/lit/ - Literature

Jack Vance is the greatest author in the genre

What's the worst thing /sffg/ has recommended you?

>>23515104
Name of the Wind

>>23515085
I only know this name in association with Gene Wolfe, as someone Wolfe said he was inspired by

>>23515104
sun eater

What are some fantasy with a lot of wandering through abandoned or sparsely populated ancient cities? Already got Malazan

>>23515140
"Trollslayer" has this feeling.

Also the Dying Earth genre.

>>23515140
The Silmarillion

>>23515076
It's a character psychological thriller set in the near...zZz...

>>23515111
>>23515123
sffg is contrarian for contrarians sake

>>23515085
true that

>>23515085
I've read Dying Earth, Cudgel's Saga, Rhialto, Planet of Adventure, and Demon Princes. Oh yeah, and Moon Moth. Is there any /Vancecore/ I'm missing? Demon Princes was alright, but on the verge of schlock

>>23515291
Lyonesse and Bad Ronald

>>23515291
Lyonesse
Dragon Masters
then read micheal sheas dying earth stuff

>>23515140
Conan basically invented this

Quarantine was a little underwhelming. The exploration of the quantum observer effect was neat and all but it was something I'd already considered previously and didn't feel as exotic as some of the ideas Egan explored in other novels. Also, as much as I enjoy the ruminations of Egan's characters describing their thought process, I think the main character here was a bit inconsistent and even redundant sometimes. One moment he'd "understand" that the uncollapsed state isn't a continuum of individual states but an amalgam of possibilities and the next moment he'd still think about alternate individual selves and their actions. It was a bit jarring. I enjoyed it but it was no Permutation City.

>>23515104
Heart of Bronze by Matt Stover. That shit was worse than Bakker.

Thoughts on Stephen Donaldson's Gap Cycle?

>>23515506
It's superb, if you're not to squeamish to get through the rather brutal first book.

To the anon that told me to push on with Way of Kings in the last thread. I read the interlude preceeding part III. Finally a semblance of plot only 690pgs to be fufilled

>>23515506
Very cruel but extremely compelling, I really like the idea Donaldson had of using traditional story roles and shifting them as the series progresses. In book one we have our Victim, Villain and Rescuer and by the time book five wraps up the Victim is now the Rescuer, the Villain is now the Victim and the Rescuer the Villain. It also pushes the boundaries of how far you as a reader are willing to sympathize with a monster turned Victim in spite of all he did at the start. Good shit I highly recommend them.

I want to buy Kushiel's Dart and the Black Company, are these good fantasy books?
First I want for romance. The second I want for dark fantasy.
Found a cheap old print translated version of the Black Company, might buy it instead of the English version for the cover (picrel)

Lurker here. Not as classically informed as I should be, but I come to you guys in a time of need. Basically, I tend to find promising novels disappointing; they seem to be long-winded, lack engaging interiority, read like essays, or be written through a collage of clichés. While I could revisit an annotated classic, I'm growing weary of Jonathan Swift, and old-reliables such as H.G. Wells no longer enthuse me. Rama, my beloved, is also lacking in character to serve the ideas and plot. Lately, I tried reading the Witcher series, but I disliked how they were translated into English. I've also dabbled into Magical Realism, but too many tales are short stories with an esoteric aura that I've read to death. Likewise, they are also always translated from another language into English, affecting the flow. Are their any books of substance like The Road that had premises like Relic, Jurassic Park, Witcher, and even The Last Unicorn? I'm not even looking for a dense epic like Tolkien, just exciting stories that are of literary quality beyond fitting their genre's conventions? Here's a rudimentary list I've made of some things I've read if you feel they might give you an idea:

Relic (Preston & Child)
In Cold Blood (Capote)
The Handsomest Drowned Man in The World (Garcia Lopez)
Jurassic Park (Crichton)
The Last Unicorn (Beagle)
Gulliver's Travels (Swift)
Waiting for the Barbarians (Coetzee)
Victory Lap (Faulkner)
An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge (Bierce)
Hunting For Hope (Scott R. Sanders-- Not fiction, but what a great writing style!)

Sorry if I'm being a needy bitch. I don't like asking to be spoonfed, but with where I am in my life, a good book to satisfy would go a long way.

>>23515719
>Are their any books of substance like The Road that had premises like Relic, Jurassic Park, Witcher, and even The Last Unicorn?
Don't know of any books like that, but considering the books you listed, you might like pic-related.

>>23515291
>>23515085
The charter? And the grant in perpetuity?

>>23515426
The Xeelee Sequence has a canonical 'ultimate observer merges all timelines into one healthy timeline' True Ending.
>tfw you have to read hard sci-fi to see weird visual novel-y concepts presented

>>23515076
I'm looking for a book about time travel to the middle ages.

>>23515943
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

>>23516013
Ones I haven't already read. I should have specified.

books would have been better if his apprentice was a boy

>>23516042
There's nothing wrong with always preferring boys to girls. It's Pride Month after all.

I just finished The Dragon Reborn. I don't know what to think about it. I'm glad that Perrin and Mat are getting more development but there's a severe lack of Rand and I don't really like all this vague dream shit. Plus the ending was completely predictable from the moment Rand fucked off to look for the sword.
Anyway, I'm on to book 4.

>>23515291
Dragon Masters and the Miracle Workers are great. They best show his favorite sci fi themes: future history and the loss/rediscovery of scientific thought.

>>23515719
>long-winded, lack engaging interiority, read like essays, or be written through a collage of clichés.
Maybe try Earthsea

>>23515943
Cross Time Engineer if you can handle a Mary Sue and Polish nationalism.

>>23516234
actually accurate

>>23515291

>>23516172
>if only sandersoi hadn't got his chubby digits on the last one.

>>23515719
Anything by Tim Powers. He reads exactly like Michael Crichton except he writes historical fantasy instead of techno-thrillers. For that matter, read the rest of Crichton's oeuvre.

