/lit/ - Literature

>>23155170
God never exists besides for low IQ individuals who can't think for themselves

>>23155170
>How science can determine human values
What was the answer?

>>23155194
I haven't read the book, but there isn't.

>>23155170
Starts with cope.
>>23155174
Continues with cope.

>>23155170
>t. prefers to worship a human man with unimpressive, measurable intelligence, and observable fallibility than the unfathomable God
Do atheistlets really?

>>23155202
>Cope
You sheep are the ones dying off. I just need to wait before low IQ anons like you are gone

>>23155170
>Steven Arthur Pinker (born September 18, 1954)[2][3] is a Canadian-American cognitive psychologist, psycholinguist, popular science author, and public intellectual. He is an advocate of evolutionary psychology and the computational theory of mind.[4][5][6][7]

>Pinker was born in Montreal, Quebec, in 1954, to a middle-class secular Jewish family in an English-speaking community.[19][20][21]
there it is

>>23155170
This book was refuted by an Arab in a book review.

>>23155218
What was the publication? "Goat Pussy Quarterly"?

>>23155170
if magic isn't real then all that means is you murdered the druids for sport

>>23155170
>when the ought isn't

>>23155221
I think it as TKD: Special Summer Edition.

>>23155218
compare average arab iq to average jew iq and get back to me on who you believe

>>23155170
oh my science

>>23155285
Average IQ is irrelevant on 1v1 cases.

>>23155202
>Mark 4:31
>It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds on earth.

Your God is a moron. He created the seeds, yet doesn't know which one is the smallest.

>>23155334
Reddit moment

>>23155337
I like how there's nothing you can say against this. I guess you always have your "It was a metaphor" card, but even then the metaphor is not accurate.

Jesus also thought demons were the cause of being sick and told his followers not to was their hands before they eat. He's supposed to be God, yet doesn't know about bacteria. What grand wisdom.

>>23155334
>>23155334
The context is tree seeds. Mustard trees are the smallest tree seed but they grow to massive size. Poppy seeds are just plant seeds. It's used as a parable to show some one or thing which appears inconsequential in this (tiny seed) life will be the most glorious and revered in the next (massive tree)

> “How can we show what the kingdom of God is like, or what parable can we use to describe it? 31 It’s like a mustard seed planted in the ground. Although it’s the smallest of all the seeds on earth, 32 when it’s planted it comes up and becomes larger than all the garden plants. It grows such large branches that the birds in the sky can nest in its shade.”

>>23155351
He should have said "among the smallest seeds on earth". But he said it was the smallest. Your God was wrong. Time to face the facts.

>>23155356
In certain translations he does. In the Hebrew it's literally "of the smallest".

>>23155360
>In certain translations

The absolute cope. Imagine having multiple "translations" you bounce between to stitch together your cope. Each person stitching together a different meaning and forming a new sect of Jew worship.

>>23155356
Nta but:

>Please note that Jesus was not comparing the mustard seed to all other seeds in the world, but to seeds that a local, Palestinian farmer might have “sowed in his field,” i.e., a key qualifying phrase in verse 31. And it’s absolutely true that the black mustard seed (Brassica nigra = Sinapis nigra) was the smallest seed ever sown by a first-century farmer in that part of the world.

>It’s also true, as many modern-day encyclopedias will tell you, that the black mustard seed in Israel will typically grow to heights of 3.7 meters, or 12 (twelve) feet—plenty large enough to hold a bird nest.

>It’s important to remember that the Bible often uses everyday terminology in order to communicate simple truth. Even today, we might refer to a “sunset” when, technically, scientifically, we know that the sun never actually “sets,” i.e., it’s the Earth that revolves.

>>23155369
Cope is ignoring context and biblical scholarship to hate Christianity.

>>23155356
When people come to visit me in north central Maine, I might take them on a drive, passing a good number of lakes and ponds, to Moosehead Lake, which I will describe to them as being “the largest lake of all.” Of course, our guests will usually realize that I’m speaking locally, not globally. They don’t often question my credibility.

The context of Matthew 13 makes it quite clear that Jesus was addressing a local lay audience, not an international conference of botanists. It seems that no reasonable person would therefore insist for very long that this text provides a viable basis for questioning either Jesus or the Bible, when it comes to getting the facts straight—scientifically, historically, or technically.

>>23155170
You can't derive an ought from an is.

