/lit/ - Literature

thanks for the information

She would be the perfect woman if she wasn't so ugly.

>>2374459
>actually reading
Nope.

>>2374459
Marilyn Monroe was actually very intelligent.

>>2374484

just like Sasha Grey, right?

merry joycemas fellow scholar.

> one of the few threads giving information rather than requesting it on /lit
> this post has no replies
> why

I have a vague feeling the comment on the Monroe picture is some sort of troll. Oh well.

She probably skipped straight to the last chapter to get off to.

Derpididerpididoo derp derp Snooky, The attached picture is related; it's Snooky reading, yes reading, not pretending to read. DERP DERP

why was there no girls equivalent of the beatles to teach boys about love?

>>2374519

We had ~Emily Dickinson~.

>>2374519

the Beatles taught girls everything about love and nothing about boys.

>>2374519
All men are rapists.

>>2374507
not really, Sasha Grey does the whole "I'm a sex fiend who's also smart." angle to lure in more people.
Manroe actually realized men don't like smart women, or at least found them intimidating.
She was actually very well read and not a lot of people knew that about her.

http://www.thewriterscoin.com/marilyn-monroe-and-ulysses/

>>2374551
>one of the all-time toughest/”greatest” books out there:

>implying Ulysses is tough
>"greatest" in quotes

Reported to the DHS.

I'm like halfway through but schoolwork is really blocking me from devoting any time to it. I've read Islands in the Stream as something lighter just to take a small mental break from it.

If Marilyn Monroe can read it, then I sure as hell can.
Thanks OP I'll get back to reading now

she isn't actually reading it

I love that picture of yours, OP. It's a dumb bitch that happened to become an icon because of one of those twists in media and politics and death, in a playground, in childish clothes, but showing her sexy thighs anyway. But she has that look in her face in which it seems she doesn't understand, not only the book but all else that is going the fuck on. And Ulysses, in that simple cover, opened in the last pages in a way that combined with her eyes seems as if she opened the book, read a few lines and then skipped to the end to see what she would make of it, but she can't even begin to grasp, it's completely alien to her. And Ulysses divides people up, not in good or bad or clever and dumb, but I mean, it's already a piece that among those who read may be taken as absolute crap or a fantastic piece, usually the later. And that difference is a reflection of the main difference between the modern and the classic. And Monroe is modern, but modern in the most shallow sense of the word, contemporary, but in a way that she wouldn't have been known if she was born 50 years earlier. It's not her merit, its society's. Society was modern, but she was not, she was just thrown into it. So there you get a sunny afternoon with nothing to do, this half-princess half-whore girl, symbol of a generation that is modern, but also rejects the modern, reading a book that is modern but doesn't make a noise to those who are not interested in reading at all. I don't know, it's just a fantastic picture.

I don't care I'm still not reading Joyce's self satisfying wankfest.

wow, look at all the bitter little nerds mad that someone pretty and successful enjoys the same books as them.

>>2374599

yeah dude, let's bounce

fuck these nerds.

>>2374536
Children love Sasha Grey. And not only children, if you get my drift...

>>2374599
It explains why they all hate me.

>>2374599
It's the neckbeard. When it latches onto its prey, the asphyxiation brought on by strangulation leads anons to become bitter and not think clearly.

I'm re-reading at the minute.

Up to Hades.

Happy Birthday James.

>It must be a fearfully lecherous thing to see a girl with her clothes up frigging furiously at her cunt, to see her pretty white drawers pulled open behind and her bum sticking out and a fat brown thing stuck half-way out of her hole
>James Joyce

>>2374618
d'aww
if they only knew what she does for a living better question, why did the teachers even choose her to read to kids, out of all people?

>>2374658
Male teacher?
She's reading at her level.

>>2374459
People just read more books 50 years ago, even stupid blondes. Today we are showered with extreme amounts of information and can't be bothered. Deal with it.

>>2374657

>>2374599
You must have given that naughty little cunt of yours a most ferocious frigging to write such a disjointed comment.

"White wine is like electricity. Red wine looks and tastes like a liquified beefsteak" - The greatest Joyce quote ever. It truly describes the experience.

What makes you say she's actually reading? The fact that she brought a cameraman to a park to take pictures of her while she read?

>>2375130
Is JFK just a camera man to you now?

No verifiable evidence she is really reading. Most people don't read in playgrounds, and if they do they don't read in bikini's. I have my suspicions that she is posturing to pander to the false claim that woman can be intelligent

>>2375334
I don't know, man, you can say "the woman in that picture is not captured in the realistic act of of reading the book depicted" without saying "clearly it's to perpetuate the false claim that woman aren't always dumbies"

>>2375334

That's not a bikini.

>/lit/ thinks that Monroe was a cunt
>/lit/ honestly doenst think that a woman can read Joyce

>>>/r9k/

>>2375342
Why are you mad? Monroe was a cunt. Lucky girl, preety, dumb, used by everyone.

