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I might read it if it's written in a simple, clean style.

It only takes 200 years to not be autistic anymore? I don't know much about autism, but surely it's not just a matter of training yourself out of it. Might want to look into that.

>autistic man
>blatant self-insert
>Would you read a book like this? Is it worth writing?

Fuck no. Also, if you think autists are capable of acquiring EQ with time, you are sadly mistaken.

I'd totally read that if you could pull it off.

If you need some inspiration for an autistic narrator, I'd suggest you read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime btw.

>>2340609
I've read it, and liked it. I also made a decision early on that the narration would never be from that man's point of view.
>>2340607
>self insert
whatever.
>think they can acquire EQ
no, this is fiction dipshit.
>>2340606
high functioning autism can be extremely mild to the point that when a person ages enough they are barely distinguishable from normal people.

>>2340610

Autism has always been a nebulous proposition anyway so, fuck, I suppose it's possible (except for the 100% farm-able land shit, that's just retarded, if a planet had a perfectly circular orbit and zero axial tilt the entire equatorial surface area would most likely be a punishing desert environment, not Iowa).

1.) I'd read it if I had time to kill, but I'll read anything. Whether it's worth writing depends on your goal (money, bitches, recognition, plain old articulation, etc), so that's between you and you.

2.)If the manuscript isn't total low tier fanfiction.net filth, and you don't care about whether or not you make money, then yes you can almost always find someone who will publish you on some level. That doesn't mean a distribution deal with Barnes and Noble but you shouldn't have a problem with small local shops etc.

also; if you pastebin your draft I'm sure someone here would look through it for you to one extent or another.

>>2340547

Autism is a genetic flaw, so it doesn't really work like that.

>>2340642
I simplified the part about the planet, there is an explanation for it. The planet is really humid and atmospheric lensing and long photo periods spread the light across the whole surface keeping it warm from it's dark coloration, despite it's far orbit arous its star.
>>2340641
I guess I should say aspergers, saying autism, no matter how high functioning it is does imply something more severe. I do understand the proposed mechanisms of autism, but as I said before this is fiction.

Reminds me of a P.K. Dick novel on Mars, in which a autistic boy had a different perception of time.

>>2340655
What type of star? Yellow dwarf?

>>2340666

Nah, We put the yellow star on kikes, man. I think retards like OP got orange ones.

>>2340675

Intimates member detected.

>>2340666
White dwarf.
>>2340664
That sounds really interesting. The most notable thing ths man discovers is the portals, which are intensely dangerous due to the matter intervening between the openings. If volume isn't considered properly, and the swartzchild radius is reached the matter becomes a singularity. Also if something is in the fold when it unfolds it is spaghettified to the length between the openings of the fold with deformation equal to the inverse of the fold. If folds are made too tight, the atmosphere within the fold reacts with itself under high pressure creating nitrous oxide, liquid water, carboxylic acid, and amides, upon unfolding it is prone to explode or burst into flames as the energy from the reactions is dispersed. The man has other minor abilities, with perfect memory and removal of the blocks that come with autism he can recall every sound and color he has experienced and other things.

>>2340607
>autistic man
>blatant self-insert

This. And fucking hell it's blatant.

>>2340693
Not everyone on 4chan is autistic. Quit projecting. What is wrong with a self insert anyway? I have always thought a self insert, if it is done with modesty, would be acceptable. It allows the author to write what they know without guessing.

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>>2340699
I've never had any problem with inserts as long as the author doesn't try to pretend it's anything else, or bitch when a reader goes looking for other things. I actually prefer it sometimes.

>>2340730
I think the biggest problem with self inserts is that it is hard not to put forward and exaggerate the best parts about yourself, which can come off as narcissism. For an example, the web-comic "the least I could do" is just about as blatant and self-centered a self insert could possibly be.

>>2340741

It could be worse John, alot worse.

>see neo-tokyo

>a book about a high functioning autistic man
>He has all the time he needs to understand human emotion
>learns to manipulate space to form folds across any distance
>his attempts to explain the way he bends space are lost on the people he talks to
>the government of this world assign a young apprentence who also has an eidectic memory to learn and help explain it
Basically, being autistic is super awesome. They are the ubermenschen. It just reads like some kind of weird fantasy.

