/lit/ - Literature

>>23276650
All words are made up, and hundreds enter our lexicon every year, "unironically" will unironically be added to the dictionary soon.
Language is a living being.

The shakespeare of our times

>>23276655
>unironically will unironically be added
I see what you did there

>>23276650
>the word unironically doesnt exist
its proper to add a prefix to any word, its grammatically acceptable.
its just that if it doesnt sound good, people wont use it.

>>23276650
She is not wrong in her post.

>>23276650
based

>>23276650
she's right tho

>>23276662
>its grammatically acceptable

no it isn't you retard

>>23276658
hon

>>23276680
>Prefixes are letters which we add to the beginning of a word to make a new word with a different meaning. Prefixes can, for example, create a new word opposite in meaning to the word the prefix is attached to. They can also make a word negative or express relations of time, place or manner
it is hyper acceptable

>>23276692
damn you are really an unsmart

>>23276707
You deliberately fucked that up, you pathetic cunt.
If you had written "damn you really are unsmart", which is what you know you should have written, you would have proven the other anon's point for him.

/lit/ - arguing about Twitter users that just so happen to have written a book

>>23276715
it was gonna be "damn you are really a retard" but i cant change to "a unsmart" it has to be "an unsmart"

your IQ is too low anyway

>>23276650
Can we all agree that British people (and Ivy League educated white people from Northeastern states) using y'all is haram?

>>23276744
I have never heard a British person saying y'all. I think its 100% an American thing and JK is getting trolled on Twitter.

>>23276744
Return to tradition, you lot!

>>23276650
It is a real word. People use it. Everyone knows what it means (as much as normies ever know what things mean). What more do you need? Oh, right. You need some officiated group of bespeckled grammarians to rub their cunts together in a ritual over it first.

>>23276650
>retarded mouth-breather discovers words are made up

>>23276726
Smart isn't a noun, retard. You claim to know grammar, but you didn't know that basic fact.

>>23276650
HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHAHHAHA FUCKING BASED. I LOVE HER.

>>23276823
stfu you retarded hick. It will always be a filthy word.

>>23276650
I suppose you speak Shakespeare english all the time?

>>23276655
frrtyh vhjjts qfertg hjvfc 45 fawxc wetghju.

Huh? Couldnt understand what I said? Language is a living being, bigot.

>>23276974
"stfu" isn't a word. You shouldn't be using it in a proper sentence, unless of course you put quotes around it to demonstrate its illegitimacy.

>>23277055
So far only you have ascribed meaning to those words. If you want them to come into everyday usage you have to tell us what the ascribed meaning is, and others will need to collectively agree that what you ascribe as its meaning is its ascribed meaning. Good luck!

>>23276650
what does being coherent have to do with being the "most famous living writer"?

>>23276650
Please provide a way to objectively determine if a word is "real" or not. Pro tip: you can't.

>>23277068
look at >>23277055

>>23276650
It's sad that people get upset over it.

>>23277062
lots of people know the meaning of what I wrote. its not my fault you dont know it. you shouldve known.

How would say say "unironicaly" in proper English?

>>23277069
No one understands meaning of random sequences of letters, vast majority of english speakers understand what "unironically" means. Now, enlighten us how do you decide which words are "real".

>>23277078
look at >>23277074

>>23277075
You unironically should just stop caring about opinion of people who think that language is a product of dictionaries.

>>23277082
Cool, but you didn't answer my question tho.

>>23277081
Well if lots of people know the meaning of what you wrote then you would be able to explain its meaning and provide at least one example of someone other than you using it. Also I'm starting to suspect you don't have a way to decide which words are "real" and just decide arbitrarily.

>>23277084
Because your question is retarded and doesn't have an answer. Define what you mean by "proper English" first and what excludes "unironically" from it.

>>23277092
ok retard

>>23277098
Literally is not the antithesis of ironically. Its antithesis is sincerely. Whoever made this image is retarded. Now let's watch you seethe.

>>23277098
Why exactly something can't be "un-inteded meaning being the opposite of the literal meaning". Your picture is retarded and you should kill yourself.

