/lit/ - Literature

modern SF&F not written by homos/homo enablers?

>>23748466
It is indeed written by them

>>23748473
is there any that isn't or do I have to re-read the same shit for eternity?

>>23748478
Unironically keep going back in time for more content.

>>23748493
I'm sick of reading sagas though
I'll never be able to puke as much as Egill

>>23748498
Become the change you want to see then, anon. Get lost in your own writing.

>>23748505
I can't write.

>>23748539
this isn't me. why are homos/homo enablers always such disingenuous liars?

>>23748451
One of these wrote violent grimdark books, and the other children's fairy tales.

>>23748466
Don't read anything nominated by the Hugos in the past 20 years.

>>23748466
Go with anything being published by Baen

>>23748587
>go to Baen's online store
>first book has a catgirl on the cover

Fuck the wheel of time. Wheel of ass and shit

Anything that scratches the same itch as Hyperion?
I heard the follow-ups to it are not worth reading.

Everyone talks shit about the first two discworld books, but I just finished the light fantastic and it was fantastic

>>23748734
That's great anon, a lot of people struggle with them as Pratchett hadn't figured out his style yet. If you enjoyed the first two, the series only gets better from there.

>>23748414
I want more Mat kino, Path of Daggers is failing to deliver on that front.
I can see where the slog accusation comes from, most of the book is just people walking and doing mundane shit. Kinda sad that Rand has to carry not only the weight of the world but also the entire book. Guy has like 5 or 6 chapters out of 30 and despite that they're still the most interesting part.

>>23748813
that's the book I stopped reading on, clear back when it released.
god, what a slog that was to wait for and then read

>>23748734
Me too. They feel more magical than the latter books, which is a big plus for me.

Just wanted to pop in after reading through the last thread and say the faggot who thinks a fit woman can beat up the average man is a delusional retard.
take care

>>23748813
Yeah path of daggers is a bit slow, but if you liked Rand's moments in PoD you'll love the end of winters heart - plus soon (on the scale of these books) mat leaves ebou dar and starts doing things again

Is it worth reading?

>>23749018
>female author born after 1981
no

I would have made a thread for this, but honestly this one seems like the most liekly place to get material on this-
Books about Mankind taking a step backwards? i.e., in the vein of Concorde being mothballed, no more missions to the moon, and so on?

>>23749018
Not in the slightest.

>>23749333
the book of the new sun

>>23749333
>Books about Mankind taking a step backwards
are you all bots that keep asking this? I'm not mad, just generally curious do you people even lurk? Book of the new sun is one of the most common books we mention yet people keep asking this question.

>>23749385
if she was considering making a new thread then she obviously doesn't lurk this thread or likely even this board. she opened the front page, skimmed the threads, saw one that seemed likely, and made a post in it.
a frivolous post by an outsider is better than a frivolous thread by any means, especially if it remains on-topic.
most girls have better things to do than lurk generals endlessly.

>reading a book written by a woman
>few chapters in theres already rape
Whats up with woman and their fascination with rape and cucking?

>>23749403
think of the most common way for women to survive being conquered in war and realize that for most of pre-enlightenment history that was a very, very common occurence.
it's literally been bred into them

>>23749403
you know why

>>23749018
it's described as a feminist lord of the rings. what do you reckon?

i'm about halfway through emperor's blades. it's not very good. i may not finish it...
do the brothers gain some agency at some point during this book?
should i stick it out?

Posting again to see if anyone has read this yet. The Mercy of Gods. The official blurb pretty much spoils the plot of the entire book, but I guess the fun is really the worldbuilding and the plot hardly matters because it's the setup for a future series.

>How humanity came to the planet called Anjiin is lost in the fog of history, but that history is about to end.
>The Carryx—part empire, part hive—have waged wars of conquest for centuries, destroying or enslaving species across the galaxy. Now, they are facing a great and deathless enemy. The key to their survival may rest with the humans of Anjiin.
>Caught up in academic intrigue and affairs of the heart, Dafyd Alkhor is pleased just to be an assistant to a brilliant scientist and his celebrated research team. Then the Carryx ships descend, decimating the human population and taking the best and brightest of Anjiin society away to serve on the Carryx homeworld, and Dafyd is swept along with them.
>They are dropped in the middle of a struggle they barely understand, set in a competition against the other captive species with extinction as the price of failure. Only Dafyd and a handful of his companions see past the Darwinian contest to the deeper game that they must play to survive: learning to understand—and manipulate—the Carryx themselves.
>With a noble but suicidal human rebellion on one hand and strange and murderous enemies on the other, the team pays a terrible price to become the trusted servants of their new rulers.
>Dafyd Alkhor is a simple man swept up in events that are beyond his control and more vast than his imagination. He will become the champion of humanity and its betrayer, the most hated man in history and the guardian of his people.

>>23749018
>Woman
Ahahahahaaa. Oh ho ho.

>>23749333
Hyperion
I was going to recommend it anyway but since you asked..

>>23749018
I couldn't finish it.

Most powerful or emotionally moving lines from novel?
>...Is it a blessing or a curse knowing I will die soon, for a spear has pierced my side. Arcane magic cannot heal a wound of this level. I know now that I will never return home. I will never roll the gacha again. I will have lived a life never once having a waifu. But, I have enough magic for one last spell. Shall I destroy this world out of spite before I go?

>>23748451
The prologue is so much better than the rest of the book it's not even funny.

>>23749758
wow I haven't seen that cover before. Keep delivering cool new books /lit/!

>>23749764
Are you gay?

>>23749773
Yeah.

Yall got any good ninja/samurai pulp?

>>23749773
Yes, why?

>>23749516
>>/lit/thread/23683292#p23684300
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>>23749403
What's with your fascination with women's fascination with rape? Just roll your eyes and move on.

>>23749945
Because they doth protest to much. Do you expect your average /lit/fag to have read Shakespeare?

>>23749773
I've been spending the last year pumping a philipino ladyboy, what do you think?

>Daniel Black
Why is this general recommending cuckshit?

>>23749971
Why is this anon misattributing intent?

Does anyone care for Cosmic Horror Elements in Fantasy? I’ve been having discussions with a friend IRL and recently we’ve had some discussions/disagreements about Cosmic Horror.

