/lit/ - Literature

>>23250779
Looking at our society, Tolstoy seems to have a point.

>>23250779
>>23250782

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C87cQvdjuFc&pp=ygUWc2llZW1ucyBmYWN0b3J5IHNwZWVjaA%3D%3D

>>23250794
i hate /pol/ so much

>>23250782
Society?

>>23250779
>Tolstoy didn’t get it.
Friedrich’s madness did not start to set in until he was writing The Antichrist, but it stopped him from writing the second part and only manifested in a few letters.
Tolstoy suffered from the terminal case of socio-religious traditional schizophrenia. Rejecting the new ideas with this false diagnosis and excusing the evil madmen of history. For which Hitler is only one of them.
And for the millionth time. The nazis were not Nietzschean in the least.

>>23252664
The Nazis were very Nietzschean

>>23252715
There’s never been a bigger lie.
You/they cannot adopt the man. Sniveling bootlicking conformity to idols was not what Nietzsche was prescribing

Filtered. Zarathustra makes perfect sense

>>23250779
I præscribe beginning with Phaedrus

>>23250779
Tolstoy was a new age hippie shizo and faggot (unironically).

>>23254349
Yeah he was filtered by almost all the great art if you read "What Is Art?" Its hilarious because he is the greatest novelist ever. Goes to show that art appreciation and art creation are very different things

>>23252174
It's hard to believe, with so much evidence to the contrary, that anyone doesn't at least QUESTION the Hitler narrative. You don't have to be a /pol/tard to know that shit was wildly exaggerated.

>>23255988
Nah Tolstoy was based af. Instead of praising artists and philosophers he just did his own thing, and felt free to shit on them when he saw necessary. Of course /lit/ wouldn't get it, bunch of kids who want to be historically relevant.

>>23250779
The first pages make sense. Afterwards it's pure Jewish shit

>>23256110
I get what you mean but he totally dismisses Michelangelo, Raphael, Shakespeare, Beethoven, Wagner. The most eminent geniuses

>>23256066
>with so much evidence to the contrary
There isn’t any. The historical record overwhelmingly confirms the common “narrative”: The Nazi leadership were by and large racialists who pursued a policy of aggressive expansionism and extermination against “lesser races”, e.g., Jews, Romi, Slavic nationals, etc.

>>23252174
>Hitler was evil
>SS was evil
>Nazi Germany was evil
>jews were innocent victims
>jews never did harm, the torah forbids it
>jews were just scapegoated

It is harder and harder to uphold the fabrication that is the Post-War narrative, there are cracks all over.

>>23256260
only because he was moralfagging and thought that fairy tales were more important artistic creations than major artistic patrons like wagner or michelangelo

>>23257016
>leadership were by and large racialists who pursued a policy of aggressive expansionism and extermination against “lesser races”

What a wild thing to say, Mohel.

>>23257035
Why do you think Jews are capable of (or even want to) enacting a unified agenda? Go to any Gaza protest. On one side, you'll see a bunch of pro-Zionist Jews. On the other side, you'll see a bunch of anti-Zionist Jews. If they can't even agree on this, what makes you think they can agree about anything else?

>>23257050
I can't help but get the feeling that you aren't actually trying to argue in good faith.

>and his sister’s note about how he wrote it,
qrd

>>23252807
He did however prescribe the elimination of weakness, of seeking a higher, better, superior man, which is exactly what the Nazis tried to do. It's the logical conclusion to Nietzsche's "philosophy".

>>23257053
>Why do you think Jews are capable of (or even want to) enacting a unified agenda?
Because they have maintained one during the diaspora. Why do you think they do not?

Go to any Gaza protest. On one side, you'll see a bunch of pro-Zionist Jews. On the other side, you'll see a bunch of anti-Zionist Jews.
You will not see any anti-zionist jews. Every single protest i have been to has been jews vs the gentiles.

