/lit/ - Literature

This thread could go either way. I hope somebody effortposts.

Theoretically, yeah. It's going to have to be exquisitely aesthetic and deal with seeing characterizations that tap into some fundamental part of human nature. It would be like a novel about Ghengis Khan, only some shots is on a quest for fame and glory in a simulacrum of power that is still regarded as power in the simulation. He's a child because such a thing is childish, just as conquest outside of true power is an illusory endeavor. He's a celebrity in a spectacle, there's a barbed undercurrent of hero worship and all the tween sex reflects the true interests of his fans and our own society. Execution would be key, all this needs to be ambiguous and the end will not be so clean as a fappily ever after. It's a damning post-nut clarity.

I'd probably frame the adolescent sex as a subverted and redirected, initially pure natural desire and follow the cues of erotica on nifty which have a subtext suggesting that we fetishize this purity and pervert it out of some desire to return to Eden, which only corrupts the pure. The MC would at some point be cursed with Knowledge and be damned for it, unable to change the tide of the society that props him up for their own amusement.

Man it would take a strong hand to make this work, but it could be done.

>>23293056
I have a feeling it would be absurdly easy to turn one of those “instant harem for a loser” anime’s into a character commentary or some kind of mirror for the viewer type thing seeing as the whole point of making that type of story is for evil means for evil people (power fantasy for losers)

Especially as commentary for the Japanese by the Japanese because these stories were originally made for them. I would honestly be surprised if an anime criticizing the trope hasnt already been made because of how old, demonic, and nonsensical it is

>>23293190
>trying to deconstruct a wish fullfilment fantasy for losers
why do you fags have to make fun into some academic boring lecture?

>>23293202
Anon is stating what the harem fantasy is, there's no need for deconstruction, everyone who isn't a loser already sees it as evil.

>>23293234
>evil
ok commie.

>>23293240
I don't use the word lightly because it's a terribly loaded term, but it fits. Both the trope and the people who beat off to it are exploring evil. No one has condemned it, yet.

>>23293261
abraham was polygamous as well as lot.

The bible doesn't mention God punished abraham and lot for having multiple wifes.

>>23293056
A white person can't write isekai, so idekai garbage can't enter the Western Canon.

>>23293270
That was before Moses's covenant. Also we're not talking about biblical sin. We're talking about evil inherent in power fantasies and the reader's relationship with them.

>>23293325
>power fantasies are evil
So no fun allowed in your marxist utopia, commie?

>>23293337
Since you're a retarded catposter, I'm going to assume you're OP. You asked, this is what big boy literature is about. Evil. The nature of it. How it underlies things like hedonism and fantasies of control. You want to degrade and diminish another, that's evil.

>>23293190
>anime deconstruction
Has neve been done before.

>>23293056
Try de Sade, OP.

>>23293372
big boy literature is just snob shit where the writer does his attempts at some philosophical issue.

Most writers aren't philosophers, so their attempts always end up being introductory phil 101 stuff.

Western canon is just a snorefest trip to self warranted professors bragging they have read some old books and can understand the deep issues of humans and understand inner reference jokes of senece.

It's just ego circlejerks of snobs.

>>23293394
Then why are you here? There's nothing here for you.
>>>/v/

>>23293403
I want to parody western canon shit by making a western canon literary work, but making it about the most trivial generic shit.

Basically shakespearean inspired prose, to describe a porn parody of pokemon.

>>23293415
>And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Good luck with that.

>>23293394
Try Pynchon.

>>23293056
pynchon could do it. well, he's too old now. but he couldve

>>23293270
God didn't have to punish Abraham for having multiple wives. Abraham did that to himself

>>23293190
It was made, the show is called School Days

(Me!)>>23293190
>>23293270
The trope isn’t evil because of the fact he has multiple girls it’s because again it’s supposed to be gay power fantasy. It’s a complete loser that doesn’t do anything with his life with no personality that gets girls to obsess over him for no reason. Made to have the retarded loser of a viewer insert himself as the protagonist and dream about the same thing happening to him instead of working for anything. It’s truly an evil trope

>>23293682
>>23293514
>Dude, Stop having fun
>What if japanese modern corporate wage slavery is a piece of shit, but you can't at least have fun with imaginary characters of cartoon girls
>You need to wageslave more in the cubicle, pay more taxes and get nothing more than a 1x1 cublicle in a tokyo cyber internet, that's what it means to be mature and shit

>>23293905
I can only envision this as a really nihilistic and grim story of surrender. Like a person who is keenly aware that their life is shit and all he has is illusions. Nothing to do but escape.
You could try to champion some sort of hedonistic lifestyle, but it's so passive that it really can only be understood as getting high and forgetting.
Fuck, in isekais you literally have to fucking die first on order to get the good stuff. Nothing improves, there is no struggle or fight. All in the world is lost. You just fucking die. That's grim.
Would be really interested in someone trying this.