>>23155370
>>23155374
Jesus told his followers not to wash their hands before eating like the evil Pharisees do.

Matthew 15
English Standard Version
Traditions and Commandments

>Matthew 15
>Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.”

Your God is an idiot. Imagine how many people took that stupid advice and got infected with ecoli and whatever else was on the filth they touched daily.

Some atheist kike's reddit science book will never replace anything. This isn't even good for wiping my ass.

>>23155395
Jesus was Jewish. They didn't have toilet paper 2,000 years ago, he probably smelled like shit.

>>23155207
>low IQ
Bzzt bzzt! Guess again.
>sheep
Why thank you! Nice of you to say! Christ's flock reporting in!
>dying off
Guess again.

>>23155334
Oh, Mr. Cope, you'll have to do better than that. Surely, you didn't think that post would rattle any Christian did you?

>>23155170
Literally one of the worst books I've ever read and one of the only ones I've thrown in the garbage

>>23155454
Yeah not very realistic when using bread or wafers to eat his smelly body.

>>23155170
Is this just them pretending that utilitarianism is a new thing?

>>23155474
Are you retarded? It is dying

>>23155844
based moomin

>>23155170
>Samuel Harristein
>Samuel Harrisberg

>>23155360
>>23155370
To anyone who knows Greek, it quite clearly says "the smallest on the Earth" (μικρότερον ὂν πάντων τῶν σπερμάτων τῶν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς)

>>23155385
>He told me to take the plank out of my eye when there was nothing but my contact lens.

>>23155385
The point of that story was that if a lower order rule violates the primary commandment of loving your brothers, it's meaningless in context and should be thrown out.

>>23156082
Yep.

>>23156082
its an antiscience dogwhistle

>>23156086
Good, science is 99% bullshit.
But, it isn't that, so it's m00t anyway. Why can't you love others? It's not hard to do.

>>23156086
>its an anti-deboonking dogwhistle

>>23156076
>>23156082
>>23156092
>>23156095
>The Bible is only to be taken literally when we want to hate gays, otherwise it's all figurative and nothing is literal

>>23156097
>Homosexuality in an atheism thread, pt. 9054

>>23155194
I remember watching him debate William lane Craig and he proposed an idea that morality is what would be decided among humans who were not born yet who were perfectly rational, and had no knowledge of who they would be born as so they wouldn’t give unfair preference to people born a certain race, gender, or something else like that. It was very weird in my opinion.

>>23155170
why did you burn all the gnostics then, were you just sad your dick doesn't work?

>>23155174
Wow anon I wish i was as smart as you

>>23156108
wat

>>23156097
The Bible explicitly says not to hate anyone, and thus I dont.

>>23155207
Not really. Religious people have more sex than atheists. If the graphs are correct about atheism on the rise, in about a millennium the human race will be finished.

>>23155502
Please give a brief synopsis of how he believes science can determine moral values.

>>23155170
When I was 16 this was thoroughly convincing. Many years later, I can't even stomach reading this slop.

>>23156097
maybe if atheists *literally* took their own advice on enjoying life and not caring about invisible sky fairy genie old men living on the clouds they wouldn't kill themselves in such record numbers

>>23156164
No one can refute this

>>23155170
hume sisters.. we've are btfo

>>23156331
Probably either showing that monkeys can have ideas like fairness when it comes the the grape experiment or that science can show us what makes humans flourish. In his debate against bill craig I recall him making an argument based on human flourishing. This of course is the debate where he got totally destroyed btw

>>23155170
sam harris is a perfect example of a public intellectual who has nothing important to say, and whose entire career relies solely on jewish privilege.

>We post like it's the early 2000s again.
This man hasn't been relevant in years and never did anything of value with his time.

did he ever denounce the Talmud?

>>23157013
>militant atheists
>mocking the jewish religion
lol
lmao

>>23156108
Isnt that a thought experiment from Rawls?

>>23156784
true

>>23155170
My contribution.

