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>The proxy war, unprecedented sanctions, and efforts to isolate Russia in the wider world contributed to the demise of liberal hegemony as opposed to its revival. Much of the world responded to the war by intensifying their transition to a Eurasian world order that rejects hegemony and liberal universalism. The economic architecture is being reorganised as the world diversifies away from excessive reliance on Western technologies, industries, transportation corridors, banks, payment systems, insurance systems, and currencies. Universalism based on Western values is replaced by civilisational distinctiveness, sovereign inequality is swapped with sovereign equality, socialising inferiors is replaced by negotiations, and the rules-based international order is discarded in favour of international law. A Westphalian world order is reasserting itself, although with Eurasian characteristics.

>The West’s defeat of Russia would restore the unipolar world order while a Russian victory would cement a multipolar one. The international system is now at its most dangerous as the prospect of compromise is absent, meaning the winner will take all. Both NATO under US direction and Russia are therefore prepared to take great risks and escalate, making nuclear wan increasingly likely.

>>23146088
It’s over for Japan.

Well it’s true that the world’s oligarchs have been on an upswing over the last 15 years, maybe longer. I think it’s probably the crushing of the Western IQ advantage (worse health and mass immigration) which is eroding the middle-class and the strength of the middle-class system of government giving rise to oligarchs to grab more and escape rules-based systems more frequently / easily.

China worships Marx & Lenin, two white Europeans.
No matter who wins in this conflict EVROPA still won.

>>23146088
This guy is a fucking retard. Western hegemony will not end until the banking system does. He stupidly believes the purpose of all these proxy conflicts is to win wars instead of looting the taxpayers because he is a dumb boomer.

>>23146088
>>Five hundred years of Western hegemony has ended
stopped reading here.
as long as petrol is still sold in dollars this statement will remain bogus
Sage'd

I will build a self-sustaining farm. If this isn't a political statement for any white man with an individuality in the West I don't know what is. It's the only way out.

>>23146095
I study at a quite prestigious institution at the moment and although listening to our indian international students wants me want to pop my ear drums.. they aren't half bad at the actual science. I'd say their education seems to be more detail oriented rather than conceptual however which does make them sound retarded at times.

>>23146131
>Western hegemony will not end until the banking system does
?? Non-western countries have their own banking systems and are increasingly transitioning to using national currencies in trade (BRICS is developing their own currency etc). The simple continued existence of the western banking system is not enough to ensure hegemony over everyone else since they have the option of pursuing other financial avenues. For example the western sanctions failed to collapse the Russian economy.

>>23146135
Yea, let’s replace your country with pajeets then. See if you like it.

>>23146088
The west is already here waiting for everyone else to catch up...

>>23146134
I mean I think it's one of those sad "well how would you like it if I just killed myself Betty?" it just feels like empty posturing from most to underline how bad they have it.

You'll grow up stop with the idealism and become a pragmatic functioning member of society eventually.

>>23146132
>as long as petrol is still sold in dollars this statement will remain bogus
Saudi Arabia now sells oil to China for Yuan and has been since last year.

>>23146088
This is BRICSnigger nonsense. When russians talk about multipolarity and sovereignty it just means "stop bullying poor old russia and let us invade and genocide whoever we want".
Where is the sovereignty of ukraine in this picture? It doesn't count, ukraine doesn't get to have sovereignty because the happy grandpa has been getting into history in his old days? That's not very westphalian is it.
I don't know how anyone can repeat stuff like this without realizing they're literally sounding like retarded pajeet streetshitters.
Anyway Henry kissingers world order is about these topics and it's not BRICSnigger cringe.

>>23146144
>muh brix bux

>>23146145
Haha so any level of nuance and your response is essentially kys faggot. You seem sane, hahaha.

>>23146150
What? I literally work in one of the most physically exhausting trades that exist. I will build a farm house and move in with my wife, not buy anything just build it inside the farm, home-school my children. This is not protest against a society that became shitty, it's preparation against the worst-case scenario.

>>23146162
Blud plenty of farmers are fat

>>23146117
Won what? The Sun sets in the west. It's over.

