/lit/ - Literature

>>23264693
qrd on Icelandic lit? Country looks comfy but do they have chuds like Knut Hamsun writing based books?

>>23264874
It's mostly just murder mysteries, crime and modern fantasy

>>23264874
The Icelandic sagas are peak kino. Chuds are not welcome here.

>>23264874
Halldor Laxness was a communist sympathizer. He's their Nobel Prize winner. Independent People is a very good anti-capitalist novel.

>>23264958
So in other words what you´re saying is that he was a raging homosexual who contributed absolutetly nothing to human society. Did he know that he was sympathizing with a failed ideology filled with pseuds and other retards?

>>23264970
He contributed literary kino to world culture. Leave the anti-commie act for the boomers.

>>23264693
Iceland only has their pagan poetry, which has survived to this day among their poets. It's kind of cheating since none of their poets from the past few hundred years is an equal to the best writers or poets of the rest of Scandinavia. They're really just hanging onto their golden age.

>>23264979
>Iceland only has their pagan poetry
You're forgetting the sagas.
>It's kind of cheating since none of their poets from the past few hundred years is an equal to the best writers or poets of the rest of Scandinavia.
Halldór Laxness is better than most Swedish writers, for example.

>>23264970
Knut Hamsun strongly associated himself with the Nazis. National Socialism doens't seem like a very successful ideology to me. And Laxness distanced himself from the Soviet Union after the Hungarian Revolution. Shame that being anti-usury makes you a raging homosexual.

>>23264979
>>23264984
Gunnar Gunnarson seems like he would be worth reading. Back in the day he was considered to be on-par with Laxness. It's hard to find his works in translation these days. The only Icelander to have met Hitler.

>>23264989
>If you dont support my shit ideology you are pro usury.
Get a load of this faggot kike.

>>23265013
You called him a raging homosexual for writing anti-capitalist books. Hitler was an anti-capitalist you retarded faggot. Kill yourself.

>>23264984
>You're forgetting the sagas.
I meant anything related to or coming out of their myths.

>>23265015
Well, you should've written that. Sagas aren't poetry.

>>23265016
They have sections of poetry, they were written by poets...

>>23265019
Having parts of poetry doesn't make them poetry. They're prose fiction. Stop being insecure and combative just because I pointed out your mistake.

>>23264693
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Denmark
4. Finland
5. Iceland

t. don't really have a clue but shit nigger Iceland is clearly not relevant beyond medieval stuff

>>23265078
That medieval stuff BTFOs Sweden's entire output, thoughbeit.

>>23265027
No, you're a moron. No one in modern Iceland writes sagas, their poetry is the only thing that survives and as far as I know the only type of poetry they write in. Poetry is easily conceivable as a catch all term, you're a weirdly aggressive and most likely autistic person.

>>23265097
Sagas aren't poetry, have you even read them, retard? You were WRONG and I was RIGHT. Take the L and move on.

why is Swedish lit so shit? Imagine being mogged in your own region lmao

>>23265103
I said sagas can contain poetry, have YOU read them?

>>23265113
Nice damage control but you originally referred to them as "pagan poetry". That doesn't define them accurately.

>>23265114
No, no, no, anon, you just said sagas aren't poetry, that's pretty clear damage control for what you just said a moment ago: sagas aren't poetry. At any rate, I was referring to the entire poetic world of Iceland. And since their poetry is the only surviving tradition, it's easily assumable that poetry meant their entire literature.

>>23264693
Norway
Denmark
Sweden
Iceland

This is the correct order. Iceland's output is impressive considering their size but they simply lack the volume to compete with the others. And I left out Finland because they're not part of Scandinavia.

>>23265121
> you just said sagas aren't poetry
Correct, they aren’t, even if they contain bits of poetry. Same goes for all sorts of prose fiction that contains some poetry but it’s otherwise mostly prose.
> And since their poetry is the only surviving tradition, it's easily assumable that poetry meant their entire literature.
Now that’s some nice damage control lmao

>>23265125
The sagas alone are better than Sweden’s entire output.