>>23157902
lol

>>23155174
An enemy that numbers time in millennia with a cultural basis that goes back to preliterate man and symbolism rooted in primordial hominids appears!
>[(You)--Choose your fighter]!
a) Richard Dawkins: rat-faced evolutionary biologist who popularized the word meme (secret weapon: Scientism; weakness: Kafka)
b) Sam Harris: midwit who solved the problem of induction (secret weapon: meditation; weakness: complex thought)
c) Christopher Hitchens: reformed commie/former fag with great talent for rhetoric (secret weapon: alcoholic snark (aka Hitchslap); weakness: Neoconservatism)
d) Daniel Dennett: Saturday morning philosopher (secret weapon: midwit empowerment (aka Reddit); weakness: phenomenology)
>(You): WEAPONIZED CONDESCENTION! ALL FOUR HORSEMEN, I CHOOSE (You)s!
*****[Fight!]*****
>(You) choose: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, DO YOU?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy isn't 4 and is unimpressed you don't believe in Santa. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP ZEUS?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Even myth is meaningful in a way not reducible to materialism. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: SCIENCE THOUGH!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy brings up the history of science and its complex relationship and continuing interplay with religion. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: FEDORA TIP!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>(You) choose: NO YOU!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>[(You) have fainted.]

>>23155194
It's called eugenics, but no book is gonna talk about it.

>>23155170
>Scam Harris
>write book
>book says "do good and avoid evil"
>atheists slurp it up
It literally says the same thing the Bible says, but more vaguely.

>>23158030
lol

>>23155170
>it's really simple see
>there are things that suck and things that don't so--
>THIS IS OBJECTIVE! OBJECTIVE!
>so, we orient ourselves away from the suck toward the unsuck and--
>GO PUT YOUR HAND ON A FUCKING STOVE!
>as I was saying,
>TRUMP HAD TO LOSE! I DON'T CARE IF THE FBI COVERED UP THE BODIES OF MURDERED CHILDREN BEING FOUND IN HUNTER BIDEN'S BASEMENT
>so yeah, I've solved the is-ought gap

>>23155170

>>23157902
Pretty good.
The only question is, do I save this in his or lit?
Fuck it, why not both?

>>23156095

>>23158186
iirc Sam said eugenics works in theory but we still shouldn't do it because it's bad

>>23158316
damn...

>>23157871
I think so. Pretty interesting idea but it’s not objective morality. It’s just some way to understand what liberalism is.

>>23158030
Imagine seething at your own imaginary strawman this hard

>>23158569

>>23158569
>WAA
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]

>>23155170
No amount of pages will make arbitrary normative statements based on descriptives any more valid. Enjoy being beheaded by jihadists.

>>23155370
local, *Judean farmer

>>23158617
Owned

>>23158316
Idiotic meme

>>23158247
>>TRUMP HAD TO LOSE! I DON'T CARE IF THE FBI COVERED UP THE BODIES OF MURDERED CHILDREN BEING FOUND IN HUNTER BIDEN'S BASEMENT
holy mother of based!

>>23158617
Of course, you can't argue with an angry gorilla either. what's your point?

>>23156046
thirdie mentality desu. not everyone you dislike is jewish, but you clearly see educated white gentiles as jewish anyway so basically, you're brown.

>>23159192

>>23159192
Sham Harrichmuel is Jewish and brown and so are (You).

>>23158366
Tax breaks for parents who have undesirable traits when they have 2 or fewer children on a scale. Tax breaks for parents who have children, especially more than 2 who have desirable traits. Nothing forced, all voluntarism.

Eugenics *feels* bad, dysgenics simply is bad. Sam outs himself as the cowardly intellectual moron he always was.

>>23155170
This is just another spook to make men to do what they're told. I have absolutely no curiosity to know what he have to say about morals, mainly because he's marketed by people that hate existance.

>>23158316
wtf he's literally me? this internet character is ME!

>>23155170
Imagine coasting through life this hard.

is this the thread to discuss the "intellectual dark web" grifters?
currently I'm interested in this guy. it seems like he used his brother's spotlight to springboard himself into company with the other dark web people, despite doing nothing noteworthy. he seems to be preoccupied about people pointing out his unsightly moles and does everything he can to namedrop other Jews whenever he talks. in fact, despite his cadre being full of other jews, including the Orthodox Shapiro, this guy seems to be the most unabashedly Jewish. Sam Harris at least has the pretense of thinking his own Jewish identity is meaningless, and that evaluating any issue using that identity as a lens would be deranged. Eric seems like a real piece of shit who truly believes deep down that Jews are superior to the goyim.
His brother Bret by contrast doesn't seem to care one whit about his Jewishness.

>>23159190
Don't let either one into your country?