>>23146144
LOL pajeet

>>23146162
Sure for you it may be, but I see this so often from men that feel left out and for the most part it feels like they are just dreaming for the sake of escapism. But really I feel the type of person who'd actually shut himself off from society is a rare breed.

>yes bro the west has fallen and MIGHTY STRONG BEAR RVSSIA will take over EVROPA just two more weeks til the russian army takes <shithole village 10 miles from Donetsk> and destroys NATO completely
>based trad russia is the last bastion of white traditional family values and the final enemy of globohomo
>no im not gonna move there lol are you nuts?

>>23146166
That's because they're 20th Century farmers. Expanded their farm to the size of four 19th Century farms, because having less meant having a farm that did not create enough capital profits in order to be sustainable. I believe in individual freedom, I reject capitalism hegemony. Even if my farm is economically unprofitable it will still produce all the goods necessary in order to survive physically and mentally, and any given farm offers enough energy and space to be creative and indulge in every human activity.

>>23146157
>Where is the sovereignty of ukraine in this picture?
Only countries that have the power and resources to exercise sovereignty will truly do so in an unconstrained manner, this is a fact of life and will never change, Ukraine simply lacks this compared to Russia, this is just a simple fact and is in itself neither good nor bad.

What has changed now is that there are multiple emerging centers of sovereignty instead of the non-western powers having to rely on western financial tools/banking and western organizations like IMF/WTO/etc. Before this in the prior 'unipolar moment' the autonomy of Russia, China etc was more limited due to them having to play ball, but now they've gone off the reservation and the west cannot do anything to stop them.

>>23146179
Sir this is a thread about a book about geopolitics

>>23146177
That's just the natural white man's way of life. Having an own farm, work it on your own or with the aid of slaves, doing anything you like on your farm and debating everyone who comes to fuck with you.
Most European nations have stopped being traditionally white many centuries ago.

>>23146193
You're just confirming what I said about russian disingeniousness coping pajeet

>>23146211
Nothing I said or that the book blurb said was disingenuousness, nobody ever pretended that the Westphalian world order gave smaller countries the inalienable right to not be under the influence of giant neighbors with which they are closely linked, that's kind of a strawman.

>>23146169
Your mom sets on muh dik

>>23146095
made for BIC

>>23146193
If a country has access to Western banking, it means it's not a complete shithole, so it will attract foreign investments. If a country needs BRICScoin to circumvent sanctions, it's dysfunctional. Russia is a total mafia state - who would want to invest there? There are really no sanctions needed to deter investors. So it's very myopic to think that replacing the dollar and SWIFT will do the trick. It'll help them to evade sanctions, but it won't attract foreign money. Investors like countries that follow international laws, which Russia opposes.

>>23146158
>that reaction
yeah, I thought so

>>23146330
> so it will attract foreign investments
Are you defining “foreign” as western? Because Russian investments play a huge role in the economies of the central Asian countries, Chinese investments play a huge role in Africa, Saudi investments play a huge role in the middle east etc. Wall Street and London aren’t the only ones with money to throw around anymore.

> Russia is a total mafia state - who would want to invest there?
Many billion-dollar European and American businesses remain active in Russia and went back on their threats to withdraw. Obviously this is because they want the financial return of doing business there.

> Investors like countries that follow international laws, which Russia opposes.
It’s ironic that you would say this when western bureaucrats and bankers are warning western politicians to abandon their plans to seize Russia’s foreign reserves to give to Ukraine by warning that it will make countries around the world no longer regard the west as a safe place to invest or store their money.

>>23146095
Japan lost. Weebs lost.

>Russia, India, and China will unite!
Lol these retards will be fighting each other over some frozen shithole forever

>>23146158
pajeet detected

>>23146575
Blatantly obvious you're a pajeet. Damn I miss pre-pajeet 4chan.

>>23146841
Im American.

Imagine being so emotionally distraught over Russia that you start seething and calling everyone Indian in a Russia-related book thread.