You'll probably enjoy the historical fiction of Thomas Costain, Samuel Shellabarger, and Rosemary Sutcliffe, possibly the religious literature of Louis de Wohl, Sholem Asch, and Michael D. O'Brien. Also take a chance on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Sir Walter Scott. Stephen R. Lawhead is a potential option who compasses all of the above.

>>23515291
In order of quality:

Lyonesse
The Dragon Masters
Showboat World
Cadwal Chronicles
Alastor
Durdane
Maske: Theary

It's taken me six months to read half of the dragonbone chair. Should I keep trying?

>>23516766
you should read poul anderson's the broken sword. One and done and better than anything else

Read Tenebroum

>>>23516820

>>23515076
As per the ongoing vote in the /sffg/ Goodreads group, which is currently 85% yes with 62 total votes, the group bookshelf has been made publicly viewable. It's now possible for anyone to search what /sffg/ thinks about whichever book.

https://www.goodreads.com/group/bookshelf/1029811-sffg

It may be better to have this link in the OP instead. If no one else does I'll make the new thread and change it sometime, as I did with changing the mega link to the sff folder again.

>>23516831
How about you fuck off?

>>23516859
There's a poll for that. Have you voted in it yet?

>>23516859
pretty sure Yev's "should I fuck off?" poll failed

community fags need to die

>>23516864
Link?

>>23516876
https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/296984-choose-the-leadership-style

>>23516885
>Sorry, you don't have permission to view that poll
Pointless poll if /sffg/ anons cannot vote or even view the results.

>>23516911
There are currently 863 members.

>>23516914
I will post the results here when it's finished at the end of the month. As for the voting, it at least somewhat mitigates voting concerns to have it be members only.

>>23516885
>leadership
kill
your
self

>>23516921
As much I personally dislike hierarchies, there are limitations to horizontal organization. It's a necessary evil of circumstance. I'd prefer it not to be the case.

>As much I personally dislike hierarchies, there are limitations to horizontal organization. It's a necessary evil of circumstance. I'd prefer it not to be the case.

>>23516928
This isnt a hierarchy though? So kill yourself?

>863 members
>thread is still the same books over and over
as expected of normalfaggotry
grim

>>23516947
It's almost like those arent people itt

>>23516914
I remember there used to be around 100-150 unique IPs every thread when the IP counter was around. Lets say 200 /sffg/ anons. So where the fuck do the rest of your 863 group come from? It seems that you have brought these trash from other generals maybe even other boards. You claim to represent /sffg/ yet more 75% of your members have nothing to do with /sffg/

>>23516951
i am fully aware

>>23516952
Lurkers wouldn't show up in the IP count. Lots of people simply lurk without posting. DESU I barely bother posting most days anymore cause discussion here is mostly dead and thread is haunted by autistic spammers and shitposters.

>>23516952
>100-150 unique IPs
When was this? Because we've seen our resident most mental case (bakkerfag) eat bans and see 1/4th of posts vanish; and he's been shitting the thread up as hard as possible for at least four years.

I don't get why reviewfag annoys you people so much when none of you post anything worth reading in the first place

>>23516957
It'll be 5 years this november. You can pinpoint the exact moment in the archives when he started shitting up the threads.

>>23516956
>anon lurk on an anonymous board that does not require registration to post but they actively participate in a closed name fag group on goodreads
Yeah that makes sense

>>23516964
Just as you say: it costs nothing to lurk /sffg/, but the /sffg/ goodreads group is private so anonymous lurking is impossible. They join it to see reviews and discussions, my guess is probably fewer than 30 people do most of the posting in that group.

>>23516963
He is genuinely the first person in 16+ years of frequenting this gay website that I wish I could stab in the face over the internet. I abhor psychotics and narcissists.

>>23516966
>>23516956
saying 75% of the people itt are lurking is only something a tourist could think up

>>23516964
>genuinely believing the majority of users on this website come here for anonymity
oh sweet precious innocent summer child

>>23516980
Hilarious you say this when "lurk moar" is one of the oldest memes on this website, newfag.

>>23516966
I don't care. Keep your goodreads spam off /sffg/.

>>23516980
The nature of this site is you have no idea how many people are lurking. And I have no idea why you find it hard to believe when the number of lurkers is always significantly higher than the number of actual posters and always has been.

>>23516983
What's the reason they come here for then?

>>23516989
I'm not even a member of the group. I didn't care for the attitude of the posters associated with it when they first started advertising in these threads, so I told them to go piss up a rope.

>>23516986
SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT
YOU FUCKING LOSER

>>23516994
Currently? Because they got banned off reddit / twitter. Sad fact is most of the people now on 4chan are refugees from the normienet who only post here because they have nowhere left that will take them.

>>23516991
it has never been 75%, this is an unheard of figure on popular boards let alone this general.

>>23516994
because they can type (almost) any combination of characters and face zero repercussions for their petulant behavior
attention (see >>>/soc/ etc.)
22 mil unique IPs per month and in the late 2000s, it was in the top 100 Alexa rankings. hyper popular, invaded on multiple occasions by normalfags and newfags overall
lots of reasons

>>23517002
/b/ was getting millions of hits per month even in the 00s but its activity was not nearly that fast. Vast majority of people browsing /b/ did not post on it. You literally do not know anything about this site's history.