Also, collective conscious called the intimates? Freud would have a field day.

>>2340748

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar buddy. He's not selling a yugo as a mercedes, relax. And I'm not even the op, jesus fuck.

>>2340754
>And I'm not even the op
And I am a dog, lol

>>2340748
No, being autistic isn't supposed to come off as awesome. He isn't supposed to be superior to anyone, and it certainly isn't inherent to all people with autism. The stipulation is based on being a savant, which is an extremely rare condition that occasionally overlaps with high functioning autism. Arguably the only reason savants aren't extremely successful is because they lack interpersonal skills. If you drop a man in china he will learn Chinese eventually. My premise is that he learnt emotion like a language, it just took him a long time to understand it fully and put it all into context so that he could use it innately like normal people do.

I never said collective consciousness, if I implied it, that was a mistake. The people share tissues to allow for efficiency in resources, so a colony would have several hearts and brains, and several other vital organ systems, but could maintain life in every member of the colony even when stress on a single member would have been enough to kill it.

>>2340757
Op here, that really wasn't me.

>>2340762
>No, being autistic isn't supposed to come off as awesome. He isn't supposed to be superior to anyone, and it certainly isn't inherent to all people with autism. The stipulation is based on being a savant, which is an extremely rare condition that occasionally overlaps with high functioning autism.
>man with a savant like memory
Also, savants are nearly always not high functioning.
>Arguably the only reason savants aren't extremely successful is because they lack interpersonal skills. If you drop a man in china he will learn Chinese eventually. My premise is that he learnt emotion like a language, it just took him a long time to understand it fully and put it all into context so that he could use it innately like normal people do.
And that he can just bend time and space. Maybe you need to already feel that learning emotion and bending time and space are equally difficult.

>I never said collective consciousness, if I implied it, that was a mistake. The people share tissues to allow for efficiency in resources, so a colony would have several hearts and brains, and several other vital organ systems, but could maintain life in every member of the colony even when stress on a single member would have been enough to kill it.
Freud has thrown the towel in, that shit's messed up.

You can't spell apprentice. So no. Don't write a book you fucking moron

>>2340778
Your first point is valid, they are extremely rare, that is why this is a story and not something that actually happens. Secondly, if you had centuries of experience to draw upon, do you really think it is so far fetched to be able to do some staggering things? Last, of course the intimates are messed up, why do you think there is tension between normal humans and them. In no way did I advocate for them, I clearly made them the villain.

>>2340786
>hurf durf! Typos mean you are instantly, and forever an idiot.

>>2340778

You're post is a phallic symbol. Freud has thrown in his cigar for good measure.

>>2340792

>Meanwhile there is a war over a planet called "Breadworld" upon which nearly the entire surface is suitable for farming year round, due to a non-elliptical orbit, and an axis tilt of zero.

wouldn't that just do away with seasons, and make a larger area cold year-round?

I mean a planet is roughly the shape of a sphere (a little squashed due to rotation) so by necessity wouldn't the difference in year-round temperatures be significant between the equator and the 45th parallels? either the 45ths would be too cold or the equator would be too hot.

>>2340791

Apprentence is not a typo of apprentice. Notice the en replacing the i and not just a single letter replacing the i but an actually thought out set of letters.

Fucking retard. Go back to school before you make an editor commit suicide reading your monstrosity.

>>2340791
>I clearly made them the villain.
How you view physical intimacy is monstrous and villainous. It is not the tension between normal humans and them, it is really the tension between you and your parents' sexuality.

>Secondly, if you had centuries of experience to draw upon, do you really think it is so far fetched to be able to do some staggering things?
In short: plot holes are solved by experience. It's dumb.

>medical science makes people nigh-immortal
>hasn't cured autism yet

that's why people think you are autistic, btw

>>2340802

I lol'd

>>2340802
That isn't a plot hole, its a plot point, notice the theme mentioning genetic engineering, in this case autism is not fixed because of Luddites who are against tampering with genes. The cause for the longer lifespans is not from a genetic modification, but geriatric treatment.
>>2340796
If I had noticed that I typed it like that I would have fixed it. What do you want from me?
>>2340797
I didn't say I have the viewpoints of the people in the story. I am also not saying that I don't, but you are assuming that I do without cause.

