/lit/ - Literature

>>23500546
Le Morte D'arthur by Malory is probably the best introduction to Arthurian legends for an adult English speaker, and it's widely renowned as a classic so absolutely worth reading, although be prepared that it's not like a novel and will be "repetitive" at times.

>>23500546
If you think all depictions of courtly love are just "simping" then you might as well skip it

>>23500546

Read Arthur Rex by Thomas Berger. Yes it's American. Yes it's in pigeon old English.

But it's very humorous, and Berger obviously read his Mallory and then some. Lancelot and Guin get a funny and miserable treatment. Gawain is the best Knight because he realizes fucking a new Stacy every other week is ultimately unsatisfying, and he'd rather have a good wife, kids, garden.

>>23500597
>all depictions of courtly love
When did I say that?

>>23500595
Thanks for this, man. Would you recommend a Modern English translation?

>>23500622
Appreciated, I'll keep this one in mind.

>>23500595
It's not just repetitive, the characters have little to no personality until the end. It becomes good only when the cucking gets revealed.

>>23500546
>he fell for the lancelot propaganda psyop
>he didn't read the definitive story of King Arthur

literally ngmi
FUCK lancelot

>>23500879
Did anybody here read the avalon series by Bradley and paxsons? What did you think of it?

>>23500879
Also have you seen the winter king tv show?

>>23500546
Prince Valiant. When the Arthurian drama gets too heavy the main character just leaves and becomes a Hun.

>>23500546
Tennyson's Idylls of the King.

People who said Malory haven't read Malory.

>>23501079
I have not
>>23501082
I haven't but I'm only heard bad things about it

>>23500707
>Would you recommend a Modern English translation?
It's not so much a matter of translation as changes in orthography as the syntax and grammar are nearly identical to modern English, it's only the spelling of certain words, the use of certain letters, capitals and punctuation, and the use of sections and paragraphs that are updated for the ease of the modern reader. It's sort of up to you, but I would personally recommend going for something like the Norton Critical Edition which is a little more authentic to a medieval reading experience and not that hard to read when you get into it than the OUP/Penguin which are more modernising and are a bit more patronising. But if you think you'll struggle with the NCE then certainly go for the OUP/Penguin.

>>23501125
This, I've read the Anthology from Mallory to Twain and only this was good.

>>23501125
I remember reading this in college. Is it actually Arthurian legend? It felt more like satire.

>>23500622
>Gawain is the best Knight

>watch an arthurian adventure show
>Gawain is my favorite
>get into the actual mythos
>Gawain is actually the best knight
feels good man

>>23502122

>>23500546
All of it is corruption of older legends that barely survived.
There was once a warehouse full of various literature and most of what the scribes saved was the fun adventure stories. Every seldom now and then an official document is dug up from the isles that is a mentions some odd part of pre-Roman history and then it's dismissed as total nonsense.

>>23500597
It’s hard for modern people to wrap their heads around because they don’t feel, and maybe can’t feel, the sort of love that arises of such an instinctual sort of life as that which was lived by everyone during that time. Modern people have effectively intellectually sterilized love. They can’t even have the sort of love their grandparents had. So all sincere love appears as simping to them.

>>23500546
lancelot was a fag that never fought

>>23500879
I recently bought these. Haven't read them yet but they seem to be the way.

>>23502147
Don't give me that, yellow child.

>>23500546
Le Morte D’Arthur is the quintessential version of the story, even if is basically just an abridgment of the Post-Vulgate Cycle, which itself is an abridgment of the Vulgate Cycle.
The best work of Arthurian literature, though, is Parzival by Wolfram von Eschenbach. It’s a German version of the story of the Grail written by a very eccentric Bavarian knight.
And no, none of the medieval stories of King Arthur are for kids.

>>23500546
Read Mystery of the Grail

Actually don't, you sound like a child.

>>23500546
Chrétien de Troyes' books are excellent, even if incomplete. On the other hand, I read them in French, I don't know if there is a good English translation.

>>23502933
>written by a very eccentric Bavarian knight
cool

>>23500597
>If you think all depictions of courtly love are just "simping" then you might as well skip it
If you think fixing on a women like she has some inherent special value isn't simping, then what is.

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>>23505590
Okay, man.

>>23501118
based
lovely read

>>23500546
After the Death of King Arthur read from From Ritual to Romance and Mystery of the Grail.

>>23500879
Picked up the first one recently

>>23500546
Just read Fate or something, if you're still interested in the legends themselves read actual Arthurian literature but if you don't really care then unironically just move on to manga and anime.

I DEMAND that everybody in this thread stop everything they're doing and tell me how to get into the Arthurian legends right now. Please! Where do I start?

"the first sign of a vulgar man is not being able to understand why men would throw away empires and sacrifice millions of lives for love when he could just 'get another woman' " -Landshark

>>23507032
They've already told you.

>>23507441
>Landshark
From the street sharks?
You taking advice from a cartoon?

european stories are always cuck stories

>>23500546
If you dont like Lancelot read the stories before he was added. Lancelot is a mary sue original character added late to Arthurian legend. And someone was so sick of his faggot ass that he decided to make Lancelot cause the fall of Camelot.

>>23507032
Le Mort d'Arthur

>>23500546
sir lancelot is supposed to be a warning example of the pitfalls that stain the knights honor, simping too hard is one of them, you trade duty for love
the traitor knight got drunk with power / greed
think of it like the bible for knights, what does it mean to be a true knight in that era, what does it mean to be of upstanding moral virtue

think of the whole story as a silent question "what is a true knight, what is honor, what is duty, what does it mean to be a ruler, what does it mean to be a follower and how does one achieve it without being mislead"
then realize it's literally just propaganda to be a subservient little bitch to some monarch that larp's as worthy of you licking his boot, chivalry died for a damn good reason and the eternal anglo's longbow, women and corruption of the ones at top killed it

>how do i get into it
the fact that you have to force yourself to "get into it" should be all you need to know of it, let it rest in peace the era of honorable combat, duty as a source of honor and upstanding moral virtue is long gone, you were born too late and only thing it gets you now days is mockery and a being a workmule for some ingrate

>>23507541
>think of it like the bible for knights, what does it mean to be a true knight in that era, what does it mean to be of upstanding moral virtue
Was this how the post-vulgate was intended?

>>23507541
>the fact that you have to force yourself to "get into it"
Where did I indicate that I was forcing myself to get into it?

Man I don't get it, this is some of the most boring shit ever written. "And then he came to a forest, and then he saw there a Giant Redde, and he drew his sword, and he Slew the Giant, and then he came up out of the forest, and then he saw thereupon a bridge, and then..." for thousands of pages, that's the Arthurian corpus. The only reason people in the middle ages enjoyed these stories is because they had lead poisoning and were chronically drunk.

>>23507032
If you need HELP getting into Arthurian shit then you need help period.

>>23507541
this is the only right post here