/lit/ - Literature

>>23808413
Saved

>>23808440
Sorry I don’t have anything

>>23808413
Anyone have the one with the anon being prisoner to his old esoteric nazi dingbat neighbor?

>>23808492
Are you sure you’re not confusing Kant with Voltaire?

>>23808492
Hard to believe that the Konigsberg clock would employ a servant who wouldn't serve coffee before the caffeine hit wore off.

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>>23808413
Does anyone have the greentext on JS Mill and how his philosophy was a super "English" attempt?

>>23809047
>Now it is our turn…
>…approach the subject cautiously.

Yeah nah, determine gasses, kill selves! FUCKEN RIDE MUNT

>>23809057
4 and 11 are really good jarring hyperbole.

>>23809061
Nome is an anti-humanist post-structuralist masterpiece (note gender). FUCK YOU. NOMES DIE, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR, BUT THE NOME EXPLORATION ATTEMPT LIVES ON.

>>23808549
This gets better every time I read it.

>>23809031
I don't get it.

>>23809076
Deservedly.

>>23809115
Of course you wouldn't

>>23809115
It is non-theoretical right wing pap. Theory has a set of requirements around comprehensibility and demonstrative potential these texts don't meet.

>>23809141
Theory of what?

>>23808413

>>23809166
From implication by the texts, literary or textual criticism.

>>23809168
So nonsense bullshit that doesn't matter? Got it.

>>23809166
Commie shit.

>>23809188
What then constitutes "theory" that is worthy of engagement? Books about sexual boy fulfilment and various genre novels don't constitute it.

>>23809057
6 made me laugh

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>>23809196
Read it.

>>23809200
>admitted she felt sorry for me
What a bitch.

>>23809213
Not applicable to texts. I thought you'd be in enough to recommend Ranke versus Hayden White. Your problem >>>/sci/engineers_looking_to_be_topped

Anybody have the husserl scholar greentext

>>23809200
>In 2008 I had a brief sexual affair with a student girl who spent a month here as part of her training to become a library.

>>23809229
You asked for texts that constitute "theory", and I gave you one. If you're referring to Critical Theory, I'm not a zealot, sorry.

>>23809252
Theory is domain specific, your bullshit belongs with the homosexual engineers of >>>/sci/. As I previously cited real humanities theory is Ranke tearing Hayden White's arsehole inside out and fucking it with itself, 175 years before White published.

>>23809064
Imagine the cosmic horrors he would have written if he had seen modern india video footage.

>>23809057
9 is clever

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>>23809200
>garrote me
idk why but i burst out laughing here

>>23809057
most of these are just stokoe

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>>23809231
I got it.

Requesting
>galloping abs

>>23808492
Balzac also like this right? Addicted to coffee? What's with writer back then and coffee?

>>23809332
Imagine him seeing jeet AI render

>>23809427
>I only play Pharaoh

>>23809057
None of those were written by separate authors, amusing nonetheless.

>>23808549
Goddamn, it was 4 years ago? I was in that thread

>>23809064
trvthnvke

Any kind soul have the LotR "elephant skin" posts?

>>23809449
I think he should do Gomorrah and Edom next. Sade would be proud nonetheless.

>>23809828
>no I havent, what is that about?
C? Just bee yourself, its all that matters

>>23809076
this is actually how books used to be shelved

>>23809427
Missing the best part about Pharoah. I found that game at a thrift store a few years ago and bought it because of him, but haven't played it yet

>>23809080
Lol

>>23809901
Yes, but they had shelfmarks and tags to make them easy to identify

>>23809057
this is how the majority of you write

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>>23808492
post the tent one

>>23808492
Man, what would these men have said if they had been told that they'd end up in a cambodian basket weaving forum as funny maymays?

>>23809828
Kek

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>>23809057
4, 6, 9, 10 and 11 are unironically good, fuck what anyone says.

>>23809200
Completely true.

>>23809503
Please explain the joke. What does Husserl have to do with a game.

>>23811196
I'll take things that never happened for 10 points

>>23811392
There's indeed a feminist class in literature degree for some reason

>>23809864
that's how you give the ick to lit whores. you always have to be 9 steps ahead if you wanna keep up.

>>23809427
>xitterpostof3chinzpost
pottery

>>23811356
I think an anon replied to husserl anon asking if he wanted to play videogames, and he autistically replied something like “I only play Pharaoh (1999)” to the hilarity of everyone

>>23809486
Coffee is a codeword for quick release adderall, the use of which was commonplace, but somewhat taboo since Captain Cook brought the seeds to Europe from Tahiti.

>>23811441
I am the one who posted the Husserl text hence the confusion.
Btw is it true that Husserl was never fully translated?

>>23809269
>theory is domain specific
Exactly, dipshit, which is why when you said "Theory" without context of WHAT THEORY, I made a mockery of your stupid fucking braindead posts.

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>>23811725
LMAO

>>23809828
I prefer György Dalos. 1985: A historical report (Hongkong 2036) from the Hungarian of ***.

>>23811253
"Lesbians could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this bedroom before. There could be lesbians anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his waistcoated chest. "I HATE LESBIANS" he thought. Ave Maria reverberated his entire cranium, making it pulsate even as the £-/1s/6d wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of sapphistry after dark. "With a sword, you can murder any women you want" he said to himself, out loud.