>>23516947
It's not my fault all the good books were released before the 2000's

>>23516966
Discussion is/was virtually non-existent. During the brief time I joined the group years back, multiple attempts at starting conversation ended in dead threads, and the one time I joined their discord (fool me once), there was an active conversation going on between multiple users where some bitch was venting about her relationships to some simps or whatever (fool me twice) could someone please explain to me why a book discussion forum needs channels or conversation venues for anything other than BOOK discussion
holy fuck i can't stand normalfags it's like when I play video games and every discord has an obligatory RL pics channel and 'memes' channel and other gay shit

>>23517004
>>>/***
stop v*ldemort posting

>>23517006
okay now do lit

>>23517015
I'm not aware of whatever obscurity you are referencing. what's real gay is the only v*ldy posting my brain correlates to is a now-irrelevant ASMRgirl

>>23517011
Because discord, reddit, goodreads are normalfag websites where you cannnot really say what's on your mind (just like IRL) you have to mind your words otherwise you will offend some retard and get banned

>>23517023
https://www.4chan.org/bans

>>23517070
You don't get banned for offending someone. Which is clearly what hr was talking about.

>>23517075
That's untrue. If you offend/annoy a lot of anons and several report you, you're much more likely to be banned.

>>23517078
No you're not.

>>23517082
As long as you remain obscure then you can get away with a lot. The more attention there is, the more enforcement there is. You probably aren't aware that when one anon went to the mods to solve the Bakker spam problem their solution was to have the thread constantly deleted for a quite a while. It's the same for organized crime. They don't like it when the police are more actively enforcing them because of some guy causing problems, so they get rid of them. What we need is more self-policing capability.

>>23517091
As long as you don't break the rules you can get away with anything. It's that fucking simple you retard. Now stop equivocating, anon CLEARLY SAID
>you have to mind your words otherwise you will offend some retard and get banned
So why the fuck did you bring up the fact that you can be banned like it has anything to do with what that anon said?

>>23517091
Spam is againt the rules. Mods didn't take action because someone was offended. You are being disengenuous.

>>23517100
>mods enforce the rules
newfag

>>23517103
>You are being disengenuous.

>>23517099
>>23517100
What does it matter if it's someone personally offended or not? If it's the same outcome it doesn't matter. Read the global rules, there's a lot in there about minding what you say.

>>23517106
not even him
your behavior reinforces your newfaggotry

>>23517002
>75%, this is an unheard of figure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

>>23517107
It matters because the outcome isnt the same. If you didn't break any rules, and offended someone, you don't get banned.

>>23517108
Your lack of argument reinforces the fucks I give

>>23517115
>You are being disingenuous

>>23517111
80% posters 20% lurkers

>>23517113
How would you offend someone here without breaking the rules?

>>23517117
jej

>>23517116
Niggers like you deserve to have needles lodged under your kneecaps. You know youre not saying anything.

>>23517118
By rudely disagreeing with them.

>>23517123
Being angry at how stupid you believe someone to be isn't the same as "offended", which usually has a moral or ethical component.

>>23517127
ywnbaw

>>23517130
I sure hope not. Thanks for the reassurance.

>>23517132
But you understand the point I was making? When I said disagree, I obviously meant in the specific capacity to offend. Not saying the earth is flat or some shit.

>>23517118
Narcissists cannot perceive perceptions other than their own and lose their mind when people disagree with them. Like the embarrassing newfag who thinks disingenuous means 'someone disagreed with me'.

>>23517138
This is embarassing for you.

>>23517133
Unfortunately I'm unable to reply to this properly without typing much more than I want to right now. All I'll say is that much of what is happening is imagined, on at least one side, if not both.

>>23517146
Twitter and it's consequences have been a disaster for online discourse

>>23515719
Try Darwinia by Robert Charles Wilson

>>23516234
quality lel

>>23515719
You should try Wolf and Dunsany if you haven't already

>>23516311
Oh baby, this is some of that "how do you come up with this shit" material.

Quick /sffg/! Is Julian May worth a read?

>>23517239
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=378639

>>23517239
One of the best SF writers ever. Start w/ the Pliocene Epic and read all 10 books in order. It's taken me over 6 years to get to the last book. They are every bit as epic as the word implies

>>23515719

go through the Lovecraft-Howard-Clark Ashton Smith trio of weird fiction writers. Fritz Leiber and Jack Vance were fine writers and you may find some interest in them.

Canticle for Leibowitz seems to have become more of a literarily appreciated sci-fi novel as well. Arthur C. Clarke, Robert Heinlein, Ray Bradbury, Isaac Asimoc, and the like are all decent shots to see if it's to your taste as they're the names that a lot of people think of as maybe being literature that isn't just genre fiction.

Roger Zelazny liked to fuck around with styles and whatnot. Try This Immortal or Lord of Light.

Leiber and Zelazny were shakespearean scholars/actors at one point in their lives. Might be worth checking their stuff out.

try looking through lists of the "classic" writers in sci-fi/fantasy. you may find some stuff that piques you.

Other assorted books I've heard of that may interest you.

Delany's Babel-17
Bester's The Stars my Destination
E R Edison's The Worm Ouroboros
A Merrit's The Moon Pool
Le Guin's work in general
Gene Wolfe's work
William Gibson

>>23517239
I read the first two or three books of the Pliocene Saga and thought it was okay. Cast is bloated and the plot is a bit loose

>>23517203
not really, it's a very simple allegory

>>23517633
>book 1

Almost done with the 4th books, shit keeps getting better and better. got completely filtered by the iron tangle design

>>23517724
based

>>23517768
>Dungeon cuck Carl
Oh how /sffg/ has fallen

>>23515140
Memory Sorrow and Thorn

>>23517948
Is there actually cuck shit in it?

>>23516831
This is more limited than I thought. Disappointing. It requires being signed into an account, though not being a member, to search. Not being signed in only allows seeing already added books, of which there are a lot, and direct links. That's too bad.

>>23517948
>nooooo you cant talk about books here, you're only allowed to piss and shit yourself
fuck off
>>23518056
mc finds out he got cucked right at the start of the books and tells his gf to fuck off

Friendly reminder that Bakker surpassed tolkien
>Then the madness fell away. Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac … Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes. The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled.
KINO

>>23518056
That particular shitposter (really wouldn't be surprised if it were bakkerfag) believes that being cheated on = being a cuckold, even if you leave a relationship as soon as you find out; and ritualposting newfag is hellbent on forcing his definition any time the book is brought up.

