/lit/ - Literature

That's quite a noble way of life OP.
as long as you are not a pedo

I would love to teach children about logic, and critical thinking. I could have little philosophy games, and do basic pre-platonic philosophy. I honestly think that critical thinking should be taught to children as young as 5.

Key phrase there being "attempting to".

You'll get about 1/100. If even that. I'm not a teacher, but I've interned as a teacher's aid in a middle school. It wasn't pretty.

>>2364265
1-8 year old kids are easier to teach because they haven't been as exposed to the world as much as older children have been. Not op by the way.

Primary school is babysitting, nothing more.

>>2364271
That would be my goal. Roughly 8 year olds.

>>2364263
I think so too, but it's only preety in theory. When we are talking about school system as varied as we have today you're going to get a philosophy class for kids and a dumb teacher can scar their brains for life with some bs, it's just too easy for that to happen. I think it would be cool, but the teacher would need to be absolutely perfect in every way, on how to deal with children, not a biased faggot, not religious, not narrow minded, know about method, be kind, patient... Damn it, it's already hard to teach children the usual stuff.

I never taught children, but I probably will someday. I worked in museums with children though, which is hard as fuck, I take an art know-it-all wise ass over a pack of kids any day. Just kidding, it's much more rewarding with kids, and in a museum you have the advantage of the works doing the job for you and taking their attention. My main goal there, as well as the other fellows who worked with me, was to make them see and feel above anything else. And they always leave in awe, even the tough ones. They also make the best questions.

>>2364272

i teach 11th grade. now THAT'S babysitting

>>2364300
>>2364263
>>2364263
I think they should at least be taught basic logic at the least

RAPE THEM!!! RAPE THEM!!! RAPE THEM!!!

>instill love of reading
Whyyy do we have to Silas Marner, GOSHHHHH.
Why don't we just watch movies since it's the same thing
You know we are just going to use sparknotes so why are you trying?

OP, have you been around kids whatsoever in the last few years?

They've collectively gotten worse. We thought it was a big deal when someone said Hell as a kid. Now it's streams of cuntfuckweed for daily language.

>mfw naive idealists think that teaching is like that ryan gosling movie they saw that one time

How about no

>>2364257

>I think I could dedicate my life to attempting to instill a love of reading in small children.

I wish one of my teachers would have been like that. In fourth grade, I scored a 16.9 on the reading and comprehension grade level assessment test, which means college graduate level. All the teacher had to offer was an uninterested pat on the back. It would have been really nice if she had told me that I had done exceptionally well and that it would be in my best interest to read the most challenging books I could find. The incompetant bitch also had us rip out the pages of the evolution chapter from our science books at a later date.

I didn't fall in love with reading until I was 20, when I read A Clockwork Orange and 1984 back to back, and needless to say I had a lot of catching up to do.

>>2364474
>mfw this is the only Ryan Gosling movie I've seen
>mfw and yes it is

>>2364516
I had the same experience all the way up to high school until grade 10 when a teacher noticed my interest in reading, and recommended me a bunch of literature to look into.

>>2364263
>>2364271
>>2364300
It'd be easy to get them interested in it when they're young. Only thing that would really go against it, would be their parents.

even if you're some sorta dynamite, black-jesus, wunderkind teacher—maxed out in all your sensai stats—then you might look to raise the number of kids in an 18-student class who develop a personal love for reading, from a typical 5/18, to maybe 7/18—maybe 8/18 if you have a really good hand-puppet sidekick.

It sucks for the two anons who had teachers who didn't nurture their reading. Not only did most of mine do that for me, but by the time I was in 8th grade (and had a very high reading level), I was discussing and trading novels with my italian teacher. I had also joined both the middle school and high school book clubs.

I went to school in Jersey - maybe it's just the schools you guys went to.

>>2364538
>Only thing that would really go against it, would be their parents.
Media.
Other kids.
Kids own assertion of will and identity.

>>2364257

Just remember this:

For boys: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian

For girls: Lolita

>>2364552
Other kids probably couldn't care less what other kids are being taught.

Actually I think should have said, "traditionalists", instead. Since the media, most parents, and the school board, all fall under that umbrella.

>>2364474
If only ;__;

>>2364577
>Other kids probably couldn't care less what other kids are being taught.
Did you go to school? Are you able to understand other's feelings if so?

>>2364614
>other's
>*others'

>>2364614
What schools did you go to where the kids ridiculed other kids based on their classes?

>>2364638
>ridiculed
Woah woah, don't bring your own emotional baggage in here. But pretending that kids don't care about differences in how they're treated (or at least don't react to them) is a little weird.

>>2364652
Elementary through middle-school kids will have the same classes other than maybe home Ec, and art classes. High school is chosen classes, so everyone has a choice, not to mention they would be mature enough that they wouldn't tease each other. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at now.

>>2364669
>tease each other
Do you have issues from school or something? The threat of "teasing" is not the only form of coercion you know. The idea that you will be able to make kids read or do philosophy or whatever is itself a form of coercion, as is the education system in general. While personally I don't disagree with the idea of teaching kids things like philosophy from a young age, I do disagree with people posturing about how things should be done and pretending the school environment is some weird, rose tinted ideal.

I'm gonna bring this to light again.

no point forcing it. that never works with any hobby or interest. just provide for them and let them go about their little lives.

My boyfriend's a high school literature teacher. He only teachers 4 people because everyone dropped it after year 11. He says he likes the open discussions but sometimes there's always that one student who says something so fucking stupid that you want to choke him but are obligated to say 'hhmmm please elaborate'

He likes the job overall and says it's better than teaching in primary, coz really no one wants to read a book in year 6.

Dude, go for high school

>>2365563
But I want to do silly things.