>>23811260
>mastutbates to niggerfeet
Eww.

>>23809057
2 is the best

>>23811725
kekd

>>23809057
9 is genius

>>23809057
If Joyce wrote 8 all of you would call it a genius quote

>>23809486
>back then
Most people are shameless coffee addicts now. "teehee don't speak to me before my first coffee" etc.

>>23811196
and then everyone clapped

>>23809077
>>23809047
I have a PhD in computational chemistry so my statistical mechanics background is greater than like 99% of the population.

The reason you will become suicidal after studying the subject is that you’re forced to admit that there is no realizable difference between completely random chance and perfectly ordered, deterministic behavior in microscopic systems and it WILL call everything you’ve ever held to be true regarding existence into question.

Unlike some gay philosophical arguments against free will and determinism, stat mech has actual math backing up the fact that microscopic systems are too complicated to treat deterministically AND the math still agrees with macroscopic physics if you treat them as perfectly stochastic systems.


It’s super cool but I got very very depressed.

>>23813432
Why would this call existence into question for me? Maybe you should base your emotional stability on something else anon.

>>23813439
> Why would this call existence into question for me?

It’ll call existence into question when you’re miserable and stressed from grad school, COVID happens and you’re locked inside with no change of your deadlines because “you can just work remotely”, and then you’re trapped staring at the proof for Hartree-Fock theory or some other faggot ass way to explain electron correlation and then your faith that “it matters” will wear off when you realize that you’re literally being forced to do this bullshit for a piece of paper purely because of the evolution of thermodynamic systems made up of randomly moving particles.

TLDR it’s mathematical/physical evidence of meaninglessness

>>23813449
Sounds more like you were just looking for meaning in the wrong place. Listen to your unconscious anon.

>>23813482
My meaning rn is in some weird hybrid of Epicureanism, Absurdism, and Buddhism.

Buddha’s explanation of the illusion of beauty in nature to rationalize how terrible existence is.

Absurdism to recognize that that’s just how the human mind works in this terrible universe, and even Buddha was coping by pursuing Nirvana.

Epicureanism to have something to do in the meantime that gives me some joy. I take care of my houseplants and tell my coworkers jokes, sometimes I’ll bring in donuts and coffee for the office. Normie shit to have a nice day since I had to spend years alone in isolation studying that worthless bullshit.

>>23813492
Genuine question, how often do you listen to your feelings/dreams/fantasies and do what they tell you to?
Because what you're saying is reminding me an awful lot of the rationalising I used to do during my depression phase.
I eventually found that any amount of thinking I had it figured all out and that existence/myself/anything else is fundamentally wrong or whatever was just a cope that kept me shut in a mental box and not explorative. You might find the same. Consider reading pic related, a bit of an old book now but its practical advice is still rock solid.

>>23813514
I don’t really act on dreams per say, I’m coming off of a very bad time at the end of grad school so financially I’m still hurting and kind of have been cucked out of a big career in research so I’m limited in what I can do.

I did travel to a new city for a week and crashed on some 4channers’ couch more or less all on a whim, did a lot of exploring and went to museums and fancy restaurants. I think I haven’t fully boxed myself in from enjoying the world; I just don’t feel like throwing myself away in the pursuit of some grand goal that’ll only be realized in 20 years because I genuinely don’t expect to be alive at almost 50.

I’ll check out that book today when I have a chance

>>23813523
Yeah that's some real burnout alright. No shame in needing to recover from it. Take care out there mate, you'll pull through and be stronger because of it.

>>23811356
The funneh lies in how the video game exchange is an abridgment for the preceding pasta. For all of his conscious life the Husserl has been autisitcally focused on Husserl - an old topic that absolutely nobody in the US cares about or will engage him on. Another anon offers Husserlanon to play some Counter Strike together. Husserlanon responds that he autisitcally only plays Pharaoh (1999) - an old game that absolutely nobody in the US cares about or will engage him on.

His Husserl career is exactly like him playing an old autistic management game that nobody else plays.

>>23813432
>The reason you will become suicidal after studying the subject is that you’re forced to admit that there is no realizable difference between completely random chance and perfectly ordered, deterministic behavior in microscopic systems

I have absolutely zero background in statistical mechanics and I knew this. That knowledge never made me suicidal. I don't see why it would.

I think people put too much stock into questioning the nature of existence for their own personal well being. Why anyone cares if the universe has meaning or if free will exists I will never understand. It doesn't change anything. Life is what it is regardless. We still feel joy and suffering, we still live and die, and different actions lead to different results. So just live your life the best that you can.

>>23813750
>I have absolutely zero background in statistical mechanics and I knew this. That knowledge never made me suicidal. I don't see why it would.

Are you a scientist? I think it’s different since I was never confronted with what feels like irrefutable evidence that the seemingly ordered world around us is just time averaged by our senses from a microscopic world of chaos with literal RNG built into its smallest bits.

Personally, I don’t think I ever really challenged my own beliefs well enough prior to being taught stat thermo. It’s very very disconcerting when you see that all the math, much of which predates the discovery of the atom, implies that actual randomness (entropy) is a fundamental thermodynamic property and that entropy is literally just a function of the number of the countable states of a system. Idk, the profundities are just different when you’re a dumbass in your first semester who really did not understand thermodynamics at all being taught, almost from first principles, how the fact that atoms exist leads to this almost infinitely complex thermodynamic landscape that we can never fully enumerate, and that landscape just appears to be our mundane world.