>>23517948
this place has been full of retards who read litrpgs, webnovels and chinkshit for years now

Children of Dune was fucking garbage. Essentially a rehash of Dune with an extra helping of verbose philosophical nonsense. The whole sandtrout suit thing was extremely cringe as well. Probably will not bother with GEoD.

>>23515076
Thoughts on the Illborn saga?

>>23518220
Yes, it's better to read jemisin, rothfuss, or vance. I particularly enjoyed his story about two fags fucking each other in the ass. Peak Western Literature.

>>23518343
For me, it's pirate captain's traumatized from having their booty plundered when they were children

>imperial units
They annoy the hell out of me. Are americans afraid of meters and kilograms?

>>23518547
You mean in fantasy or sf? The metric system is a recent invention. It has no place in medieval fantasy books

how is it that the british got memed into hating imperial units? self-hatred?

>>23518579
Um being a fucking decent and reasonable human being?

>>23518611
a little bit on the nose, bud

What is the last sci-fi book you read? Score it 1 - 10.

>>23518547
>>23518579
>>23518611
There's a reason we don't have a metric calendar or a metric clock, and it's the same reason metric physical measurements are retarded.

>>23517768
I was filtered by the same thing, at a certain point I just moved on and clapped when plot happened.

>>23518642
2010: Odyssey Two by Arthur C. Clarke
the movie adaptation 2010: The Year We Make Contact was better, because in the book John Lithgow's character is gay

>>23518547
Keep your goddamn metric system out of my fantasy. Sci-fi, *fine* but if my fantasy book starts asking how many *kilometers* it is to the enemy army, I'm throwing it through a window

>>23518642
I'm still reading Godclads and the Forge of Mars trilogy. I finished the first book (from the Forge of Mars) and I believe that this is and will continue to be padded. This could easily have been a duology. I wish duologies were more common.

>>23518642
Chaos and Order by Stephen R. Donaldson, I'm torn if I prefer this one or A Dark and Hungry God Arises more

>>23518643
>we don't buy boards by the meter. the standard lengths they sell are in 120 centimeters.

>>23518643
>gets mad that people attach names to values
Guy would probably strangle you after saying "hand me a can of beer" instead of "hand me a five hundred milliliter aluminium container full of golden alcoholic beverage".

Fuck it. I am writing another harry potter fan fiction. Do you guys have any ideas for shit that would make hogwarts/the harry potter world more fun/interesting?

>>23518869
Sex with ghosts.

>>23518888
Done bro. You will also later find out you are decended from the ghost so its incest kind of.

>>23518869
Magical Engineering. Turn Hogwarts into a College instead of a secondary school, have someone who tech savvy and knowledgeable go to the not-hogwarts and have them start using magic and tech together to kill shit. Get rid of that "magic gives off emp that stops from working" bullshit.

>>23518896
ohhhh cfvucm

>>23518920
Yeah this is definitely something I was already thinking about. Its hard to imagine how magic and technology would best be used together. Lots to ponder there.

>>23518869
>Do you guys have any ideas
Yes i should be Bellatrix Lestrange son and then have sex with her

guys!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MZJgRc718c

>>23518953
I got you covered bro there will be mommy content

now that the dust has settled what's the take?

>>/lit/?task=search2&search_media_hash=BBKNwXXjFwo8hqiifllAeQ%3D%3D&offset=24
Anon was right. This bitch has been at it since 2019.

>>23518869
Do the exact opposite of Yud’s HP

>>23518962
>Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 - Gameplay Overview Trailer
Trash. I can tell you right now that half the stuff you have seen in this trailer will not make it into the final game. Expect graphical downgrades, missing content and a ton of microtransactions.

>>23518869
that rationale book but without all the reddit

>>23519000
please dont be bitter
thanks

>>23519006
I heard that warhammer universe got pozzed? Or is in the process of getting pozzed? Something to do with females allowed into space marines ranks and other things too.

>>23519011
The god emperor has a gay lover now.

>>23519011
ok I deleted it just stop

>>23518989
>>23519004
adapts the story of Harry Potter to explain complex concepts in cognitive science, philosophy, and the scientific method.[5][6] Yudkowsky's reimagining supposes that Harry's aunt Petunia Evans married an Oxford professor and homeschooled Harry in science and rational thinking,[2][4] allowing Harry to enter the magical world with ideals from the Age of Enlightenment and an experimental spirit.[7] The fan fiction spans one year, covering Harry's first year in Hogwarts.

lmao no I definitely won't be doing this. Pretty much the opposite. My story will pretty much just be about "What would happen if harry potter was based and not mentally a woman".

>>23519019
yikes!

>>23518869
Have you read the Choice of Magic? The first two books were good (then it quickly went to shit), there was a pretty good academy arc.

>>23519036
Last two books in that series was shit. I hear that the author got a new series that continues that. that author is always a shit fucking who just HAS to write YA shit.
nta btw

>>23519036
>Choice of Magic

No I havent, I will have to check it out thanks bro

Any books with ugly protagonists saving the day and having the girls?
I can't self insert as a handsome male because I can't change the way I look

>>23515104
I wouldn't know. I'm not credulous enough to just read something someone recommends to me.

>>23519096
How the fuck else do you decide what to read? Book covers?

>>23519084

>>23519101
Look up the book, read the description and maybe see what other people online are saying about it. I love a "It's like [X] if [character from X] was [trait/quality]" comment. I pretty much never just take someone's word for it without a little bit of investigation.

>cover has a hot woman in skimpy clothing
Picked up

>>23515256
>It's fantasy...
>...sci-fi...

>>23516054
based

>>23517768
Just so I know, did/do you like He Who Fights With Monsters or no?