For examples of what I’m trying to go for, the story is inspired by Berserk and more heavily by Fear and Hunger 1&2. The Old Gods.

>>23750086
Fantasy is an underrepresented niche in horror in general. Cosmic horror can be pulled of well. Make of that what you will.

>>23750086
Cosmic horror is the best horror along with body horror

>>23750086
It's incredibly overused and played out. Lovecraftian bullshit has just become a derivative cliche hacks use to raise stakes, usually unsuccessfully.

>>23750095

So Robert E. Howard and Lovecraft were friends or part of a writing group. In Conan, he was faced with Horrors and he won and my friends whole take is the way I’m incorporating it isn’t pure cosmic horror because the characters aren’t affected enough.

For example I have a woman afflicted by the Goddess of Freedom and she has lost all moral and mortal ties to everything except her daughter who she raped a drunk noble to get. They have a tether of humanity left with these powers. So for you would you have a problem with the tether?

The MC is ultimately afflicted as well with a gods power, but he has the mentality of trying to do good on his way out. It’s isn’t like Lovecraft but it isn’t as hopeful as Conan so, yeah.


>>23750102

I have a problem with where to stop cause It can get over the top real quick.

>>23750086
>For examples of what I’m trying to go for, the story is inspired by Berserk and more heavily by Fear and Hunger 1&2
god damn I would hate you if I met you I bet

>>23750238
you might look at warhammer 40k books centered around fighting chaos or the chaos legions themselves. I find that that setting, despite its derp, handles cosmic horror best out of any modern franchise.

>>23750267
Ok I’m curious, why?

>>23750295
Already have but thanks for the suggestion regardless. The Three Main evil gods are based of the Ruinous 4 but I haven’t decide on a number yet. Either 3 or 7, not for the deadly sins but for the 7 Hills of Rome.

You're a retard

>>23749758
You're a retard

>>23750307
because you mention video games instead of books. You probably watch supereyepatchwolf videos and probably think dark souls is peak.
Check out the book Between Two Fires. You'll like that I'm guessing. it will give you inspiration

>>23750315
I'm not sure I'd go into that much detail my friend. Cosmic horror is the fear of the unknown. don't fall into the trap of "explaining your magic system"

Wind and Truth cover

>>23750340
>nobody will ever adapt any of his works no matter how hard he pumps out hollywood bait

>>23750340
God damn. He actually paid an artist for that? AI would be an improvement.

>>23750324
Not to be the “Well, actually” guy, but I actually don’t much care for the man. He got a hate bandwagon on Bleach he had to back track years later because of shitty information and he also became a One Piece dick rider. He also had a stupid take on Silent Hill 3 which boiled down to “I Don’t Like It”

As for Berserk and FaH, it’s just inspiration like anything else.

Some of the Fear and Hunger fans are pretty gay though, because Miro actually but in diverse characters but people just focus on the Femboy.

As for Dark Souls being peak, Elden Ring is essentially Dark Souls Extra and the formula has run its fucking course because they ruined the DLC with a lack of a story minus the “I really want to fuck my brother” stuff since they had three fucking lines for it. So From is off my day one list, but Japan as a whole has been fumbling. I like to think I’m not a sycophant.
>>23750325
It won’t, there will be hints, but nothing concrete unless the most autistic person observes it. The whole cosmic horror thing will be sprinkled out and then when the final part happens that’s when people could maybe put things together.

>>23750361
>noooo you're killing artists nooooo

>>23750371
>>23750315
have you read "the mirror of the nameless?"

>>23750391
No, but I’m compiling stuff for reading since I have vacation in a few weeks. My friend sort of ripped me a new asshole for not being caught up with modern and contemporary stories and not being aware of modern authors, so every little bit helps.

>>23750324
By the way thanks for the recommendation, I forgot to add that.

>>23750420
>not being caught up with modern and contemporary stories and not being aware of modern authors
that's a good thing most modern SFF and horror is woke transshit.

>>23750420
>My friend sort of ripped me a new asshole for not being caught up with modern and contemporary stories and not being aware of modern authors
your friend is a trans retard

>>23748466
Chinese or Russian

>>23750322
Yeah, that's not better; you're the retard for thinking it is. The sheer amount of mystery, danger, and vastness juggled in that prologue is never again duplicated. There's nothing you can say to convince me otherwise. Gay ESL probably read 'sonorous peals' and creamed his pants. The first encounter with the Nonman alone was a superior moment.

>>23750437
>>23750442

He isn’t one, he is genuinely helpful but not too modern I should have said? Probably the last 20 years? Stuff before 2010’s? It’s hard to gauge, I’ve been just trying to focus on my own works instead of other but, yeah a new outlook won’t hurt, so I’ll take any recommendations.

I also kind of assume most western stuff is like that for SFF and Horror. Since you have a lot of resentment for a certain part of the populace and all those incentives, it’s gay as hell. We should have had a cyberpunk by now but we are left with trannypunk instead, I want a refund…

I read "Tales of the Dying Earth" and I really like its mixing of pseudo-medieval elements with futuristic or odd elements. It reminds me of Simon Stålenhag's "Tales from the Loop" and nostalgia for weird or unusual structures and buildings, which I saw in my childhood. Also I like all Cugel's unexpected turns in his wandering in "Cugel's saga", really like a kaleidoscope of vivid landscapes and adventures.

Any books with such elements, excepting the other books in Dying Earth genre? And I don't mean any post-apocaliptic fantasy, but rather author's talent to create specific nostalgia, atmosphere and perception of his world with help of "out of place" and "out-of-the-way" structures.

>>23750480
Lyonesse, Planet of Adventure and Araminta Station.

>>23750349
Maybe CGI or anime adaptation.

>>23750340
>truth is, I got wind

>>23750340
meh
Nothing is ever gonna beat Way of Kings.

>>23750606
Does he ever talk about Mormonism or is he scared shitless of scaring away all the snoys who pump his bags?

>>23750612
I have no idea how this mormonism thingy differs from regular catholicism, so I'm not the one you want to ask.
If there is any outright religious propaganda then I must have slept through it. Except for Dalinar maybe, but he strikes me more as a boomer that wants the good ol' days back than a preacher.

At least in the first book, I dropped the second as soon as I realized Shallan is the main character. Fuck that.

