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still correct about palestine

>>23188989
This nigga

>>23188995
Still correct about everything + still has some 20 years to go

>>23188989
Chomskys good friend Norman Finklestein. Spent 50 years of his life reading about Palestine only to not use any of it during a 5 hour debate.

>>23188989
Guy starting to look like Socrates, it suits him

>>23189011
What debate?

>>23189027
Lex Fridmans.

>>23188989
Not to mention he went back on his free speech/freedom of expression stance because of a combination of TDS and being too old to understand the internet.

>>23188989
BTFO by Foucault

>>23189000
He has been proven wrong on every possible occasion. Just look at the current geopolitical state of the world and say to my face that the neoliberal end of History has been reached. LMFAO

>>23189044
History will only restart when the United States as we know it ceases to exist. America is the thing keeping history in stasis.

>>23189043
Not only that, still unaware of just how hard he got BTFO and why.

>>23188989
the future makes fools out of lots of guys just many guys die first so it isn't as apparent. but yes noam is the prime example of being considered an expert but getting cucked in every conceivable dimension

>>23189071
>America is the thing keeping history in stasis.

America isn't itself and hasn't been since 1870. The real obstruction is not opening space up to Manifest Destiny of Mankind. That's down to anklebiters and perfidy.

>>23188989
WOODY Allen
Chomsky defended him?

mmmmvotebiden

>>23189128
We're going to return to an age of de jure aristocracy, whether we go to space or not. The window of democracy in the world will ultimately prove to be very brief, as windows of democracy historically have been. Even Athens' democracy didn't really last more than two centuries.

>>23189429
lmao

>>23189033
trump was great for the sole reason of getting every sham public intellectual to out themselves. the ones who didn't do a 180 on their own positions because orange man bad are the only ones worth paying attention to going forward

>>23188989
Schopenhauer

>>23189429
Kek

>>23188995
>>23188989
>spend your entire career as The Guy and get constant accolades and speaking gigs and talking head gigs, sell a bunch of books
>last 10-20 years of your life you have some people whining about you and don’t get media calls
Oh no! What a terrible life!

>>23188995
Cope he’s right

>>23188989
His linguistics stuff was destroyed. What has he said in the past 20-30 years that's been wrong though?

>>23189027
It was barely a debate. it was more of an unmoderated slapfest with some streamer. The thing was utterly bizzare

I don't like him because he said that he thinks all languages are equally interesting

>>23189071
>History will only restart when the United States as we know it ceases to exist.
So 2001?

>>23189506
America is more aristocratic than most countries, since we have no Kings or Church to keep the aristocrats in line.

>>23189044
The End of History happens in the world of ideas and only there, anon. Thus, "the current geopolitical state of the world" cannot disprove the End of History, only the emergence of a new political theory that is "better" than liberalism can. Material history may catch up with the End of History (of ideas) for a very long time; some countries even may become liberal but regress backwards. The only counter-argument against his version of the End of History is some new political ideology, conventionally shared as a new pinnacle of human thought. Where is it?

>>23188989
Absolute bullshit. There's barely anything he's actually outright wrong about, and nobody saying this shit actually brings up what he actually claims through his extensive works or why it would be false. His approach to linguistics is perfectly justified from the poverty of the stimulus argument; that hasn't been 'refuted' in any sense. The idea that the existence of Pirahã obsoletes this is absurd.

He also handily demonstrates just how much power the media have always had to suppress wrongthink in ways that have nothing to demonstrate any counter.

>>23189033
>>23189581
This is true though. So many 'theorists' were clearly complete blowhards and seeing their constitution crumple in the face of every thing just sealed how pointless it all was.

>>23188991
Israel is not America's proxxy vassal, America is Israel's proxxy Empire

>>23189506
>We're going to return to an age of de jure aristocracy
We're already there. People like the Clintons, Bushes, and Bidens can just do whatever the fuck they want without consequence up to and including destabilizing other countries, embezzling money, and fucking underage girls. They can get caught red handed and walk away every time.

>>23190272
america is the least aristocratic nation of all history

>>23190420
Nonsense, we are just better at concealing it. American politicians get a lot of attention but have very little actual power. The real power is in the hands of the bankers and the industralists. Obviously bankers have existed for thousands of years, but they've never had the power they had in America. There are no checks and balances because America has no king and no church, which were the two groups that kept aristocrats in check historically.

>>23190449
>The real power is in the hands of the bankers and the industralists.
So the bourgeoise?

>>23188991
Yep, his geopolitical stuff is not far off.

