/lit/ - Literature

Note to janitor/mods: this is the official general as it has been going for months as one can check in the archives, if you have to, delete the other one made by the local troll.

ὁ κακουργοπίθηκος οὔτ' Ἑλληνιστὶ οὔτε Ῥωμαϊστὶ δύναται διαλέγεσθαι καὶ εἰ σεαυτὸν προσποιούμενος ὡς φύλακα τῶν παλαιῶν γλοττῶν

Reminder:
First rule of /clg/:
This is a space dedicated to the discussion and learning of the languages studied for a Classical Philology degree in the US, UK, and its Commonwealth. Kindly keep comments on-topic and about Greek and Latin only. If you would like to discuss other languages with significant to literary traditions, you are free to do so in your own thread.

>>23442984
First for fucking haate chinks
Second for fucking hate jeets
But fuckn hating kikes is forever

τὸ τρίγωνον παρὰ τὸν τοῦ ἀγγέλματος ἀριθμὸν τύπτειν, εἶτα τὴν πρώτην γραφήν τὴν «ἄγγελμα μηνύειν» λέγουσαν

>>23443006
based

best textbook for sanskrit? is there anything similar to reading greek or athenaze?

>>23443082
when a Sanskritanon made his suggestions for the FAQ he strongly recommended https://learnsanskrit.org/guide/introduction/for-beginners/

>>23443089
Oops! Looks like someone's confused. This is /clg/, which as per rule 1 discusses languages associated with Classical Philology. Sanskrit discussion can make itself at home in /elg/, at >>23409512

I often hear that Sanskrit is an essential part of Indo-European languages
It seems that the primary languages are Ancient Greek, Latin and Sanskrit with perhaps Old Norse/Gothic having a lesser importance
How exactly do these people manage to motivate themselves to learn Sanskrit?
Or are they mostly doing dictionary and grammar translations of Sanskrit texts?

>>23443168
Sorry *essential part of Indo-European language studies

>>23443168
IIRC the two main languages for the beginning of the reconstruction of PIE were indeed Greek and Sanskrit, if anything because of how old the available written material is, and how distant while conservative in certain regards they both are

>>23443168
What're you asking? They moitivate themselves the same way that anyone motivates themselves to learn any language, by wanting to read text

>>23442984
I'd support your next thread if you delete that cringy Angloid reference from your "first rule". Til then, you can fuck off.

>>23443222
>your "first rule"
no such thing, the amerimutt turd of the first post isn't related to these threads except as an illiterate parasite

>>23443222
>>23443225
Sorry, meat to reply to >>23443006

>>23443228
it's the thread's parasite
note that he even reported verbatim the Greek that literally makes fun of him, the excrement doesn't know what it means
/clg/ is >>23443154

Tu mater est una moechor
Vade omnes mori

>>23443168
>>23443174
Off-topic

>>23443222
4chan is an English-speaking board

>>23443286
Off-topic

what drives a man to constantly sperg out like this

>>23443365
I enjoy fucking you.

>>23443365
His new stepdad is a Clasicschad, and he hears shouts “edepol” and “hercle” when mommy wrestles with him

Vos qui sont stultes et non volunt gardere ille latine et graeca quomodo illos linguas classicas, vade mori omnes vos

Ego scio latine multa melior quod vos omnes

Reminder
>>>23442282

>>23443438
atque ego te cinaedum esse arbitror.

>>23443365
He confessed two threads ago that he hates people that is smarter than him (he deleted his post too). I think he just feels inferior and trolls to cope.

>>23443365
He confessed two threads ago that he hates people that are smarter than him (he deleted his post too). I think he just feels inferior and trolls to cope.

>>23443486
If this works out maybe it could have its own thread

If the Greekfags are reading a text together, are there any Hebrewchads who would want to read something?

>>23443222
Shoo, go away!

AYO! LISTEN UP (Yes, I'm reposting this because none of you answered)! I think I may be using a not so good textbook for Greek—Ancient Greek: A 21st Century Approach by Phillip S. Peek on OCW—and I've realized this after seeing that Rainieri guy go through Athenaze and a bunch of other books, but now I'm committed and kind of want to see if I tough it out whether it will prove effective in the end.

What do you think? Is it worth it? Has anyone used this book before?

>>23443731
Oh? What book are Greek geeks reading?

>>23443754
According to >>23443486 they're gonna do some Crito, but iirc there was also interest in some Thucydides. I didn't pay much attention to the particulars, Greek is outside my wheelhouse at the moment

>>23443365
>the troll is trolling again
>better reply to let him know he didn't troll me
>half the thread is now trolls and troll repliers
>wtf why is the troll trolling
Frankly you specifically and this general generally deserve it. Responding to bait is exactly what you're not supposed to do, but you can't help yourself because you are dumb and/or autistic.
All you have to do is nothing - ignore the posts you don't like. This simple concept is apparently too complicated for the big brains of /clg/

kek

>>23443829
What a blunder. A truly smart person would never have made such an error. Make sure to link to this screencap in the future OPs.

>>23443827
>replies to the replier to in a full-blown sperg-out
You lack self-awareness.

>>23443780
>Crito 43a-43b
Seems random.

>>23443880
It's not. They are the first 20 lines of text in Crito.

interesting, so the meme phrase from the movie was actually at least partly based in ancient sources

>Dr. Ammon Hillman, Classicist
Is this guy's translation of Mark 14 accurate? He claims the arrest sequence in the garden of Gethsemane in the original Greek describes Jesus initiating a boy into his ministry by placing a medicated bandage on the boy's privates to make ejaculate which Jesus ingests as an antidote to the snake venom Jesus previously took to get high.

>>23444905
there's not even that much text to describe such actions lol, it's just two lines, first line some boy accompanies him wearing only a sindon cloth around his naked body i.e I guess the assumption being that normally you would wear a chiton next to your skin and then at best a mantle or other cloth over it, then he gets stopped, but then he flees naked leaving the cloth behind
>καὶ νεανίσκος τις συνηκολούθει αὐτῶ περιβεβλημένος σινδόνα ἐπὶ γυμνοῦ, καὶ κρατοῦσιν αὐτόν·
>ὁ δὲ καταλιπὼν τὴν σινδόνα γυμνὸς ἔφυγεν.
maybe he is working with extra sources and a crackpipe

How would you rank the ancient languages, in terms of difficulty and/or usefulness?

