/lit/ - Literature

They are rewriting are history, boiling the pot into a totalitarian proto romulan empire they think they can "give the slip" on God with another tower of Babel before God actually melts their stupid fucking faces off for all the evil they will have done by then.

>cries about narcissistic fedora tipping by nationalistically tipping fedora

>>23134737
>nationalistically
lol. Got to love autocorrect.

>>23134603
Believing in which part? That it's good to stone non-virgin brides to death on their father's doorstep? That it's good to listen to voices in your head and prepare to slaughter your own son on their command? That it's good to chop up baby penises for the Lord? That slaves should submit to their masters and not seek freedom? Or all the hippie stuff Jesus preached at length like giving up all your possessions to be perfect? Or to take no thought for the morrow and be like the fowl of the air who have no need for barns or flowers in the field who don't need to work and just grow without effort?

Nah, the Bible is almost entirely trash. There's a reason it's morality is referred to as slave morality.

>>23134746
Oh, also turn the other cheek and carry a soldiers pack for an extra mile just to be a double cuck. It's actually laughable.

>>23134753
inb4 christoid comes to claim ACKSHUALLY it‘s about talmudic word games that a Roman soldier totally would have been humiliated by and not just kicked your jew ass!!!

>>23134746
>can’t interpret allegory or metaphor
This board is not for you, maybe a math textbook is more your speed.

>>23134784
>Bro, you're just interpreting it wrong
kek, this is why so many Christians hate each other by the way. Face it, the Bible is filled with shit stories and shit messages and it's only by cultural indoctrination that you think it's any good.

/lit/ - religion flamewars

>>23134807
the oligarchy of babylon has ruled for millenia, they rewrote your history and filled your scriptures with lies, downplaying their crimes and erasing the enslavement and genocides of your people; they have destroyed artifacts and shaped your nations, they wrote the script your world revolves around

>>23134603
they so badly want it to be fake so they can live their shallow and degenerate lives care free of guilt.

>>23134753
>>23134767
it's neither those. he was speaking to sue happy petty fucking jews. the story is to let insignificant things slide, or at least not to escalate punishments, for a better society. he's also not saying to be a fucking doormat otherwise he wouldn't chased these same people out of temples twice, once with a whip, or telling his disciples to buy swords.

If you're actually still concerned with Atheists that's a sign that you're not very far along in your spiritual development. At this point they're so aggressively boring to me that I can't even pretend to care about them. Eventually you'll get to the point where you feel that way about all evil: it's just puerile and dumb, not worth dwelling on.

>>23134810
/his/ is much worse

>>23134995
Want to tell a little about your spiritual development, anon?

>>23135018
You just pray a lot until you acquire omnibenevolence and are hopelessly obsessed with God in the same way an alcoholic is with his liquor. With God, things are always pleasingly simple. Viewing the world as complicated is the most salient token of a Satanic mind.

>>23135054
Were you raised religious?

>>23135091
I was raised in a drab Low Church Protestant background which naturally led to me lapsing for years, but I was always interested in Metaphysics and discovering the truth behind the world, and God always rewards sincere contemplation the pursuit of wisdom. I just wish I loved it more so I didn't have to wait until my mid-20s to start making progress in my life.

>>23134603
Atheists don't care, they just want to be not bothered by retarded religionfaggots like you.

>>23134603
When’s the last time you’ve seen an atheist in real life

>>23135054
>Remain simple and innocent, and you will be like little children who do not know the evil that destroys man's life.

>why do people care about the truth?

>>23134951
Larping as a schizo does not make you look cool, anone.

>>23134951
"Babylon" is not even a fucking schizo thing, you imbecile, it was just a normal ass civilization.
Im so tired of you christians using that name/civilization to refer to some schizo shit that "Babylon" was not even a part of.
So, shut up you idiot.

>>23135205
>So

>>23135208
Retard.

>>23135214
No u

>>23134603
Can’t you just jerk off to your book in peace?

>>23134981
Oh right, I forgot, he came to break families up and demand your allegiance solely to him and his cult.

>>23135018
Haha. I am master Anakin Skywalker. I am the spirit.

>>23134603
No you also are wrong, just like atheists. Christianity isnt some self help thing that fixes all your problems, Christianity is true ergo it is the correct way to live your life. Read Job

>>23134807
So what? You have a point or something?

>>23135191
>my god fearing parents are schizophrenic
Great argument anon, do you hang out in mixed company often?