I think women can read Joyce. I don't think Monroe could though, not because she "wouldn't get it", but because she wouldn't even be interested in it.

>>2375342
>>2375350
I wouldn't say "cunt" because that's crude and unnecessarily vicious, but Marilyn Monroe was kind of incredibly stupid. She's famous for not being able to remember her lines or deliver a good take AT ALL.

>>2375342
>>2375338
>being a female
>thinking that your species is intelligent
D'aww it's so cute when they make opinions, sweet, frail creatures.

In 11th grade my English teacher, who inspired my love of literature and writing, made us write a paper about the picture. It's stuck in my head for a while and will continue to do so for a while.

Ulysses? more like USELESS!

>>2375361
WOMAN - KNOW YOUR LIMITS!

>>2375361

don't post on /lit/ tia hun :-*

>>2375364
Is that DFW?

1. Marilyn Monroe was not an idiot. She was a drunk.

2. She was married to Arthur Miller, who I'm sure guided her reading list more than a little bit.

3. This photo was supposedly taken during a break at a photo shoot. This explains the bikini in the playground. She read while the photo crew reset, etc.

Why is this a point of contention.

>>2375398

>not an idiot

you do realize this is a female were talking about...

Here's something interesting to read about her.

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2011/01/men-are-climbing-to-moon-but-they-dont.html

>>2375398
This is the problem with being famous. Everyone is not what they look like. I'm sure some book from the 26th century will say Monroe was in fact a japanese man clarinet player communist with a thing for the surreal.

>>2375440
You had me until the surreal bit. Rather farfetched, don't you think?

>>2375368
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

>>2375420
>"This book disturbs me very much in a way one should be disturbed for these things --after all."

I quite liked that.

>>2375420
Impressive.

>>2376573
What book is that

>>2374484
>>2374507
I'm sure they are/were more intelligent than most celebs, though I don't suppose they have enough intelligence to take up an academic position or whatever. They could have interesting conversations as far famous people go

>>2376580
...Atonement. Can you not read?

>>2376573
sexy girls reading thread?

>>2376591
you mean this? Can I not read this? No, no I cannot read this. Sorry.

>>2376592
Yeah, that's hot.

>>2376601
That's not hot.

>>2376601
>breasts


Gerontophile detected

..Fuck it, I'd still lick her feet.

>>2374618
I prefer her maternalism and intellect than her porn/. She said she wanted to invigorate the genre. but her films are rather mundane. Wow she drinks her piss and takes it up the ass. try a western version of 2 girls one cup and maybe ill be impressed

>>2376737
I don't think that that is the way forward. Okay, I get the subtle interplay between corrupting something and owning something; what is needed is to redefine the porn narrative. Another 2G1C is not going to do that.

>>2374658
children aren't as judgemental as adults.

and she was chosen because she's always been advocate for children's literacy. her profession is irrelevant to that and she is a proper film star now. she did porn because she's was a selfconfessed pervert in her youth. she probably grew out of it, a bit.

>>2376744
>children aren't as judgemental as adults.
ya cuz children don't fucking know anything.
also you are an idiot if you actually think that.

>>2376746
fuck off, moralfag. your opinions are tainted and therefore worthless.

>>2376753
go lick toiletbowls you filthy degenerate

>>2376756
how prejudiced of you. at least now the children can grow up with the open-mindedness to appreciate someone's efforts without their views getting warped by 'OH NOES SHE'S A PORNOGRAPHY ACTRESS!!!'

every single person has many facets to their personas. You can appreciate someone in one respect without heralding everything they do as a triumph.

Prejudice is not a bad thing, it's something natural that we shouldn't try to extinguish. In fact, trying to extinguish it is to feed an illusion that one can live without it and that might bring a collateral effect on how we use our prejudices, which is what really matters.

Being judgemental is what keeps the world spinning. What we should avoid is to attach ourselves to these judgements in detriment of new things perceived, new experiences.

>>2376793

>>2376793
Also: by calling it "prejudice" they pretend the underlying assumption that it is baseless or somehow incorrect.

DON'T BE A FOO

STAY IN SCHOOL

GET BRAIN.

Guys, since you all hate women so much, wouldn't it be prudent of a woman author to write under a male pen name if she wants respect?

Or are we past those days?

>>2378790
If ever I'm published I plan to use my initials.

>>2378790
Protip: many more women read than men do currently. The few men readers might tend to favour more high-brow, more difficult literature, but women are buying and sharing literature at a staggeringly higher rate. It's the age of Oprah. You'd do better to publish under a female pseudonym if you want to sell and be read widely.

>>2374551

>I think that anyone who says they get it is just trying to show off the way people do when they claim they’ve read Remembrance of Things Past by Marcel Proust.

QFT and because it's THIS thread.