I'm learning Old Norse atm and if I ever get anywhere with the language I hope to learn the other Scandinavian languages as well
For Swedish I want to read Moomins and I will also watch the TV show with the Finno-Swedish dub
For Norwegian I want to read Knut Hamsun and Ibsen, also Ringdrotten, the Nynorsk translation of Lord of the Rings
>>23265121
Sagas are first and foremost prose stories which sometimes contain poetry and sometimes they don't
Also I'm not sure what you mean by surviving tradition

>>23265138
Also I forgot
I would want to read the Red Orm which Swedish anons have told me is great
But then it depends on how easily it'd be to pick up modern Scandinavian languages
Also apparently the nynorsk edition of Lord of the Rings is full of dialects and so I'd probably get filtered hard if I didn't dedicate myself to Norwegian which I don't want to do
Has anyone here read Ringdrotten?

>>23265170
Norwegian is worth learning instead of Swedish. Richer literature

>>23265106
You're underread

>>23264693
Which made Moomin? That one is the best.

>>23265365
Literally any other Scandi country mogs Sweden. Admit it, Sven.

>>23265384
Finland

>>23264874
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_Gunnarsson
They literally had their own Hamsun.

>>23265398
> who wrote mainly in Danish
Dropped

>>23264958
>>23264970
Another lesser known author actually wrote another novel in response to Laxness called People of the Valley. It's pretty simple to say that independant people is anti-capitalist since it is more akin to anti-rural life, which Laxness absolutely hated and there's no wonder he decided to move to the city like a bourgie the moment he could. He also saw the people living in rural iceland as basically backwards hicks. The difference is that Hulda, the author of Valley, lived in the countryside for her entire life and loved it.
My fqvorite Laxness stpry is when his baby peed himself on him and his father-in-law laughed, saying, "good one, namesake!"

>>23264989
He didn't just disassociate from the soviet union. He became a full-blown catholic, lol.

>>23265012
It's more that a lot of people thought Gunnar should have gotten a posthumous nobel prize, not that that prize matters in any way. Advent is ok, but once you've read one icelandic realist story you've read them all.

>>23264949
Icelandic sagas are just all chuds. You should read svarfdælasaga and see what Karl Karlsson does to the woman who caused the death of his father. Killing her is not an option since killing women was considered dishonorable, so he uses other means to make her life a living hell.

>>23265398
They actually have two, kinda. Guðmundur Kamban is one but he was a playwright and his connections to nazism are less certain since all he did was receive subsidies from the occupation forces in denmark to write some essay. For this, the danish resistance decided to shot him at a public restaurant in front of his wife and children when he denied being a collaborator.

>>23264989
>National Socialism doens't seem like a very successful ideology to me
they took a country from financial ruin to doing better than it ever had, in under 5 years, then gave them 12 years total of prosperity untill mistakes were made that had very little to do with national socialism and more to do with lead and russians.

>>23265125
>Iceland
>Part of Scandinavia

>>23265511
kekthis

Swedish literature towers above the rest. Just ask the Nobel prize committee.

>>23265106
Pär Lagerkvist and August Strindberg are certified kino tho

>>23265862
The Nobel prize committee was very honorable back then. Harry Martinson even committed hara-kiri with a pair of scissors when his Nobel prize win was questioned due to him being on the committee.

Alastalon salissa mogs any scandi shit book easily.

>>23265995
>alastalon salissa
Dangerously based. Honorable mention for Sinuhe the Egyptian for the best historical novel of all time.

>>23265511
Linguistically it is so I include it.

Guest The One-Eyed by Gunnarsson is a good story.

>>23267183
Scandic mountain range is not a language group, it's a mountain range

>>23268946
Then Denmark isn't Scandinavian either.

>>23268956
And then Finland would be. Scandinavia is often just used interchangeably to mean nordic countries. Scandinavia is just Sweden, Norway and Denmark but this too is a bit convoluted as Finland was part of Sweden when concept of Scandinavia was established.

>>23268994
Nordic sounds like some pseudonazi BS. Scandinavian is a tricky term because the Scandinavian mountain range includes Finland but not Denmark. I guess I'll just call them the North Germanic languages.