>>23190454
>So the bourgeoise?
You know that word means "middle class" right?

>>23190469
americans have no understanding of class

>>23190469
>>23190471
"middle class" in the us means working class, literally he people who don't own much besides maybe their house and some ETFs, but do actually work for a living.

>>23189011
Finkelstein totally ripped destiny a new ass. Destiny looked like a sham at the end. Not knowing about binding resolutions, the PLO, all the evidence Palestine wanted to negotiate. He made good points too.

>>23190495
How many people does finkelstein have in his chat every single day. Fewer than 14K? That's odd, why don't people want to watch him if he's so right?

>>23190500
How many people does finkelstein have in his chat every single day?
By that metric Hasan Piker is the greatest political theorist of all time.

>>23190500

If public opinion was right on Palestine there wouldn't be a war, you genius.
Since when was public opinion ever right?

>>23190500
>unironic argumentum ad populum

>>23190500
>why don't people want to watch him if he's so right?
There is no connection between those two things.

>>23189032
Who?

>>23190719
Anon too big brained to search engine, like whoa man.

>>23190256
No one forced finklestein to act like a retard with nothing of value to contribute besides smugly grinning while flipping through his own books.

>>23190463
His geopolitical theories all stem from the foundational idea of "America and Capitalism bad" so his otherwise decent takes will always get corrupted and twisted by his retarded Tankie neurosis.

>>23188991
жид

>>23190950
Go buy some BS you dont need on Amazon just to make Bezos richer than he already is, faggot zhyd.

Fuck him, he advocated for imprisoning those who didn't want to be "vaccinated" against "covid". The millions dead and maimed speak for themselves more than I ever could.

>>23189011
Holy shit that's hilarious and tragic.

>>23190495
Finkelstein got cornered by Destiny multiple times and just insulted him when he had no way out.
>doesn't read South Africa's petition while pretending to have done so
>has no idea what dolus specialis is and calls Destiny poor read for knowing what it is
>spends an hour seething that he misquoted a book written by a guy sitting right in front of him
>supports the Houthis for breaking international law while hating Israel for breaking international law
all he did was take 5 minutes to make a point and seethe at being exposed by a Factorio streamer

>>23191937
you are a fantastic moron.
if you are unable to articulate a coherent point then at least have the humility to stop yourself from posting and remain silent in your filth and ignorance.

i feel like at most one person in this thread has the linguistic knowledge to actually talk about whether or not chomsky's ideas have been refuted

>>23191957
Ironically enough, this too is a misquote
>Verification not required.

>>23190331
>Where is it?

>>23190471
When Americans talk about "class" they mean actual economic classes, not Britbong nnnnnclarrrrrss which is about when yoonee you got pederasted at or which village outside of Brithumbwickinghambyshire on stickum your accent makes you sound like you were born in.

>>23190500
correct isn't the same as entertaining you fucking idiot, why do you think alex jones is worth a hundred gorillion dollars

>>23192642
lol i think you mean -800million dollars

>>23188989
>>23188989
manufactured consent still totally holds true

>>23188991
Lol, not even close

>>23188995
Growing up is realizing that this guy was literally right about everything.

>>23192321
>Why yes, I am terminally online. How can you tell?
It was wild Finklestein didn't know a term used 4 times in the 84 page report he claimed to have read. Really activates the almonds.

>>23190449
>The real power is in the hands of the bankers and the industralists
Who are these people? Do you know their names? What do they do? Who does what specifically? Where is the evidence of this?

>>23188995
I'm not a liberal but annoying anons have led to to become Fukuyama's strongest advocate what have you made me into

>>23188989
He's a lefty. Every model he describes are accurate to denouce the party he votes. You can't have any of that.

>>23192715
obfuscating faggot, i hope the cheque is worth it
and if you want a direct example, how about the bank ceos like lloyd blankfein, jamie dimon and kathleen corbett who lobbied the bush administration to deregulate them, crashed the world economy and then got the obama administration to bail them out and not a single one of them saw jail time, or even a significant fine

>>23192817
>lefties
>voting for democrats

>>23192605
when americans talk about "class" they mean how much money people earn, which isn't what class is

>>23192997
That’s exactly what class is.

>>23192863
That’s exactly what lefties do.

>>23193021
>That’s exactly what class is.
dipshit

>>23193021
class in a strict sense is your relationship to the means of production, probably what >>23192997 is referring to.

a funny quirk of marxist theory; if how exploited you are is the proportion of how much you're paid to how much value you generate, then the most exploited workers on earth are like wall street finance bros lmao

>>23190272
Yeah, because Kings and Curches have done such a good job of keeping nobles in line.