>>23750636
>I have no idea how this mormonism thingy differs from regular catholicism, so I'm not the one you want to ask.
that's a hell of a rabbit hole to fall down and I encourage you to read up on their doctrine. it's truly bizarre.

>>23750340
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>>23750663
Will you buy his new game, anons?

>>23750692
>buy
no
>pirate
probably still no

>>23750692
No I wouldn't have anyone to play it with anyway.

>>23748678
I am kinda waiting to see what they do with the season 3 of the show. How will they manage to keep the plot rolling at this point when everything is already completely fucked? The amount of bullshit they're cooking must be off the charts even in comparison to previous seasons.
I guess this is what they call morbid curiosity.

>>23749971
I read Herald of Shalia. It was decently entertaining. I tried reading some others like it, but they're so hollow. I want to read a fantasy novel that incidentally has a harem in it, but these stories are all focused on the sex and the fantasy novel doesn't even come second. It's third at best.
Do I really have to read Chinese and Japanese novels for this?

>>23750828
Paladin of the Sigil is pretty good as far as a fantasy harem story goes that doesn't revolve around the harem. The first volume at least, haven't read the rest.

>>23750828
Try pic related. It's a smut novel first,
but the plot and world building is surprisingly well done.

>>23750692
I haven't played a game that wasn't a homebrew or Vampire the Masquerade in 15 years.

>>23750828
Herald of Shalia is basically the smut king of harem novels. It makes most of the competition look incredibly boring on that front in comparison.

>>23749758
>tfw le cuck chapters.
i want to see wizcuck go berserk again, just started 3rd book :^)

>>23750480
The Atomic Sea by Jack Conner has elements of that

>>23748839
just ignore him, i'm pretty sure that was bakkerfag so he isn't going anywhere anytime soon

>>23750340
>Dalinar cover
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>23750340
will Syl finally give kaladin a footjob?

>>23750954
No, he will not be including excerpts from your erotic fanfiction smut.

I usually don't care if the story i'm reading has romance or no romance since that's not what i'm there for.
But if you include a romance and it's not the main character and instead some random side character i get annoyed.
It's the worst of both worlds since i get forced to read romance and it's not even about the protag which would at least make it a bit more interesting.

How do I make a female character useful? She's a snobby aristocrat who is forced to team up with a vulgar barbarian, naturally they fall in love, it's very whimsical. I thought about making her a magician but that seems a little too cliche, even for me.

>>23751084
Why are you even pretending that she has any sort of purpose beyond being romance fodder?

>>23751084
>She's a snobby aristocrat who is forced to team up with a vulgar barbarian
If she is now thrust out of her comfort zone, then you now have a female heroes journey set up you could do. Usually this is more male focused concept but you can allow her female qualities to be front and center while still making her strong in some way (she doesn't need to pick up an axe and fight)
fish out of water.
make her useful maybe make her learn to be a nurse or cook. Heals wounded warriors, learned it growing up idk

>>23751095
Because I'd like her to contribute to the plot on some way.

>>23751095
yeah yeah you hate women, all women are whores, westfallen, blackpill, blah blah

>>23750340
What a terrible title

>>23750480
Interesting point of view

>>23748614
Yes. Baen makes books for red-blooded heterosexual men (male)

>>23751084
>How do I make a female character useful?
You could always play into her uselessness. She could be regular Empress Matilda and basically be a burden around the neck of her cause and allies or if you don't like that you can have her have an arc about coming to terms with her situation and learn to manipulate people based on her perceived uselessness.

>>23749018
>LGBT
Lesbo sex or gtfo

>>23750879
I thought Bakkerfag hated women?

>>23751084
>I thought about making her a magician but that seems a little too cliche, even for me.
Embrace the cliche

Shallan my beloved

>>23751217
Built for BBC

>>23751221
Yuck

>>23751226
Better luck next life, whitey.

>>23751203
Fair enough. What kind of magic should a snobby noblewoman know? How to create golems?

Are we posting waifus? For me it's Soulcatcher, but only before she became a yandere simp

Give me Soulcatcher when they're laying that trap in the first book for the enemy leader and she scares the fuck out of Croaker by being inhumanly powerful gf pls

>>23751231
Normally I'd say yes, but it'd be kind of redundant if she's teaming with a Barbarian. Still, the general idea of her specializing in magic where she doesn't get her hands dirty sounds fitting. Maybe have her focus on long distance spells, status ailments/curses and reducing movement?

>>23751246
Maybe she could scry? Spy on enemies, detect ambushes, etc.

>>23751217
how many personalities is she at now?

>>23751256
3-4, including herself.

>feelin bored and curious about current state of fantasy book
>decided to check orbit and tor website to see whats new
>feelin even more depressed
seriously why are the state of current fantasy like this? its dominated by w*men who wrote a literal fantasy smut with 0 worldbuilding or cool atmospheric prose, if it stayed like this in 2 or 3 years we will have literal wattpad author in these big publisher

>>23751273
Either women authors or reddit-brained male authors.

>>23751282
I mean look at this
>https://www.orbit-books.co.uk/orbit-books-news/2024/01/09/read-an-extract-from-a-feather-so-black-by-lyra-selene/

>>23751084
Incidentally, I'm currently reading Theft of Fire by Devon Eriksen, which is pretty much literally this, except in a hard SF setting.
Could be something to read for inspiration. With the disclaimer, of course, that since I haven't finished the book I don't know if it gets suddenly retarded in the end or something.
An aristocratic character like that would have knowledge and skills that not every unwashed barbarian would. She would have received an education, she would know how things like politics, business, diplomacy and spycraft work, at least on a basic level. She would be literate, while the vulgar might not be. She could know multiple languages. And she might have experience using her looks and femininity to get what she wants, and the meathead might be dumb enough to fall for it, at least initially. Lastly, she herself has been raised to be a political token to be traded for diplomatic favors so she could convince him to hold on to her for ransom or something, or promise him things like money, land and titles if he helps her get her way (with no intention of ever holding on to her word, but chad the cimmerian just might be naive enough to believe her).
Basically, it's her social manipulation skills vs his physical dominance.
As for why doesn't the guy just immediately rape her, maybe he just hates aristocracy enough that he doesn't want to admit he's attracted to her. He has pride, you know. And maybe he's cognizant enough to know she's more valuable as an untouched virgin (she's probably not but he doesn't need to know)
You could put them into situations where they have to write letters and negotiate with foreign powers and un-barbariany things like that.

