/lit/ - Literature

>>23280842
The list of people who triggered Marx would be a very long one.

>>23280866
This. Butthurt and petty personal feuds are the foundation of Marxism.

>>23280842
Commies have herd mentality so they naturally despise individualism and freedom

Nobody thinks about Stirner.

>>23281689
*raises paw* I do

>>23281689
Marx literally teamed up with Engels to write 500 page long seethepost to refute Stirner.

>>23281995
You know some experts say that writing down your feelings when you're angry at someone can help you relax.

>>23282010
venting without action can quickly become a toxic mental habit

>>23281995
The only reason we even know of Stirner is because Marx thought he was a retard, and that it was worth explaining how retarded he was.
I'm no marxoid but that's not a very good reason to remember someone. We don't even have a photo of the man -- the only picture we have is a caricature someone drew in mockery of him.

>>23282060
>We don't even have a photo of the man -- the only picture we have is a caricature someone drew in mockery of him.
The illustrator is Engels

I don't like capitalists nor communists, what should I read? I'm inclined to Keynes, but I never read him.

>>23280842
Because egoism isn’t a real threat to the bourgeoisie while Marxism is. It’s intellectual masturbation that turns the will to freedom inward (toward “ownness”) rather than externalizing it through revolutionary action. The egoist is fundamentally powerless to change the world around her, so she channels her ressentiment into engaging in online debates with Marxists and calling everything a spook while conveniently ignoring fascist talking points to show how she’s “not like the other leftists.”

>>23280842
He disproved him.

>>23282167
>“not like the other leftists.”
Any Stirnerite who is like this is already a fraud. An egoist should be willing to support right, left, and any other direction so long as it supports their personal self-interest.

>>23280866
and yet it would be a millionth as long as a list of all those he triggered, many present itt

>>23282167
What is this imbecile even trying to say?

>>23281995
It wasn't just about Stirner, its about all the wacky Young Hegelians and their blinding, unscientific ideology. Its quite funny as well, Marx would be a clever anon.

>>23282428
>unscientific ideology
Ironic

>>23282344
ya and all those many millions he triggered right into the grave

>>23282165
the only other options are monarchy and anarchy

>>23281995
They wrote all that but forgot to solve the captcha.

>>23282165
Lasch

>>23282587
dudes ass is shaped like a picket fence

>>23282165
Distributist writers, I guess. Specially Hillaire Belloc (read 'The Serville State' from him even if you don't care about Distributism).

>>23282595
communism

>>23282598
>t. illiterate retard
How can it even be Communism if it does not propose to abolish neither private property, nor the family unit; as well as not holding an atheistic understanding of reality, but a transcendent one? It can't, because it isn't Communism.

>>23282613
communism doesnt abolish private property, it just abolished the right to it. any distributionist is a commie.

>>23282060
>that's not a very good reason to remember someone
Says more about Marx's character than it say about Stirner. If he was a nobody, why bother?

>>23280842
Morality doesn't exist in a materialist framework, marxism cannot justify why the proletariat should be liberated or why the bourgeoisie oppressing the proletariat is wrong besides appealing to the reader's sense of self-interest.

>>23282165
Start with the Greeks. Become a monarchist.

>>23280870
>>23281080
Sounds to me more like American anons who like the same system that fucks them so much. Americans are so obsessed with slavery for some reason it is beyond me .

>>23282014
It think it is better than deciding to take the scepter by force in order to perform a genocide.

>>23282165
Reformism, or in other words, read authors who advocate for change from within the system.

>>23282167
Yes.. individualism coupled with capitalism means people try to gather as much resources as possible for themselves, and in this scenario everyone loses except for the State that takes a portion of their belongings in some intermediary unit of exchange. So , basically what you said, but in other words.

>>23283024
retard

>>23283046
>deflecting
Cope harder.

>>23280842
because if you read the ego and it's own you realize Max Stirner did like half of Marx's job and he was mad that Stirner stole his thunder

>>23281689
>posts in thread about Stirner

>>23281689
I know a dude who makes max stirner his whole personality gimmick. He's also schizophrenic and from finland. Go figure

>>23283048
no cope, just facts

>>23283788
Crazy, got any other personal anecdotes?

>>23280842
Why did Nietzsche suppress his knowledge of having read him?

>>23282428
Right. And Marx' theory of pre agrarian matriarchal harems was definitely more scientific.

>>23282165
You should check out the hungry hungry caterpillar

>>23280842
Why was Marx so neurotic? He seems to have been raised by loving parents who did their best to make him happy.

>>23282578
Engels bought the pass.

>>23280842
Will retards ever even understand this meme? Don Draper was actually deeply bothered by him.

>>23282060
>>23282140
Stirner looks really cool here. How is that mockery?

>>23284772
perhaps his forehead wasn't actually THAT big.

>>23284643
Marx was exactly like the type of people identity with his ideology in current year. If he was alive today, he'd either be a tranny or be fucking one.

>>23282060
>The only reason we even know of Stirner is because Marx
Wrong, plenty of later philosophers have talked about and been influenced by him.

>>23284643
the jew schizo genes got to him. also academia poisoned his mind as it has poisoned the minds of many youth today.

>>23280842
International Socialism is whatever you want it to be. It's a shell game that only those at the top really 'get' in its unvarnished bareassed brazen self-interest and demagoguery. Cleaving to 'morality' of the benighted illiterate born slaves of history & the world to speed run some Saturnine eschaton of 'post-scarcity' plenty and moral apotheosis of society is a bald faced lie which Egoism actually consistently and systematically bears out. Everything Marx & Engels wrote is guilding the ochlocractic oligarchy lilly: to each according to his need ... is at the discretion of those whom are more equal than others-- the intelligentsia, the ideological vanguard, the 'intellectual workers', the Party cadres, the military's armed Party cadres ...

Why? Stiner says the quiet part out loud-- Marx wants to negate God & Substance and have his Speculative Gnostic Materialist Religion too. His 'hegelianism' inverted is window dressing, and he and Engels laugh about 'scientific jargon mumbojumbo to dupe the bourgeois' in the correspondence. It's not only a lie but a self-conscious deception propagated against rubes that don't and cannot know better beyond their blinkered animalistic self-interest.

>>23280842
Marx says a lot about Stirner in very little. The number one thing is stirner has replaced "God" with "The Self" and than used it to directly negate the whole of reality, and the moral constructs that accompy them. That Stirner is essentially a miracle worker, who has substituted the mysterious power of God with the mysterious power of the self. Rendering everything into "spooks" is just a denial and a rejection of reality, which Marx saw as deeply moral. Marx detested speculative philosophy, and stirner to him was an idealist, incapable of coming to terms with the actual nature of things, relying on forms of mental discrimination between things alone to come to understanding.

>>23280842
There's an interesting letter Engels sent to Marx in which he writes about him. (https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1844/letters/44_11_19.htm).).
Also, Stirner did not live to see The German Ideology published, so we can't know what his response would be, but he did care about responding to his main critics and did just that in Stirner's Critics.