>>23445124
>Usefulness
All in F tier
>Difficulty
Major ones are similar in difficulty in different ways. Less studied ones are an order of magnitude more difficult

>>23443971
he probably doesn't know how stephanus numbers work

學古代希臘語者:
“寫該句三十分鐘,未知某詞某形“
學文言文者:
”該句需虛詞乎?“
”否,卻可以寫“
文言文無法無限也

Cinaedus quaesita ex hoc filo rapiens sit ut ea in alia filo scribat

>>23445326
Ew fuck off chink

>>23445339
Pedicabo tu mater

>>23445326
I'm sorry, can you post that in your own thread? I didn't log on to see that today.

>>23445360
Literal Google translate tier Latin

>>23444905
just looked this guy up and watched 5 minutes of some interview and it's so clear he's high asf

>>23445143
fuck off and take your chink runes with you

>>23443486
I'll give it a try

>>23445211
I don't care. I read. I comprehend. Applaud yourself for your scholastic trifles. They don't mean you're intelligent, and you've already shown you're petty.

>>23446948
kek
midwit hours on display

When did /clg/ get this bad? Damn

>>23448067
Roughly two threads ago

>>23448067
/clg/ has always been shit. Just snobs pretending to be smart and turning their noses up at anyone who hasn't spend 80,000 hours memorizing dead languages

>>23448067
it's just one excrement mentally destroyed by a massive inferiority complex as well as janitorial "no fun allowed" mentality

>>23444905
On νεανίσκος, this isn't something you'd puck up without some biblical studies but "Youth" in this context means angel. Some scholars who think the whole situation is fictional argue that the presence of a νεανίσκος at both the arrest and resurrection of Jesus (the νεανίσκος appears again in Mark 16 in the tomb).

>>23448369
Lost my train of thought and clicked send, some people think the presence of the youth is meant to show the angelic protection of Jesus throughout his trial and death and resurrection.

Latinbros, let's read a text together like the greekfags.

I suggest seneca's de otio, being pretty short !

Greekbros, did anyone read the Plato?

>>23449048
yes, was fairly short wasn't it? didn't have too much difficulty, albeit I'm not used to the dialogue form, I kinda had to think a bit about
>ἢ οὐ πρῲ ἔτι ἐστίν;
since it's kinda like a rhetoric question no? I guess these will be common in Plato

I'm also kinda curious about the verb εὐεργέτηται, I expected some kind of augment for the perfect form, since it does seem to be interpreted as a perfect medio-passive form, but maybe I am misremembering some rule about the formation of perfects with a root starting with a diphthong, idk

>>23449048
yeah it wasn't too bad. No crasis so I'm not complaining (the last dialogue I read was Sophocles)

>>23448828
cur non, esto

How common is it to have nouns or verbs with identical nominative/infinitive forms but which inflect differently depending on the meaning?
Do these just eventually go away?

>>23442984
I thought I would teach myself Greek so I bought a copy of the Iliad oxford classical text and figured I’d learn by simple substitution. I got the book today and they’re not even real letters. Fuck is up with that? Was I ripped off? I just sent an angry email to the seller so I hope I was

bumpus

You guys DO know the secret, right?

>shiggy diggy

>>23450803
I've used The Ranieri-Arguelles Method now for a few days and have seen a massive increase in my gains. Alexander also recommended Luke's excellent book in a recent video.

>>23450001
not that common as you can imagine, off my head right now I can think about e.g the verbs νέω or nouns βίος vs βιός, in Latin I can't even recall one right now though there are obviously some

>>23446948
Boy, it sure sounds rough having to do all this coping and seething over the basic system of keeping track of what you're reading in Plato

>>23451139
Shut the fuck up elitist

>>23451139
anon, he's the thread troll. He goes with whatever is lowest effort to bait replies. Notice how hyperbolic the response is. The only way that could be serious would be if the troll was a woman.

>>23450803
He has a tiny tight pussy

Latin reading group, we are beginning Aeneid at the pace of 10 lines per day.

>>23452288
already read it but I'll tag along, it's been a while

>>23445124
If you mean pre-classical languages then Egyptian has the most notable body of literature. Sanskrit and Hebrew literature may date back to pre-classical times but their extant forms are from much later unlike Egyptian which has extant manuscripts from ancient periods. The next most relevant would be Akkadian.

In terms of general historical languages, aside from the major written registers of Grk., Lat., Chi., and Sans. Arabic is probably the most prominent, but languages from their mediaeval to early-modern stages like Persian, Mandarin, and Urdu have been very notable and influential as well.

>>23452288
Well I already have the first day memorized.

>>23447563
>>23451139
Wrong, as usual. Soon you'll be asking me questions about the Greek. That's how these things always go.

>>23451355
No, there's no mythological thread troll, you dumbass tranny dicksucker. You're the kid who made up bullying to the teacher in elementary school, I bet.

>>23453097
>the Greek
kek
>soon the you will be asking the me the questions about the Greek
Better hope said questions don't involve page numbers

>>23453397
>t. ESL

>>23442984
Im going to Athens, any interesting secret shit related to Ancient Greek?

I like these little bits of dialect variation you often encounter. What can the spelling of μείζων as μέσδων tell us about the value of ζ?

>>23442984
im losing momentum nigga...

>>23454510
it tells us that zd-chads keep on winning.

>>23454878
nigga don't you dare give up on me

ὕπνῳ καὶ καμάτῳ ἀρημένος εἰμ' ἐγώγε

>>23455601
very ebig, the cake is a lie :D

If anyone is still interested in Plato we will be doing 43c-44a tomorrow.

Does anyone know of some kind of textbook history of the Roman Church written in Latin? Surely some Jesuit wrote one c. 1820.

>>23456050
On a related note, Bartolomeo Platina wrote "Lives of the Popes." I have the I Tatti. Don't know if you can find the text online for free.

>>23456046
aye aye

>>23456050
Not sure about textbook history. There are lots of regional and temporally focused histories in Latin, i.e. Bede's Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum

Do you guys use sentence cards or vocab cards?
I'm not studying classical chinese but I'm curious about how do you guys approach it?
From what I understand each character can be very ambiguous so would you need to use sentence cards?

>>23454510
A /zd/ or /sd/ sound is reconstructed for Zeta in 5th century Attic even. So maybe Doric texts exhibit substandard spelling in those parts or some other sound change.

>>23456430
I don't use flashcards.
Nouns and verbs are not too ambiguous but grammar words 虛詞 are so you need to learn a lot of information about them.
Basic vocab is easy to remember in any language and you shouldn't need to use anki to memorise it unless you have an imminent test or something.