>>23277108
damn you went full edgy the second you got btfo
typical low IQ behavior

>>23277126
Explain why something can't have meaning opposite of "intended meaning being the opposite of the literal meaning"

>>23277055
lmao

>>23277105
The pic clearly says that literally is a synonym for"unironically" and not ironically. You reading comprehension is really sad.

>>23277108
This.
The term unironically evolved from a culture of constant ironic posturing. Unironically, used properly, is a negation of a claim that would otherwise be presumed ironic. Literally could just mean "not exaggerated" where unironically doesn't mean that. Literally a billion. Unironically a billion. Not the same.

>>23277138
you can't control the how languages change. stupid image

>>23277138
off topic, but I love how every so-called descriptivist instantly turns to a prescribing fascist the moment you say that it's okay for white people or gamers to say nigger/whatever slurs due to the context

>>23277055
>>23277138
epic strawmen

>>23277168
FUCK A TYPO NOOOOO

>>23277170
I don't care about someone saying "nigger" in any context, checkmate prescreptivistcel.

>>23277139
I never claimed literally is a synonym for ironically. Read my post again and look up the words you don't understand. Then maybe rewrite my sentence in a way that you can understand it. Once you've done that, you should realize why your post makes you look retarded.

>>23277170
Did these "descriptivists" claim these gamer moments were grammatically incorrect or what?

>>23277134
To say 'unironically' is to declare with earnestness and sincerity, as if to peel away the layers of jest and reveal the naked truth. Yet, in doing so, they who use the word wrap themselves in the cloak of irony once more, for what is more ironic than declaring the absence of irony?

>>23277170
>Descriptivists: Language has no rules and you can't tell people how to speak, chud!
>Me: That's in itself a prescriptivist rule. Curious!

>>23277202
>Language has no rules and you can't tell people how to speak, chud!
That's not what descriptivism is, languages as all other natural phenomena have rules, which linguistics describe.

>>23277188
they would just deny the sociolinguistics of saying nigger, and emphasize how it's always racist in 100% of contexts

>>23277199
>sincerity is ironic
YIKES

>>23277168
you can actually. if you can manipulate public opinion, you can make whatever you want "reality"

>>23276650
unironically it's another trolling / not trolling thread on 4chan.

>>23277214
Because their religion is woke progressivism and nigger is a taboo word.

>>23276655
fpbp
dumb thread

>>23276655
so when will gooning be added to the dictionary?

>>23277211
Not true. They don't describe the rules. They describe language itself. If you tell people rules, descriptive faggots whine about muh opprezzed black folx and other similar nonsense.

>>23277219
who is pic rel
>>23277274
linguistics threads are fun anon

>>23277170
In what world does describing something make you unable to prescribe? Such a dumbfuck argument

Unironically is an important word in the internet era when it's harder to gauge something's intent. Unironically is a decent enough descriptor for if something is an ambiguous earnest undertaking or an offhand remark or joke.

>>23277295
They literally do describe rules like vowel shifts and stuff, what the fuck are you talking about

>>23277648
Are you serious? Those are not rules. Those are linguistic features. Rules are like "this is how you spell this word, this is how you use punctuation, that's not a correct use of grammar, etc"

>>23277055
are you unable to understand what "unironically" means?

>>23277661
Spelling words and punctuation aren't strictly speaking about linguistics. They are orthographic matters and not part of the core language. You will find descriptive grammars (made by linguists) of English if you bother to look. Vowel shifts do not describe a language but rather (a part of) the development of a language over time (namely how parts of its phonology and phonotax have developed, important for describing the rules of the language).

>>23277667
not really. its like every other word people use incorrectly. Most people dont "comprehend" words like you or I, its just pattern recognition

According to the left this woman is clinically insane and literally female Hitler

>>23277645
>>23277143
The word you want is genuine.
This is like encouraging the use of unbig over the word small.

>>23277759
this is the only time in history i have ever said this about a woman:
absolutely based and redpilled

>>23276650
I was surprised at this, too. She's just following the patterns of her degenerate hecklers. Stretching her wings a bit as it were. Greasing the groove you could posit.