>>23751273
women writers were always there but you are right about the 0 worldbuilding thing and shit prose, feels like i'm reading a tumblr post instead of an actual fantasy novel

>>23751315
>Incidentally, I'm currently reading Theft of Fire by Devon Eriksen, which is pretty much literally this, except in a hard SF setting.
I'll check it out, thanks.
>As for why doesn't the guy just immediately rape her, maybe he just hates aristocracy enough that he doesn't want to admit he's attracted to her.
I actually have a pretty good reason for him to help her. When he was young his love interest was killed by her abusive father, and he feels like it was his fault for failing to protect her. He sees protecting the aristocrat as a second chance.

>>23751273
>its dominated by w*men who wrote a literal fantasy smut
they write that so they can get popular on tiktok

>>23750086
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>>23751326
Fuck off.
>>23746959

Is there something like Neuromancer, minus the computer bullshit? It's very distracting.

how are andre norton's witch world books?

>>23748557
Hugo Awards more like Homo Awards

>>23751343
/wg/ is for actual literature, not sci-fi or fantasy.

>>23749402
>she

The Traitors We Are by Roberti Michael, is it good? never heard the author name before

>>23749516
>Dafyd
I can't abide this name so I won't be reading it

>>23751231
Magic that helps her fuck with her social enemies, eg affects people's disposition towards a chosen target

>>23748554
Is anything by AR good? Just looking at the covers give me that safe edgy reddit gay shit. You know, every character is a rogue, quick with the dagger and sparse with words and a tragic past bla bla bla.

Just started picrel. It's fine for now but I'm on page 50 something and this thing is a fucking brick, it has another 500 or so to go. I hope it gets somewhere soon or I'll drop it. Surprisingly the mercenary company has women that are not slay queens or annoying, for now.

>>23751458
forgot pic

>>23751345
Like... what? What parts you liked?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl1knojM_-8

>>23751315
>With the disclaimer, of course, that since I haven't finished the book I don't know if it gets suddenly retarded in the end or something.
An update, just finished it. Nothing too retarded, but the finale is slightly open-ended and an obvious sequel bait. A trilogy is planned. I don't mind, though, I'd gladly read more of the same. Was surprised to find out this is the guy's first novel. Literally, ever. Dude puts some big-name SF authors to shame.

>>23750606
it's crazy how much better the quality of TWOK cover is in terms of composition, colors and details and just overall painting skill. wtf happened to Whelan bruh this shit is so ass

>>23751561
>wtf happened to Whelan
Dude's in his mid-70s

>>23750692
>4 out of 6 characters are women
>2 out of 6 characters are black, with a possible 3rd being black with straight hair.
I need not say more. You already know.

>>23751534
>Author blames feminism for the world going to shit
based

Any good harems? Obviously it doesn't need to be anything explicit.

>>23751534
I don't trust authors with this terrible aesthetic taste, fucking horrible looking AI slop cover.
Cuckservative authors are so lost in the sauce

>>23751693
It's amazing how indie conservative authors, for some ungodly reason, are incapable of making a book cover that isn't shit. Niemeier is about the only one who has the sense to hire an actual artist for his book covers.

>>23751693
I looked up the artist and I think she just paints that way. For the record, I don't think it's a great looking cover, but my issue with it is more with the composition being boring.
The anime girl on the cover is just supposed to be a literal anime girl IRL. A genetwist, a designer baby.
Half of the text characterizing her is about how punchable she is. The other half is male-gazey stuff about how her butt wobbles in zero gravity.
I'm not sure I'd call the author any kind of -servative though. I got the sense he probably leans left, but there's no pronouns or LGBT stuff here. He's some old retired guy which is probably why his writing reads old-fashioned, and more real than some younger authors.

>>23751675
I like the Dread Knight books by Sarah Hawke

>>23751717
>I got the sense he probably leans left,
Actually I take that back. I just found his blog.
But I guess that speaks to his writing being neutral enough even when it touches political topics, acknowledging different viewpoints and not just beating over your head with the "message".

>>23751675
I didn't think the neural wraith books were too bad

>>23751717
he's posting slop like this on his twitter, fucking lolberts
He also shills for AI art all the time but is so retarded that he can't figure out he's shooting himself in the foot by supporting AI slop.
also I just found out he has two wives and they both shill for his book on twitter 24x7.
predictably one of them stfu'd when asked if she'll be fine shilling AI slop if it replaces authors like her husband

as for the artist looking at their portfolio https://www.artstation.com/ikaruna it's literally all photshopped garbage and AI painted over shit. it's so fucking ass lmao
Can we not get a single non globohomo writer who isn't embarrassing to be associated with ?

>>23751887
I saw Correia posting some AI slop on his account too. Which is even more depressing considering how he always stuck up for smaller creators and fellow modern pulp authors.

>>23751887
>he has two wives
So he's incredibly based, got it

>>23751945
Depends on whether he's mormon or not

>>23751945
>incredibly based
You clearly have zero experiences with women, it's a pain to even date one normal female, imagine the fucking brainrotted schizo bitch fests going on every day in that house.
>>23751913
Being a lolbert like him and Devon in 2024 would be part of genuinely the lowest IQ crowd around so I'm not surprised they gravitate towards AI garbage

>>23751887
Seeing that he likes AI art is now making me question how much of his writing is AI-assisted.
Faulcon deLacy and Zorgon Petersen are corporations in this universe. Both of them are from the Elite series of games. I figured he might be a fan of those games but now I'm wondering if it's just one of those cases where an AI ends up randomly stealing stuff from existing works and the author doesn't bother with changing the names. It seems such a weird way to pay homage. There's also other stuff "borrowed" from elsewhere like the Belters who seem to be just 1:1 taken from the Expanse novels.
But he writes in a pretty non-serious style and seems to enjoy making pop culture references so it might be intentional on his part. I just don't know.

>>23752048
>But he writes in a pretty non-serious style and seems to enjoy making pop culture references
Dropped

>Waifus in western novels
Actually embarrassing.
There is no such thing as a western fantasy or scifi novel with a cute girl in it.