>>23188989
i dont care about class i care about ass

>>23193061
>class in a strict sense is your relationship to the means of production

Funny how that correlates so closely with how much money you earn.

>>23193061
>if how exploited you are is the proportion of how much you're paid to how much value you generate, then the most exploited workers on earth are like wall street finance bros
that's not what marxist theory says. obviously it doesn't scale, because the absolute values being earned by individuals are so grotesquely different. that wasn't marx's definition of exploitation, and hasn't been anyone's since, and yeah, basically, you're gay *plays enter sandman*

>>23192817
Compare Biden and Trump's environmental records. It makes perfect sense to vote Democrat until there aren't maniacs trying to massively increase carbon emissions and denying climate science. You can say "the two parties are the same!" all you want as a cope, but if you look at the records there's a massive difference in terms of environment at least. I think that's enough of an emergency to justify voting blue.

qrd?

>>23193152
omg denying climate science

>>23193152
I can't tell if this is satire

>>23193152
>you have to give me power or the weather will get upset!
Truly incredible this one is still working thousands of years later

>>23188989
I disagree profoundly with Chomsky and have had two long email exchanges with him over the last ten years about specific issues, but to suggest that he got BTFO by anyone in public seems like a stretch. If you have the interviews, please link them now.

>>23193232
nigga just open up chatgpt he was completely blindsided by the world revolutionizing development in his own field of expertise. He 'worked' in this field for decades and yet his work had literally nothing to do with the most revolutionary development in linguistics ever

>>23193248
What does that have to do with what's being discussed? His opinions haven't been debunked or nullified in any substantial way.

>>23193269
it means he wasn't even close to understanding his field of expertise for decades. meanwhile some rando compsci guys revolutionized the field these past 5 years and his entire career of research is meaningless. like guys that spent their life trying to trasmute gold or something

>>23193316
How is that the point? That's like saying that someone who believed that creating art and literature was wrong to propose that creating such required years of dedication and practice because a computer cheaply reproduced "art" and "literature" fifty years later.

>>23193323
no it means his ideas are absolute dead ends thats the point

>>23193328
Hardly. If you think computer technology simply redefines past industries, you're wrong. There's such thing as having the function of things change AS A RESULT OF technology. That doesn't mean that progress made before the technology existed is therefore nullified.

>>23193340
it was not progress before, it went nowhere DOOOD cmon you know this is true. some kid who learns how mistral works is more valuable than noam

>>23193345
He's not particularly renowned for his linguistics work, he's renowned for his consistent and thorough critique of neoliberalism and corporatism.

>>23193178
>poisoning the whole world is fine actually as long as i can make some brainless analogy to the bible

>>23191011
lel, seething commie nigger

>>23191937
Literally never happened.

>>23190950
>chomsky
>tankie
Today's the day I realized /lit/ was irreparably retarded

>>23191937
You can't be serious with this analysis. Top-tier bait.

>>23188989
>make up a bunch of bullshit
>it gets exposed as bullshit
>surprise_pikachu.mkv

>>23188989
To an extent Charles Darwin. There were a lot of basic holes in his theory of evolution that weren't really filled until after his death.

>>23188989
What is the point of a debate. I bet everyone here picks a winner beforehand according to their beliefs

>>23193178
>company drills holes into the bottom of a boat
>people on the boat want the captain to pass regulations to stop them from sinking the ship
>OMG authoritarianism!!!! This is basically Nazi Germany!!!!

>>23190331
This anon gets it. Fukuyama will not be proven wrong until someone invents something beyond liberalism. That hasn’t happened. Communism was supposed to be it but it failed, and unless you’re a shill for China I don’t think anyone is convinced that communism is in our future any time soon

>>23193061
>proportion of how much you're paid to how much value you generate
Do finance bros generate value though? Gonna be real I only read the first few chapters of capital and skimmed some essays, but finance basically just moves capital around, they don't make commodities themselves. Since they're nonproductive, I don't think they can technically be exploited

>>23193484
>Fukuyama will not be proven wrong until someone invents something beyond liberalism
Pinochet and deng xiaoping already did a while ago. Liberalism/democracy and capitalism aren't married to each other, you can easily build a free market economy without giving a shit about "human rights" or elections

>>23192648
To the point he participates in it every 2 years.

>>23188989
he was right about the mass media shaping the public. idk why moldbug gave him shit, he has a similar idea with the cathedral but extended to major universities.