>>23293934
Your advice is well suited to the top 1% of heroes.

the vast majority of males are the bottom tier shit that is culled because women wont breed with them.

Telling a bottom tier male that he simply needs to work harder, is to deny the reality that for some males there's simply no way to fix their situation.

The blackpill is a real situation for a lot of young males.

>>23293934
>I can only envision this as a really nihilistic and grim story of surrender.
Beautifully put, fucking do it OP.
>You could try to champion some sort of hedonistic lifestyle
I wouldn't even call it hedonism, its moreso a feeble attempt to replicate the hedonism of a royal harem via flights of fancy.

>>23293947
Trembling spinster hands typed this post

>>23293947
If you can get this message through without compromising on being the same as the coomer slop it is taking direct inspiration on AND still feel like a power fantasy, that'd be an achievement on its own, I think.
The blackpill is about as compelling as nihilism and anti-natalism, so it is sure to find a place in popular culture, if it is done correctly

>>23293952
I'm really curious to see how something like this would look like. Heroism so fake and empty, yet so painfully self aware.

>>23293976
Why should I take away the purpose of the work being a parody to mock literary snobs?

>>23293986
see >>23293420

>>23293986
I mean, you do you.
>Is a self aware power fantasy that knows it's nothing but wank for losers
>Champions blackpill thinking
>Sells itself as a parody of western cannon works by being on the same level of quality
Very ambitious shit. Somebody already said it before, but sounds like what Marquis de Sade was doing back in the day.
I know you won't do shit though, but it's fun to think about

>>23293682
>[genre] is "evil" and "demonic" because the deplorable with no personality got access to pussy which he didn't deserve
>"losers" (implied male) are "evil"
meds, femanon

>>23293976
>The blackpill is about as compelling as nihilism and anti-natalism, so it is sure to find a place in popular culture
Incorrect. Works that find their way into popular culture are life affirming and existentialist. It can gain a cult following but will not be a part of the mainstream.

>>23294013
Rick and Morty literally told it's audience nothing matters we're all gonna die, come watch TV.

>>23294004
This thread made me recontextualize something I was working on as it was a very YA story about coming of age things, set in the kind of modernist isekai world murakami epitomizes as far as literary authors are concerned. I have a vague sense that I need to think about, there's something very interesting with this that aligns with those questions of futility and fantasy. It helped someone out, at least.

>>23294029
Ignoring the other mainstream films and anime with the opposite message, including CODA and Attack on Titan.
>nothing matters we're all gonna die
I stopped watching that shit after 2019 but Rick was presented as a miserable cunt that you aren't supposed to agree with. The R&M fandom is also considered a joke by the public at large.

>>23294029
Rick and Morty is also a comedy show and nobody in it is intended to be a role model. Most people aren't agreeing with him but are amused at how overly cynical he is.

>>23294063
>>23294065
Point is, nihilism found a way into the mainstream: nothing less than a highly successful Netflix show that normies gobbled up

>>23293234
Why is accepting the hand you're dealt by surrendering to the conditions to extract pleasure is evil? What's evil about embracing reality on your own terms? Whats up with the weird moralization?

>>23294306
Put yourself in a position where you'd reasonably submit and ride your own dick or the dick of someone exactly like you and you start to see the problem. I just fuck other losers and make sure they aren't full blown fucking crazy or literally retarded.

>>23293150
nice post

>>23293190
That's kinda what Evangelion is.

>>23294306
Having your main hero surrender to his fate by embracing coomer fantasies is not evil. It's nothing.
I guess the "evil" part is that you want to convince other people that they also need to surrender and get in ze pleasure pods, but honestly they are going to do it anyway, blackpilled or not, so...

>>23294332
> ride your own dick or the dick of someone exactly like you and you start to see the problem
I don't self loathe so this goes over my head. If it is the case that corrupting a person means to persuade them off a path they're already on then all advertising is the same brand of evil. At the end of the day we all have the autonomy to say no whether or not we exercise that choice is up to us. If someone decides to live a life as a cocksleeve to some neet manchild goober that is based and a choice they made. I wish there were more people like that around.
>>23294371
>I guess the "evil" part is that you want to convince other people that they also need to surrender
So evil is when present a choice? The garden of Eden apple snake makes so much sense now. Big if true.

>>23294416
Non-serviam has never been looked so defanged.
Write your book*, this is a nice twist on regular defiance of authority (and if I can cum to it, them all the better).

*If you can ;)