>>23457303
It's a common misunderstanding that people make but anki isn't for basic vocabulary nor is it for cramming for tests.
You can learn basic vocabulary by just reading texts quite easily.

>>23457309
Whats it for then
I've only ever used it for test cramming

>>23456430
Not learning Chinese, but I use vocab flashcards. I find it to be fun to carry around a stack and have something productive to do instead of sitting on my phone at work when I’m not doing anything. My job has long periods of downtime followed by short periods of intense work, so I try to use those periods of downtime to work on my languages when possible

>>23443153
Sanskrit is an Indo-European language

>>23458145
See rule 1 asshat. Classics means Greek and Latin. You have your own thread. Stop shitting up ours.

>>23458145
indeed, feel free to post more in the spirit of /clg/ >>23443154
hope for more classical chinese, hebrew, maya, arabic, et...

>>23458430
>>23458145
>>23458083
Go away thread schizo

>>23458411
You are a foreigner. Look at how good the threads were before you decided to shit them up.

>>23456046
done, mostly smooth reading so far, only little doubt I have is the δοκεῖν in
>οὔτοι δὴ ἀφῖκται, ἀλλὰ δοκεῖν μέν μοι ἥξει τήμερον
why infinitive? δοκεῖ μοι would seem to suffice and make sense, or am I missing something?

>>23458569
δοκεῖν μέν μοι is adverbial

>>23458517
Schizo, obsessed, seething, etc

>>23458517
I wish you would stop foaming at the mouth about your imaginary thread troll. As if anyone was responsible but you for the low quality of threads lately between off topic and tranny posting.

>>23458578
ok I see, I think what threw me off guard was the lack of ὡς e.g ὡς ἔπος ἐιπεῖν but the construction is basically the same, "infinitive absolute" I believe

Started learning a little Latin and Old Church Slavonic. Does anyone have resources for learning how to handwrite OCS Cyrillic?

>>23458430
>hebrew
Currently working my flashcards.

>>23458582
>>23458590
Projecting and samefagging

>>23459130
Just looking at it makes me want to puke. Couldn't you honestly have posted this somewhere else?

>>23459130
based and on-topic

I started studying Old Norse again
Logically it seems so stupid to study a dead language but at the same time it also feels so right
Does anyone else know that feeling?

Foeda tu mater.

>>23459453
yeah I guess, I studied STEM formally(even though I'm not making much buck from it), but I fell for classical languages, I started finding it more rewarding

>>23459602
Bad trade lmfao

>>23459603
yeah lol, I hope I can at least re-balance things a bit on the STEM side at least as far as making a decent buck from it, but the original passion for it that led me to enroll in uni is kinda gone, sapped away by greeks

>>23459637
Read about Greek maths then

>>23459453
Yeah, I love languages, but just about every time that I try to learn a modern one, it ends in disgrace. But dead languages? I go wild for those

>>23459130
Dang your handwriting is quite good. I never could figure out how to make hebrew look good.

>>23459652
Personally I'm fine with either, but ancient languages really get me going. Probably the result of a childhood spent on greece and rome but hey, I'm pretty happy with it.

Isn't the best way to learn a language through "comprehensible input"?

Thing is, it's really hard to structure a study plan around the principle of "just acquire it naturally bro". I feel like I made more progress when I was brute forcing flashcards and going through textbooks, but I dunno...

If you acquire language "naturally" what's your study routine?

>>23459732
I'm a believer in the input hypothesis and I do anki and read textbooks
What you have to understand is the input hypothesis is not a method for studying language, it's a theory about how people learn languages
The input hypothesis states that everyone who has acquired a particular language did so only through receiving comprehensible input
This means that if we have two people who are competent in a particular language, one who did the 'natural method' and the other who did the grammar translation method, both owe their competency to comprehensible input

>>23459732
I'd say it depends on the resources you are using, I aimed for certain proportioned daily/session goals, kinda like muscle training if you will, where you have to put yourself realistic rep/set goals that nevertheless push you into developing.
For example I used Athenaze for Greek, I'd try to put goals like "read part 1 of chapter 1". Then on another day "read part 2", then another day "re-read the whole chapter", then another day "write anki deck for chapter 1"(which forced me to go through the chapter again), and so on. Then when I finished it, I took on a reader, and would do something similar, divide in realistic daily goals, re-read, re-read possibly another time, then do next, etc... and then I started doing the same with actual Greek texts starting with Xenophon, usually dividing my workload into whatever handy chunks are given by the edition e.g chapters.
I found flashcards useful more as a kind of refresher than to really absorb lexicon.

>>23459693
Thanks man, appreciate it. My mems are fucky as hell, and a buddy of mine mocks my lameds, but I'm glad you think that it's good. My only advice would be to remember that the letters are usually pretty curvaceous, so be conscious about that as you write them.

>>23459602
I got a STEM PhD and made a decent career out of it. But I'm still here grinding Latin and sometimes now Greek in my free time.

I don't even know why, really. It will never be useful, and I doubt I'll ever even achieve real fluency. I don't care about religion or philosophy. I'm just drawn to it. It feels like solving a puzzle.

>>23459863
>It will never be useful
utility is for plebians and anglos

>>23459863
I'm stem too. It would be interesting to take a thread census of sorts. I'd bet on the proportion of stem people in this thread being higher than lit in general because of the nature of the subject. Of course performing any census on 4chan is a great act of trust.

>>23459130
have you considered anki?

>>23459954
I tried it once with Latin, but I prefer physical things in just about every aspect of life. I prefer physical books, I prefer physical pen and paper, and I prefer physical flashcards, Computers can be useful, but they just aren't for me, and digital flashcards fall within the realm of "computer."

Of course I typed that from a computer, but that's neither here nor there.

>>23460006
There's a different philosophy I guess
For physical cards it's about memorising words short term whereas for anki it's more like a word list and a way to keep up your familiarity with low frequency words long term

>>23459863
As someone who double majored in a stem field and classics, when it comes to this stuff you need to abandon the stemfag minmax mentality where everything you do has to have a use. The fact that you enjoy it is reason enough. Language is fun, and there's so many cool things to do.

>>23443731
Yeah I'll do it
You pick, I'll follow

>>23442984
>>23443006
I know the threads aren't related, but where's Imperium Europae General? Seems that it has been nuked off the board and the archive.

