/lit/ - Literature

>>23476261
English.

>>23476261
Latin first is the typical way, but I learned Latin first and now that I'm learning Greek I wish I had done it the other way around. Decide based on which culture you like more, which authors you like more, and which language you like the sound of the most.

>>23476261
Yeah

>>23476261
notice how he never shows his wrists in any pictures?

>>23476261
Wannabe Douglas P.

>>23477125
The wrist eenjoyers all over the world are lamenting this fact

>>23476261
do you think this fag lurks here?

>>23477578
100%

>>23476261
Why not learn Akkadian?

>>23477578
Too busy at the wine bar mirin other men, more than likely.

>>23476261
French or German will sate your autistic need to read old literature in the original language (despite good translations being readily available) while also actually being useful in real life.

>>23476261
Learn a bit of both and keep going with whichever you find easiest. For me that was Greek, but a lot of people find Latin to be easier to learn

>>23477125
>fuentards are this desperate for a point against BAP
genuinely pathetic

I would like to be able to learn multiple romance languages, should I just learn Latin?
Would it make learning italian, spanish and french braindead easy?

>>23477858
I think it's a silly idea personally
What I recommend is that you pick a language now and dive deeply into it
My personal suggestion is that you download the textbook French for Reading by Karl Sandberg and start studying ASAP, 1-2 hours a day
If you just really love Latin and want to dedicate years of your life to it and the stuff about modern Romance languages is merely a cope because you feel like learning Latin is unproductive, go ahead, study Latin but otherwise I highly recommend you learn the modern languages first

My problem is that I think learning Latin is just really unnecessary
Personally I think learning one of these romance languages is probably going to be just as helpful as learning Latin is for learning the others
Once you progress to say, reading 19th century French novelists, I just can't see Latin knowledge as giving you much of a boost
At that point you just need to know a lot of vocabulary and the best thing to do for that is to read a lot

>>23476261
Anything worth reading in Latin or Greek has been translated by someone who’s spent at least a decade studying the nuances of the language. You aren’t going to have a better understanding of a text by learning the language. Maybe at the very highest levels, but even then the margins are razor thin. And sure, learning a language can provide insights into a culture, but you can really just have all that explained to you.
If you just want to do it just for fun, then go ahead. But I would pick a modern language.

>>23478153
>Anything worth reading in Latin or Greek has been translated by someone who’s spent at least a decade studying the nuances of the language
Nah, there are times when Latin and Greek are still useful if you have more obscure interests. I remember trying to learn a bit of Lithuanian at one point, and the only source I could find within 100km of me was a Lithuanian grammar book written in Latin.

Latin is also fairly useful for lawyers and doctors, but I know lawyers have been moving away from Latin usage for a while now.

>>23478139
I'm interested in learning Latin for other reasons, namely my etymological autism, every new word I learn I remember by finding it's etymology and related words.

>and the stuff about modern Romance languages is merely a cope because you feel like learning Latin is unproductive
That wouldn't be the main problem. It's a matter of having a large list of languages I'd want to learn and their priority might change based on circumstances.

>>23478170
learning a language for another language is simply retarded anon. pick the romance one you want to speak and read and go from there. Latin etymology autism is more like a side benefit and ultimately will not help you how you think.

>>23478153
>>>>>who’s spent at least a decade studying the nuances of the language
>look up the original latin of a classic text
>the most popular translation is blatantly wrong

>>23476283
>I wish I had done it the other way around.
why?

>>23477578
He was a top poster on salo forum, the forum from which most of /lit/ trends trickled down from during the 2010s

The Bronze Age Pronounrespecter.
https://nitter.poast.org/bronzeagemantis/status/1797639230207950961
Apparently he fervently believes the Greeks were gay too.

>>23476261
>when you name the jew they have to factory reset

>>23477125
You whould notice the tattoo numbers.

>>23478571
There is nothing wrong with homosexuality if youre on top. Your mind has been destroyed by Abrahamic views on sexuality

>>23477578
>>23476261

I wish he wouldn't do that gay face. It's not a flattering look. Or is he already transitioning?

>>23479083
I think he shitposts about being gay, but is in the closet he is 44 with no kids. Still he is alright

>>23476261
Gonna say Latin. The utility is simply greater due to it being the lingua franca of the church. You also already known the alphabet, and are likely familiar with more words. And then there's the fact that the romance languages descend from it.

>>23477125
as a level 3 autist, i didn't notice. thanks

>>23479080
Then do it with a woman, you fucking oven dodger.

>>23479114
>oven dodger
I hate all abrahamic faiths, didnt nazis lose in like 6 years?

