the only witness to what happened?

>>2456712
Fox news has been more demonstrably biased than any other media corporation I've seen.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies

And saying that we're enslaved to corporations is excessive, but I do believe that a livable wage would benefit us both socially and economically. Liquidity trap, bro.

>>2456725
>Liquidity trap, bro.
doesn't exist

Bias doesn't make them incorrect.

And what the shit is a "livable" wage supposed to even mean?

>>2456721
>Why are you all sniping at each other like a bunch of bitchy man-children?

You must be new. Welcome to /lit/.

Main export: angst!

>>2456728
If bias doesn't make a news source incorrect, why do you attack perceived liberal bias?

>>2456748
bias doesn't INHERENTLY make it incorrect.

It's them being LEFTISTS which make them lying traitor.

>>2456750
You don't think it means something when a news source uses every method available to distort the truth?

>>2456750
And you seem to assert that a biased conservative view trumps an unbiased liberal one.

>>2456758
what? In case you didn't look at your own link, it's mostly leftists whining about them.

>>2456759
You're really boring, everyone-who-disagrees-with-me-is-leftist guy. You're a one-note guy. It's tedious as hell.

>>2456759
And the ones that aren't? How about those photoshopped images or collaged videos?

>>2456766
And honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the other side every so often, but it's goddamn difficult to take it seriously when the few media outlets available are a fucking circus.

>>2456785
Then perhaps you need to look for other sources beyond the jew owned corporate media

>>2456750

>It's them being LEFTISTS which make them lying traitor


WTF are you doing on this board GTFO

>>2456580
So you are telling me he isn't weak because, after the fact, he realized "Man, I should probably have called the cops when I saw that woman being dragged away to be raped earlier".

Eat shit.

>>2456832
i don't know man, he's better than people who just say ''i was right for not doing shit''

>>2456835
Yeah, But not by a lot.

>>2456888
yeah true

>>2456893
Indeed.

>>2456895
verily

>>2456904
quite

>>2456907
True.

>>2456909
indubitably

>>2456912
Undoubtedly.

autism

>>2456913
for realsies

>>2456918
Damn straight.

>>2456920
no foolin'

>>2456909
Truth itself speaks truly or there's nothing true.

I think this is how all /lit/ threads should end from now on.

>>2456939
NO I disagree

>>2456951
Define 'disagree'

>>2457009
Define "define".

>>2456721
West side highway in manhattan around tribeca/chelsea area which is generally a really well off area of manhattan.

Lit needs to understand Equal Sex

>Is it rape?
It is rape if the woman ever says "no"
It is rape if the woman is too intoxicated to say no
It is rape if there is abuse of any kind
If its a gangbang then it is rape unless there are equal numbers of men and women
Homosex is rape unless it is two women
>why
Because homosex relys on anal penetration
Which is rape or leads to rape
If both partners do not orgasm then it is rape
Porn is rape
Pain = rape
And so on