What does e-s, e-m, etc mean in dictionary entries?

>>23460814
Lol pretentious fuckers got what they deserved

ended up reading Crito up to 48b

Crito up to 44d tomorrow
Should we speed up? I've just been pacing it slowly since this kind of reading is helpful for newgods, but we could go faster.

>>23462362
fine by me(anon above), not sure how many greekanons are following

>>23462354
>>23462362
Thanks for your diary asshole, unfortunately nobody cares

>>23462414
thanks, make sure to subscribe

>Reading about ancient lost author
>"A manuscript is said to have existed until the 15th century" when it was lost
Fuck bros...we were so close

>>23443731
>>23460186
So what are we reading brothers?
You want to try something from the Bible, or maybe something else.
We can try reading משלי שועלים https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishl%C3%A8_Shu%27alim
Also what are you reading rn?
I'm reading one chapter of במדבר (numbers) with Rashi every day. After this I want to finally read אור נערב a famous introduction to cabalah.

>>23459130
I don't want to discourage you anon, your writing style is really nice, but it's unnatural to Hebrew speakers.Try learning cursive, it's fast and natural for Hebrew speakers. Or if you want to be a little bit more esoteric try learning rashi script

>>23462594
>>23462604
Fuck off

>>23462594
>>23462604
great idea

季文子三思而後行。子聞之,曰:「再,斯可矣。」
does 再 here imply he should think again (after three times) then act, or that thinking only twice is enough to act?

>>23462594
I guess it depends on whether you want to focus on Biblical Hebrew or Rabbinic Hebrew. Which do you prefer?

Rashi wrote in Old French?
Or did he just use Old French?

Αἴλουρος ἀκούσας ὅτι ἔν τινι ἐπαύλει ὄρνεις νοσοῦσι, σχηματίσας ἑαυτὸν εἰς ἰατρὸν
καὶ τὰ τῆς ἐπιστήμης πρόσφορα ἀναλαβὼν ἐργαλεῖα, παρεγένετο, καὶ στὰς πρὸ τῆς ἐπαύλεως
ἐπυνθάνετο αὐτῶν πῶς ἔχοιεν. Αἱ δὲ ὑποτυχοῦσαι· «Καλῶς, ἔφασαν, ἐὰν σὺ ἐντεῦθεν ἀπαλλαγῇς.»

Fēles, audīta in quādam villā avēs aegrōtārent, sē mūtāvit in medicum.
Instrūmentīs aptīs ad professiōnem sumptīs, pervēnit et stāns ante villam interrogābat
quōmodo eae sē habērent. Respondērunt: «bene, si ab nōbīs discēdēs.»

A cat, having heard that in some villa birds were sick, disguised himself as a doctor. Having picked up the tools suitable for the profession, he arrived. Standing before the villa, he was asking them how they were doing. They responded, "Good, if you leave us alone."

>>23462657
Rashi wrote in Rabbinic Hebrew (some Aramaic influence). He occasionally translates obscure words into old French, written using the Hebrew alphabet (Google Zarphatic)

>>23462673
Ah feels bad man
I want to eventually study Old French so it'd be cool to read some rabbinic literature in it

Btw which languages do you need to deliberately study if you want to go all in with Judaism?
That is, study the Tanakh, the major commentaries, the Talmud and Kaballah?
Obviously you need to study Biblical Hebrew but would you also need to deliberately study Biblical Aramaic?

>>23462686
Hebrew and Aramaic are required but rarely do yeshiva students have decent grammatical knowledge. It seems to come largely from massive amounts of reading. Furthermore it's not the linguistic competence but the religious knowledge that matters to the observant. Obviously the language is a component of that, but a small one.
If you want to go all in with Judaism then find a congregation or rabbi you can study with.

>>23462724
But for a secular researcher I mean
That's kind of cool if what you say about Yeshiva students is true
I imagine that they're brought up with the languages early enough that they can understand the texts but can't explain the grammar

>>23462731
All yeshiva students I know are native Hebrew speakers, so for them Aramaic is easy to read if they know the meaning.
>>23462686
Hebrew, both Biblical and Mishnaic, Aramaic (Babylonian, Targumic and Biblical - it seems a lot but they are very similar).
Also modern Hebrew is very useful, you can find many lectures of rabbis on most books you'd ever want to study. And if you speak modern Hebrew you can even get into online study groups and pretend that you are Jewish (for most Israelis if you speak Hebrew you are a Jew)

>>23462647
For me Rabbinic Hebrew would be better, so how do we read it? I've never participated in a group reading in any language on 4chan, do you want me to post some parts of the text, and then we can translate it?
Also important message to other hebranons - nearly everything outside of the bible will be written without nikud, and it's better to read without it, but there are sites that use AI to generate nikud e.g.https://nakdan.dicta.org.il/

>>23462757
So essential you get a textbook for Biblical Hebrew and a textbook for Aramaic and then afterwards you can just study the rest with some difficulty?
Kind of like studying Attic Greek, then Koine Greek and then Byzantine Greek?

>>23462769
Israeli Hebrew, Rabbinic Hebrew, and Biblical Hebrew are all different periods and registers of one language. Unless you are really opposed to talking to Israelis, learning Hebrew as such is how you will progress the furthest and fastest.

>>23462672
>audīta + subj.
I don't think you can use this actively like this can you?

>tfw when you find a 6 word sentence in a dictionary entry that is almost a page long which explains why there is a random genitive case after a preposition that doesn't take the genitive

>>23462785
Audio is not a deponent, so no I don't believe so. If anything I would use cum + pluperfect subjunctive.

>>23462553
we'll get them back from the Herculaneum scrolls, two weeks, trust the plan

Reading about the beowulf manuscript makes me sad
God bless the antiquarians but also it feels sad

>>23462785
i fucked up. should have been in the infinitive since it is oratio obliqua

>>23462785
>>23462805
I fucked up. I should have used the infinitive since it is oratio obliqua (having heard THAT...accusative subject and verb in the infinitive). Like, audiō tē esse laetum, I hear that you are happy

I am going to start studying Latin only because LLPSI exists

>>23462917
Sī prīncipium difficile, medium erit facile, fīnis jūcundus.

if the beginning is difficult, the middle will be easy, the end delightful.

>>23462769
משלי שועלים sounds cool, then. I'm down to give it a go. Do you have a link?

>>23462594
Personally, I'd rather a Biblical text, as I've got no familiarity with Rabbinic Hebrew. I could probably struggle my way through the latter, but I'd rather not if I can help it.