>>23519054
I liked the first two books but after that it's a complete pozzfest. Manning is the textbook definition of reddit author, I hope he gets aids one day.

Is there any modern american gothic stuff that's actually good?

I'm looking for something more like true blood/world of darkness than outright horror.

>>23518869
A new, culturally *aesthetic* school.

>>23518920
this too

Just don't cross the streams

>>23519268
>Just don't cross the streams

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

>>23519299
How young are you... Tip, it's from an old movie.

>>23519299
I just meant, don't do that things where people synthesize both advices and then, say, add German magic engineers. I think you should do two fanfics: one for each idea.

>>23518869
School in Australia, you could make a period drama with mad convict wizards living in the bush, aboriginals pissed at the intruders and employing ancient magic, possibly a race against time to avoid the manifestation of a god older than either contestants.

>>23518869
Read Reverend Insanity. The first 100 chapters have a school arc that is better than any school arc ever written in the West.

>>23515256
>t's a character psychological thriller set in the near future
Filtered by superior literature
Scifi New Wave chads were you at?

Reverend Insanity Opening 2
Jiasiting Bi Bo - Baby
你說你愛我 這我曉得
喊我的名字 我就出現
要我的愛 要我的心
我們就永遠永遠永遠不分開

我不是玩具 別玩遊戲
怎麼說 只是好朋友
望著我的眼 說你有別人
我初戀 竟讓我心碎片片

而我只能
Baby Baby Baby Oh Like
Baby Baby Baby No Like
Baby Baby Baby Oh
怎麼不是到永遠

Baby Baby Baby Oh Like
Baby Baby Baby No Like
Baby Baby Baby Oh
怎麼不是到永遠

為了你 要怎樣我都願意
叫我如何相信 你已經離去
我想保持很冷靜 但卻失去你
買給你全世界 任何一顆鑽戒

我心碎滿地 你來整理
我只求你把我從惡夢中喚醒
我被擊倒 倒 倒 倒
簡直無法相信 我初戀 已經不見

我只能
寶貝 寶貝 寶貝 Oh Like
寶貝 寶貝 寶貝 No Like
寶貝 寶貝 寶貝 Oh
怎麼不是到永遠

寶貝 寶貝 寶貝 Oh Like
寶貝 寶貝 寶貝 No Like
寶貝 寶貝 寶貝 Oh
怎麼不是到永遠

我離開了 ( Yeah Yeah Yeah ... )

*【姑娘你很漂亮 - 例外人】
其實你很特別你很好看你很自然你很漂亮可愛的姑娘
只要你的心地善良對人誠懇大方人人都會喜歡
其實自自然然平平凡凡簡簡單單開開朗朗自在又清爽
不需要太多的打扮不要花枝招展姑娘你已經很漂亮
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbQV4AsDTiY

>>23518354
i want to plunder Ronica Vestrit's gilf booty if you know what i mean

>>23519084
you are handsome, anon

>>23519011
There is no difference, it's pure outrage bait. All they did was make models for female Adeptus Custodes, the royal guards of the Golden Throne, and then culture war addicts made fake news headlines about
>LE FEMALE SPACE MARINES NAO?!?!?!?!?!?!?
There was never anything against the God-Emperor's retainer containing females, only space marines. The Adeptus Astartes (space marines) cannot have females due to XX-chromosomes having a lethal response to the geneseed implants. Every other (gendered) element of Warhammer 40k has women, only space marines (and orkz, but that's because they're asexual fungus) can't, and they still don't.

Picked these up yesterday. Probably won't read it till next month, saving it and the Necronomicon for a flight.

>>23519136
This is the only litrpg I ever read, so I wouldn't know

>>23519304
I don't know about that. I am going to cross as many streams as I can honestly taking any good I can and mashing it into my story if it will work.

>gets 3k per month for writing litrpg woman mc slop
Hmmm... Should I just drop all my ideas and write slop as well?

>>23518213
>stopped the ritual months ago bc I got bored
>barely check this shithole
>decide to check today
>ctrl+f ritual
>this retard is still talking about me

lmaoooo take ur pills
see u faggots in a few months when theres actually a GOOD book coming out and not litrpg slop

>>23519605
no ball you won't

>>23519605
>>23519625
sorry anon. Maybe you will.

>>23518213
>Putting forward a written definition when a book is brought up is shitposting and you get lumped in with an anus sniffer.
Neat.
Schitzo-semantics aside it is not only that his GF cheats on him but after being sucked into a life or death game he gets mentally cucked again by a anthropomorphized talking pussy who is clearly so much 'smarter' then him (his intelligence is even ascribed an intelligence value of 3 at the time).

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>responding twice to the same post
someone is mad

>two people calling me a retard? Is must be the same person!!

>Dungeon Crawler Carl MC = Cuck
>Primal Hunter MC = Cuck
>Iron Prince MC = Cuck

Why LITRPG Authors are so obsessed with Cuckold?

>>23519764
low iq autist/non-white/perpetually online porn addicts.
take your pick or all three. Why even read such brainrot to begin with?

WEBNOVEL= SLOP
YA=SLOP
LITRPG=SLOP

I've read Roadside Picnic and am a bit more than halfway through Hard to Be a God. What other books by the Strugatsky Bros are worth picking up?

>>23519605
https://www.scribblehub.com/profile/9606/azrie/
What are your ideas anon?

>>23519871
Is Hard to be a God the first prime directive story? Probably not, so I am wondering about others that are good. Someone let me know please

Does the Black Company get grim darker? The north was fairly tame

>>23519877
fuck it, i'll just thug it out with my not-conan pulp adventure killing manlets and tincans
do not give in to litrpg devil

>>23519877
What is wrong with people nowadays

>>23519877
They've written about 750,000 words in 5 years. 150,000 words per year. $3k per month is very respectable money for that output, although obviously they were probably making peanuts before this. Let's see what it's all about...