I also have an explanation for the folds, they are actually based in real physics that exist in reality.

>>2340813

If it was just a misspelling such as u instead of i due to their proximity on the keyboard I would be fine. The fact you used en shows you consciously thought that was the correct method of spelling apprentice.

Hence, learn to fucking spell. Don't even attempt to write a book before you master the basics.

>>2340813
in this case autism is not fixed because of Luddites who are against tampering with genes. The cause for the longer lifespans is not from a genetic modification, but geriatric treatment.

elaborate. I'm not sure you've actually thought this through and whether you think so or not this is actually really important in establishing the reality of your premise.

>>2340825
sorry, meant to greentext that, obviously

>>2340819
I know what you mean, but I wrote that on my phone and I have stubby thumbs. I do know how apprentice is spelled, I made an error.
>>2340830
I could tell, don't worry.
>>2340825
There is an outright ban on tampering with the human genome, and eugenics following the first interaction with intimates, and the knee jerk reaction by the government has stayed a law due to paranoia in a mostly tuned-out populace. Cloning tissue is permitted, but only for the subject it is cloned from, if you have a genetic heart defect you are shit out of luck.

>1. Would you read a book like this? Is it worth writing?
No, it's dumb. No.
>2. I don't really know anything about publishing, if I resign to make no money at all can I expect to publish?
Yes, vanity publishing, Amazon.

>>2340819

>If your thought process while typing isn't exactly like mine then your an idiot.

>bashes autism errywher

The fuck is goin on here?

>>2340837
to add onto this, if you do end up writing and self-publishing (that's what you meant by "if I resign to make no money at all can I expect to publish?" right?) first spend some of that initial investment in getting a professional editor, hopefully one specializing in the field of speculative fiction, to fix your shit up first. if your writing in this thread is any indication, you're going to need some polish before producing anything worth paying for.

>>2340847
>you're going to need some polish
Polishing a turd...

>>2340836
>There is an outright ban on tampering with the human genome, and eugenics following the first interaction with intimates, and the knee jerk reaction by the government has stayed a law due to paranoia in a mostly tuned-out populace. Cloning tissue is permitted, but only for the subject it is cloned from, if you have a genetic heart defect you are shit out of luck.

I was asking more about "geriatric treatment" - what does this mean?

furthermore who are these luddites and why do they not have a problem with space travel or self-cloning or these geriatric treatments you're talking about?

>>2340847
My writing in this thread is not an indication at all. Why would I write in the same style in both places?
>>2340825
I just now realized the post you responded to had several points, which one was I supposed to elaborate?

>>2340855
>My writing in this thread is not an indication at all. Why would I write in the same style in both places?

please, trust me, you are going to need an editor

otherwise you will sell less than 20 copies of this on amazon, not even enough to cover the cost of registering the ISBN

>>2340854
Space travel is uncommon besides shipping from crop worlds because you don't need to keep the food warm, unmanned cold ships with preserved food travel back and forth, coasting. Complaining about it would be like complaining about semi-trucks.

geriatric treatment meaning anything from cheap and fast organ transplants from cloned reserves, to simple treatments like pills for every ill. As people became more adept at making medicine, a domino effect of discovering active compounds occurred, and many problems thought not to be treatable are cured. I believe this is a likely chain of events to occur, because it has been for the last eighty years. People are concerned about genetic tampering because of paranoia about things which would never happen anyway. Like being forced into having kids without the same genes as you. In an overreaction all human gene research is barred.
>>2340861
Of course I would use an editor. I was just saying that I don't write on 4chan like I write a book. I also really don't care about money, I would put a torrent of the audiobook up myself if more people would check it out.

>>2340870
>I would put a torrent of the audiobook up myself if more people would check it out.
You'd need people to seed it.

>>2340872
I'd seed it. I am not sure what you are trying to say.