>>23752025
Not only have I dated women, but I've dated bisexual women and almost made it a thrupple, so I know what it's like. Your own brainrot is why you assume it only leads to "schizo bitch fests"

>>23752085
Now imagine actually living with them.

>>23752085
>bisexual women
so you're a cuckold?

>>23752164
Lesbians don’t exist technically, they still use dick shaped tool for pleasure so there are no true Lez

>>23751118
>Because I'd like her to contribute to the plot on some way
She can ruin everything. She also keeps pushing her lover until he snaps. Hijinks ensues.

>>23751345
The Dervish House

>>23751561
RoW is great what are you talking about

>>23751326
>He sees protecting the aristocrat as a second chance.
Don't know, dumb people don't make connections, they don't need to make sense. "you daddy took what is mine now I will take you", rapes ensues, then beatings, and more raping. Even if she saves his life and proves to be very useful rape still can happens, it's like that old story about the wolf and the lamb, against power there are no arguments.

That's the problem of writting females in settings with little to no laws and people that can kill with a word. As soon as social order crumbles women become cattle, as edgy as this may sound. The only way to give them protection is to keep them close to their families/comunities and the men in those being armed and dangerous. Putting her on the road with strange men can only work if they are willing to have sex with the most powerful guy in the group and keep him thirsty. In a "realistic" story she should start her manipulation by spreading her legs to the barbarian and then abuse his childhood trauma.

But hey that's your story and this is just my opinions, do what you feel it is right

>>23752202
Reads like a cope

>>23752267
Magic is one hell of an equalizer too.

And this filth is supposed to be the pinnacle of modern fantasy...?

>>23751460
Low life bottom feeders getting in over their heads, corporate espionage, themes of duality (in Neuromancer the real word vs le cyberspace and the mean streets vs the exalted corporate heights)
>>23752262
Thanks I'll check it out

>>23751887
>>23751693
>>23751704
What benefit is there for an author to come out as a conservative instead of keeping his mouth shut? If he's actually any good, it will be denied on its face, and he will be boycotted; if he's bad, he will become a billboard for poor conservative art. Worst of all people on the right won't even turn out to negate the bulk of the damage done. Truly, it seems the best thing to do is to make good art and keep your political leanings to yourself.

>>23748451
Just powered through books 2 and 3 of the Black Company series by Cook. They were both really good! The series itself had a nice overall flow to it and it really didn't bog down much throughout.

>>23752296
>he fell for the bakker meme

>>23752326
>Low life bottom feeders getting in over their heads, corporate espionage, themes of duality (in Neuromancer the real word vs le cyberspace and the mean streets vs the exalted corporate heights)
I heard Altered Carbon books has a bunch of these but I didn't read yet. Also if you like anime the Cyberpunk 2077 one got all of this

>>23752405
>Altered Carbon
I've been meaning to read these, setup sounds good

>>23752342

It’s arguable that it is changing slightly, but the examples are outside the literature discussion so I’ll list them if anyone wants but, it is better to just keep to yourself until the culture changes.

I’ve had essentially mini-arguments with my idea bouncer about Proselytizing due to a scene involving a women being raped and wanting to keep the kid.

Not all women are baby killers but because of the “Modernity” even in a fantasy setting that should be coded a certain way, this could be seen for me being pro-life when that isn’t my whole take.

It bore fruit with a better sequence, but it’s still a headache when you are constantly preoccupied with politics

>>23752342
I know right? I was ready to buy his next book when it comes out, thinking he's a centrist at worst, or maybe some fanboy of the nordic welfare state because he wrote a manly space viking monologuing socialist talking points into his book, but now I feel all weird about it and keep wondering if he actually beats up both of his wives or only one of them.
And I'm not really left wing myself. I think Ayn Rand makes a lot of sense.

>>23752048
>seems to enjoy making pop culture references
Major ick

>>23752461
>"Art that cannot be held to an external standard, that does not seek to be held to one, is nothing but slop"
Why do I have the feeling his book reeks of reddit humor?

>>23752048
>>23752053
>>23752475
All references are gay and retarded and only serve to harm every creative endeavor that seeks to exist outside of the comedic genre (and even that is not a given). The only thing references do is anchor your creation to another so that it can't stand on its own two feet. And, funnily enough, the people being referenced are done so in part because they were creative enough to not overly rely on that very thing. If you absolutely feel you must do it in order to show appreciation for another, you have to be subtle and sparce.

Unrelated to lit, but this is why I've grown to detest everything Kojima. He is such a fucking hack reference jobber it could be argued whole games of his are allusions to other creations.

>>23752345
I read the whole series 4 or 5 times. For me they are great and peak at The Silver Spike. Books of South are interesting too but I understand why some people hate. I like them, specially Bleak Seasons, but She is the Darkness and Water Sleeps are the low points of the whole series for me. Soldiers Live is good, I know it has some cheap nostalgia moments but after so many years with those guys you cannot tear up a little, it feels like a good farewell for everybody.

I guess A Pitiless Rain will never happen, and maybe this is for the best since the last short stories are pretty bad, still. After everything that happens in Soldiers Live the title alone piqued my curiosity.

Im sorry guys...i was wrong. There are in fact good woman writers.

>>23752296
>Constant rape, necrophilia, incest, cuckolding, murder and cannibalism all wrapped up in pseudo-philosophical monologuing (borderline rambling) with a middle eastern flair.
Yes.

>>23752597
How did this book get an endorsement from a dead guy?

>>23752655
because it was published in 1999

>>23752655
>How did a book published in 1999 get an endorsement from a guy who died in 2007?

>>23752296
I mean I picture her as Liz Hurley and her son. So yes, pretty much.

Anybody ever read it? If so, would you recommend?
I tried the first 4 books of perry rhodan neo but i think its woke-type trashy.
Do you know a good entry-point in the classic series?

>>23752655
Ouija, duh

I mean it's fucking legal on court, why wouldn't be in the cover of a book

>>23752667
>>23752673
They should have retracted it when he died. What if he changed his mind in the afterlife.

>>23752655
Retard

Just entered college, finished Silmarillion, Harry Potter, Lord of The Rings, The Hobbit, and every major fantasy classic written before 1900. Including Gods of Pegana.

Looking for new classics rn. I think I'll try Brandon Sanderson next. Then Dresden Files.

>>23752655
He might have said the word 'wonderful' once in his life.
That's all they claim on the cover.