>>23519886
no it date from before the genre became a parody of itself

>>23519764
Good way to filter out retards in the first chapter.

>>23518642
Might be "The Test" from Neuvel. Was cool apart from the weird post-ending, 8/10

>>23520083
Wrong. That's a 2/10 at best.

>book sounds interesting, well reviewed
>girl boss
>lesbians
>women all written like men with tits

Fuck this. I quit with any scifi/fantasy released in the last decade.

>>23519958
Powerful.... Simply --- Powerful. Answers.... were Answered....
>150k words of this

>>23520097
You must be intentionally looking for such things, or simply complaining about theoreticals.

>try reading Strangers in a Strange Land
>it's poorly written smut with 2D characters
>drop it about 5% in

>>23520097
henlo... how to write woman??

>>23520092
Hey. I liked the exposition of the twist, the setup of the other side, and the concept in itself. Never seen it elsewhere and it's not hard to imagine a government actually doing something like this in a dystopian future

Also it was short, so bonus point for that.

>>23520105
Negative. Fairly certain I wouldn't read a book where the synopsis mentions super perfect lesbian girl boss who can do no wrong. Just seems like it's all over the genre any more.

>>23520112
like a man without a pp

>>23520112
The real answer is to write them as 13 year old boys

>>23519764
They have to prove their wokecred in case people get some wrong ideas about a novel about a person gaining immense power

>>23520112
You use hehe or teehee instead of haha. Duh.

>>23520112
make it so that their brain drips down their thighs when they see the main character

>>23519764
>ESL doesn't know the definition of a word
Many such cases.

>>23520112
they talk about the size of their boobs, instead of dicks

>>23520112
You don't
My favorite part of reading Planet of Adventure by Vance was that in the entire four volumes there's only two women with names, and the main character fucks both of them. The rest of the book is just bros being bros.

>>23520193
ok chuddie

>>23520193
Kaiji is my favorite anime because there are no women. Only insane male japanese gambling addicts

>>23520218
Akagi was better.

>>23519239
A Good And Happy Child by Justin Evans, maybe

>>23520193
Been awhile since I've read it, but i'm pretty sure first girl seethes and goes insane because Reith is friendly towards a minor (named) female character

>>23520289
It was some dude's sexy daughter and she existed for only that boat scene before being never seen again. My memory suggests that she was nameless, but even If she had a name, her character was utterly inconsequential apart from causing that other character to commit suicide

Good morning sirs, I want to read a fantasy book with grooming. Male mc takes a girl and grooms her into being a obedient warrior/saintess/sorcerer or whatever. No phaedo shit

>>23520332
Night's Master

>>23520289
No, she goes insane because he's too low class to take back to her country, and then he humiliates her and her new boyfriend.

Vance tends to be more interested in cultural differences, and clashes, than simple interpersonal problems.

>>23520332
>No phaedo
I don't think you will Plato in modern fantasy.

>>23518869
I would like something deep that actually explains the magic and everything

>>23519054
The new series also ties in with his Mageborn series.
>>23519054
I hate that I can't read the final book of Mageborn because sometime after reading book 4, I found out that he retcon'd MC's wife into cheating on him with the elf man she was imprisoned by.
>write 5 book series (this occurred in book 1 or 2)
>wife didn't cheat but thought about it because elf man was impossibly handsome
>write another series years later
>retcon this
fucking why

Vance sucks

>>23520599
fightin words

Anyone who takes cuckoldry in fiction personally is saying a lot about themselves

I will not read harems.
I will not read cuckoldry.
Simple as.

>>23520607
but what does it say about the person who wrote the cuckoldry?

>>23520673
He's a creep. He's a weirdo. What the hell is he publishing here? He doesn't belong here.

The further you get into Coiling Dragon, the more pathetic Linley's dad and family become. Sad.

>>23520607
Agreed. I think they are likely cuck targets IRL and they know it

>>23520790
God I wish I was black so I could fuck their wives.

In the first law trilogy it fucked me up pretty bad when that girl decided to fuck the “dog man” instead of the honorable colonel West who committed murder for her. The author is for sure a cuck and also just wanted to make readers suffer with that whole trilogy

>>23520828
First Law is leftist fantasy, it's all about female empowerment and how capitalism is bad

>>23520828
why is it ALWAYS cuckshit

>>23519929
Supply and demand nigga.

>her cunt became the world

>>23520828
God i love it when authors shit on selfinsertfags. Yes, someone other than you is fucking your waifu and you cant do anything about it except watch and seethe in impotent rage

>watched the three-body tv series
>decided to reread the first book and finish the entire trilogy
holy fuck why did i do this to myself
not only was the book way worse than the show, but the second and third books are AWFUL
>all those reviews saying it's the most realistic and thought-provoking sci-fi series ever
jesus

>>23520832
The 2nd trilogy, sure

>>23515140
unironically lovecraft

>>23521182
>>all those reviews saying it's the most realistic and thought-provoking sci-fi series ever
people have MUCH MUCH MUCH lower stantards for non western fiction (see anime etc)

>>23521244
but for anime i assumed it was because it's a medium clearly meant for children that just happened to be taken up by manchildren, kinda like capeshit
i didn't assume westoids were so racist that they'd pretend some fanfic tier garbage is a masterpiece
also in reading about liu cixin, apparently it took years for another guy just to turn his drivel into a readable form in english, so not only is it unlikely to be better in chinese, it's guaranteed to be worse

I can't do it bros, Bakker has ruined me. No other fantasy author can compete with his prose, his tight plots, his characters, everything else reads like shitty YA novels in comparison.

>>23521437
It must be terrible to be as mentally ill as you are.

>>23518642
Revelation space by alistair reynolds. For a plot and worldbuilding fag like me it was nice. Never felt nearly anything for the charecters but was entertained throughout the book. 7½/10. I'd like to read some scifi opposite of this before diving into the next book if i ever will. Calm mostly, maybe low stakes and charecter or psychology as a thematics driven. Recs welcome.