Truly rent-free

>>23146088
how convenient "wars" only happen whenever the repo market fails

this species is so fucking stupid the planet should be mercy-killed

>>23146821
Multipolarity isn't about those countries uniting into anti-west block, it's about the emergence of multiple independent sovereign centers. A cold-war redux with BRICS vs west would just be bi-polarity and not multipolarity. This book by Diesen is not talking about a bi-polar cold war 2.0 but rather multipolarity.

>One generally distinguishes three types of systems: unipolarity, bipolarity, and multipolarity for three or more centers of power.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarity_(international_relations)

>>23146868
It's a nato shill or a bot, they never have anything to say.
https://mronline.org/2022/11/07/massive-anti-russian-bot-army-exposed-by-australian-researchers/
https://www.mintpressnews.com/memes-doxxing-unmasking-nato-information-warfare/286944/

>>23146088
>The Western world order is done for after 500 years of hegemony but not if Russia loses in Ukraine
I dunno. I suspect people will look back at these books in 30 or 40 years and see them getting some things right while being dead wrong about something important.

>>23146144
>Non-western countries have their own banking systems and are increasingly transitioning to using national currencies in trade (BRICS is developing their own currency etc).
Sure but the amount of trade in those currencies is very low and a lot of the talk around it vague. The "BRICS Bank" doesn't lend out much at all. There are really no international banks in the world right now other than American banks.

>For example the western sanctions failed to collapse the Russian economy.
Right. Well they're running wartime Keynesianism.

>>23146151
>Saudi Arabia now sells oil to China for Yuan and has been since last year.
This isn't accurate. Saudi Arabia and China worked out a deal where China would pay for some of their oil in yuan, in the amount that Saudi Arabia expects to be purchasing goods from China (and thus paying in yuan). But Saudi Arabia exports more to China than they import, so the yuan trade covers only some of their trade. The rest of Saudi Arabia's oil exports to China are still conducted in dollars, and Saudi Arabia also still prices its oil in dollars.

>>23146157
>Where is the sovereignty of ukraine in this picture? It doesn't count, ukraine doesn't get to have sovereignty because the happy grandpa has been getting into history in his old days? That's not very westphalian is it.
Russia professes multipolarity but practices great power hegemonism. I actually think multipolarity is happening but it also includes the rise of smaller and regional powers like Turkey and South Korea which are not usually factored into the BRICS or Russia fanclub narrative in particular. You see Turkey-Ukraine cooperation going on, and Turkish special forces and drones whacking Russian mercenaries in Libya a few years ago. Or a smaller power like Ukraine can use some tricks to ruin a great power like Russia's dinner. That's what "multiple emerging centers of sovereignty" really mean.

>>23146911
>A cold-war redux with BRICS vs west would just be bi-polarity
Literal baby brain understanding of cold war relations.

>>23146095
Brutal, Tokyo street filled with indian shit

>>23147046
>The "BRICS Bank"
This is never going to be a thing. The entire crux of an "international order" as an actual free flow of economic goods and services is predicated entirely on Atlanticism, and the only countries on the planet that have a vested interest in that are the UK and the US. As both become browner they'll eventually hit a point where Atlanticism is impossible, so there will be no need to posit a Eurasian counterpart to [insert Atlanticist thing here].

>>23147046
> Well they're running wartime Keynesianism.
To an extent, but they have also seen a flourishing of their own industries to make up for what they used to buy from Europe. The sanctions have been a godsend for Russian farmers for example and you can now find tons of varieties of locally produced dairy products where you used to find European imports and manufacturing is rapidly expanding. Russian weapons are also highly sought-after globally so their military spending is actually productive in a very tangible way that results in other countries wanting to spend money on those things, unlike the financialization of the economy in western countries which isnt productive at all and which relies on dubious measures like quantitative easing to keep the bubble going until it wont anymore.

>>23146088
>Five hundred years of Western hegemony has ended
Wake me up when China starts running a trade deficit with America or something strange... everything's just rhetoric for now

>>23146088
>endorsed by /ourguy/ Mearsheimer

on my list to buy