>>23752689
>skips 60 years of fantasy
Haha

>>23752689
If you mean new classics and not modern classics, She by H. Rider Haggard is good. As is the John Carter stories by Edgar Rice Burroughs. Jules Verne is a given, but his work doesn't really feel like fantasy anymore, so it may not be what you're looking for.

If you are serious and this isn't a shitpost, then the charts in the OP may give you some more ideas what to try next.

I believe my Malazan journey ends here at book 7 unless I get inspired to finish the last 400 pages of this snore fest of a book.

>>23752674
Did you swap their faces? What the fuck

>>23751353
no boys on the internet

>>23752716
Is that SF Site cover quote not true then?

>>23752783
>Is promotional marketing propaganda not true?

>>23752716
>>23752783
I hate Malazan. +100 characters and none of them are interesting.

>>23752799
People act like there's all these characters but each book follows like 3 or 4 groups of people at a time with all their plots weaving together eventually by the end so it's not hard to spend time with the characters. In the grand scope there's a ton of pieces but each book is fairly centralized.

>>23749359
Thanks but I meant more of a deliberate technological step backwards, rather than the sun reaching the end of it's lifecycle.

>>23752943
yes, I know.
it still fits.

Any good kung fu fantasy or science fiction novels? Thojght about writing someting where my main character is expelled from a school of martial arts and then memory wiped, the reason is ambigious but his hatred of his former classmates and teacher monks causes him to develop such a willpower and monstrous strength that he suddenly becomes too powerful and forms his own school against them to get revenge

Started the star wars heir to the empire and man it sucks. Anything better?

>>23753212
Revenge of the Sith's novelization is genuinely pretty great

>pick up Winters Heart audiobook
>prologue is 3 hours long
These things just keep getting longer with every book.

>>23753197
Isn't that the plot of Cobra Kai but the protagonista are good guys?

Anyways, no. Don't know any sci-fi that mixes martial arts.

>>23753197
Combat Codes

>>23753276
Yeah, they're pretty ridiculous

>>23751084
the villain is being funded by corrupt aristocracy and while there are heads that need bashing in, the problem won't go away without political maneuvering

Any books similar in tone or genre to Kenshi?
Post apocalyptic science fantasy that isn’t BOTNS or Dying Earth, since I’ve already read those.

>>23748451
Suppose that an alien civilization, for the last 160,000 years, had recorded everything that happened on Earth in minute detail, and today, told you that you could recall and do anything you wish, in term of all possible illusions. Imagine what you would do, personally, with unlimited luxury.

>>23750457
It's duplicated again and again in the story. Especially in the Aspect Emperor. Sorry you got filtered.

Now that I think about it, Ilium and Olympos are dying earth novels

>>23752689

>>23753492
Try Sword & Sorcery genre (Howard, Leiber, Wagner, etc). It's not post-apocaliptic, but has similar vibes (as I understood looking at screenshots).

Also, Dark Sun.

What am I in for?

>>23748466
correia's saga of the forgotten warrior books are serviceable

>>23751282
>reddit-brained male authors.
john bierce comes to mind

Might drop this one if it doesn't get better soon.

This book was written by the same guy who wrote Tigana. I didn't finish Tigana. It just got kind of boring. This book seems to be going the same route. I'm a little over 1/5th of the way into the book, and they only just now introduced a fantasy element. The 1/5th of the book is dedicated to politics, world building, internal thoughts about what the characters are feeling and sensing. And expressing attraction to women. Not even like sex scenes. But just thinking about the beauty and sensuality of women.

The first few chapters of the book are just world building politics. You don't even get introduced to the main character until you're a number of long chapters in. Everything before him, is just the long form version of "the neighboring kingdom underwent a succession, and they're unstable". Which probably didn't need to be played out on the pages. It could have just been a summary in the main character's tale. And he could have started his story a lot sooner, so we can get introduced to some magic sooner, and get to substantial events sooner.

I'm hoping that now because the main character is finally starting his journey, that the book will get better. But I'm also not very hopeful, because the author only seems to be interested in politics and women. The fantasy aspect is very small, and the adventure aspect is very small. This guy wants to write ancient themed political dramas, but merely uses the fantasy label to sell books.

>>23753849
Unironically all of his books are overrated shit

>>23753783
The main characters of Serpentwar are a lot more flawed than the cast of Riftwar. They're still fundamentally good people, just not the kind of stereotypical heroic princes and whatnot you're familiar with from Magician and its sequels. The conflict in the first book is a lot more down to earth and tied to the immediate experiences of the characters, which I found really compelling to read for the first time. Later in the Serpentwar Saga, Feist does his usual thing in escalating the stakes until the conflict becomes this abstract war of good vs evil on a cosmic scale, but for the first like 2 books there's lots of human-centric drama and conflict that is refreshing to read from him.

The overall plot of the first book smacks of "military fantasy" (Glen Cook, Steve Erikson, etc), and the second is like "fantasy wolf of wall street" for lack of a better descriptor, with the military fantasy stuff taking more of a back seat.

Also, this saga is a lot more "gritty" than Riftwar. It's not just the characters being more flawed, the violence seems more graphic and there's a lot more sex, particularly in book 2.

>>23753849
>>The first few chapters of the book are just world building politics. You don't even get introduced to the main character until you're a number of long chapters in. Everything before him, is just the long form version of "the neighboring kingdom underwent a succession, and they're unstable".
You've convinced me to read it. I unironically love fantasy histories.

>>23753783
Mercenary kino.

>new book from anthony ryan
>female mc
when will it end?

>>23753903
>tide (naval theme?)
>double sided war axe
It's gonna be vikings isn't it?

>>23753903
Why bother with this guy after he crashed and burned after Blood Song

>>23753903
So he has progressed from doing crusader-era military fantasy to doing viking era military fantasy... Actually I'm not even sure if you can call that "progress".

>>23753908
Cause literally nobody else is writing military fantasy based around late medieval religious wars. That's a very specific itch I need scratched.

>>23753903
I thought the mc was the son of the mc from the first series?

>>23753903
Seems like a brother/sister deuteragonist arrangement, but the sister gets top billing as the hero while the brother is cast more in an antihero / antagonist role. Actually similar to that series by Django Wexler I read, now that I think about it, but I trust Ryan won't have as much lesbian sex scenes.