>>23156108
>>23156151
It's the typical "veil of ignorance". If you and your brother are splitting a piece of cake, one of you cuts the piece and the other select which one he gets. That way, you are forced to make the pieces fair because you don't know which one you will be getting, and if you make it unfair, you will be the one on the short end. This forces you to use your agency to make it fair for each position in the given problem, since you don't know if you will be assigned the worse off position.

>>23157013
>>23157082
He called Islam "the motherlode of bad ideas". Isn't that enough to assuage your whataboutism?

But if you insist on your obsession over the Jews, here's a direct quote from Harris: "Let me remind you that parts of Hebrew Bible—books like Leviticus and Exodus and Deuteronomy—are the most repellent, the most sickeningly unethical documents to be found in any religion. They’re worse than the Koran. They’re worse than any part of the New Testament." And "I don’t think Israel should exist as a Jewish state. I think it is obscene, irrational and unjustifiable to have a state organized around a religion."

>>23161672
NTAs but Sam Harris is a midwit and anyone taking him seriously is retarded.

>>23161370
He was around before the dark web. He's actually very smart but his main thing is to learn a bunch of book knowledge and then work his way into different circles where he can use that for leverage but without much substance. So when you see or hear him and get bad vibes it's because he's storytelling in ways that are meant to hide the lack of practical knowledge, always putting somebody else on the spot for whatever holes he can find.

>>23162190
You failed to address any of the points relevant to this conversation

>>23161651
The concept of being fair in my mind requires a sense of justice. Sams view of ignorance is just equality. For instance, people who commit crimes are given fair treatment but they are not treated equally to normal citizens after they are criminals. I see sams position as just a thought experiment to understand how equality can originate as a good idea for society to follow. But it ignores the concepts of right and wrong or justice. It’s very lacking.

>>23162560
Sam Harris is a retard and this guy already pointed out the reason why: >>23158617. If your IQ is above 105 it isn't particularly insightful to rationalize moral actions. What's retarded is Sam simply ignores the actual conundrums (e.g. the is-ought gap) and builds a framework he claims has overcome them. If he actually believes what he's saying he himself is a midwit (and his books are specifically tailored to midwits). He just assumes the validity of status quo liberalism while championing scientism. His books are dumb, bro.

>>23161370
ALL of these people are just liberals and imperialist stooges who are currently bitching and whining about random incidents of leftist activism for Palestine like fucking crybaby retards. They will host podcasts and write articles about the left's culture of victimhood just to turn into social justice warriors for those poor persecuted Jews on campus

>>23162595
>>23162666
All morality is just a negotiation between people to maximize each person's ability to get their needs and desires met in the most efficient way possible. This requires fairness as a matter of utility since there are so many variable and unknowns in the real world so there must be a framework of rights and privileges balanced with responsibilities. All this is in the service of the aforementioned goal, granting the best ability for all to pursue happiness. Any rule or law proposed which is not in line with what I've stated does not deserve to be called "moral".

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>>23162719
>All morality is just a negotiation between people to maximize each person's ability to get their needs and desires met in the most efficient way possible.
Again, reverse rationalizing moral actions into a preconceived framework isn't insightful to anyone other than midwits. Also, the definition you provided above cannot justify a given moral pathway as superior to another in terms of justice/injustice (e.g. you can describe something like the holocaust or the Soviet purges using the same framework without saying anything about their actual morality).
>This requires fairness as a matter of utility since there are so many variable and unknowns in the real world so there must be a framework of rights and privileges balanced with responsibilities.
This is an assumption that assumes status quo liberalism (something I brought up in the comment to which you're applying but have failed to acknowledge). It also fails to lay any foundational moral bedrock aside from the assumption that it's moral presuppositions are tautological.
>All this is in the service of the aforementioned goal, granting the best ability for all to pursue happiness.
And sunshine and rainbows with lollipops for all.
>Any rule or law proposed which is not in line with what I've stated does not deserve to be called "moral"
I've already pointed to how your framework can easily be used to justify things that are immoral. If your framework can justify anything while also allowing contradiction there is an obvious poverty in your logic.

Sam Harris is a joke and people who take him seriously are midwits.

>>23162735
>your framework can easily be used to justify things that are immoral.
No it cannot. As history showed, the societies where holocaust type events were carried out did not maximize desires for all, in fact, any attempt to maximize the desires for one group at the expense of another leads to disaster for all, that's the point. A basic level of respect for human decency is a prerequisite for a functional society, and a functional society is required to maximize the desires of any individual person!