Idk, I feel like after I learned this stuff, I’ve never been able to look at anything without realizing that it’s actually a collection of atoms moving stochastically. Books, cups of water, people. It’s one thing to think you know those things, it’s another when you have actually seen the physics that predicted that world (Einstein predicted the atom through a statistical mechanical explanation of Brownian motion in 1905; it was used to prove the atom’s existence in 1906. Prior to then, there was always some doubt in the physical sciences as to whether or not atoms were just a convenient approximation.)

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>>23809231
This anon actually made it in the end

>>23813929
I'm not a scientist, I have an interest in science and pursue scientific knowledge for fun, but I've always know that atoms and particles move around randomly. Honestly I'm pretty sure I was taught that in secondary school. I thought that was common knowledge.

If anything I find it more interesting that order can and does appear from entropy. And that happens at every level of the universe. How simple and random behaviours and interactions can lead to complex emergent ordered patterns is just interesting to me, and while it does have implications for the meaning of existence, I just personally don't care about that. Although you could easily argue that the fact that everything we see appears from what is essentially pure chance is pretty phenomenal and could be seen as proof that there is something more going on after all. I used to really want to know what it was all for, what the point of it all is, but over the years I realised what an absolutely pointless endeavour that is for any purpose other than curiosity and intellectual exercise. For two reasons, one is that we'll never really know what meaning there is in the universe, if there even is any, and also because regardless of what the answer is it doesn't really change anything about our lives or how we should live it.

If the universe is meaningless and doesn't care about us, so what? We care about us. Isn't that enough? I don't know about you, but I think suffering sucks, I don't think that's a niche opinion either. That's all that really matters. We feel pain, we feel joy, so let's live our lives so more people feel less pain and more joy. That's all we can do. No matter what the truth of the universe is, that's still the case.

>>23813968
> Honestly I'm pretty sure I was taught that in secondary school. I thought that was common knowledge.

Yeah see, you’re not seeing the actual numbers that explain it. Just conceptualizing that atoms move randomly is not the same as seeing axiomatically that a thermodynamic system that ergodically samples all of the accessible microstates while weakly coupled to heat reservoir converges to a thermodynamic equilibrium. This is like you opened the hood of a car and watched the belts spin, but I’m a mechanical engineer and I see it for what it really is.

> If anything I find it more interesting that order can and does appear from entropy. And that happens at every level of the universe.
While sure you have renormalization theory to help mathematically explain that phenomenon, the appearance of ordered behavior is ultimately a result of our senses operating at a finite speed and averaging all stimuli out over chunks of time. It’s more like a consequence that we can’t see any part of the universe in its entirety and are thus unable to perceive the underlying disorder present across all scales.

>>23813998
If the basis of your suicidal thoughts is that things are random at the lowest level, then why does the maths behind it matter? I can take it as a fact that atoms and particles move randomly, and still reach the same conclusion. To follow up on your analogy, I don't need to know the specifics of how an engine works to know it works.

The difference is, I don't care about that conclusion. If I said it made me suicidal too, would you be less dismissive?

>>23809061
Bane?

>>23810963
I would take a gamble with existentialists.

>>23813750
>I think people put too much stock into questioning the nature of existence for their own personal well being. Why anyone cares if the universe has meaning or if free will exists I will never understand. It doesn't change anything. Life is what it is regardless. We still feel joy and suffering, we still live and die, and different actions lead to different results. So just live your life the best that you can.
Wow, what a genius you must be, anon! Its definitely not a drunk freshman white girl philosophy you're pedalling!!

>>23814100
You can still cry into your pillow because Nietzsche said God is dead and the universe is meaningless anon. I won't stop you. I just don't see the point beyond intellectual curiosity.

I didn't say philosophy is pointless btw, I said I don't understand why people get so caught up in these questions where the answers ultimately don't really effect anything. The meaning of the universe is fundamentally irrelevant to our actual lives.

>>23814047
Not really, no. My suicidal thoughts came from external and internal problems, but the associated hopelessness came from a genuine sense of the meaningless of life and the illusion of order. Like this stuff applies to your brain too. Every choice the result of random fluctuations in your brain.

And your understanding of my analogy is flawed. You don’t perceive every tiny bit of the system. Ironically, this applies to both the analogy and the literal analogy. My perspective is radically different from yours because I had to learn to explain the physics instead of just glossing over the conclusion. It’s like autistic detail vs a normie perspective.

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>>23813449
>Unlike some gay philosophical arguments against free will and determinism, [gay philosophical arguments against free will and determinism]

>>23813945
That's good.

That's good.

>>23813929
This problem isn't an issue if you have integrity

>>23809200
all that shit about his erudition and he can't even write

>>23814152
But the point is that why do you CARE so much that everything is random anyway? There is clearly some form of order emerging from the chaos, because here we are on a Mongolian basket weaving discussing the meaninglessness of existence. Order is emergence. Whether that's an illusion or not. That's still reality as we percieve it. Ultimately that fact has no real bearing on how we live our day to day lives.