Fucking hell these books could really have used a better editor. I'm 3 books down now and these could've been some great books if you removed like 30-50% of the droning fluff and pointless subplots. Also fucking hell this series is so far one of the most Deus Ex and stupid-decisions-to-serve-the-plot heavy I've ever read. I'll still be continuing my read

>>23521182
three-body problem is baby's first scifi novel for many people specially people who believe that scifi is just star wars.

>>23521437
i agree, any other fantasy save tolkien and dune feels utterly hollow and lame after witnessing the work of a true master

>>23521754
I rather like Erikson's exposition. I find the content compelling and you'll find upon close reading he puts a lot of effort into using literary techniques and wordsmithing at the sentence by sentence level to layer meaning. He attended the university of Iowa elite program and cut his teeth on short stories and it shows if you want to engage with the text that way. The prologues are a good example.

I'd agree there are probably a few too many campfire talks and ruminations but that's part of military fiction and gives the action space to breath.

I'm reading Grace of Kings right now and it's so striking without the "droning fluff" as you put it. Feels like it was written for a teenage reading level with "this happened, and then this, then that" comic book plotting.

>pointless subplots
are you referring to the Mhybe?

>>23521437
>>23521844
I am not the same person btw. No sirree. Not at all.

>>23521437
you're either very young or very stupid
or both

>>23521852
The deluded, autistic screeching of your average Bakker disliker. Let me guess, you were filtered by Kellhus?

>>23521852
It's the latter. It's a severe developmentally-stunted individual--but which thread personality in any thread across the website behaves in a healthy manner?

>>23521848

>>23521847
>Mhybe
Yeah mainly that and Bauchelain/Broach, although at least those are a bit entertaining instead of just page after page of muh sadness muh dreams muh wolves that we found out several hundred pages ago aren't out to get you. It's just tiring having Eriksson trying to beat you over the head with THEMES! DO YOU GET THE THEMES!?? constantly. Just give me the actual story (which when it surfaces between the philosophizing is actually good and interesting).

any fantasy with premise like pic related?

>read first 3 chapters of the shadow rising
God damn what a strong opening. Really feels like Jordan unshackled himself from whatever was holding him back. I like how all those seemingly random events that happen to the three boys have deeper meanings when you examine them closer.

>>23522038
i don't like this post
it's making me curious about reading wheel of time, something i will NEVER DO
STOP POSTING LIKE THIS

>>23522076
Just read Wheel of Time, everybody else did

>>23522038
You're in for a wild ride for the next 3 books my friend

>>23522135
12 books
no, that's retarded

>>23522163
14 books + 1
You can read the comics for the first book if it tickles your fance, though its not great. The one based on the 2nd book is pure trash based on amazons designs

>>23522135
absolutely not

Man with good taste coming through.

Love my Sword & Sorcery.
Love my Wuxia.
Love my 1000+ chapter Cultivation novels.
Love my 40k books.
Love my audible LitRPGs (really only The Wandering Inn).

>>23522163
15 actually, won't take you half a year

>>23522200
>luv me Sword & Sorcery
>luv me Wuxia
>luv me 1000+ chapter Cultivation novels
>luv me 40k books
>luv me audible LitRPGs (really only The Wandering Inn)
>simple as

>>23522215
>>23522181
jesus, what a waste of time. The Broken Sword from 1954 is a one and done. I assume any reader would get a more fulfilling experience from that. Quality not quantity

>>23515085
Zelazny>Vance
simple as

Elfsisters, our response?

>>23518051
that whole series is incredibly based
>>23515140
GRRM offered to do a prequel novel, but Mike Wazowski told him to fuck off. fucking japs. we could have actually gotten some answers for once

>>23522298
>>that whole series is incredibly based
Tad Williams is a shitlib.

>>23522336
Every published author is. Jews control the media.. Doesnt change thefact that MST is fucking amazing

>>23522200
Love my harem of obedient women in xianxia

>>23516340
That fat faggot cut Demandred. I was reading those books for fucking YEARS waiting for the inevitable Demandred showdown, and not only does he cut all buildup, he and Rand never even meet. absolutely blue balled. i would rather watch another season of Rangs of Powah. all mormons should fucking hang

>>23522385
Don't blame this on Sanderson. Jordan went and bailed on his Demanded storyline because he was salty fans figured the twist out. Also, read River of Souls if you haven't.

>>23518179
Truth shines

>>23521437
so real truth shines brother

>>23522200
if i were a mod, i would permanently ban you

I'm right now writing my own fantasy book (will never release and most likely never finish), simply because every single fantasy I read is garbage or very weak in regards to fantasy.

For example look at Sanderson (this is true for every author).
While he is called a "fantasy writer", his book have nothing to do with fantasy. They are just fiction+magic.
Also, the moment Sanderson talks about politics, you can skip the next 10 pages. The moment Sanderson talks about religion, you can skip the next 30 to 50 pages.
99 % of Sanderson "world" is basically just some pre-modern world with very basic characters that have some kind of magic and that's it. Zero fantasy. And even the races in Sanderson books are basically just humans with some minor adjustments.
It's also pretty weak that Sanderson books have more or less 90 % "world building" and the last 10 % are basically just revealing everything in a check list kind of way. Again, if the reveal involves religion you can skip the next 30-50 pages. The moment Sanders even uses the word religion, he shits the bed and everything becomes some garbage trash tier boring slop of bullshit. It's literally just trying to pretend while actually saying nothing. The same with politics, where his general way of handling it is repeating the introduction of a trash tier school textbook.