>>23479114
Goebells hated prudishness. Heterosexuality was always a semetic/levantine trait while homosexuality and sexual promiscuity was always a more european one

>>23477858
italian is best for your purpose. closest to latin but without the grammatical case autism, plus the benefit of being a living language

>>23478139
Latin is probably the main language for a student of literature to learn. I can fluently read basically all the romance languages (minus Romanian) besides English and some German and they are NOT as useful for a writer as Latin is. Latin is where most of our concepts come from and in which most of our history, philosophy, and the foundational literary classics (specially Virgil, Ovid, Horace, the Vulgate, Cicero) were written in. Also the majority of it, specially the Medieval stuff, remains untranslated or only has very old translations which are not always faithful.
Greek is more important historically, at the beginning of the Western history, but for two thousand years the lingua franca was Latin.
I am not saying you have to be fluent (I myself still am not) but if you can't read, or at least have a "reasonable understanding of" a Latin text, then you are simply ignoring hundreds of years of literature that nearly all Western authors simply assumed you knew, even just 100 years ago. Dante doesn't assume you know Shakespeare and Shakespeare doesn't assume you know Dante, but they both assume you know Ovid.
Translations are good, but will only do so much. There is simply too much stuff that cannot be aprehended by even the best translation.

>>23478153
>Anything worth reading has already been translated by The Experts(TM)
amazingly naive post

>>23478669
>>23479114
I wish autists could know how fucking cringe they are

>>23479265
I can spend 3 years learning Latin and I can read maybe 5 pages of Cicero a day or I could spend 3 years learning French and fluently read through 19th century novelists
I just don't think it's worth it

>>23479080
FAGGOT JEW TRYING TO MAKE WHITES BELIEVE THAT PRE-CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS WERE ACCEPTING OF HOMOSEXUALITY #6000000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E&t=2369s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVh3kj7CjA&t=3111s
nice try faggot, not going to work

>>23479137
FAGGOT JEW. nice try subverting this board with your filth but no one is falling for it.

>>23479544
I want jews to know how fucking hated they are.

>>23477125
notice how Nick Fuentes was filmed egging people to go into the capitol, and his handlers quickly made that all go away, while others doing the same things were given like 40 years in prison

>>23479645
>Pagans=Germaniggers

and I must post it yet again

>>23476261
Greek, Latins would agree.

>>23479593
If you want to read Cicero then learn Latin. If you want to read Flaubert then learn French. If you want “to fluently read through 19th century novelists” then you can do that today, right now, in English.

>>23477855
>>23479728
rent-free

>>23476261
Where are you located on the planet? The closest place topographically. Go from the inward to the outward. Traveling is done along a line. Travel that line. Live, laugh, love.

>>23477637
Oh, Lord, the word ''miring' again.

>>23476261
What culture do you like more and what do you want to read more? I like Latin, Roman and Medieval literature, so I chose Latin

>>23476261
Just learn Latin first as it would be easier, but learn both.

>>23476261
Nil translation quandaries going from Latin to any current vernacular in the West (and most of the corpus is of little interest unless you'd like hermetic material or scholastics in the original, and perhaps a few odd poets). Material in Greek on the other hand is more limited, but denser in quality of thought that immensely benefits from thinking with it in the original-- there are typologies inobvious and inaccessible in non-top tier translation forms, vision, oneiroi, all related conceptually that ought to be seen staring at one straight in the face, yet aren't but for artless legions of translators.

>he thinks Latin is just another language you "learn" like any other

>>23480776
It's exactly the same as studying a modern language in order to read literature

>>23480776
Yes. For what reason is it not? We have enough resource of it to learn properly.

>>23479732
I used examples of both northern and southern Europeans. What the fuck are you talking about

>>23477858
I speak Portuguese as my first language. I can understand Spanish, Italian and French to a good degree without studying them but I cannot understand Latin.
You might be able to understand the etymology of many words but that's it.
If you want to learn a romance language then it's just better to learn it straight away. Spanish is a good start to easily study the others.

>>23479593
>3 years learning Latin and I can read maybe 5 pages of Cicero a day
Only if you are ridiculously slow.
Just use LLPSI.

>>23477855
>>23479728
yes, fuentes is a incontinent loser. doesn't change the fact that BAP is a neurotic homosexual larper who used twitter to anxietypost about the thickness of his wrists amidst calls for the "day of the rope", and that's the reason the complete circumference of his wrists are out of the image in every single picture that has been taken of him. pic unrel

The one with regular letters, dummy