>>23753903
Not like a male mc would be any less retarded. Scribe was a fucking dumbass.

>>23753903
>Covenant of Steel spinoff
>focused on the feminist vikings
ugh

I want to win a Hugo. What should I write?

>>23753945
I liked Scribe in the first book. He was stupid, sure, but in a very relatable way. His actions were motivated by spite and love, it was very endearing. In the last book, though, he just did whatever the plot required him to, even if it made no sense for his character. At some point Ryan gave up writing him as a person and turned him into a crude mannequin to drive the story in the direction he wanted.

>>23753943
>but I trust Ryan won't have as much lesbian sex scenes
What will I coom to then?

>>23753952
Alwyn's crisis of conscience regarding Evadine feels so forced that I am convinced an editor told him to do it.

>>23753951
Something that shits all over traditional gender roles while presenting a badly thought out alternative system as an ideal society with none of its logical flaws examined in any real depth. The villains are all regressive he-men who want to force everyone to submit to their brutal patriarchy, but one of them is secretly a flaming cock-sucking homo (be sure to include several scenes of graphic homo sex).

>>23753982
Positively Bakker-esque.

>>23753906
>>tide (naval theme?)
Lost me there. Fuck boat stories.

>>23753499
I don't make deals with xeno scum.

>>23753903
If this foid character is the weak one who utilize her wits to fight her enemies, then I probably gonna read this one. Ryan is one of the reliable fantasy author that we have right now, in the sea of magic-infused-porn writing women and sanderson comicbook prose, this guy knows how to write, but even then I will have to wait for a review from /sffg/ chuds about this book. I dont want to spend money on product where foids could wet and drown themselves on power fantasy about them

Ringworld was worse than I though it would be. As in it had less science and more adventure. It was similar to the Raft.

Counter clockworld felt way more like scifi probably because it was shorter. So the plot filling was thinner between the scifi/theology sandwich.

>>23753783
Feist peaked here desu

>>23752674
i picture her as Tara Tainton

>>23754211
i read ringworld when i was 15 and was not ready for it. but nessus as a design and as a character captured my imagination and stayed with me for years, so while i didnt really like the book myself i give it points for that alone.

>>23754201
>Ryan is one of the reliable fantasy author that we have right now
things are that bad?

>>23754275
The others are john gwynne and mark lawrence, those are the only authors that comes to my head when we talk about current serious-non-reddit fantasy writer.
Is it really bad out there? Yeah, its worse than I thought. Porn romance fantasy self insert are dominating the market, eventually publisher will pander towards them, ao3 type of female author will get more spotlight in this market and the male author who actually have potential to write a good fantasy novel are giving up on their fantasy idealism and turn their heads towards litrpg and light novel slop market. There wont be any cool cinematic atmospheric prose or cool worldbuilding being brought up to life. So yeah, Its quite over for fantasy right now, idk about sci fi thoughbeit

>>23751561
Books 2 is the worst.

>>23748466
Ryah Cahill bound and broken reads like its the 2000s again

>>23754327
>>23754275
>Anthony Ryan
>John Gwynne
>Mark lawrence
What absolute garbage taste
>serious-non-reddit fantasy writer
I swear you never read their schlock

>>23754327
>idk about sci fi thoughbeit
Scifi died in the late 90's

>>23754351
I have read their early works, prince of thorns, blood song, malice, they are okay-ish, cant put them in the same level as the older senior fantasy author obviously. Their prose and styling are decent, their dialogue writing are not reddit-like, their biggest flaw was in the plot, but its fine overall, I mean compared to other fantasy author right now

>yfw Elder Scrolls is the biggest Western cultivation series

>>23753951
the most important thing is to use a pseudonym that suggests you're a black woman

>>23754268
The luck thing stuck with me, it's an interesting concept that I read in another novel called Reverend Insanity (a now banned Chinese progression fantasy with great world building). Of course the whole ringworld thing is the best idea of the book. The cat like alien was interesting but all I could think of is how furries would ruin it if it become popular. I might read the second book since it was short.

>>23754628
>chink webslop
Stopped reading right there

Holy fucking snore
BTAH>BSC>TBI>LAOK>TH>>>>>>>RC
It's like an entire Ferro POV book

Just Part 1
Did this guy just get intimidation-raped by a fat pig?

>>23754797
Just finished* part 1

>>23753276
wow who knew listening to words being spoken with gravitas takes way way longer than just reading them

>>23754751
this is the dumb frontier western one right? truly bizarre choice by abercrombie

Is there any proof to this black/female domination of awards and publishing deals? Or is it just cope.

Can Hyperion be read as a standalone novel?
I like when the story begins and ends within the same book.

>>23754828
Bit of column A, bitbof column B

>>23754949
Not at all, it ends on a cliffhanger. You need to read Fall of Hyperion to finish it off.
But the following two Endymion books can be safely left in the trash where they belong.

>>23754949
Yes, and it should. The sequels are all just midichlorian shit that suck the soul and mysticism from the first

>>23754751
You're gonna wish for more red country by the time you're done with the 2nd trilogy

>>23755196
Is it bad?

>>23754636
Cool I just mentioned it since it also had that as an element, that shit is better then the average fantasy novel. Why you acting like an anti intellectual redditor in /lit/? I dare you to read it you illiterate cretin. If you do and you drop it you can say you read the best in the medium and it was shit so the entire medium is shit and nobody would be able to refute you.

How do you "show not tell" at the beginning of your novel when it comes to the history of the world?
I don't want to have a prologue.
The best idea I have is to create a dialogue where a character tells the main character the true history of the world

>>23755294
Why does the reader even need to know the history of the world? Why does the protagonist? You're looking for an excuse to dump exposition in a wall of text which is the opposite of what you should be doing.

>>23755294
Is there a specific reason why you need the reader to know the whole history of the world at the start? If not, you can just feed it to them gradually throughout the book as needed.

>>23755235
Worse, its 'modern'

I'm looking for an Epic Fantasy series set in the modern world. Something with long journeys to fulfill some quest, larger than life heroes, and Big Bads that threaten the entire world.

>>23751084
Intelligent, highly socialized, probably has a good education, you could also make her the rogue due to having to deal with aristocratic politics, assassinations, etc. Lockpicking as a skill isn't as unrealistic as you might think, it's pretty easy.