>>2340870
>Space travel is uncommon besides shipping from crop worlds because you don't need to keep the food warm
Cooling is the issue in space travel.

>>2340873
>I am not sure what you are trying to say.
That's the autism.

>>2340874
yes it would be, if the ships had propulsion systems or any electronics. they are basically boxes full of food that freezes in space as the box cools. They are launched from low orbit by other vessels that aren't space faring.

>>2340880
> they are basically boxes full of food that freezes in space as the box cools.
How does it cool in space?

>>2340876
I knew what you meant, but you couldn't possibly be serious unless you are completely oblivious about torrents.

>you'd need people to seed it
as in
>nobody would download it, so nobody would be seeding.
but you only need one seeder for a torrent to function. Hell I would put it on a file-sharing site besides torrents. You are missing the point anyway. Which is: I don't care if people don't pay, I don't care if they don't know who wrote it, I only want to put if out there.

>>2340883
This right here is why english majors don't make any money.

>>2340883
they aren't air tight, as the air leaves the compartment which contains the food (which is mostly dehydrated grains, so there is no additional desiccation that takes place) the drop in pressure causes cooling.

>>2340893
Honestly.

captcha
hopsteri scientific

>>2340895
>the drop in pressure causes cooling
No it doesn't.

>>2340898
Yea actually it does. If you really don't think so, I won't even try to convince you. Just go look at ANY of the gas laws.

A better question to ask is, why do you think it would be hot? what is heating it? At any rate the food could not spoil because there is no life in the vacuum.

>>2340904
So the gas that has gone into the vacuum of space and cooled is cooling the ship how?
>A better question to ask is, why do you think it would be hot? what is heating it?
Radiation, duh.
>At any rate the food could not spoil because there is no life in the vacuum.
Yeah... also, food can spoil by purely chemical means.

>>2340921
hey look someone who actually knows what he's talking about holy crap

>>2340921
Right... the chemicals they are reacting with which aren't there, got it.

Background Radiation accounts for a grand total of three degrees Celsius, try again. I never said they are anywhere close to a star, I even said that breadworld has a distant orbit.

The gas takes energy with it, this is how convection works.

>>2340923
He appears to, yes.

>>2340921
sci/ trolling my lit/? Can not be!!

OP here, its been a fun an informative thread, I got the best response I could have hoped for. Good evening.

>>2340926
>Right... the chemicals they are reacting with which aren't there, got it.
Carbon double bonds will degrade in the presence of radiation, which can make oils rancid.
>Background Radiation accounts for a grand total of three degrees Celsius, try again. I never said they are anywhere close to a star, I even said that breadworld has a distant orbit.
Background radiation has little to do with it. Net heat gained by radiation would be greater than net heat lost by radiation.
>The gas takes energy with it, this is how convection works.
No. Convection is transport of heat within a fluid. To heat up a gas, a solid has to heat it primarily by conduction, and this heat is transported around the fluid primarily by convection. The gas and the ship will distribute energy so that they're equal temperature at first. When the gas is lost, there may be some small cooling effect, but this will decrease as the amount of air decreases (less gas particles in contact with the solid ship means lower conductance, less gas particles to distribute heat to means less heat transport). Then there's the heat gained by the friction of the gas against the ship as it escapes...

>>2340952
where do you think this radiation is coming from? allow me to simplify for proof of concept. If you puncture a pressurized aerosol can, the gas escapes and the can becomes very cold. Imagine this on a much larger scale, and fuck, lets say the damn thing is made of lead so less radiation (although it wouldn't stop gamma well) gets in, and it has a mirror sheen so light doesn't heat it well either. So a radiation shielded box the size of a cargo ship vents the air around the food, as this happens the temperature drops, which will freeze the food, eventually it will reach the same level of being a vacuum as the space it is in, which leaves no chance for any warm matter to reheat the food.

right?

>>2340956
Brace yourself, this is the part where he doesn't reply.

>>2340956
That's cooling by phase change. Shake an aerosol can. You'll hear a liquid up in there. It's the liquid becoming a gas that cools the can.