>>23462604
I got my letters from the Hacket textbook, and it seems pretty similar to most Hebrew type which I've seen, like the BDB or typed Hebrew. Maybe written is different, but I've not seen anything totally at odds with how I've been writing my alphabet.

>>23462686
Define all in? From a scholarly perspective, there are big differences between studying Temple Judaism from Rabbinic Judaism from more modern Judaism. The languages are roughly similar, but you'll want to specialize in Biblical Hebrew if you're studying the Biblical period, or Rabbinic if you're studying post-Temple Judaism. What're you looking into?

>προγενης = older, born before
>progeny = younger, born after
??

>>23462956
How do I maximise my future success in terms of the stress marks?
Should I try to memorise words with or without them?

Has anyone looked into Ammon Hillman's claims here?

>>23463405
Although not absolutely necessary, it is a good habit to cultivate early in your journey. I never bothered out of laziness in the beginning and I regret it. "leve saxum" can mean either a smooth rock or a light rock. With macrons however, it is clear. Example, "lēvis lapidis" = a smooth stone, and "levis lapidis" = a light (i.e. not heavy) stone.
To argue from the other side, the amount of words that are differentiated by a long vowel are not a considerable amount. Furthermore, the majority of Latin text will not have macrons so you'll have to figure out which word is meant anyhow. Lastly, it will be a heavier burden to recognize what a word means and where the macrons go at the same time.
If you do decide to learn words with macrons, use the type in feature in anki to force yourself to write them out every time. Soon enough it will become second nature.

>>23463499
Is the long/short distinction mostly important for recitation?
It seems to me if I'm reading a text I'll have to disambiguate the meanings regardless

>>23442984

for anyone interested there's a book called janua linguarum reserata wich a curiosity cause when you read it it feels like an assimil book from the XVII century.
https://archive.org/details/janualinguarumreseratathegateoflan/mode/2up
enjoy it.

If there was an island with a population of around 500000 people who spoke a form of Latin which was 95% similar to golden age Latin but used the Ecclesiastical pronunciation, would you study Ecclesiastical pronunciation or reconstructed pronunciation?

How is the latin reading group going ?
When are we starting ?

>>23462775
I know they are, but a lot of people learning Biblical Hebrew don't want to learn Israeli Hebrew.

>>23462970
For me all in means to be able to study Judaism in it's totality, from the oldest parts of the Hebrew Bible, to modern commentaries on the Zohar.

If you want to read the Bible, maybe we can read something short, like the book of Ruth?
Is it ok for everyone?

>>23463213
the second is latin derived, even though they have obvious close relationship, pro- in latin here meaning forth in the verb progigno i.e to give birth, hence progenitus, while in the first one the προ has the sense of before

>>23464092
Sure

FIX YOUR SHIT PERSEUS

>>23463783
pōnō genu

>>23464076
That's a massive undertaking, and you won't get the amount of depth in any one area which you could from focusing. Certainly possible, don't get me wrong, but people get PhDs just on Rabbinic Judaism or the other types

>>23463793
Ecclesiastical because reconstructed sounds retarded anyway

>>23464654
Forgot to add.

Level 1. Vestibulum - https://1drv.ms/w/s!An7_1I0nY5pg1DAcfCWZeDEXYAyd
Level 2. Orbis Pictus - https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28299/28299-h/28299-h.htm
Level 3. Janua Linguarum

I was thinking about learnign Latin using LLPSI, but I've read it's actually a gimmick that doesn't really teaches you enough to comfortably read actual texts. What should I use instead?

When did the kikes take over this thread? I'm sorry but it smells awful in here

>>23464838
>take over
posting a couple messages on a artificially bumped general constantly on life support with no real utility whatsoever really does look like taking over lmao
what a palestine of a thread

>>23463666
and to to distinguish between tenses. emit (I buy) vs ēmit (I bought)

>>23464889
he buys vs he bought*

sorry if this is a dumb or a repeated question, but is google translate good for greek pronunciation? if not, where could I go to listen to individual greek words or phrases?

>>23464896
for modern it's probably ok, I don't think it pronounces ancient
on forvo.com you can find pronunciation of ancient Greek words

>>23464896
google tts will use modern pronunciation and ignore breathing and accents. biblingo has multiple pronunciation schemes. outside of that, I can't think of a place that has on-demand audio for ancient greek besides a random athenaze deck ill have to find again on memrise

>>23464911
>>23464919
thanks, though modern greek is fine as far as i'm concerned since i kind of want to visit greece at some point

How has one man unearthed so much esoteric pedagogy

>>23463666
As a native speaker of two languages with such vowel length distinctions (Hungarian and Serbian) I can tell you that you’re absolutely not learning proper Latin if you ignore vowel length. It’s an intrinsic part of the language and poor pedagogy is the only thing that makes people say otherwise. You would never be advised to ignore it in an Estonian or Finnish classroom because the natives would have no idea what the fuck you’re doing and because you’d sound awful. tl;dr you’re ignoring the most important aspect of Latin prosody by not learning about vowel length

>>23464826
Familia Romana will get you to the level where you can read some easier texts with a grammar and dictionary. In many colleges it is used in '1st year Latin' courses - that's a good amount, but far from the whole language. If you mean all of LLPSI with RA and the supplemental volumes then ancient authors are already plentiful within the textbook(s).

>>23465026
Nice try, but no Indo-European language has vowel length natively. It's a semitic feature artificially imported by German academics. There is no evidence that latins ever observed any vowel length.

>>23465072
If no IE language has vowel length natively then why significant languages in all major branches write vowel length?

>>23465082
please don't feed the local troll, he thinks he's very funny

Does anyone know any Sanskrit textbooks other than Deshpande and Assimil that have audio recordings as supporting material?