>>23277759
Is… is she using logic?? KILL THE WITCH!!!11

>>23277781
Do you want to me to dump a thesaurus entry of "small" here or what?

>>23276823
She said she'll block any Brit that uses the word. "y'all" isn't a thing in any dialect of British English. The only reason a Brit would use y'all, unless they spent a significant amount of time in the parts of America that use it, is if they were trying to sound (African-)American. That's what makes it annoying.

>>23276650
She's just pretended to be retarded to make y'all mad.

>>23277075
'anironically' (being from Greek, with the privative a-, or an- before a vowel)

>>23276655
>FPBP
>checked
>/thread

>>23276655
/thread

>>23276658
Man nobody get the joke

>>23277781
>synonyms are le bad

>>23276650
I wonder if Rowling browses this place or if our cultural influence really is that good.

>>23277098
>demostrate

>>23279885
>our
it's just twitterspeak (by and large the same thing as nu-chanspeak)

Rowling is strangely in-tune with the times

>>23276650
>Isn't she one of the most famous living writers right now?
That's misleading though. Harry Potter was a popular film franchise, she wrote the source material and it sold in relation to the popularity of the films, outside of Harry Potter JK isn't a popular author.

JK Rowling must be one of the stupidest people who ever lived, sincerely, genuinely and unironically. My shitposts online and yours too make sense as the feeble protests of people who relatively insignificant and who would struggle to effect any meaningful, significant change in the world. This woman is one of the wealthiest people alive today and arguably one of the wealthiest people to ever exist. This is clearly a cause which means a lot to her, and the most, it seems, she can think to do is shitpost about it online. With the kind of money available to her, she could, theoretically, influence opinion in any way she likes, but in fact, she's just made herself a figure of ridicule.

>>23276650
>unironically isn't a word because umm...IT JUST ISN'T OKAY??
Language changes, retard. "Unironically", "coal", "chud" etc. are all real words.

>>23276650
You sirrah, are a lacklustre green-eyed bandit. You should be elbowed for this skim-milk opinion. ptoo ptoo

>>23276650
>block British who tweet y'all is she going to block all melanin enriched 'British' people?

>>23276650
>its a made up word
They're ALL made up, anon...
kek

>>23276650
What are people thinking when they make this argument? You know language changes and evolves right? They didn’t just appear in a dictionary. Did you just assume they just wouldn’t evolve after the 20th century? Was shakespeare a retard to when he made up a bunch of words? Are we all wrong for using his made up words today? Anyone that uses this argument just shows how pretentious and intellectually bankrupt they are. Kill yourself op.

>the english language evolves and if you can understand the meaning of a commonly used word then it is valid
then there is nothing wrong with using "y'all"
>the english language has rules and you can't just make up new words or it would be chaos
then one shouldn't use the non-word "unironically"

either way ya slice it our gal has egg on her face

>>23276650
>isn't a real word
1000 iq post

>>23276960
ACKTUAULWALLY smart can be a noun if you convert it from its verb form when you define it as a sting. For example, I'm still reeling from the smart on my face.

>>23280650
>then there is nothing wrong with using "y'all"
It's gross. Used by libtards, nogs and hicks.

>>23277943
Yeah well I bet people in the 1500s were getting real annoyed that you became more common than thou. It literally and unironically does not matter. Stop complaining about arbitrary bullshit.

>>23280751
Your opinion is gross and also doesn't matter

>>23276650
how many cocks has JK Rowling unironically sucked? How many cocks has she been unironically penetrated by? Just unironically curious of this woman looking like a semen demon

>>23280650
She's not claiming y'all is an "invalid" word, its use just tends to signal a certain kind of person (not a southerner in this case).

>>23280795
Yeah, a person with an American drawl that doesn't exist in the uk, a phoney.

>>23277759
>men are le bad
is what she's actually saying

She's unironically correct.
Texans and people from the deep South can say "y'all". Everyone else, stop it.