>>23190449
so not aristocrats then. i know you think aristocrat means important family but it doesn't. also what "industralists", are you from 1924? bankers sure but it's mostly the ones working for USG like larry fink and jerome powell.

>>23189011
>>23190256
>>23190878
Destiny is morally abhorrent but yeah wtf was that. The first two hours was Norm speaking extremely slowly with his excuse being he "cares about words" and half of his words were focused on credentials or repeating "I wrote my doctoral dissertation on this" while taking singular quotes out of context FROM THE AUTHOR IN FRONT OF HIM. TBF this is the least I expect from a Poli Sci person (regardless if they are left or right). History and philosophy seemingly still the only departments in the humanities that can produce competent academics.

>>23188989
>OP talkin shit
>has no argument

>comments agreeing have no argument, it's all bluster

never change, 4chan

>>23193021
>leftists vote for liberal capitalists

hey retard how are you doing today

>>23193701
Who else are they going to vote for? Some random psl guy w/ 0.5% of the vote and risk letting Jebediah Childrapist make things somehow even worse?

>>23193474
doesn't realize he's the only one along with the rest of us peons who will be forced to change their lives for the environment. We'll livd in tiny little sheds while those assholes live in mansions and fly around the world. It's a group effort. You're a cuck.

>>23190392
Pax Judaica.

>>23193474
>>23193422
>muh oil companies!
>of course im going to buy the newest slop and watch the newest slop movie, why would i give up on my consumeristic desires??
the environment is the way it is because of people buying slop. they will keep buying slop forever.

Yet he can still BTFO his Depends with geriatric-grade diarrhea. Jealous much?

>>23189581
>. the ones who didn't do a 180 on their own positions because orange man bad are the only ones worth paying attention to going forward
name 1
even people like Curtis Yarvin who historically say and write whatever the fuck they want are publically distancing themselves from Trump each day

>>23193316
you're an idiot. most NLP has very little to do with actual genuine linguistics. chatgpt for instance functions in a way that resembles human natural language in virtually no way whatsoever

I still respect Chomsky. It doesn't matter whether he gets proven to be a phony. I will defend Chomsky simply because of the stance he displayed on his debate against Foucault.

>>23193152
>Compare Biden and Trump's environmental records
Absolutely irrelevant, and prime material for consensus manufacture of the public for the demoralized moral manipulation it provides

>It makes perfect sense to vote Democrat
Deconstructing this sentence, I'm more worried of what you have to say for capitalizing the D on democrats

>until there aren't maniacs trying to massively increase carbon emissions
Oh, because democrats aren't sponsoring them, right? That's not just another politicking tool, right?

>You can say "the two parties are different!" all you want as a cope
FTFY

>but if you look at the records
The records mean shit, you'll find records to prove whatever you want

> I think that's enough of an emergency to justify voting blue
Demoralization achieved sucessfuly, your new overlords are satisfied with your compliance. Now go work your ass off to barely pay for blackrock rent, and don't forget your antidepressants. At least it's not a republican in office


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>>23193178
Consider how effective this is. Then consider how we are able to still have a functioning society in spite of this.

>>23193422
The world is fine. You are fucked either way.

>>23194156
academia is a subfield of the entertainment industry, never support any of their products

>>23188989
And the epstein flights...

>>23193895
>Pax

>>23193152
>Compare Biden and Trump's environmental records
If you really cared about the environment, you'd oppose immigration from third world countries. It's well known that non-european migration tends to lead to an absurdly high increase in carbon/trash output, an upwards of 800%+ in carbon emissions for the average third worlder that moves to the U.S.
But you're just an idealogue that is attempting to use the environmental issues to push your retarded worldview that hasn't got much of a foundation other than "blue team said X, so X. Also red team bad."

>>23188991
fpbp

>>23190420

>>23193248
>work had literally nothing to do with the most revolutionary development in linguistics ever
chomsky's eternal contribution will be his work on formal computation theory (the chomsky hierarchy and so forth), which did have something to do with chatgpt in a very indirect way

>>23194063
>the environment is the way it is because of people buying slop
this is responsible for maybe 5-10% of the environmental damage we're experiencing, the other 90% is governments and corporations
>captcha: KYSH