This is just an example, but this is with every author. Every time I want to immerse myself into a fantasy book, it always ends up as being not even close to what I want. Sanderson is just a perfect example in regards to topics. While Sandersons fictional writing is mid, he has his two topics about politics and religion, where his writing becomes literal unreadable trash tier.
With other writers you have different problems. For example the dude who is shilled here often has a garbage unreadable writing. Only because you can use uncommon words, overcomplicated grammar structure, and a complete unspecific philosophical garbage way of writing, doesn't mean you should. High IQ writing means to say everything as simple and easy as possible. Stupidity hides behind complexitiy, because stupid people don't have the IQ to deliver a complex message in an easy way.
For example when I read this shilled dude, I didn't even know what the fuck was going on after 50 pages, and I read through PhD dissertations daily. This is how garbage his writing is.

I want to read high fantasy or urban fantasy books with a very cautious male protagonist. Planning ahead, not taking risks, having other people do the job etc
Pls rec something bros...

>>23522535
he's not as bad as bakkerfags

>>23522582
Based. Write something great.

>>23522535
If you were a sneed, I would feed you.

I need a new book for my vacation next week. Sell me or otherwise on Guy Gavriel Kay.

>>23522582
>I read through PhD dissertations daily
What's a racist structure today? Still pretty boggled by nature being racist. Fucking trees.

>>23522582
>High IQ writing means to say everything as simple and easy as possible. Stupidity hides behind complexitiy, because stupid people don't have the IQ to deliver a complex message in an easy way.
Based. Bakker and Eriksonfags btfo.

>>23520832
>CAPITALISM IS BAD
>PLEASE BUY MY BOOK
How do these retards reconcile this?

>>23522605

>>23522582
>Every time I want to immerse myself into a fantasy book, it always ends up as being not even close to what I want
What do want or what do you look for in fantasy?

>>23520193
Vance is pretty good at writing women but with a few exceptions he only uses them as disposable plot devices. Like, he understands them but they just aren't really on his radar as something worth spending too much time on.

>>23522956
unfathomably based

>>23522297

>>23522973
indeed

>>23522841
Maybe read the books instead of listening to faggots who havent read it either. 2nd trilogy is all about taking down the jew and his banks that are bleeding the country dry

>>23522297
Sauron is even worse than I thought, he's an industrialist.

>>23522350
what makes it amazing?

>>23521852
He's a spammer that's been posting that exact post here since at least 2020. At least that's the first time I can find it in the archives. He changes the wording slightly so exact matches won't number more than a dozen for any version of it he uses, but collectively he's pretended be somebody who "just read bakker" hundreds of times over the last four years. And this is just one of the MANY spam campaigns he wages on SFFG on a daily basis. Mods were handing him out bands on the regular for a while so he seems to have toned it down from the peak of his spam in 2021/2022.

>>23523177
It's weird that people like this don't realize they are hurting whatever author or product they shill more than they're helping.

>>23507375
Read The Iron Dragon's Daughter for a grimdark take.

>>23522757
while true, there's a fine line between being succinct and profound like Poul Anderson or a legitimate 70 IQ grug-brained moron like Ernest Hemingway

>>23523212
It's not that weird when you realize that a lot of people on this website are genuinely mentally ill, and not in the "I have encyclopedic knowledge of every canonical Imperial Guard faction in Warhammer 40K, I'm so autistic!" sense, but in the "I literally can't recognize other human beings as conscious entities or wipe my own ass, but I can solve a mathematical equation covering an entire chalkboard in my head in less than 2 seconds, I'm autistic" sense.

>>23523212
Oh he's way too far gone mentally for that kind of rationality. He's obsessively spammed these threads for almost 5 years now. This isn't garden variety shitposter malice, it's genuine low functioning autism.

>>23523406
Too bad his autism turned out to be obsession with a low tier author instead of anything productive.

>>23523177
>>23523212
>>23523406
Read Bakker.

>>23522136
I hope so. Book 3 was kinda meh for me, so I'm hoping for some good pay offs. Though I'll give it credit for making Mat a character.
It's too bad that I still can't seem to make myself care about any of the girls, but I guess I still have like 10 books ahead of me.

>>23523586
Book 3 is the turning point where Jordan fully walked away from the Tolkien format. He stated in an interview that his intention with the series was to start in a similar place, but end up at a different destination when compared to Tolkien, book 4 is the first really large departure. Book 3 is similar to Frodo abandoning the fellowship, but instead of deciding to walk to Mordor, Rand consciously decides to flip the table and play a completely different game by the end.

>Book 4 is where things REALLY start to get good, it's worth reading a million boring pages before then, trust me

>>23522852
>youtuber book
LOL!

>>23523626
At this point I'm just tired of the format
>everyone is together
>some weird stuff happens and everyone gets split up
>more weird stuff happens and everyone conveniently converges on the same objective
>Rand fights Balzamon
>holy shit we killed the big bad guy yay
>actually no we didn't
>also balzamon is still alive
I heard that this ends with book 4 and thank god for that.

worst part about WOT is that rand, mat and perrin never share a scene together in the last few books lmao

>>23519454
>There was never anything against the God-Emperor's retainer containing females, only space marines.
Why are you such a weaselly, disgusting faggot?

>>23523651
>read book
>enjoy book
>have 13 more enjoyable books to read
what's so hard to understand
do you hate reading or something?

>>23523770
That's how Satan fights his battles.

Brittany!

Read Schweitzer.

>>23523772
okay slopper

>>23523830
>t. chinkshit reader

>>23523841
HATE CHINKSHIT
HATE WEBNOVELS
HATE LITRPGS
HATE SLOP EPIC FANTASY
HATE YA
HATE MODERN SFF
simple as

>>23523885
>>23523885
>>23523885
New

>>23515076
What are your favorite non-traditional scifi books that manage to completely avoid the typical subjects of space, aliens, robots, time travel, etc?

A good example is dystopian novels like 1984 or Brave New World (though you could argue technodystopia is a "traditional" subject at this point), or novels with an impossible thing introduced to an otherwise pretty realistic world, like Infinite Jest.

>>23518642
Blindsight 10/10