>>23755294
>How do you "show not tell" at the beginning of your novel when it comes to the history of the world?
I saw such a thing only in The Fellowship of the Ring.

>>23754578
Yeah, I've always found that funny
the Psijics are literally archetypal xian cultivators and all the Walking Ways are different methods of cultivation

>>23755307
How many quips?

>>23755361
"modern" means pronouns, misandry, and white bashing

>>23755294
This isn't a writing thread. Come back when you're published.
>>23746959 #

>>23755374
not that anon, but
what if I am published? what then big boy?

>>23755303
>>23755306
The MC lives in a country that controls all sources of information and have lied about its past. The state was formed hundreds of years ago by genocides and fear, but citizens now think it was formed by all different groups coming together to form a powerful state for all. The story starts with the MC getting hired for a government job where he has to help fight the rebels, but no one knows that there are rebels to begin with. He can't just be told "there are rebels" and not ask questions about the past

>>23755374
>/wg/
They hate genre fiction

>>23755386
it's literally one retard in the thread that does nothing but seethe a bout le heckin genreslop
he's been doing it for years because he got shit on when he posted his own allegedly-litfic dogshit

>>23755382
That premise is utterly idiotic. "Nobody knows there are rebels", How do they recruit? How do they get supplies? They're obviously not very good rebels considering the entire point of being a rebel is to incite rebellion, and doing that means you need to make a lot of noise.

>>23755382
It sounds to me like discovering the truth should be (part of) what the MC's story is about, not something that is explained in depth in a prologue or the first chapter.
Maybe the government tells him a convenient lie at the start but then he gradually finds out?

>>23755401
>That premise is utterly idiotic
It's not. I have an answer for every question you asked, but it doesn't matter now

>>23755386
>>23755394
This. It's just one person, maybe a few. There are at least as many that hate litfic.

>>23755307
you really can see how the fantasy publishing industry has changed when you read his two trilogies back to back

>>23755437
Its not the publishers, its the retarded authors listening to twitter and reddit. They were shitting on joe for ferro, so he went all in on that progressive kool aid, and after all that pretty much everyone agrees his best work is the first trilogy and his movie is on hold never to see the light of the day. Ill read his new book and if its the same shit ill just drop him for good.

>>23755364
Oh. That's not quite as bad then.

>No matter how sweet and innocent your leading characters, make awful things happen to them -- in order that the reader may see what they are made of.

Any good media (doesn't have to be books) with competent villain getting under skin of heroes? Not grimdark. I guess the closest thing would be Slade and Terra from Teen Titans or what happens to characters in Evangelion.

>>23755382
oy vey shut it down

>>23754211
Ringworld is an awful book with a few great ideas

>>23755507
The Children of Hurin

>>23754211
I haven't read Ringworld but I read some of Niven's short stories and I was kinda disappointed, I thought he was supposed to be a good SF author.

>>23754357
its depressing checking the science fiction section of my local book shop and seeing that its full of nothing but old books
i know some will view that as a good thing, but i wish there were good new stories

>>23755239
RI hasn't been the best by a fucking country mile in a good while
but knowing you'll want me to point at something concrete, Regressor's Tale of Cultivation

>>23755599
I've been trying to go through Wingchell Chun's recommendations on the Atomic Rockets site, seems to be as good a way as any to find the hidden gems. But it's a bit of a roller coaster. He seems to be more concerned with the scientific accuracy in these books than the themes or the literary merits. If the space physics and the radiators are correct then he doesn't care if the rest of the book is monkeys raping babies by Heinrich Himmler written in trochaic tetrameter. Which is fine, I guess, scientific accuracy is what his site is about.

There's some really weird stuff there, not all of it is good, but almost none of it leaves me cold.
The last one I read was the Devon Eriksen book (see my semi-review above) I liked it even if the author is a weirdo. Another one I liked was Semper Mars by Ian Douglas but that's from the 90s which I guess makes it "old". Raven's Peace by Glynn Stewart was typical wokeslop with pronouns and all that it implies but otherwise not the worst thing I've read.

https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/atomicnovel.php
https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/sealofapproval.php

Really? A love triangle? Come on.

>>23750842
I've been trying out the whole western haremlit thing after never touching it until a few months ago. Paladin of the Sigil happened to be the first (besides a one off book I read) and it's a pretty strong read for the most part, though I'd say book 3 is the weakest one and 2's pacing wasn't that good for its first half or more. The harem expands but it never gets so big that it overwhelms the story and the plotline is actually pretty solid throughout with a rather competent and powerful main villain. The world building isn't half bad either.

At the moment I'm finishing up Fostering Faust which starts as something a bit more unique, but I feel like it got worse in each subsequent novel and 3 is the biggest step down of the bunch.

I might at least try some others at some point to hopefully find something on Paladin's level or better because my book options are pretty lackluster these days.

>haremlit
>chinkshit
>litrpgs
>web novels
as bad as things are, ill never lower myself to reading this muck

>>23751561
At least it's finishing with what seems to be the second best cover, which ironically enough has Dalinar again. 2 seems weirdly amateurish and 3 is a bit unexciting besides Jasnah, but 4 is solid

>>23755666
I enjoy watching you suffer, satan. Please keep us updated.

>>23753849
I bounce off of all of GGK's books. I'd like to like them, but I don't seem to.

>>23753818
They're certainly his best books by far.

>>23753910
His Draconis Memoria series was fairly good, but everything else of his that I've tried besides Blood Song is crap so he's a complete coin toss.

>>23750915
>KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
these are the kinds of people who read sanderson books

>>23748839
But an anon is way below an average man.

>>23755766
here's that (You) you special little boy

Singularity's Ring anyone?

>>23754327
Mark Lawrence is a literal reddit poster. I swear you retards only see what you want to see.

>>23751349
"Homo Awards" implies a man won the award. That hasn't been the case in nearly a decade. The Hugo Awards committee have been handing out participation trophies to niggers and women only.

New thread!
>>23756730
>>23756730
>>23756730
New thread!

>>23751561
Literally what is people's problem? It's Dalinarkino with a cool pose, what else do you want?

>>23749971
>Daniel Black
It's pretty entertaining. It's no Prince of Nothing, but sometimes you just want simple fun.