You can tell me this is random or that is random, and I will agree because it's true to a certain extent. The end result is the same regardless, it doesn't matter when thinking about how to live your life. You're too caught up in the minutiae to see the wood for the trees here. That's why my follow up to your analogy still works. I understood what you were saying, I'd have to be a fucking retard not to, now you're just being condescending because I don't agree with your conclusion that atoms bouncing around randomly has any effect on whether I should have a shower in the morning. I stink, therefore I am.

>>23809413
That was a good thread

>>23813945
God bless, but somehow-- I have an eerie hunch-- I cannot but think that he is not done with misery

>>23809352
>least butthurt eurocuck

>>23814886
Of course he's not done, he's still alive.

>>23809237
She must have been huge. That poster is a certified plapper.

>>23808549
Certified /lit/ classic

>>23809057
4. is so fire

>>23809057
Is anybody gullible enough this shit wasn't just written by the same guy who definitely isn't a high school student?

>>23815182
No. But suspension of disbelief is the soul of fun; we must act as if.

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>>23811196
>whine flavored vomit

>>23809828
When I was an 18y/o pseud I told a girl I loved philosophy (I had only read some Marxist stuff and mandatory historiography for my degree) and she said "wow anon that's so cool, I'm doing an honours philosophy degree specializing in Wittgenstein! Which is your favourite school of philosophical thought??" and I never responded to her and deleted our tinder convo in shame lmao.

Anyone got that niggerwalk meme where some fantasy writer meets a woman, whose son is fan of his books, calls it children literature, ending with real screenshot of blogpost about said subject?

>>23808549
>hour long deconstructions of five minute Sam Harris clips

>>23809061
you're a big guy

>>23813945
man I hope this is real but the part about his fiancee leaving him for a Proust scholar makes me doubt it

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>>23813945
I want to read Husserlanon's biography of Husserl now. Are you still posting Husserlanon? Please share it.

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>>23813432
What is there to be depressed about? If statistical mechanics rules out determinism I find that more encouraging if anything. It means the future is not fixed and can be changed. If it means everything is chaos, even that is contravened by physics. Entropy can be locally reduced at least temporarily.

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>>23813370
Umad?

>>23815609
/lit/'s darkest hour
>>23815616
/lit/'s finest hour

>>23809493
>Turd Emperor of Pookind

>>23813492
Just become Christian faggot

>>23813432
>It’s super cool but I got very very depressed.
Yeah, for me it was Buddhism; 20th century mass killing studies; and the use of Academic disciplines to service the state.

>>23813432
I have a PhD in genetics (dissertation on animal population genetics specifically), which also involved a shitton of statistics and a quantity of statistical mechanics, and it never gave me any sort of existential dread, though I've heard of such things (and their opposites) from my peers.

The entire discourse on determinism, free will, probability in the human fate, qualia etc just gives me a semi-Wittgenstein. It's all bleeps and bloops which are all ultimmately tautological.

>- Muh hard math behind probabilities! (this one probably is in biochem)
>- But muh reproducible behavioral determinism! (this one loves evopsych)
>- But muh free will (this one does some esotheric-ass pure math for some reason)!
Niggas the fuck do you mean by "free will", or "determinism", or "probability"?

Far down enough, all these people believed (not knew, but believed) in exactly the same things, which ultimately didn't actualy mean anything at all, but were dressed by terminology into various vibes. That's literally what it was to me - people picking their preferred metaphysical vibe set. Yes, it did make me feel like a very smart and so-so-so-much-above it super special boy with delicfiously scented farts, thanks for asking.

What you described feels more tied to your grad school burnout, which is some real shit.

>>23815294
What's weird about this is that half of those are actually good books. Does the middle aged overweight woman who made this display think hating on 4chan is a reasonable excuse to turn people away from good books?

>>23816789
Anon, I...

>>23816792
What?

>>23816754
>Niggas the fuck do you mean by "free will"
Voluntary choice or decision
We absolutely do not believe in exactly the same things. Determinists do not believe voluntary action exists.

>>23816806
Both voluntary action and predetermined action are reduceabler to either meaningless signifiers that cannot be in any ways tied to a meaningful experience, or to aesthetic descriptors = vibes.

>>23816824
Okay, reduce it. Give it a go.

>>23816827
Voluntary action is a free action, which is an action characterized by intentionality on part of the one taking action. Intention being something that possesses directedness in the consciousness. Consciousness is a freebie to me due to the whole qualia shitshow, so let's go with directedness. Something with an aimed focus - meaning concentrated on a purpose. Purpose is a container of meaning, which the voluntary action is endowed with.

So voluntary action ultimately means "meaningful action". Bloopity-blopaty-bloop. Bloopty toopti toop.

>>23816834
Which is what I felt every side's true and final position was "I think that things happen FOR A REASON, while THEY think that things happens for NO REASON AT ALL, THE IDIOTS". And they all dress their "for a reason" in different aesthetics to vibe with it.

>>23816834
>ntention being something that possesses directedness in the consciousness
Whoa whoa whoa, found the bad link. You can just as readily say intention being something that possesses directedness in the processes of the brain.

You've intentionally used a metaphysical word to obfuscate the material reality.

>>23816836
Nope. The free will side (the materialist vector, not the metaphysical vector) does not think this. There doesn't need to be a reason for humans to express free will. Meaningful as an unqualified qualifier is pure sophistry and I won't be having it.