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>>23192696
Finklestein fancies himself a reclusive academic whom the many must beg to release a crumb of archaic knowledge. It destroys his ego that he doesn't know a Latin term.
Also, 4 times is a lot of times to miss it and never look it up. Dinkleberg doesn't actually read primary sources nor does he even know Hebrew so it's not like he's used to understanding what he's read.
>>23193701
Leftism is about supporting LGBTQ2AI+ rights and nothing else, so yes.
>muh gommunism
Never about anything more than resentment, so yes.
>>23193463
>>23193455
>No rebuttal because you didnt listen
typical charlatans of /lit/

>>23188989
>>23188989
How it started:
>the dissemination of information is monopolized which equates to le manufacturing consent!
>I don't agree with holocaust denial but I will write a preface to this book about the importance of the free expression of ideas!
How it's going:
>the government needs to enact laws that moderate the dissemination of information through speech on social media platforms
>I regret writing that free speech preface...also Trump is dangerous!!!!

>>23189011
>>23189027
>>23190256
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>>23191918
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bA-rU9UsQo
My favorite is "at least I have a quote to cherry-pick; all you have is Wikipedia."

>>23196039
>>23190495
Why is he debating some random twitch streamer

>>23188995
What the fuck has Murakami to do with CHomsky?

>>23192863
why would a leftist vote republican

>>23196051
Only way he'd have access to Benny Moriss. Finklestein isn't an actual academic which he demonstrated in the debate.

>>23196039
>All you have is Wickey-Pedia

>>23189011
>>23193692
Yet he still managed to be correct in his position with little effort while belittling that neckbeard faggot

>>23190151
>His linguistics stuff was destroyed
Explain this meme

>>23191937
This.

Finkelstein embarrassed himself. The fact that Destiny of all people is in the same zip code as this fucking guy after only a few months of online research is seriously embarrassing.

Anybody defending Finkelstein after that atrocity needs to reassess their views. Straight up. Simple fucking as.

>>23193021
>That’s exactly what class is.
lmao retard

>it was real in my head

>>23196448
He's just like any other leftist, there's nothing remarkable about him. His one shtick is acting sanctimonious and, in typical yid fashion, accusing his enemies of supporting "genocide." When he can't do this, he blusters until he sees an opening to try again.

>>23193363
Pfffft okay he's somewhat polarizing in linguistics (one of my professors who is more statistical-computational oriented even sounds quite a bit like the LLMcel you're replying to sometimes) but at this point in time literally the entire field is either working off of his theory, trying to disprove it because you can't proceed under your own paradigm without first as showing that generative universal grammar is wrong, or bragging at every corner about how he is irrelevant now (he obviously isn't)

>>23196435
Delusional cope. Is his position that he has no idea what he's talking about and must guess based on Morris' quotes because he's incapable of asking the author in front of him to clarify? Even Lex had to tell him to move on after he failed to persuade anyone in the first two hours

>>23189000
>>23189996
>>23192674
>America will never collapse because it just won't okay?
Lmao why are there so many neolib shills on /lit/

>>23189000 #
>>23189996 #
>>23192674 #
>America will never collapse because it just won't okay?
Lmao why are there so many neolib shills on /lit/
I bet you also unironically believe in MMT

>>23190331
>>23193484
Has Fukuyama addressed the fact that all liberal countries have low birth rates and the only ones with sustainable population are anti democratic?
If no then I don't give a fuck what he says, demographics are everything.
Liberalism will die and humanity goes back to absolutism.

>>23197918
I don't think that's 100% true either way. Its probably a lot more nuanced than that.
And even if it's true, no academic is going to make criticism of its source, 3rd wave feminism, that's a no no. Not that I think they shouldn't but to imply that women's rights negatively impacts anything is a good way to get someone's tenure reduced.

>>23197944
>3rd wave feminism
It's all waves, but especially the second which forced women into work force

>>23188991
100%

>>23189011
To be fair Destiny is a seasoned and master debater. He spent the last 8+ years just learning how to debate. Also Finklestein was arguing on shaky grounds

>>23190420
The aristocracy is still alive: they are our celebrities, entertainers. Parasitic scum that's stuck to everything like a gooey slime. They only exploit our vices.

>>23194148
>has very little to do with actual genuine linguistics
Because linguistics is a pseudoscience that doesn't reflect reality or have any applications. It's a flawed attempt to map underlying structures we have mapped better with other methods.

>>23198136
>is a seasoned and master debater
Seasoned subversive. His goal is to manipulate, many times he sincerely tried to argue that this is normal and the better manipulator "wins". The prize for ruining any chance of finding anything out is apparently adoration from easily influenced children.

>>23198375
Not aristocracy.
You're using aristocracy in a loose, colloquial sense, not understanding the difference between the bourgeoisie and the nobility. Both have utterly different values and motivations.