>>23464771
I know bro it's hard to be expert on everything, but it is possible to have basic knowledge on the whole of Jewish civilisation. I don't know everything about Jewish civilization, but I'm able to research nearly every topic, because I know Hebrew and Aramaic, have some familiarity with Bavli, Tanakh with Rashi, Piyutim, Zohar HaKadosh, Religious Zionism etc.. I specialize in Jewish Magic (קבלה מעשית) especially in contemporary Israel, but I have some familiarity with most major Jewish movements. I have MA in Hebrew Studies, but I wrote about one chapter of one book, there I can go into details, but I can research and fact check every Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic extant text if I have to.

can't believe I'm getting my state to pay for me to do a classics minor and actually get to study ancient Greek in an academic context

not practical in any way, but goddamn I am excited

>>23464826
LLPSI is great and all that, but the second half RA is pretty boring, and even if you manage to read through FR, RA and the supplements, you would still not be ready to read Cicero as easily as you would want to.
I still recommend LLPSI, read until the first 5 or 6 chapters of RA, then ditch it for Caesar, then go for Cicero.
When you reach the level of Cicero, by reading a lot of cicero. You can then read Augustine, Seneca, Terence, Plautus, Virgil, Ovid...
And if you are serious about learning latin, I
suggest, at this point, going through a composition course, for the sake of gaining more mastery over the language.

Once you get a good grip over prose, try your hand with poetry and harder latin(Tacitus).

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: Read whatever you want to read, you won't make it far if you are not into the material or find it boring.

>>23459453
...þó lætr Gerðr í Gǫrðum gollhrings við mér skolla.

How's it going, anon?

>>23463666
>is something this language has important when learning this language?

>>23465354
I forgot to add that you also need to go through wheelock or another grammer book in parallel, other wise you are not gonna make it.

>>23465424
>when learning this european language should I add extra sounds in order to sound old and silly?

>>23465194
You're a stupid piece of shit and I hope your parents disown you for your awful choices

Reminder to do your math homework instead of learning a useless dead language

Classical languages should be taught using Esperanto, it would be things so much clear and intuitive. Does someone know if there's any Latin or Greek grammar primer written in it? I haven't been able to find any.
>>23465879
post vocaroo pls

>>23465915
>maaaaaaine kneeeen awwwwyeeeeeday theyawwwwww
I shiggy diggy

>>23464989
I want to fuck him in the ear

>>23442984
>gotta read my latin
>gotta read my ancient greek
>gotta read my french
>on top of all this gotta do my regular reading for pleasure
there's not enough time in the day bros

>>23465414
I'm enjoying it but it's difficult
I started studying German but after a few days I realised I liked Old Norse words better than German words and so I dropped German and picked Old Norse up again
Anyway I'm struggling to understand that passage, is the object of láta Gerðr or skolla?
Yet a woman called Gerðr who is in Constantinople is against me? Is Gerðr of a gold ring or is Constantinople of a gold ring?

for me it's catullus 16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Catullus_16.webm

>>23466123
>is the object of láta Gerðr or skolla?
Neither, Gerðr gollhrings is the agent; this woman performs the action. If we take it literally, to illustrate, we get "though [Gerðr in the yards of goldring] [soars by] [me]" (S-V-O).

>yet a woman called Gerðr who is in Constantinople is against me?
"...yet, the wealthy woman in Kiev ridicules me", as I would have it translated. These lines recur a few times throughout Gamanvísur ("verses of joy"). 'Gerðr' is likely motivated by poetry, and while it is a woman's name, it probably isn't the actual name of the woman in question, and instead just becomes a poetic synonym for a woman, to motivate alliteration with 'gollhringr'; the name should be understood as a single unit (like "golden gerty" or similar, to use an English analogy). 'Í Gǫrðum' here actually means "in Garðaríki", ie Russia, or more specifically Kiev. 'Skolla við einhverjum' is a phrasal verb with a highly idiomatic meaning, and here it means something like denying, rejecting, or even mocking, and the ridiculee is the poet.
Or to put it into vulgar English: "and still this rich lass sods me off, fuckin' 'ell". Peak incel poem.

>>23466271
How do you know it's Garðaríki and not Miklagarðr?
It's annoying that my dictionary doesn't state that gollhringr is a poetic reference to wealth
Anyway I plan on sticking with prose for the foreseeable future, I have enough trouble with idioms in prose
Also til that e.m stands for einhverjum, no wonder nobody could help me with that abbreviation

>>23466352
>How do you know it's Garðaríki and not Miklagarðr?
Because 'gǫrðum'... 'garðar' ("yards") is an established synonym to 'Garðaríki' ("kingdom of yards").

>It's annoying that my dictionary doesn't state that gollhringr is a poetic reference to wealth
Well, there would be no reason to get into that. in this instance it's, like I said, part of the name. If you're familiar with modern Scandinavian languages, you'll see how it's possible to form names like that, e.g. "Guldrings-Gerd" <- there's a quality to her that is that of goldrings (= she is wealhy and wears expensive jewelry).

>Also til that e.m stands for einhverjum, no wonder nobody could help me with that abbreviation
I could've, but I don't post here often.

>>23463958
I think one anon wanted to start with the Aeneid. I read it already but I'm up to follow, idk if perhaps the other latin anons are maybe not ready for poetry and would prefer something simpler in prose.

>>23466543
I'd love to start with a simpler prose work. I've gone through the first page or so of the Aeneid, but if I'm honest I'm really not there yet. Starting simpler and then moving to poetry would be nice.

>>23466543
The Aeneid is far too ambitious for me. I'd be happy to follow along through a simpler work, but poetry is beyond me.

>>23466558
>>23466561
Is the Aeneid that tough? I don't mean this in a bragging sense, but I was educated on poetry way back when, so the forms and syntax are just familiar.

>>23466571
I guess it depends on what the point of the readalong is. I already do daily Latin readings, so I wouldn't mind the readalong being something simple to keep me fresh that I can chat with other anons about. If other anons want the readalong to be the focus of their studies, the Aeneid would probably be good. I'd still join in either case, but that's my two cents.

>>23466571
All of my attempts at reading poetry have been discouraging to say the least.

Why are Latinlets so pathetic? I feel like every time I see someone in this thread who's studied for 12 years or whatever and still can't read a page in an hour it's a Latinlet. With all that shared vocabulary and all those resources you could just git gud by reading, but you don't. Mf I picked Latin up casually while learning Greek. Truly the weakest of the weak

Personally I'm aiming at being able to read 10-20 pages of Latin a day
Anything less than that just seems pointless

>>23466878
Aim not to read, but to understand

>>23466104
Put languages on a cycle. I balance 6 languages like that.

We can read Caesar, the civil wars ?

>>23467285
>>23466576
>>23466561
>>23466558
>>23466543
>muh readalong
Are you adults? How embarrassing is it to be so incapable of action that you seek consensus on 4chan to read a book?
What's the point of a readalong anyways? Will it be as thrilling as the Greek readalong which amounted to one or two posts of 'yep, I read that too'? Why do you need others to be reading the same thing as you at the same time? Look how hesitant you are to even begin. Do you really think some 4chan weirdo will have anything insightful or intriguing to say that will alter your entire reading experience?
Just fucking read, quit making excuses or looking for support groups or whatever bullshit you come up with. People have been reading Latin for thousands of years yet you faggots need a happyfuntime singalong group for some reason. Pathetic.