>>23276773
It's becoming a thing now. People "type American" on the internet. It's pretty insufferable.

>>23277075
Sincerely.
Saying "unironically" is funny though, so I'm unironically going to keep doing it.

It's funny because firstly, it isn't a word, and it posses of "those people", and secondly it presumes some mode of conversation where everything is ironic by default, and that's telling of the modern world in a slightly tragic way.

>>23276650
Based, "y'all" is either Southern or Reddit.

>>23280795
if that's the argument, then that likewise also applies to "unironically"
whichever way you try and spin it your hero is a hypocrite

>>23281074
>"""your hero"""

>>23281074
Sure it does, but it doesn't imply that the word is illegitimate in the sense that you're trying to argue it is.

>>23280995
No, get fucked.

Man this isnt relevant at all, but I was talking with someone who asked why the days of the week are named after Norse gods, so I said our language comes from Anglo-Saxons who worshipped Norse gods. Someone else corrected me by splitting hairs and saying they worshiped Anglo-Saxon gods not Norse ones. Brilliant. So just say weekdays are not named after Norse gods but Anglo-Saxon ones. Fuckin prick.

>>23280768
>her first book ever publsihed 97
>pitched to a big movie producer that same year by "happenstance"
>Shit starts showing up in best sellers list somewhere in 99
>Movie talks and pre-prodcutin happened as early a 98
More than one and all of them Jewish, that's for sure.

>>23276650
She definitely learned it from shitposting here. Hi Jk, you're a total MILF.

We should all strive to do things unironically, actually.

>>23276650
Forced meme. Kill yourself.

>>23277781
>unironically dying on the hill of "synonyms are useless"

>>23277284
Honestly, probably in a few years if it survives being an internet trendword.

>>23276655
fippity bippity and OP btfo

>>23276650
This is literally the first result

>>23276650
"Unironically" seems to me to be a very intuitive word when it comes to using 4chan (it must be intuitive to others too since it's used so much), as so much of what is said here is said ironically that this word becomes very useful to show that you actually mean something. If this word is really not part of the dictionary then I suppose people were just way less sarcastic and larpy before the internet

>>23281122
The Anglo-Saxon god Woden, who is literally just Odin.

>>23276650
All words are made up retard

>>23276655
/thread
It's a good word too. It communicates an idea that could only formerly be expressed via multiple words and its meaning is immediately obvious to any English speaker.

>>23277098
>a negative form of the adjective ironically
Ironically is usually used as an adverb. This alone suggests the person writing this should not be viewed as any kind of authority on grammar. Everything I include beneath is just extra.
>an intended meaning being the opposite of the literal meaning
>"Make America Great Again"
The people who use this term do so with sincerity. This person is being disingenuous and conflating what they perceive to be an objective truth with subjective beliefs.
>The negative prefix "un-" is used predominantly for...
This is one of the cases that is not the predominant use case. I do not understand why anyone arguing semantics would think that this helps their point.
>Something cannot be an "un-incongruous coincidence"
It absolutely can. A coincidence that is not incongruous or an incongruous event that is not a coincidence could both be described as "un-incongruous". It is correct to say that 'un-incongruous' is somewhat of a mouthful and not the most succinct way to say something, but it is silly to suggest that something cannot be the negative or antonym of 'incongruous coincidence'

>>23276650
It's in the OED and has been in usage since at least the 1920s. Adding the "un" to "ironically" specifically negates the word "ironically" for a emphatic rhetorical affect that "sincerely" does not convey. Stop being a moron.

>>23277635
Stop commenting on things you know nothing about

>>23276650
based

>>23280650
you are a drooling chimpanzee.

>>23280751
The only people who should be allowed to us y'all are people who grew up in an environment where that is normal. Fags deciding to steal the word because it's inclusive has tainted it.

>>23278287
Retarded barbarian. Go get raped by Pakis or whatever brown shit it is your country is importing

>>23282722
huh?

why doesnt Rowling use this energy dedicated to fighting trannies on twitter for something actually productive like writing a mystery novel or her own version of game of thrones

>>23282837
Or actually physically doing something about the T menace instead of bitching about it?