>If they can't even agree on this, what makes you think they can agree about anything else
Pilpul. There are very few anti-zionist jews, there are none in positions of authority.

>>23257088
>Pilpul. There are very few anti-zionist jews, there are none in positions of authority.
>what is Jewish Voice for Peace
>what is the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network
>what is the American Council for Judaism
>who is Noam Chomsky
>who is Norm Finkelstein
>who is Glenn Greenwald
>who is Jill Stein
>who is Judith Butler
>who is Wallace Shawn
>who is Murrary Rothbard
>who is Paul Gottfried

>What will society be like if such a madman, and an evil madman, is acknowledged as a teacher?
Lol. Lmao even.

>>23257761
I admire Tolstoy's concern with poverty and oppression, but his romanticist idolization of Russian peasants was just monumentally stupid.

>>23250779
Do you know what's mad? To have 14 kids and then write a book about how sex is bad and how listening to music will make you kill your wife

>>23256066
Hitler himself wrote about his plans. Like holy shit, everyone who "questions the narrative" doesnt even read what hitler wrote. He hated jews from the start, outlined his autocratic ideas while he was imprisoned for the beer hall putsch and then was able to act on them. Evil? up to you, but the guy wanted total power and he got it

>>23257784
How many children did nietzsche have?

>>23257790
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/41811126/#41811126
Dictatorships or dictators or tyrannies don´t exist in the literal way,if they are,resistance and counter opposites immediately starts,don´t be naive.

>>23257827
i did not post this in 2015 though just posted an anon who posted,and he is right really.
This anon on jpg 2014 i did not post either just agreed with.really

>>23257790
>evil,up to you
jpg anon related

>>23257827
unsure what you are trying to prove here. Germany was ripe for an uprising, everyone hated the weimar republic, and Hitler was able to use that to bring himself to power. True, the Nazis were more than just Hitler, but they never would have succeeded without him, and Hitler hated jews and used this to help bring himself into power. I hate jews as much as the next guy but arguing that hitler was >le good
is pure foolishness and shows a severe lack of knowledge of history

>>23250779
Plenty of people read and can make sense of what he is saying. So how can he be "mad"? He's known as one of the easiest to understand philosophers.

>>23257770
No, no, it was just a bad translation. The next one will surely work this time.

>>23252664
>suffered from the terminal case of socio-religious traditional schizophrenia.

>>23257841
I did not prove anything, i just quoted a anon on 2015 who talked about this.
There are historians on this point watch the video it´s short.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXt8rU97NMQ&pp=ygUid2hlbiBoaXRsZXIgaW52YWRlZCBoYWxmIG9mIGV1cm9wZQ%3D%3D

>>23252715
Too much ressentiment

>>23257841
Without Germany Adolf Hitler could've never existed.
Hitler was not a feral animal created alone in the woods.
Not too hard use your head.
"He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god.
Book I, 1253a.27
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Politics_(Aristotle)
>The nazis were more than just hitler,but they would have suceeded without him.
Hitler would never gain anything without Nazis,German People,Paul Von Hindenburg.
Millions and millions of people,no man can do anything alone.
>le good
Read jpg anon not me posted something similar here.

>>23257038
>only because he was moralfagging
Not an argument. Try again incel.

>>23250779
>He's right you know
Yes, and?
Many timeless works of literature and philosophy were produced by eccentrics and madmen. Tolstoy himself was no exception to that, though his madness took a milder form than Nietzsche's neurosis.
In any case the fact that these works get popular already proves they are sound enough for the mass psyche rather than being pure schizobabble.
>>23257827
On the topic of Tolstoy, our /pol/fag derailer would do well to read the "War and Peace" which addresses this particular question of political responsibility and evil.
It is true that soldiers who carry out the orders are physically responsible for the attrocities, while the leadership which gives them is not.
However, a government cannot function without such a chain of command. The political leadership is entrusted with the power to lead, which makes it ultimately responsible for whatever policies it pursues even if it does not take a direct part in their execution.
By consciously giving out orders, Hitler accepted the greatest responsibility for them being carried out, which makes him no less evil than the people who actually massacred civilians in his name.
>Dictatorships or dictators or tyrannies don't exist in a literal way.
Pure sophistry. It is known that no man rules alone. "(Personalist) dictatorship" is just a shorthand for a society in which power is heavily concentrated in the hands of the state leader.