>>23161370
Both he and his brother are retards but Brett is easily the dumber and goofier of the two of them. Look up Brett trying to explain his theory of everything. one of the most clearly fraudulent and scam ridden things I've ever heard. He claims to have figured out a ToE but "can't talk about details bc its too upending."
They also both look like lesbians

>>23162848
>holocaust type events
This happens because of civilization under existential threat. Things have to be reasonably stable and improving before everyone magically gets treated so fairly.

>>23159220
>>23159219
>His father... came from a quaker background

>>23162848
>No it cannot.
Yes it can. You're making the "not real x" argument because you're a midwit.

>>23162869
Yes, just as evolution starts with simple beginnings and slowly progresses to more complexity where more interesting phenomena can arise, the arc of morality is long and it only slowly bends towards justice. Many societies arise, and many are barbarous and unable to afford much in the way of fairness, thus they fail on moral grounds and are eventually swept away by the tides of time. No doubt, our society is but a notch along that long curve, the end of which is shrouded from our eyes.
>>23162958
You would need to establish that a society which practices such things as holocausts is better able to provide a stable base from which people can reliably meet their needs and desires. History refutes this.

>>23162666
The most retarded part of Sam's outlook is unironically that God is real >>23162666

>>23158030
Made me kek

>>23163005
>You would need to establish that a society which practices such things as holocausts is better able to provide a stable base from which people can reliably meet their needs and desires.
No I don't. You need to address the fact (reverse) rationalizing moral decisions under the assumption of liberalism somehow creates an objective standard of morality. I can reject liberalism while using the exact same framework to justify the decision making that lead to the holocaust and soviet purges.

Again, Sam Harris is a midwit who writes books for the same.

>>23163033
My friend, I think you need to come to terms with the fact that you are a midwit. I've attempted very carefully to elaborate on the point Harris is making, yet you seem unable to even engage with the specifics of what I wrote. I already answered why you cannot get from the framework of morals regarding the maximization of human desires to something like the soviet purges. And as far as Liberalism goes, I already alluded to the fact that this particular formation of society is simply a pit stop on the way to other systems, some likely to be better, some perhaps that are worse. You seem eager to sort things into neat labels which you've already decided are "bad" or "good" in-and-of-themselves for what could possibly be entirely arbitrary reasons of your own. Shed these preconceptions and actually engage in dialogue with me, free from pretenses! I'd still like to hear how you define a thing as "moral" when it does not lead to a Good as manifests in the human experience (that is, desires being fulfilled or a brand new experience which then becomes a desire to return to).

>>23161672
>>He called Islam "the motherlode of bad ideas".
he should have said judaism

>>23163139
Well they both mutilate the private parts of children, so they are on the same level of depravity.

>>23155345
Exceedingly low IQ post. Some notes:
> told his followers not to was their hands before they eat.
He never told his disciples NOT to wash hands, he merely made light of the situation because humans have an immune system, numbskull. It was in reply to the Pharisees who had made handwashing into a senseless obsession when it was in fact just a good guideline. I've eaten plenty of times without washing my hands and I am perfectly healthy. I am not neurotic (nor low IQ, like you), and I have a working immune system. The more you know.

>Jesus also thought demons were the cause of being sick
Two remarks here:
1) You're begging the question. You assume demons do not exist, therefore they cannot possibly cause any evil.
2) Jesus vehemently did NOT ascribe all illness to demons, on the contrary.

>I like how there's nothing you can say against this.
There's plenty to say: problem is that you're a subhuman moron. And you wouldn't get it. It wasn't a metaphor, it was hyperbole, which is still a figure of speech. The point which went over your head was that even a small seed like that of a mustard tree can grow into something large.

The gist of it is that you lack basic reading comprehension. Your reading of the Gospel is markedly WORSE than that of a Christian fundamentalist, and Christian fundamentalists are LOW IQ AS FUCK. Yet you're worse than that. Incredible.

>>23156097
You grew up in a Christian fundamentalist environment and it shows. You're one low IQ troglodyte, that's for sure.

>>23164349
Better than having phimosis.

>>23164410
There's no point trying to argue with people like that, they don't get it and make no attempt to.

>>23164410
>I've eaten plenty of times without washing my hands

LMAO Get a load of Edward Penisfingers over here trying to argue "I don't was my hands AND HERE'S WHY THAT'S A GOOD THING".

Do Christcucks really stoop so low to defend their fairytales?