>>23467311
A readalong is secondary to actually reading, nobody here wants to participate in the readalong as their only way to actually read latin. I would like to think that it is also a fun way to read, getting motivated, helping each other, giving insight.

Sorry, you missed the point anon, but that's okay, you can always participate in the readalong, we would love your participation.

>>23467210
No
Language acquisition is all about reading and reading as much as possible
Once you've read 10000 pages of Latin you can start focusing on 'understanding' but until then you need to learn the language

>>23467585
>t. can't read or understand Latin

I learned English by watching thousands of hours of let's play minecraft videos. What would be the equivalent for Latin that doens't involve reading cl*ssical texts?

listen to Luke Ranieri reciting poetry while you sleep

>>23467618
isn't there a minecraft channel in latin?

>>23467618

r/latin is actually so ass it's not even funny. Fuck Luke Ranieri (TM) for promoting Latin tois pollois.
>why r u on reddit faggot
Blindly hating reddit is newfaggotry, hobby and academic subreddits are sometimes decent. r/ancientgreek for instance is okay.

>>23468082
Like literally the first post on there right now is "How should I translate DBG into Greek? (I don't know Greek btw)"

>>23463783
thanks, an interesting read so far. it is curious that he, in the 1600s, defines a week as consisting of eight days.
that's normally associated with calendars from the Etruscan era, or at least pre-Constantine.

>>23468082
>Blindly hating reddit is newfaggotry
>blindly

Does Esperanto qualify as a classical language? It has literature and it's pretty much dead.

>>23468118
I just mean instinctively hating on any mention of reddit. Obviously there are good reasons to hate redditors.

>>23465915
>>23468133
Have a (you) for your trolling efforts.

greekbros, ended up reading all of Crito and re-reading it today beyond the schedule
it was a good read, I like Plato's style too, very nice to read, is his heavy usage of the gerundive peculiar? didn't meet it that much in other authors I've read so far

>>23468114
>SEPTimana
>OCTO dies

What did he mean by this

These two lines were fucking me up yesterday and still are today. The context is that they are discussing whether it is right for a man to kill his slave, and someone has just brought up that it wasn't legal to kill those guilty of patricide in Athens.
The response:
>Quia nemo Atheniensis umquam post hominum memoriam patrem suum occiderat, nec ille vir sapientissimus arbitrabatur quemquam postea tam inhumanum scelus facturum esse.
>At profecto aliud est patrem suum necare, [longe aliud servum scelestum capite punire], illud enim turpissimum scelus, hoc supplicium iustum est.

My translation:
>Because nobody of Athens ever in the memory of man killed their father, not that the wisest man decreed that it was too inhuman and horrible to be done to anyone going forward.
>But indeed it is so that people kill the fathers of others, [For a long time another wicked slave killed by decapitation], indeed that is the foulest wickedness, (and) this is a just punishment.

I think I've parsed the first line, but the part in brackets I just can't make sense of. Why is punire infinitive? Thanks.

>>23468631
>Why is punire infinitive?
part of the clause introduced by aliud...aliud aka "one thing is....another....", same reason why necare is infinitive
>At profecto aliud est patrem suum necare, [longe aliud servum scelestum capite punire], illud enim turpissimum scelus, hoc supplicium iustum est.
>But one thing is to kill your own father, another far different thing is to condemn to death a wicked slave, the former being a most abominable crime, the latter a just punishment
also
>Quia nemo Atheniensis umquam post hominum memoriam patrem suum occiderat, nec ille vir sapientissimus arbitrabatur quemquam postea tam inhumanum scelus facturum esse.
>For no Athenian man had ever killed his own father as far as people could remember, nor that very wise man thought anyone afterwards would perpetrate such an inhumane crime

>>23468671
Thanks a bunch, that clears up everything.

are there texts musing on the visitation of prostitues and its moral implications in your classical language?

>>23468089
>DBG
wtf is DBG

>>23468996
De Bello Gallico, I guess

>>23469003
huh, being reddit I was expecting some marvel or disney slop

>>23467285
that'd be fine, or maybe short biographies like those in Nepos, would be more contained while still being an easy author

>>23468773
off-topic

>be anon
>having fun studying Old Norse
>come across a preposition and a superlative adjective
>search it up in the best Old Norse dictionary available in English
>nearly instantly find what I'm looking for which is a miracle
>no english translation, only Latin provided
Goddamn it

כולם מוכנים? מתחילים לקרוא ספר רות בס"ד
Are you ready? We begin to read book of Ruth in Hebrew https://mechon-mamre.org/c/ct/c2901.htm
How much time do you need for the 1st chapter?

What's up, ye faggots!? I am updating you're disintegrated bungholes on the Ancient Greek A 21st Century Approach question. I'm still quite dissatisfied with it. I've gotten Cultura Classica's Logos now, and will make it my immediate primary text and render the former my supplemental reference. I do very much like AG:A21stCA's explanations of grammar and excerpts, as well as the video readings and singings of texts which you can view along with certain chapters.

My reading is becoming fairly fluid now. My pronunciation is getting better as well. Soon, I'll have you all kiss the ring (metaphorically, o' course; can't have lips which touch men's buttholes touching my jewelry, o' course).

>>23469554
Great Idea, let's read two biographies a week starting next week.

Miltiade - Thémistocle (next week)

>>23470044
As quickly as possible
This is why you should learn Latin, its influence is felt in nearly every aspect of Western culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cf90evb9XE
>Polórum Regína ómnium nostra,
>Stella matutína dele scélera.
>Ante partum virgo Deo grávida.
>Semper permansísti invioláta,
>Stella matutína dele scélera.
Based on my french knowledge I think the third line means 'before leaving, God made the virgin ascend'
I've been listening to Latin music recently and it's nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsYAbs9W6D0
Love this song

>>23470644
It means
>before the birth, a virgin pregnant with God

>>23470649
Oh I was totally off
What does the rest say?

>>23470175
שבוע טוב. I'm willing to have chapter 1 done by the next thread אי"ה

>>23469741
Chinese is more topical than Hebrew.

So when are we starting the Latin readalong? I can start putting it together myself but it seemed as though someone else was setting it up.