>>23269010
You do realize that Nordic countries is an actual thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries
Also Finnish is not germanic language.

>>23264693
Norway
Sweden
Denmark
Iceland
Finland

>>23265995
This.

>>23269692
>Sweden second
lol

>>23269110
>You do realize that Nordic countries is an actual thing?
Doesn't make it right. It comes from outdated French race theories from the 19th century and doesn't include Denmark and Finland.
>Also Finnish is not germanic language.
I'm aware.

>>23269862
it’s not because they’re good, the others just suck even more

>>23269904
Iceland mogs Sweden.

>>23269908
Iceland has like one book post-Snorri

>>23269920
Iceland has the sagas. That alone BTFOs the Swedish output. By far the weakest of any of those countries. Mogged by Norway and Denmark too.

>>23269953
You spent the whole day shrieking this in the exact same wording over and over. Go outside man.

>>23269953
>denmark
o i am laffin

>>23269960
I will die on this hill. The sagas are a literary treasure on the same level as say, the Arthurian cycles. They're one of the best bodies of literature literature and Sweden has nothing similar. Have a nice day.
>>23270034
Glad you agree Norway is non-controversially superior.

>>23270136
Where to start with the sagas? Njål?

>>23264693
Where does Canada fall?

>>23264693

Thoughts on Jón Kalman Stefánsson's works?

Iceland seems like it'd be the perfect country for a literary person to live. I hear they give books as presents at Christmas and 1 in every ten person or so has written a novel of some kind. Icelandic girls also seem like they are pretty alpha which I kind of like

>>23270149
I recommend you read Hrafnkels saga, Bandamanna saga, Gunnlaugs saga or Króka-Refs saga
They are all extremely streamlined compared to the majority of Sagas in that they're all focused on the plot
Gislas saga is also great but it is slightly less streamlined
>>23269920
That's not true, there are plenty of post-Snorri sagas

>>23268946
Guess where Icelanders came from.

>>23272825
I don't want to be rude but Söderberg feels second-rate (or even third-rate) at best. He is vastly inferior to other fin de siecle writers or Dostoevsky and you can't seriously pretend that he comes close to Ibsen and Hamsun from Norway or the Islandic sagas.

Shill Stagnelius instead!

>>23270760
>Thoughts on Jón Kalman Stefánsson's works?
it's ok

1. Norway
2. Iceland
3. Sweden
4. Finland
5. Denmark

I have no idea what was written in Denmark. Not a single author or work comes to mind.

Any good immersive books about sailor or farmers?

>>23273181
Growth of the Soil

>>23273193
I am already planning to read him

>>23273181
Kon-Tiki

>>23273181
"Den siste viking"

>>23272860
>dramatists and fucking Dostoevsky
Can you name at least one prose author who writes in the same delicate mode as Söderberg? (Stagnelius is decent)

>>23269010
>pseudonazi BS
>Uhh you can't just write a variation of the word "northern" because that gives me chud vibes, creep
The reason you people are so funny is because you are too stupid to understand how ridiculous you look.

>>23274684
I am not a Swede, but my friend considers Strindberg's prose to be superior if I recally correctly, although I might have to ask him to make sure. Personally I was just not too impressed with Doktor Glas and consider it well-written but not "first-rate".

>>23274690
It's a racial classification.

>>23264693
Where does Canada fall?

>>23275122
>It's a racial classification.
Who the fuck cares nigger. Where do you think you are? At your subr*ddit echochamber?

>>23273276
I have fond memories of reading this at a summer cabin.

>>23276209
It's gross to classify people like animals.

>>23276253
It think its even more groos that men like to classify as women or anyother kind of mental illness. I think you should go back nigger.

I wish I could visit Scandinavia but the plane tickets are expensive
I'm going to end up learning three Scandinavian languages and never setting foot in the region

>>23264693
>Scandi literature
Lol, lmao even. I think its a grammatical error to put those two words in a same sentence

>>23276384
why? are you the Iranian schizo who hates the Scandinavians?

>>23276373
Where do you live?