>>23816838
Muh hard problem, muh non-quantifiability, muh gap.

And then again, describing intention as someething that possesses directedness in the processes of the brain does nothing to solve the issue of the concept of directedness - unless we also define it as something that has aimed focus in the processes of the brain, itself being concentrated in the brain process of the purtpose as it is in brain process, with purpose being a particular brain process.

Which would make voluntary action a brain process characterized by pracin processes, while involuntary action is a brian process characterized by brain processes. Very much based, cerebralpilled, neurokeyed and stimulusmaxxed.

>>23816840
Ah, yeah, we just flip a sign and make voluntary action into "a meaningless action", while involuntary action is "a meaningless action". Now that's one real step forward.

>Meaningful as an unqualified qualifier is pure sophistry and I won't be having it.
Feel free to keep going up and down the dictionary if you want, it's a long-ass way to the Absolute or Unmoved Mover or whatever metaphysical perpetuum mobile we're using to ground ourselved today.

>>23816844
>does nothing to solve the issue of the concept of directedness
Considering we can literally measure the processes of the brain, yes it does...

It's really quite simple. Voluntary action is a function of the frontal lobe.

>>23816852
Is an action of the frontal lobe a voluntary one tho?

>>23816851
>we just
No you, because you're hung up on a word that you have not qualified contextually. Meaningfulness doens't mean anything.

>to ground ourselves
People like you who MUST have a distilled reason should just stick to religion. You've utterly fucked the sciences and philosophies throughout the centuries with your pathologically motivated reasoning to imprint upon reality your innate sense of logic while refusing to accept the fact that your reason is contextualized by the function of your brain and does not apply to anything outside of it.

>>23816853
Yes, by definition. You will not be shifting to a metaphysical discussion. Free will is not metaphysical. It's not magic.

>>23816854
>Meaningfulness doens't mean anything.
Kinda the point tho.

>People like you who MUST have a distilled reason should just stick to religion
Anon you're the one who goes "okay so we have terms that WE ALL BELIEVE WE UNDERSTAND IN THE SAME WAY, and we use those terms to define assumptions that WE ALL TREAT AS TRUE for now". That's just religion with extra utility.

>your reason is contextualized by the function of your brain and does not apply to anything outside of it
So we're back to defining brain processes as brain processes of brain processes by the way of brian processes in the brian processes - i.e. as brain processes. I'm sure that reducing reasoning to it's hardware and divorcing it from absolutely everything beyond it is definitely non-circular and does not end in a tautology.

>>23816855
>Yes, by definition.
I love it when sepulkas are by definition the things used in sepulkaria which by definition perform sepuling, which by definition is what's being done using sepulkas.

>Free will is not metaphysical. It's not magic.
THEY think that things happens for NO REASON AT ALL, THE IDIOTS!

>>23816857
>Kinda the point tho.
True, obfuscation is the foundation of sophistry.

>That's just religion with extra utility.
No it's called a language? Are you fucking retarded? Definitions derived from observations are axiomatic. That's literally how language works you autistic clown.

>So we're back to defining brain processes as brain processes of brain processes by the way of brian processes in the brian processes - i.e. as brain processes. I'm sure that reducing reasoning to it's hardware and divorcing it from absolutely everything beyond it is definitely non-circular and does not end in a tautology.
This was the best one yet, you actually tried here. Your brain works the way your brain works. Your brain is not the universe. When you try to apply the logic of your brain to the universe, naturally you fucking fail. If you can't understand that projecting onto externalities is flawed, you need to just stop trying. But I suspect you "misunderstood" on purpose...

>>23816864
>I love it when
I love when crintlers don't know what an observation is.

>THEY think that things happens for NO REASON AT ALL, THE IDIOTS!
YOU DID IT AGAIN! Fucking read! Not magic does not mean no reason! The observed material reality provides sufficient explanation of itself. Again, THE OBSERVED MATERIAL REALITY PROVIDES SUFFICIENT EXPLANATION OF ITSELF. You are either doing this on purpose or you are genuinely retarded.

>>23816867
>True, obfuscation is the foundation of sophistry.
It's not me, it's the fuckin' language, maaan. We gotta go "if you know you know, you know?" at some point.

>Your brain works the way your brain works.
What an enlightening and non-tautological statement tho.

>Your brain is not the universe.
Yeah but it's like a non-insignificant part of it maaaan, and they like, interact like you know like, both ways, maaaaan.

>When you try to apply the logic of your brain to the universe, naturally you fucking fail.
Yah.

>If you can't understand that projecting onto externalities is flawed, you need to just stop trying.
Now man, seeing as applying the logic of our brain to the universe leads to failure, and seeing as our brains are a part of the universe - consider for a moment the implications of projection onto INTERnalities!

>>23816871
>YOU DID IT AGAIN! Fucking read! Not magic does not mean no reason!
No you. I'm not making a statement. I'm making a humorous reference to how I anticipated your perception of your imaginary opposition, and how you bring it into relevance yourself, because flexing on THOSE IDIOTS is an indispensable part of your preferred aesthetics.

>THE OBSERVED MATERIAL REALITY PROVIDES SUFFICIENT EXPLANATION OF ITSELF
Behold! I hereby give a sufficient explanation of an atom:

Atom.