>>23471258
I'm fine with >>23470382 's plan

Don't look up. Why are you studying dead languages instead of math?

>>23471308
>implying I don't do both

>>23471315
You can't do both well. There simply aren't the hours in a human life.

>>23470731
יופי I can do also make it for the next thread. If you want I can read רש"י ם on this chapter, this can give us rabbinical context.
In my opinon interesting topic to resarch - name etymology. It's always interesting to know what names mean, especially because they are repeated multiple times.

>>23471325
uhm nuh huh bitch, learning languages is a slow marathon, you only need a little but constant effort every day as long as you keep going at it for few years

>>23471258
>>23471280
What about starting with only one biography a week, for now. Which means reading the preface and miltiades next week.

We can always speed up the pace later.

>>23469554
>>23470382
>>23471392
How will this work? We read a different part of the biography a day, read the whole thing at our leisure over a week and talk on a given day?
Link for those who need it:
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0136%3Alife%3Dmilt.%3Achapter%3D1%3Asection%3D1

>>23471412
How about we read it at our leisure over the week, and discussion is open about that part for the whole week.

>>23471308
Sell me on studying more math. What specifically should I study and what will I be able to do with that knowledge? I already have a firm grasp of undergraduate level subjects like calculus, linear algebra, differential equations, and the like, and I don't see an obvious path forward.

>>23471465
>I already have a firm grasp
No you don't. You think you do from your undergraduate classes.
Find a PDF copy of Serge Lang's Algebra and see how little you really know. Or do Terrence Tao's Analysis if Calculus was more your thing.

>>23471491
Skimming through Lang, I don't see anything unfamiliar. Granted, it has been many years since I did any proofs, but I never found that very interesting.

Learning a dead language has obvious progress and culminates in reading literature in that language. Something as vague as 'study math' is so open ended as to be useless. What is a reasonable self study path, and more importantly, what goal would I even be working towards? Sell me on 'math'.

>>23471596
Unless you were a graduate student in math, you did not prove anything to the level of rigor that Lang demands. You know about Algebra but you don't know Algebra.
>reading literature
Private pleasure. Useless and selfish.
>math is open ended
Good. Keep proceeding through it into old age and accidentally benefit the world on the way.

>>23470044
Based Latin/Greek knowing 20th c philologists btfoing redditor who started Old Norse because of the tv show Vikings

>>23471630
>you have to benefit le world because umm...you just DO, ok!?

>>23471647
Enjoy the extinction of your name before your death.

>>23471630
kek, ok dude. I was hoping for some practical outline of study, or something inspiring to work towards, but I guess larping and insults are all you can expect here.

>>23443168
by having autism

>>23470828
>>23468773
The seventh proverb of scripture

Can οιος (hoios) mean “able” alone, without τε? I’m looking at Republic 334d2, οιοι μη

>>23471644
Actually 19th century
Why is it that 19th scholars produced these gigantic works of scholarship which haven't seem to be replicated since?
If you look at the translators of Chinese or Indian literature, it was those from the 19th century who translated so much of it, some of which still hasn't been translated again today

>>23472547
Because those were the original translations, and a lot of the time, there's no need for further translations. Either you look at the original text by itself, or you look at the translation, or you look at the translation, and if you see something curious, then you look at the original text.

>>23472547
There were still unexplored regions of the world and ideas
No radio, TV, movies, vidya
White Man's Burden

>>23462775
i agree with this. the whole modern vs biblical vs rabbinic hebrew distinction is way overplayed.
Im learning modern hebrew but have strong exposure to biblical and rabbinic hebrew and the learning is 100% complementary: what i learn in modern hebrew applies to biblical hebrew, and vice versa. The only difference is the grammar, but since noone speaks or writes biblical hebrew, you just need to understand it, and exposure is enough for that. ive never looked up or opened a book on biblical hebrew grammar but understand it through exposure.

unless youre an academic researcher you don't actually need to understand the intricacies of biblical hebrew grammar, and so modern and biblical hebrew are essentially the same language.

>>23472526
yeah, can essentially also be derived from the basic meaning of οἷος as "such" as in the "the kind of people who...." i.e "capable of "

Reminder: Translating as you read is for plebs.

>>23473117
Translating as you read is fine so long as you read left to right imo

>>23473124
AND YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE AND IT IS IRREVOCABLE, PLEB!

Do you guys recommend listening to recordings of Familia Romana?
There's one I found in the OP mega

>>23473293
Why not? In my Latin classes, we used to listen to the Cambridge Latin Course recordings. It's helpful to hear audio with a language. I've been devouring all the quality audio I can find for Ancient Greek.

so Latinsisters are we reading Nepos then? I read the praefatio already, do we do Militiades?

>>23474135
We are reading Tacitus' Histories, Book 1

>>23471703
>Enjoy the extinction of your name before your death.
I wish, the system will never allow you to escape the matrix.

>pronuntiatio restituta
friendly reminder that you're just replacing an anachronistic pronunciation with a made up one

>>23474135
Yeah

HOLY TRIPS
NOVUM
>>23475000
>>23475000
>>23475000

>>23475002
goblin thread, ignore, I will make the proper one and update the rentry links

>leave /lit/ for several weeks
>Come back
>/clg/ is still shit

>>23475013
Just use the thread that's there now. It doesn't realistically make any difference who the OP is. It's just a general on 4chan.

>>23475026
nope, it discourages all classical language posters, which are welcome since 2021 at least

>>23475022
/clg/ has always been shit and always will be.

>>23475022
mods are useless

>>23475032
So? Just post about whatever language in that thread. There aren't any changes to the OP. You are going to get /clg/ banned if you keep this up.

>>23475039
nope

everyone remember: check the rentry link for the real thread

>>23475036
>>23475036
>>23475036

>>23475047
You are just going to get clg banned like this but alright

REAL THREAD HERE PPL
>>23475069
>>23475069
>>23475069

>>23471308
i studied greek and latin and just finished a textbook on multivariable calculus. this is not an XOR

You fucking morons really made 4 simultaneous /clg/ threads because of 1 fucking shitposter. Wow. This nolifer has successfully broken this thread's mental state harder and quicker than any 'le bald man' or 'wheelock sucks' poster ever could.

Congrats honestly.

>>23476396
he probably made two or three himself
you know which one is the right one by simply looking at the rentry link and reporting the others as well as giving feedback to the mods

>>23475022
The whole board is shit.