>>23257074
He taught to overcome weakness, which funnily enough the Jewry did, and now they rule the world. /pol/ will cope and seethe

>>23252715
Nobody is "Nietzschean" because nobody can agree on what he meant about anything. As soon as the topic is brought up you can guarantee someone will say that [x] doesn't understand Nietzsche

>>23255450
What evidence is there he was gay?

>>23252664
>>23252807
retard

>>23257016
>nazi leadership were racialists...
correct
>...who pursued a policy of aggressive expansionism...
colder
>...and extermination against “lesser races”
ice cold
Where the fuck do you get this information? Can you post a single ORIGINAL source for this - in German - not from some Allied historian's polemic against them?

>>23257790
>like holy shit
Settle down, bro. Why do you think anyone questions the narrative in the first place? Because they woke up one day thinking, 'Hm, I'm gonna be a cunt, make everyone think I'm evil, and deny the narrative for no reason at all?' No. I personally only began to change my mind after digging into original sources, reading Mein Kampf, Wetterleuchten, transcripts of speeches, &c in the original German, not filtered by approved historians of the post-war powers. It's easy to think everyone who "questions the narrative" is some backwoods, swastika-waving skinhead, the kind you'd see on CNN as a posterboy of ignorance - it's hard to admit that most people who question it are actually regular guys who did their homework.

>>23257790
I wonder if YOU actually read what you're talking about. I know the exact spot in Mein Kampf where Hitler first mentions forming an opinion about Jews, because I wrote a twenty-page essay about it in undergrad. I'll post it for you. It's in German; use Google Translate if you don't understand.
>In der Zeit dieses bitteren Ringens zwischen seelischer Erziehung und kalter Vernunft hatte mir der Anschauungsunterricht der Wiener Straße unschätzbare Dienste geleistet. Es kam die Zeit, da ich nicht mehr wie in den ersten Tagen blind durch die mächtige Stadt wandelte, sondern mit offenem Auge außer den Bauten auch die Menschen besah.

Als ich einmal so durch die innere Stadt strich, stieß ich plötzlich auf eine Erscheinung in langem Kaftan mit schwarzen Locken.

'Ist dies auch ein Jude?' war mein erster Gedanke.

So sahen sie freilich in Linz nicht aus. Ich beobachtete den Mann verstohlen und vorsichtig, allein je länger ich in dieses fremde Gesicht starrte und forschend Zug um Zug prüfte, um so mehr wandelte sich in meinem Gehirn die erste Frage zu einer anderen Frage:

'Ist dies auch ein Deutscher?'

Wie immer in solchen Fällen begann ich nun zu versuchen, mir die Zweifel durch Bücher zu beheben. Ich kaufte mir damals um wenige Heller die ersten antisemitischen Broschüren meines Lebens. Sie gingen leider nur alle von
dem Standpunkt aus, daß im Prinzip der Leser wohl schon die Judenfrage bis zu einem gewissen Grade mindestens kenne oder gar begreife. Endlich war die Tonart meistens so, daß mir wieder Zweifel kamen infolge der zum Teil so flachen und außerordentlich unwissenschaftlichen Beweis-
führung für die Behauptung.

Ich wurde dann wieder rückfällig auf Wochen, ja einmal auf Monate hinaus.

Die Sache schien mir so ungeheuerlich, die Bezichtigung so maßlos zu sein, daß ich, gequält von der Furcht, Unrecht zu tun, wieder ängstlich und unsicher wurde.