>>23282853
she could run for Labour but they hate her, she should run for the Tories but she hates them

>>23282859
Libdems

>>23276655
keyed, and based
>>23276650
locked and retarded

>>23277074
I completely understood the meaning. There are about fourty millions people who do, we have a dictionary, a country, and a national flag. Our language exists and it's a living being! It's very bigoted to act as if it didn't.

>>23276655
>modern discourse is so despondent, cynical and steeped in irony that a word to insist on non-ironic intent will probably soon enter common usage
Unironically makes me sick.

>>23277759
I feel the same way about the word 'xenophobic', which is also not about fear but healthy skepticism and rejection of distasteful cultures and the people who belong to them.

>>23282860
whats their position on trannies

>>23280650
No one outside of North America and above the Mason Dixon line should ever use "y'all" under any circumstances.

English has a wonderful historical ability to create new words pulling from several languages as long as it flows correctly and follows grammar rules of construction. German has the same ability. Unfortunately, most people have forgotten that they are grammatically able and allowed, but also how to form new words. Look at German for example. You can compound any new word.

>>23276655
Honestly surprised it hasn't been added already.

>>23276650
A real world? Just like how you're "real woman" right?

>>23277781
unbig sounds like a based word desu

>>23280407
and yet, she still makes you seethe troon

>>23276662
It’s permissable if the new word is intuitive and makes sense in some way. Otherwise people wouldn’t use it because of its lack of application.

>>23279885
someone should tell Miss Rowling that telling a troon to dilate makes them seethe as hard as possible. Doubly so if it were to come from her.

>>23276650
mommy is so fucking based, i hate fags that say 'y'all'

>>23283316
I love that little squirrel, what a gemmy little fellow he is.

>>23276650
>britbong retard types like a britbong retard
>other retards have a spastic meltdown over it

>>23280339
i have never used twitter so i really have no idea how true this is but i had never heard someone use unironically outside of 4chan and as far as i can remember we popularized that term as far back as 2012ish.

>>23277781
I think the word your looking for is embiggen.

>>23283990
Twitter is like if everyone on 4chan was a tripfag, that's the best I can do to describe it. It's exactly the sort of person who uses a trip here.

>>23276650
>Is it sad
You're sad
You're gay
You're a faggot
You're a nigger
You suck dick
You drink cum
You rim asshole
You choke on cock
You're a homo
You're a nigger
You're a piece of shit
You eat poopy
You drink peepee
You're a nigger
You're a gay nigger
You suck dick
You suck balls

>>23280377
She's written several best selling crime novels.

>>23280407
What can she do?
The Scottish government is dead-set on pushing and supporting transgenderism.
Posting online and promising to violate any anti-TERF laws passed are the best she has.

>>23283332
>Defending a feminist on xitter
Y'all realize the only reason she hates trannies is because she thinks they're secret agents of muh patriarchy, right? "Useful idiot" all you want, but don't pretend she's not a dumbass.

>>23280407
Yeah, it is funny to me when people with actual power start bitching like this.
Bro, you already have "fuck you" money. You can literally change the world, if you want to. Why are you complaining about "the libs" on Twitter? Are you fucking stupid?
Start your own media empire, or lobby the government, and start pushing more of what you want to see in the world. That would be doing something.

>>23284767
Buy Scotland.

>>23284763
Don't know how popular Cormoran Strike is, but I think is safe to say is nowhere near as best selling as Harry Potter. Also, I find it very strange how it was an AI (with over 90% accuracy rate) the one that found out "Robert" wrote Cormoran and HP, and that according to the AI the writing was done by an European Male.
>>23284767
>>23284808
>>23284807
She's not that rich, I read her company is in debt actually.
>>23284790
>she hates trannies is because she thinks they're secret agents of muh patriarchy
Sounds retarded but thats very much what I got after reading some tweets of her.

>>23281936
Woden and Odin aren't identical.
They're as different as Mars and Ares.

>>23285375
She probably mostly read male writers as a kid.
Harry Potter takes more from adventure novels than it does from British women's literature.