Also, lead is good at absorbing radiation, it would increase heating. A "mirror" surface would work for some electromagnetic radiation. Lot of radiation in space is protons, alpha and beta radiation.

>>2340973
And something that's good at reflectance is shit poor at radiating. Think of a metal slide after a hot day. Damn hot.

>>2340972
guess not, huh

>>2340973
but space isn't hot. its cold as fuck. Forget the mirrored surface, paint it white.

>>2340981
If space is so cold, why is the sun so hot?

>>2340547
no one is going to read your ponderous book other than perhaps your grandmother

>>2340983
pressure from gravity causes fusion.

>>2340987
But the sun is in space. Ergo, space is hot.

>>2340983
becuase ur mum

>>2340977
>He thinks metal is bad at radiating heat.

Now I understand why they build nuclear reactors out of wood.

>>2340990
but I already said the ship is far from any stars until it docks.

>>2340989
It's amazing how they cool it with nothing but metal. Certainly not massive amounts of water, which would maybe drive a turbine.

>>2340991
But radiation travels forever.

>>2340994
but not in parallel lines... this is why things look small when they are far away.

also, only gamma really travels forever

>>2340996
An object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

>>2340993
>He wants to build a ship with water.

intresting...

>>2340999
I like it.

>>2341001
right, and pretty alpha radiation is susceptible to gravity, and so is beta to a lesser extent. the only thing that stops gamma is black holes and hitting something.
>>2340999
>>2340993
you could not have missed the point worse. water is one of the best insulators in the universe, only thing which I know of that is better is liquid ammonia. with water you could hold on to heat for 20 times as long as metal.

>>2340999

>>2341004
>Still thinks metal is a poor conductor of heat

>>2341014
you have me confused with somebody else. I know first hand how great metal can conduct heat. There is a reason stove elements are made of metal.

>>2341015

>>2341004
>right, and pretty alpha radiation is susceptible to gravity, and so is beta to a lesser extent
So is electromagnetic radiation. See gravity lensing.
> the only thing that stops gamma is black holes and hitting something.
The same things as the other forms of radiation...

>>2341020
alpha can be redirected by something as simple as passing near an object with gravity. This isn't about electromagnetic radiation, it only lenses around enormously massive things like galaxies or black holes.

Just to be clear, BUILDING A SHIP OUT OF METAL DOES NOT RADIATE THE CONTENTS.

>>2341029
I don't think that was ever the question.

Its about the food, does it spoil or not? a simple question. I say no it will keep basically forever.

Oh my god /lit/ trying to discuss science.

Please let this never happen again.

>>2341032
honestly we should archive this so people will be warned.

>>2341025
All objects "have gravity"...

Not that this matters for whether any of those could hit a spaceship.

>>2341031
I disagree, the bread would go stale.

>>2341036
I accidentally a word, I meant to say sufficient gravity, as in, something like an asteroid or larger. Gamma passes that shit and can even go through it.

>laymans terms even though I think you already get it
alpha is like a slingshot pellet
beta is like a pistol shot
gamma is like rail from a railgun
>>2341041
it isn't literally bread, its the grains for the bread.

>>2341043
So far way from any stars, there are loads of asteroids (and larger) just flying about in your world? Wouldn't that be a problem for the spaceships?

And then why isn't it called grain world?

>>2341033

Archive this as a sticky with a NO watermarked all over it.

>>2341043

HOW ABOUT
Alpha stopped by paper
Beta stopped by clothes
Gamma stopped by a foot of lead

/THREAD

NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>2341048
the ships aren't manned, they have no equipment on them nobody cares if you lose one of your fleet because nobody died. I also wasn't trying to say alpha would never hit the ships because it would be deflected, I was saying that it isn't really an issue compared to the others because so much of it is caught. No, there wouldn't be asteroids in the space path the ship would be taking (hopefully, you can't account for everything)

>>2341055
there we go, but that was never the point of the thread. DOES THE FOOD SPOIL?

>>2341057
I'm pretty sure you'd care if you lost a massive ship of grain, one big enough to deflect high energy radiation.

The alpha radiation would still heat up the ship.

>>2341052
Seconded.