>You are either doing this on purpose
Kinda, but I'm not like just pissing you off for lolz. I genuenly believe is what I am saying and engaging in good faith, while being fully aware that it does piss you off and that it does provide lolz.

>>23816876
>>Your brain works the way your brain works.
>What an enlightening and non-tautological statement tho.
This is not what was said, you are not quoting me. You are making up something I did not say.

>I anticipated your perception of your imaginary opposition
That literally didn't happen. You tried to inject your preconception and I denied it...

>Behold! I hereby give a sufficient explanation of an atom:
The word atom is not the observation of an aton. You are disengenuous.

You're not engaging in good faith. You have quite literally made shit up on multiple occasions. Your "humor" is a coping mechanism so you don't have to self reflect on your mistakes.


Good day, retard.

>>23816871
>I love when crintlers don't know what an observation is.
How we define brain activity through an observation: a brain observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself.

>>23816897
How we actually define brain activity through an observation: a brain observing an object that has been affected by a brain.

Your sophistry isn't working, schlomo.

>>23816894
>This is not what was said, you are not quoting me. You are making up something I did not say.
Reviewer #1 would like to draw your attention to manuscript >>23816867, line 10:
>This was the best one yet, you actually tried here. Your brain works the way your brain works.

>That literally didn't happen.
Reviewer #1 would like to draw the Author's attention to manuscript >>23816836, line 2:
>Which is what I felt every side's true and final position was "I think that things happen FOR A REASON, while THEY think that things happens for NO REASON AT ALL, THE IDIOTS"

The Author should then consider manuscript >>23816855, line 2:
>Yes, by definition. You will not be shifting to a metaphysical discussion. Free will is not metaphysical. It's not magic.
What bears special interest is the statement "Free will is not metaphysical. It's not magic", and even more specifically - it's presence in the absolute absence of any statements to the contrary whatsoever.

This Reviewer believes that the Author has strong emotional connection to his self-percieved identity, which by itself is strongly defined through the Other, in this case - hypothetical individuals who do beleive that "free will is magic". This Reviewer would politely ask the Author to consider how such sentiments lie far outside the scope of the study being representede by the Present Paper, and as such should be reconsidered in the final draft.

>The word atom is not the observation of an atom.
This Reviewer is surprised to see the Author's rebuttal of the provided sufficient explanation of a phenomenon, without an accompanying sufficient explanation of a phenomenon.

>Your "humor" is a coping mechanism so you don't have to self reflect on your mistakes.
This Reviewer believes that citation is nessesary here.

>Good day, retard.
This Reviewer has reasons to believe that the Author is sure mad, and would like theAuthor to know that he is not suprised whatsoever.

>>23816913
>a brain observing an object that has been affected by a brain.
Ah yes, the original source of all information on a given object in the course of an observation - a separate, intermediate object. When I look at a start through a telescope - it's the telescope that has a radiation spectrum, a hydrogen core and temperature spots.

>>23816918
All that for a drop of blood

>>23816924
Wait till you learn what your eyeballs are.

>>23816928
Uh, can westrart from "not the thing being observed through them"?

>>23816876
Nononono. The funniest thing is - that anon describes free will as "things that happen in the frontal lobe", while determinists define involuntary predetermined action as "things that happen in the frontal lobe", all while metaphysical voluntarists also describe free will as "things that happen in the frontal lobe"!

They really do be getting fuckass mad and calling each other retards over saying the same thing with different emotional connotations. Many such cases.

>>23816965
>all while metaphysical voluntarists also describe free will as "things that happen in the frontal lobe"!
no they dont??????

>>23816930
Yeah, so whats the difference between classical observations and materially assisted observations?

>>23816991
You think they metaphysical voluntarists reject neurophysiology? Mothafucka, Penrose is measuring some Platonic fairy dust shit in the neuron tubulin structures or sum sheit.

>>23817002
It's what could be difened as The Irrelevant to the subject at hand?

The whole thing is that any definition of reasoning and action through the physical phenomena that cause them is inherently recursive - we describe the phenomena thought the same phenomena which we described through the same phenomena, ad inf. Hence all the magical bullshit in the matter for the last N thousand years - it's not that everyone from Socrates to Descartes is too dumb or too lacking in encephalographic equipment to see human voluntary action on a screen, it's that this approach goes nowhere, to the point of lacking even our last saving grace - utility. Which is not to say that fair godmother dust of free though and action is true or even any better - only that they are two kinds of flawed babble that ultimately says nothing about human action, infinitely insisting upon itself.

>>23815294
>dot com

>>23817046
retard

>>23809057
If you remove "like" in 1 and 12, then they'd be one word less

>>23817424
i don't get it

>>23809358
same
you can't even be garotted while lying down LOL

>>23817469
judge

>>23817469
Crystal cafe memes are indistinguishable from older cautionary tales about anti-natalism and misanthropic cruelty

>>23808413

>>23809158
That's just this comic but as a doge meme

>>23811725
kek, sly bastard

>>23808413

>>23815338
This is actually funnier than the story you're responding to

>>23814751
>I don't agree with your conclusion that atoms bouncing around randomly has any effect on whether I should have a shower in the morning. I stink, therefore I am
Very clever.
I think what that other anon is trying to express is that he has mathematical proof that free will is an illusion of thermodynamic chaos which is why your argument would seem quite circular. i.e. If all of our thoughts/brain processes are determined at random by atomic/thermodynamic movement then these very movements have led him to being depressed about it so his only hope is that these erratic particles decide to move in such a way that will alleviate his current predetermined chaos-thoughts.