Narrating books I read to the class with dreadful voices...
Giving each child in my class a book at the end of the year...
Having them act scenes from a book...
Asking the opinion of an 8 year old alone seems like fun, especially when I just hand him a poem and say "Read that, and tell me what you get from it."

It all sounds so damn wonderful...

>>2365567
omg that's so adorable.

ok now you have to become a teacher

Srop posting Humbert Humbert.

I'm home again, anon.

Some more thoughts?

(Who knows...maybe a teacher will finally drop by the thread)

>>2365567

Fucking go for it man. This sounds awesome. I'm sure you'd be a great teacher, and instilling a love of books in small kids is one of the best things you could do for them.

"Courage! Courage and love!"

Unrelated literary quote, but it is what I wish for you, OP.

>>2365567
What is it I said here that has everyone so enthused?

Go for it, OP.

I've worked with all sorts of students, from very young to college. Working with young students is great: they don't give you any lip, and everything is new to them, so they are very engaged and enthusiastic. The only problem is that teaching jobs are scarce, so you might have to move around if you want to teach.

>>2364516
>that feel

I was lucky enough to find my sister's boyfriend's copy of The Last Don at around 10 or 11 then got bought LoTR, Harry Potter and Philip Pullman because I was a bespectacled little faggot. If there was one teacher in my shitty little school who could have spent time or given me some books, or anyone at all to push me. Then again I've caught up like a fucking boss so fuck them all

I went to a really bad school that basically put most of their effort and small funds into keeping the bad kids happy/in class, rather than push the bright kids, who mostly turned into emos or turned their back on education. I've always entertained the idea of being this really cool teacher who transforms the whole school and has kids in during lunchtime and eventually fucks one or two of them on the last day of them leaving, but I know after a month or so I would probably be treated with the same indifference and animosity as teachers were treated in my school

Getting kids hooked on reading is easy, the hard part is to help them develop and stay interested.

One problem I experienced, was not a lack of enthusiasm and "good will" from the teachers. It's just that the books you are supposed to read aren't all that interesting.

Like the time we where supposed to read Knut Hamsun (sult/hunger). Five out of twenty finished the damn book. The next book was "To Kill a Mockingbird." Almost the entire class finished the book before the set date.
The teachers who are making the curriculum need to get their head out of their asses and realize that sixteen year old boys want to read "Hunger Games", and the girls want to read "Twilight."

Elitist might say that the students need to read "socially important works of literature", but all they are left with is a general hate for the written language.
What's the worst thing that can happen, if a teenager reads a book he or she likes? That he will read another one from the same author?

My love of reading started when i was 12 years old and my father gave me a copy of Artemis Fowl. I'm nineteen years old now, and reading "Romance of the Three Kingdoms."

OP is a pedo. I can smell it.

>>2366546
I wasn't going to say anything, but he does seem a little pedo-ish.

>>2366767
It's something about the way he types, isn't it?

>>2366546
>>2366767
>>2366819
>I think I could dedicate my life to attempting to instill a love of reading in small children.
>dedicate my life to attempting to instill love in small children

>>2366825
You might be onto something.

>>2366819
i think i actually agree with this anon

his typing seems (this is going to sound stupid) pedo-y

i assume op is gone but tell me im not crazy

>>2366471
not hunger games, not really...
but anyway, they just need to stop teaching filler books like daisy miller and silas marner. their just bloody boring and have a sappy plot and moral that could be explained just as easily without the permanent damage to their love of education. Cyrano de Bergerac, 1984, huck Finn (or anything twain really) and short books and then longer ones for amazing extra credit. Truly, some books just need to be eliminated from the curriculum, classic or no. I honestly can not tell you the moral of daisy miller. I read the novel twenty times over and I couldn't give you a satisfying answer beyond "holding a mans hand makes you a whore, apparently". Now, ayn rand is a different matter. her work is propaganda and the fact that my local highscools govt class is spending the entirety of the second semester reading it is moronic.

>>2366968

>>2367012
I like to think of myself as being a minor supporter of mutual caring and community mindfulness. not much of a communist. I simply dislike Ayn Rand for being a hypocrite and an awful author. we are a communal species by nature, and a few shiny pieces of technology and a trip to the moon hasn't changed that.

nope not me Mr. McCarthy, not a single rusky here. That copy of the communist manifesto is not mine!

>>2367027

>>2367027
>2012
>still stupid enough to believe in "red scare"

Yo, gimme a sandwich.

>>2367027
I'm an anarchist and I just think Ayn Rand is a cunt for being a hypocritical author who inspires very unproductive behavior among our own species. We, society, are only as strong as the weakest member.

>>2364516

Pretty much this. I achieved 100% on the lexile test (NZ/Ausfags know what I'm talking about) when I was in middle school. Didn't start reading much until 1984 at 16 though.

>>2364577
>>2364538
It's harder than it looks like, pal. They are not an empty bucket and at that age you always have to go for the emotional. Teaching young kids is hard as fuck, this is no news.

>>2367185

>only as strong as our weakest member
>only as strong as a quadriplegic tard
>only as strong as a vegetable confined to a hospital bed

If you believe this shit for a moment, you're retarded. I don't like Rand, but this is insane.

Bumping before I leave for the day.

I love /lit/.

I think I could dedicate my life to attempting to instill my love in small children, OP.

>>2364257
>Anyone here a primary school teacher?

implying anyone on /lit/ is not either unemployed, a barista at Starbucks, or a student in law school, the latter soon to become either or a Starbucks barista

>>2368403
>the latter soon to become either or a Starbucks barista
Did you just accidentally the word "barrister" and spoil your joke?

>>2368403
Certainly 4chan is mainstream enough for every walk of life to stumble into it...

Yo, yo?