Literature is about more than getting nitpicky science facts right, though that helps of course.

I would read this book.

>>2341064
you shall.

>>2341064
>sci-fi
>literature

>>2341062
1. nobody said the ship could deflect high energy radiation
2. the ship would be part of a massive fleet of cargoship sized grain space-tankers, when we lose a cargo ship, it isn't the end of the world.

>>2341075
pick both

>>2341078
If it's a fleet then it's more likely more than one will be hit by one asteroid.

>>2341081
>pick both
>frank herbert

>>2341083
they aren't traveling together in a cloud, I meant fleet as in they are all part of the same shipping system. probably one would be launched per day as crops cycle around the planet in stratified bands.

>>2341085
I can't tell if you agree, but I am going to assume you don't.

Frank Herbert wrote stories within sci-fi, not sci-fi with stories in it.

OP has the right idea, if you don't think sci-fi can be literature, you are no true scotsman.

>>2341098
and?

>>2341101
selecting for one trait is a bad idea.

>>2341103
that is probably a troll/counter-troll pic from /sci/

Okay, new proposal:
Story is now basically Epic of Gilgamesh mixed with the three muskateers. Replace the savant guy with Enkidu.

Ships are like the Habbakuk ice ship. Simple emergency cooling uses beer as the coolant, and surrounds the grain. Mutated ergot from the grain makes this a highly valued, mind bending beverage. Lots of smuggling and sabotage ensue.

Enkidu becomes a beer swilling pirate. Gilgamesh is some kind of Admiral. Both are Byronic heroes. Lots of free love and swashbuckling ensue.

Rename to Beer Wars.

>>2341064
Science fiction stuff written seriously and by scientists can be cool. I really enjoy Vladimir Obruchev's stuff.

>>2341123
what

>>2341123
Beership Drinkers.

>>2341123
Go man go!

>>2341128
stfu I actually think that is a pretty cool idea.
>>2341123
it would need to be done in a campy way so it isn't mistaken for being serious literature.

>>2341132
Ooh, that's pretty good.

>>2341123
needs more emphasis on the free love, replace the intimates with a siren like race of space fairing women who use the beer they steal to lure pirates into bee-hive like colonies of forced mating.

>>2340693
>projecting
one of the most telling signs of autism.

Note to self: don't come to /lit/ for advice on the technical aspects of science fiction, except to troll.

>>2341196
better yet, don't come here for advice. It is a bad plan.

>>2341196
Just don't come here at all.

>>2341211

>lit/ being autistic about autists

mfw

>>2341146
Sirens would be interesting. Enkidu rejects and is rejected by nature in Gilgamesh, and sirens in the Odyssey represent an irresistible and terminal attraction to nature.

>>2341215
I would have thought /lit/ would jump for an autistic protagonist who can travel through wormholes.

>>2341217

The sirens would inevitably be slain by a pack of bombshell Valkyries in an act of supreme jurisprudence, liberating humanity from the tyranny of the Intimate Combine and paving the way for a glorious golden age of exploration & discovery on the wings of angels..

>>2341235
at the end instead of the guy escaping to some other dimension like a seagull, it all turns out to have been a fever induced dream during the Salem witch trials.

>>2341235
That reminds me of a poster of Cammy I had as a kid....

Cammy would make a pretty good character.

>>2341266
a character in what?

>>2341281
I cannot think of a story that would not be enhanced by the presence of Cammy.

Maybe the OP should include an autistic version of Cammy. She folds space with her thighs and then her and the author's self-insert repopulate the universe with beautiful autistic children who will never be bullied because they are all autistic.

>>2341286
yea sure, but i have no idea who cammy is, I am going to guess mortal kombat or street fighter..
>>2341290
sounds good.
except the kids not being bullied, OP here again, even I would say they need some bullying, autists are a pain in the ass.

>>2341290
Too communist, wouldn't be believable.

>>2341321
how about they all get stitched into a huge Frankenstein's monster type deal

>>2341331

>>2341331
let it be so.

stich the children to the thighs

hi

>Autistic savant
>author avatar detected

Never set anything to type, ever.