>>23817973
Holy mother of based

>>23813449
lmao maybe your life is meaningless. not me tho!

>>23813432
But Anon, the wave function is the wiggle room for particles to exert their free will, that's why it's not predictable.

>>23809166
Lurk moar retard

>>23809427
We're really posting twitter screenshots of 4ch screenshots at this point?

>>23809158
So dystopias are just like shoujo manga now?

>>23813432
Lucky for me I'm too stupid to understand that (like some bumpkin in a Lovecraft story witnessing an eldritch terror)

>>23809213
>1994
Isn't this dated?

>>23810840
requesting the next page

>>23812966
>sapphistry
what in the fucking fuck

>>23813929
>I think it’s different since I was never confronted with what feels like irrefutable evidence that the seemingly ordered world around us is just time averaged by our senses from a microscopic world of chaos with literal RNG built into its smallest bits.
You don't need to engage in any level of math or physics or frankly anything scholarly to learn this. Go to a beach in a particularly urban or particularly rural part of the world. Sit a decent ways away and just watch for like 9 hours. You'll come to the same conclusions, except it won't be beaten over your head by a numerical cudgel and you'll get some sunlight.

Finding a meaning in nothing that is effectively "nothing has meaning" is how you end up going the way of Goya. Panic and death. It doesn't help you and it doesn't help anyone else.

When faced with the unstoppable tide of unpredictable chaos that spits in the face of any theses of what makes the world work, you're gonna flinch, you're gonna wobble, but also quite frankly you can more than easily stand up and walk away from it to. It hurts the mind and the soul, but man, your ancestors were being bitten by tigers. That probably physically hurt a lot more, and they still were able to produce you - because they knew what mattered was keeping their bodies alive and healthy. Do the same for yourself and quite frankly the meaninglessness of everything doesn't matter because you'll have built your own meaning.
It's all just atoms moving? Well keep your atoms moving in the fashion that holds them together more efficiently to your liking! What qualifies as your atoms? That's your choice! If you're capable of reading, you're capable of choosing.

Existential dread is a spook, spookier than many spooks but still just a spook. You, with your functioning brain and hands, are a Ghostbuster. Don't let the spooks win.

>>23809352
>>23815031
Nta but I'm a burger, I know we have some decent /lit/ and that shit's hilarious

>>23808549
>Hegelian witch
>Serrano
>Beginning with Hermeticism and Jung
>Reincarnation ad Carnap and Goethe
>Deranged cosmological assassin of the soul
>Capital as ontotheology
This anon met the cringiest person into philosophy I’ve ever heard of. I’m jealous. Hell, I’d pay money to be in a book club with her just to see the show.

>>23813929
You have never seen an atom.

>>23811260
Anon thank you for sharing this

>>23817485
I liked Inside Out & Back Again by Thanhha Lai.

>>23817517
>Doesn't watch scary movies

>>23817635
Based

>>23811400
You’ve only ever imagined talking to one, I assume?

>>23818081
I'm not arguing for or against free will, and the same for whether meaning exists or not. I'm saying it doesn't actually matter. The fact is, whether it's an illusion or not, we can still decide to live and think a certain way to lead a better life. Metaphysical philosophy about the nature of existence is just an intellectual exercise as far as I'm concerned. It's interesting, but people place far too much importance on these ideas. As a different anon has said in this thread, it is essentially nothing more than justification for thinking, feeling, and acting a certain way.

In other words, he's not depressed because free will might not exist. He latches on to the idea that free will might not exist because he's depressed.

I used to think about free will, and the meaning of the universe almost constantly, but eventually I realised that it just doesn't really matter, because it doesn't change our actual lives and the facts of what we have to do in order to live a good life. So I don't care anymore. I might not have free will, my thoughts might not be my own, my life might be an echoing void of meaninglessness in the face of uncaring universe. I don't care, I'm still going to shower in the morning because I stink, therefore I am (going to take a shower).

>>23817487
Dragons, elves and talking trees aren't sexually attractive.

>>23819638
>I'm not arguing for or against free will, and the same for whether meaning exists or not
Me neither. I was just pointing out the tautology in trying to convince someone that being convonced is anything more than randomised particles arranging themselves into an "I am convinced" structure.

>>23819964
> I was just pointing out the tautology in trying to convince someone that being convonced is anything more than randomised particles arranging themselves into an "I am convinced" structure.
And the motherfucker will then even go like "well it's just your stochastic brain processes that make you try and affect my stochastic brain processes"

>>23820249
Exactly. It's recursive.

>>23809057
Most of these are funny, anti-humour is better than normalfag quipping

>>23809141
>It is non-theoretical right wing pap.
Anon, some of the books in that meme are Minecraft strategy guides, don’t get triggered by the shitpost.
>Theory has a set of requirements around comprehensibility and demonstrative potential these texts don't meet.
Most leftist “theory” doesn’t meet requirements of either comprehensibility or demonstrability, in fact demonstrations mostly disprove them.

>>23813945
Please God let this be true

>>23809057
7 is fucking kino

>>23809200
kino

>>23809449
what's the thing in his mouth?