>>23197918
>demographics are everything
not saying liberalism will stick around but don't google the reconquesta
or colonal warfare
or how long jews have been around
or plenty of other examples

>>23198136
You watch it with your motamouth

>>23196039
Kek.
My friend told me about the debate and his favorite was
>between us we have read 10,000 hours of literature. I have read 10,000 hours, you read a Wikipedia page.

>>23193459
First day here?

>>23195829
>the other 90% is governments and corporations
You can't exactly do a lot about the government without drawing blood, but those corporations exist because people buy shit from them.
Temu and Shien and whatever other companies that are selling chink trash can only do so because people keep giving them money for crap that ends up in a landfill in a month because either it broke or it's not in fashion anymore.
People say
>there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
as if it absolves them of any culpability.
But the meaning shouldn't be to give up and become a consumer, it should be to buy who you need but to not be excessive in your purchases from shit companies. I don't buy anything from Nestle if I can, but I'm sure that they own some company which owns some company that makes something I've bought before.

>>23198466
Yeah a minority can rise up but I don't see this happening now

Chomsky is a fine thinker. Very Anglo-American in his broader worldview and that is Fine. He has a good heart and he is a damn sharp thinker. Extremely powerful memory and reading ability.

Manufacturing Consent and broader critiques of American military power remain as accurate and helpful as ever.

>>23197361
You're right. What an author himself writes doesn't really matter when you're unprincipled and can change your opinion depending on the person you talk to. You cracked the matrix. You also probably think ascribing logical fallacies alone is an argument in itself, because genius twitch streamers and their audiences seem to think so, too.

>>23197960
Oh but of course...

>>23199407
He was quoting Morris out of context. What the fuck are you talking about? He was wrong, was corrected and that exchange didn't register in his brain so he used the same quote again in the same manner. If anyone here is unprincipled is the retard Finklestein who praises Benny Morris and then ignores his opinion on the quotes he wrote.
>You cracked the matrix.
Patronizing is for people who are smart.
>ascribing logical fallacies alone is an argument in itself
What like calling someone a moron or an imbecile during a debate? No, I don't think those are arguments at all which is why it was confusing for me to see a self-proclaimed "academic" screeching them across the table at Destiny who would have a question asked of him only to be derailed as he was answering. What a shitfest that was.

>>23199428
>muh context
They can particularise the context all they like it doesn't make their position less vacuous or the oppositions less correct.
>What like calling someone a moron or an imbecile during a debate?
What, like you for believing unsubstantial zionist deflections? It's refreshing to hear a lifetime academic finally state the obvious before he hits the bucket.

>>23199450
>or the oppositions less correct.
Yes, it does. If you're literally misquoting someone it means you are wrong by definition.
>unsubstantial
The books Benny Morris wrote and Finklestein praised are unsubstantial. 10-4.
You are actually retarded. God speed, friend.

>>23199462
>misquote
None occurred. "Out of context" apparently did.
>God speed, friend.
You too, good luck in any real debate outside social media and knock your head against the wall figuring out how the the fallacy fallacy actually doesn't prove anything.

>>23199492
If it's out of context it is quoted incorrectly which is the definition of the term misquote.
>the the fallacy fallacy
Epic discourse

>>23188995
He's annoyingly both right and wrong and I hated his smug kick-the-can excuses the last time he got checked. But it's not as bad as fucking pic related. Literally every prediction has failed.

>>23199500
Whether or not it was out of context and if that lack of context disproves his overall argument dubious, though you really destroyed me with facts and reason on the point of a mistake grammar. Winrar is you.

>>23199520
*is dubious

>>23199520
>Winrar is you.
As is tradition. Whenever you're ready to illustrate a coherent idea feel free to post it.
>if
Just watch the debate. The guy who wrote the book corrects the record in real time.

>>23199536
>The guy who wrote the book corrects the record in real time.
You hear that? It's the sound of a shallow case defending itself by saying quote A is actually quote B+A having said nothing of argument X, which assumes quote B is a given.

>>23199551
>defending itself
Okay, learn Hebrew and prove him wrong. If you feel strongly about Benny being a hack who would tarnish his reputation by lying to win a debate on the internet then put some skin in the game. All the best on your journey.

>>23199557
He didn't lie, he's just desperate and grasping at straws, muddying the waters of sentiments that are very easy to understand.
>learn Hebrew
Then I'd know what Israeli's really think of Palestinians.

>>23188989
Good. Guy peaked in the Foucault debate BTFO-ing.