Wash your hands you sick fuck. Jesus was wrong.

>>23164427
>You just don't get why Jesus disciples ate bread with shit smeared all over their hands. He showed those Pharisees!

Brave and powerful.

>>23164410
>It wasn't a metaphor, it was hyperbole

MUH HUPERBALEE

The mustard seed isn't the smallest seed. God should know that. LMAO

>>23163105
>I already answered why you cannot get from the framework of morals regarding the maximization of human desires to something like the soviet purges
No you didn't. You did what was predicted and assumed the morality of the principles of modern liberalism while asserting anything that doesn't adhere to such principles is disqualified (i.e. "not real x").
>Liberalism goes, I already alluded to the fact that this particular formation of society is simply a pit stop on the way to other systems, some likely to be better, some perhaps that are worse
That's just a truism that doesn't lend itself to the thesis you're making. It isn't insightful to say "the qualifications of morality will change overtime" because such is obvious to anyone midwit and above. It's a superficial observation midwits confuse as saything something but its no different than saying "energy consumption will rise as more countries modernize." The problem is that you're broadly assuming the relevance of liberal principles while reverse attributing their role in the historical narrative.
>You seem eager to sort things into neat labels which you've already decided are "bad" or "good" in-and-of-themselves for what could possibly be entirely arbitrary reasons of your own.
This is just a "no you," anon. It betrays the fact that you've misread prior posts and are unable to engage with criticism.
>blah blah blah
Again, Sam Harris doesn't actually address, let alone solve, any of the deep problems relating to moral philosophy. I can use the framework you've provided to characterize things, that are instinctively morally wrong at an individual level, as moral outcomes. The only response you can offer is "not real x" but notice that you don't actually address the nature of the criticism (i.e. what you're presenting isn't granular enough to engage with such outcomes as they arise while assuming the rational mechanism that has already been question).

You're a midwit, anon. You're replies are predictable because of this.

>>23155170
>google sam harris
>control f "jewish"
>4 results found
i'll never read this book

>>23155356
nice one nigger

>>23164425
Literally not. You can cure phimosis but gently stretching the skin, you don't need to chop the skin off you psycho, and certainly not of little babies who might not even have phimosis! What is wrong with you?

>>23155170
OY

>>23164565
>That's just a truism that doesn't lend itself to the thesis you're making. It isn't insightful to say "the qualifications of morality will change overtime"
You failed to grasp anything in my post. I laid out exactly why the qualifications stay the same, I was referring to how well societies achieve that and how Liberal formulations actually needlessly deprive many of it's own citizens of the basic ability to achieve their needs and desires. Again, you are so locked into your own preconceptions you can't even entertain the ideas I am presenting to you, and that is the sure mark of a midwit.

>>23164584
Now control f "jewish" on the Bible

>>23164612
>You failed to grasp anything in my post
Anon, I fully understand your post. It simply doesn't address the criticism that was offered while falling back on assumptions which were themselves predicted. You don't have a philosophical bedrock because Sam Harris sidesteps the actual issues pertinent to moral philosophy.
>I laid out exactly why the qualifications stay the same, I was referring to how well societies achieve that and how Liberal formulations actually needlessly deprive many of it's own citizens of the basic ability to achieve their needs and desires.
You've failed to grasp how the framework reflects liberal values. This is because you've never thought of this and are only capable of overly broad generalizations that service what you've already accepted as true. The point is that there's an implicit bias which midwits like yourself adopt in order to reverse rationalize moral development according to a superficial historicism which prefigures the value of liberal ideals in driving positive moral change. The point is that the framework you've presented, devoid of any actual philosophical foundation aside from that hidden bias towards 20th century liberalism with a dash of utilitarianism, can in fact rationalize outcomes the average person would see as morally abhorrent. The reason you can't address this criticism, and simply deny/assert, is that you're a midwit who lacks critical faculties. Midwits can internalize and repeat but not critique.
>Again, you are so locked into your own preconceptions
This is another "no you." Pure projection, anon.

>>23164790
This entire post boils down to "no you"

>>23164810
>unable to address criticism
>no you "no you"
You're a midwit, anon.