>>23820424
Demonstrations can't disprove undemonstrable theory, that'd be in Popper ;).

Post fucking memes you taggers not arguments

>>23817424
Women exist basically just to keep the birth rates up and nothing else.

>>23808413

>>23809064

>>23816789
I'd be willing to bet it's a 4channer employee and they're shitposting irl

>>23815640
god i hate that fucking faggot

>>23817692
100% she saw her edgy grandson reading it and wants to connect with him

>>23817703

>>23809057
9 is amazing lmao

>>23809200
womp reddit ramble

>>23819107
I've seen an Avogadros number of atoms

>>23809138
Not /lit/. They don't move in the books.

>>23809057
the ones about Jeopardy and ATM surcharges are very clever

>>23818052
PICKED UP

>>23818052
Sauce on mango? Asking for a friend.

>>23826973
Harenchi! Matsuri-chan 2

>>23815420
I'm pretty sure that was Bakker

>>23827362
>Gender change
Into the trash it goes.

>>23811474
Husserliana probably never was, I'm not even sure if it was entirely transcribed from shorthand.

>>23815294
>Lolita clearly opened and hastily put back (Presumably after a cheeky bathroom wank)
>Infinite jest untouched
Yep. Sounds like you fucks

>>23809087
I thought 10 was good, too.

>>23815338
Crazy how they make Marx mandatory reading but we can't have the 10 commandments posted at the library.

>>23811656
Lost

Wow. This /lit/ humor thread is extremely lacking. 275 replies and not a single one of my greentext stories or memes have been posted.

>>23809031
Yas sister! This is gonna own those chuds!
[meanwhile the unironic leftist theory books are funnier than Minecraft and Conan]
Oh no! Add American Psycho in there next time! That would be so lmao! And a Doge!
captcha: XVGMAP

>>23809493
Imagine a sexy, curvy, thick-thighed blonde giantess squeezed that glorious turd out, her powerful glutes straining as her butthole opens like a shuttle-bay door, before releasing this massive brown idol from her insides forth. The fragrant smell of her diet coalesced into an intoxicating aroma that stings the nostrils...

>>23811725
Never saw this before but it got a kek out of me

Why are two bots arguing about free will in a /lit/ humor thread?
>>23829192
Post 'em, then, fag

>>23809061
I miss Pratchett even more now

>>23811725
PERVERTED COMMAS

>>23824625
its*

>>23813929
>Are you a scientist? I think it’s different since I was never confronted with what feels like irrefutable evidence that the seemingly ordered world around us is just time averaged by our senses from a microscopic world of chaos with literal RNG built into its smallest bits.
NTA, but I think I count as a scientist. I'm in academia (mathematics, cryptology specifically) and I have to say: I agree with the absurdist.

>>23809449
why is he being fed a spatula

>>23831035
it's so he doesn't bite his tongue when they put the hamster tube up his ass

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vGi9sUpl4lE&pp=ygUZSnIgdG9sa2llbiBjaG9vc2luZyBuYW1lcw%3D%3D

>>23824619
Lmao I once met a neo-nazi who thought as the midwit

>>23813432
This somewhat describes my experience studying physical electrical engineering, especially while taking courses like statistical physics. However now I'm either too far gone or somewhat enlightened, as I believe there's more to it we don't know yet. idk life humbled me hard and made me think knowledge isn't really the answer and looking for it there is off the "right"(no such thing tho) track

>>23810069
>Missing the best part about Pharoah. I found that game at a thrift store a few years ago and bought it because of him, but haven't played it yet
It's honestly a fun game, I think there are open source versions now that have a lot of QOL imporvements.

>>23830516
mayherestinpeace.

>>23809053
yeah. i had a woman run away when i started citing carlyle and froude.
in retrospect, moldbug's late-2000s work was a hell of a drug.

>>23809057
5 is a line worthy of Douglas Adams.

Tom Bombadil has to be a black guy. Doesn't have a job, wears garish clothing, spits dope rhymes...but most damning of all, Elrond calls him "fatherless".

>>23809493
shai-poolud! the thing of eturdity!

this isn't lit but Im posting it anyway

>>23833077
>no expanded image
Your screencap sucks

>>23833077

ha spoke too soon fagola
and I thought about combining the two into one file but I didn't want to compromise between making the printout too small and erasing some of the detail, or making it too big and drawing the eye to the punchline before the setup like that comic of mario where the dude eats his nameplate.

>>23833079
>printed out from a mobile client

>>23833092
You just suck at screencapping

>>23833098
If you couldn't tell by the unix timestamp filename I'm not the one who screencapped it.
I'll be sure to pass your complaint along to the anon who did, though.

>Nine years ago
I wonder of this Anon ever finished his novella, or at the very least thought of a title for it.

>>23809140
Stop samefagging me faggot

>>23833077
Anyone who writes in a book deserves to be whipped in public

>>23833142
Why?

>>23808413
lol wtf how can this be real

>>23833684
Vandalism of something beautiful and ruining it for future readers. As bad as niggers who graffiti historical monuments.

>>23833744
That's hardly true. Calm yer breechers, grandma

>>23833744
Books are for enjoyment and that's how I enjoy them

>>23834710
Ah, a volunteer for a public flogging. Well, and good!