>>23276658
when this photo is zoomed in it makes her look like a Gerry Anderson puppet

>>23276707
As the other anon said "its just that if it doesnt sound good, people wont use it."
"Unsmart" doesn't sound good, "unironically" does

>>23276650
>Seethe and cope
>Unironically
You can't convince me she isn't aware of 4chan. I'm not saying she's an oldfag, but she definitely has browsed

This is a United States congresswomen

>>23279870
Pls explan the joke

>>23280377
Harry Potter was a world bestselling book.
The only reason, children's books have a best sellers list was to artificially remove her from the main list of all best selling books.

>>23280411
Yes, coal is a real word, and its been a real word for centuries.
The sharty did not invent the word coal.

>>23276650
I feel the same way about Americans who say bloody as in "bloody hell" or "thats really bloody cheap." Its a disgusting word when spoken this side of the Atlantic.

>>23277098
>something cannot be un-incongrous anymore than it can be unyellow or uninside.
The first command every student is taught to type into a Cisco command line is "no shutdown". That's how you turn ON your router or switch.

>>23277098
I promise to start saying inironically, from now on.

Today I am drunk and shitposting in Edinburgh. I am sleep deprived, neurotic and feel discontent. I have slept a total of only 9 and a half hours over the previous 7 days and 45 minutes of that was listening to an alarm resetting every 1m30s.
It is almost 7:15 in Edinburgh and Jo Ro is waking from her slumber, she will pour herself a glass of wine and she will shitpost early. She did not sleep well, she went to bed in a modified state, her thoughts were not her own and as she was about to nod off she heard that crucial ding, a twitter reply, she glanced, she hovered the bio and her altered consciousness was no longer going to sleep well.
We are but two ships passing in the night. If she was nocturnal we could have great debates and fuck, I would vomit a lot, she would vomit a lot and none of it would be sexual, I would call her Robbie as I cum in her loose poos. Disgusted, sweaty, hungover and gagging for a drink more than a dirty fuck we would retreat to her kitchen table, she would be wrapped in a satin robe and we would consider for a moment if we should savour the wine, feel one good thing for once before she looks up and says "You know I really fucking hate when you misgender me". and she slams the glass up in the air with such fervor that it nearly spills all over her drooping chest; her chest is reserved only for pearls.
I take a sip of the wine, I'm tired, disgusted at myself and I fucking hate wine. What am I doing in the north of Edinburgh if I wanted a disgusting shag I should go to muirhouse, why here of all places.
I glance back at her, she glances at me and there is a brief fight of will.

We sigh reservedly and glance down at the table, we know we're fucking scum, we're done and we will never create anything beautiful again and that's why we're so perfect for each other.
Jo takes a fag from her purse, she inhales sighs and asks "what are you doing today then, any great plans you doughfaced cunt".
I take a moment to collect myself, I hold it back. I look at her, I look down at her chest again, it's almost exposed and I can feel the blood rushing.

Nah, thought I'd cut your hedge so the council don't have to close the road. We go our separate ways, she shitposts at gender all day and I barely can mutter up a shitpost. I spend 8 long hours trimming her hedge and we return, sullen and drained. I look at her, I take a long moment and I drag my hand up to her face.
I almost want to kiss her is this love, shame or am I merely trying to cope with my decisions.

We both hate ourselves but we know there's no boundaries. The rob thing doesn't really matter.
I walk to the sink talking louder and ask her how her day was, how many subtweets did she get. She answers and I do not listen, I'm out of it.
I return and losing all sense of self I say "gonna trim your hedges I am" and I smile like a buffoon, for a moment I see it, that there's a person inside. Shame has no place here today.

Fuck the lighthouse.

>>23286027
the joke is, she didnt write any of those books

>>23286275
Who is the suspected ghostwriter?

>>23286027
Shakespeare wrote an insane amount of terms that no one else was using at the time. In one play, 10% of the words were new terms.
Imagine if Sam Hyde wrote a book bombarded with meme terms and incel lingo. That's how shocked people got at the time.