>>23155174
False because NDEs are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. And NDErs talk about God running the afterlife. Therefore God exists. Indeed, NDEs are unironically irrefutable proof that heaven really is awaiting us because (1) people see things during their NDEs when they are out of their bodies that they should not be able to under the assumption that the brain creates consciousness, and (2) anyone can have an NDE and everyone is convinced by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

So any atheist would be too, so pic related is literally irrefutable proof of life after death. As one NDEr pointed out:

>"I'm still trying to fit it in with this dream that I'm walking around in, in this world. The reality of the experience is undeniable. This world that we live in, this game that we play called life is almost a phantom in comparison to the reality of that."

If NDEs were hallucinations somehow then extreme atheists and neuroscientists who had NDEs would maintain that they were halluinations after having them. But the opposite happens as NDEs convince every skeptic when they have a really deep NDE themselves. But pseudoskeptics never actually read the literature on NDEs since they are dogmatically certain that it can not be true.

>>23155174
God needs to exist for low IQ individuals who can't think for themselves. Not everyone is capable of handling the truth.

>>23164968
>God needs to exist for low IQ individuals who can't think for themselves. Not everyone is capable of handling the truth.
Atheism is an intelligence LARP for midwits who can't even do basic calculus.

>>23155174
Fpbp brainlets seething

>>23165041
>atheists are titans of intellect
>[but expect you to be impressed they don't believe in Santa]
>atheists stand for free-thinking
>[but demand you adhere to Scientism]
>atheists are champions of reason
>[but have strong opinions about things of which they're uneducated]
>atheists are anti-dogmatic
>[but insist you interpret scripture only according to their ideas of it]
Atheism is an intelligence LARP that retards indoctrinate themselves into. Being an atheist is ridiculously easy; their main weak point is their unearned pride and if you poke at their (entirely self-perceived) intelligence they become reactive and break down. Reminder that the legacy of New Atheism is pic-related: homosexual rape/cuck furry fetish cartoons.

>>23164881
>no you "no you" no you

>>23165056
Based.

>>23165058
Thanks for proving my point. Try indoctrinating yourself with something better next time. I know you're not very bright but you can probably find a dumbed down version of whatever via YouTube.

>>23165083
Imagine having taken anything that guy said seriously instead of reflecting on your beliefs.

>>23165108
You are like a pigeon who has knocked over the pieces on a chess board, shit itself, and then crowed as if it had won.

>>23165132
https://voca.ro/1fLLejepnOLk

>>23164524
>he says after masturbating

>>23158186
You must have values prior to eugenics or you don't know what is an improvement

>>23165132
>plagiarizes meme
No you.

>>23164524
He's right though. It's in reference to mindlessly following the dictates of Leviticus instead of engaging with the sanctity of a living religion.

>>23165132
Also, pidegons don't crow. They coo you absolute retard. No wonder you're filtered by religion when all you can do is plagiarize others and mix metaphors.

>>23164917
i will personally ensure NDE poster goes to heaven

>>23155170
>published in 2010
>just
nonexistent god bless him, triggering religitards for 14 years and counting

>>23165119
Imagine taking what this guy said seriously

>>23166975
(You) don't have to.

>>23163005
>Yes, just as evolution starts with simple beginnings and slowly progresses to more complexity where more interesting phenomena can arise, the arc of morality is long and it only slowly bends towards justice.

I notice this theme A LOT with people who try to prescribe morality to a material world. Evolution does NOT have an end or arc involved. It is not trying to get more complicated. Evolution is not Pokemon, evolution is simply life finding its niche to procreate, our complexity as human creatures isn't necessary nor assured, if conditions for survival would deteriorate our intelligence to procure a benefit then neohumans would "regress" and become less complex, or even die out.
Now I know you're describing the arc of morality as seemingly separate from evolution, but your idea of morality is compromised by your misconception of evolution-as-progress.

>>23155174
Anon I have a very bad news for you...

Annoying people who self-compliment themselves out of nowhere about their intellect are actually pretty stupid

>>23166975
You will never look as sexy as Jesus.

>>23166975
>roman empire don't commit war crimes challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

why do jew worshiping christcucks try to imply that you either worship jews alongside them or else you must listen to jewish intellectuals?
Are they genuinely so mind broken by their jewish masters they are incapable of even imagining a life that isn't spent serving the jew, or are they just trying to keep people on the jewish plantation?

>>23155174
Fpbp

>>23156036
You may want to check the birthrate for religious people. Atheists have no desire to win or take the future the same way religious people do, this is also why you lose. The future belongs to those who exist, buddy. The funny thing is how the atheist of today function like their own religion, so enjoy your tranny and gay army lol.