>>2374658

The parents threw an absolute shit-fit as I recall. Mainly the female ones. Fucking tightcunt bitches were terrified of a real woman.

I couldn't give fewer fucks if I tried. Sasha's fucking awesome.

>>2375356
>>2375356

>She's famous for not being able to remember her lines or deliver a good take AT ALL.

That's not true at all. When she worked on The Prince and The Showgirl, she was so intimidated by the presence of Olivier that she "famously" worked so hard on her performance and method that Olivier had to tell her to dial it down a little.

She was an actress limited by typecasting, but there's nothing to even indicate that she was stupid away from the movies. She fucked Einstein and Miller: she wasn't just a cooze.

>>2378796
The problem is, women don't read real literature. Few people do in these sad days.

>>2378875

You sound like a pretentious, half-educated old man of 55 years old.

Famous people are really smart, or do you think that any idiot can be famous and rich? No, it takes a lot of work. People in power and in important positions know that they need to keep their brain in shape, if they want to maintain or raise their positions, the same amount of work that took them where they are.
I would expect people like Madonna, Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, Angelina Jolie and many others famous artists to be exceptionally well read.

>any idiot can be famous and rich?

not _any_ idiot, but there are a lot of idiots out there in medialand. Sometimes fame anf fortune is merely a product of pure luck.

>>2378886
I do not know who that person is, but I certainly would not consider him an idiot because of the way he dresses, especially if he is someone famous.

>>2376793
Contemporary liberalism honors diversity and tolerance above all, but what it calls by those names is different from what has been so called in the past. Its diversity denigrates and excludes ordinary people, and its tolerance requires speech codes, quotas, and compulsory training in correct opinions and attitudes. Nor do current liberal totems and tabus have a clear connection with letting people live as they wish. Prohibitions, both grand and petty, multiply. To outsiders the rules often seem simply arbitrary: prayer is forbidden while instruction in the use of condoms is required; smoking and furs are outrages, abortion and sodomy fundamental rights.

Many of these oddities can be explained by reference to the specific understanding of tolerance held by contemporary liberals. "Tolerance" is traditionally understood procedurally, to mean letting people do what they want. Contemporary liberals understand it substantively, to require equal respect as a fact of social life. These understandings are radically inconsistent. As a political matter, procedural tolerance calls for laissez-faire, while substantive tolerance requires pervasive administrative control of social life. A regime that adopts substantive tolerance as its goal must be intolerant procedurally because it must control the attitudes people have toward each other, and any serious attempt to do so will require means that are unforgiving and despotic.

>>2378875
In the three or four civilized European countries, one can in a few centuries educate women to be anything one wants, even men--not in the sexual sense, of course, but certainly in every other sense. At some point, under such an influence, they will have taken on all male virtues and strengths, and of course they will also have to take male weaknesses and vices into the bargain. This much, as I said, one can bring about by force. But how will we endure the intermediate stage it brings with it, which itself can last a few centuries, during which female follies and injustices, their ancient birthright, still claim predominance over everything they will have learned or achieved? This will be the time when anger will constitute the real male emotion, anger over the fact that all the arts and sciences will be overrun and clogged up by shocking dilettantism; bewildering chatter will talk philosophy to death; politics will be more fantastic and partisan than ever; society will be in complete dissolution because women, the preservers of the old custom, will have become ludicrous in their own eyes, and will be intent on standing outside custom in every way. For if women had their greatest power in custom, where will they not have to reach to achieve a similar abundance of power again, after they have given up custom?

>>2378894
He's from Jersey Shore, I think.

>>2378900
This.

I mean, he calls himself "The Situation." He's fucking retarded, and he probably does not dress himself.

>>2378894


He's from a "reality" show - MTV pointed a camera at a bunch of douchebags for a few months and now they're all famous as fuck. I've never seen the show, but even I know that he's called the situation and the fat bird is called snooky.

They're not clever or talented - if they were, there would be no show. People seem to enjoy it because everyone can look down on these scum.

I don't believe that Miley Cyrus is particularly intelligent or works to maintain her brain or her position.

She has a famous father, ans appeals to paedophiles, as far as I can see.

Ditto Paris Hilton, but without the paedophile bit. Although I have to admit that I would fuck that wonky-eyed bitch till her arse bled. She's not very physically attractive, but I'd still like to.

>>2378921
>Ditto Paris Hilton, but without the paedophile bit
wait what?

she's a pedo? she fucked a little boy?

>>2378930

No, I meant that she doesn't appeal to paedophiles like Miley Cyrus does.

She may have fucked a little boy though. Although it wouldn't surprise me if she bathes in their blood for anti-ageing purposes.

>>2374628
I don't hate Sara...

>>2378945
Sara looks like a dude.

>>2380296
Sara's cute as fuck.

>>2380954
Sara looks like a tranny.
>dat masculine chiseled jaw

>>2380958
>dat masculine jaw
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