>>23135552
I thought that was Plato’s thing which was co-opted by Lyndon LaRouche

>>23135552
and yet, he still came and died for you. a being outside of our dimensions of comprehension loves you so much he took form and shouldered the worst humanity could throw at him, remained pure and sinless and then allowed himself to be tortured and executed all that you could have a path to grace.

>>23136410
No, I don't need my Thetans checked for a small fee and I don't need to be a slave for some cosmic Lord. You should take your meds.

Not worshipping your rabbi m8 simple as

>>23136410
Imagine believing an all-powerful extradimensional magic man came to our world and his tricks were all things that could and have been equally "accomplished" by common scam artists both of the time and in the modern day. Shit traveling "holy men" in India still do that feed a whole crowd with a loaf of bread shit.

>>23134981
>telling his disciples to buy swords.
Lol they bought swords and when they actually need to use them Jesus tells them not to.

Jesus was such a smarmy, self-righteous, little faggot that he managed to piss off an entire city during a religious festival enough to just fucking kill him. Of course 4chan loves him. He was a /b/tard before there was a /b/.

>>23137082
If your enemies kill you the you win.

>>23135843
Yes, his point is that the Bible sucks.

>>23134603
>Athiests
kek, every single time.

As an atheist, I like how the Bible is written from the few passages I hear. It feels hopeful, authentic, and deep compared to, say, Inkheart. Many of my favorite movies draw from things like Dante's inferno.

No, we hate you because you're more insufferable faggots than Harry Potter-fags.
Everything and anything *must* tie back into your favourite book - no discussion can be complete without reference to your favourite book.
It gets old really fast.
So, I tell you as I have told all the fanfags - GO READ ANOTHER BOOK.
When you have done that, post about it here.

>>23136970
do these "holy men" come back to life after being executed? you'll say the disciples lied but it would be an inconceivable thing to lie about in that time period with their understanding of jewish doctrines; a created lie some of them would then die for. the 500 people that paul and luke interviewed probably hallucinated seeing jesus and all the historians that were born in the time period of living memory were probably misled as well. someone like erhman would say the romans wouldn't have respected jewish burial traditions, but then ignore all the other times they respected them, especially right before passover, to say jesus was never buried and was left on the cross for animals to eat. one day you all will grow up and realize that the simplest explanation for life and existence is by design, unless you are intentionally clinging to the explanation of a random cosmic occurrence just so you can maintain your degeneracy.

>>23137082
>Jews were such a smarmy, self-righteous, bunch of little faggots that they managed to piss off an entire continent during an economic recovery enough to just fucking kill them.

You came up with some solid copy/pasta. Let me think of other variations

>>23134603
There are people that want to feel superior to others and one way of doing that is telling them their beliefs are wrong and they are stupid for believing in them,

>>23135205
>hasn't read the book revelations
Poor little soul

Are there theological/exegetical monographs dedicated to each boom of the Bible respectively?

>>23139721
chrysostom is based as fuck and has plenty of homilies. same with augustine. there's an ancient christian commentary on scripture series that goes verse by verse of the bible and cites many early church fathers on the verses.

>>23140033
Thanks, bro. Really helpful response and have bookmarked these sources. Will check them out tomorrow. God bless

>>23134603
>Why are Athiests so concerned with whether or not the Bible is true, and not wether or not believing it is a good way to lead your life?
I think not caring whether your beliefs are true is a terrible way to lead your life. If you believe the Bible, believe it because you're sincerely convinced and not because you're brainwashing yourself thinking it will somehow help you.

>Is it just an exercise in narcissism? Fedora tipping atheists trying to make themselves feel smart?
For me personally? Kinda. I do like arguing against religiontards, because it's a nice break from discussing real issues that are riddled with doubt. If I'm discussing something like whether such and such law is good for the economy or even the above statement about living by the truth, I'm always worried that I might be wrong. But if I'm discussing whether everyone who doesn't love the magic Jew will burn in magic lava forever, I can just embrace my own smugness because there's no way these idiots are right, yet there's a limitless supply of them.

>>23134603
Why would you worship a cuck religion? Why venerate a god who wants you to raise your wife's son? Is that a good way to lead your life?

>>23134603
You seriously can't comprehend living a life based on truth? If your ethical system requires a lie then its a bad ethical system. Christianity fails as an ethical system for more reasons than that, but this has to be the most pathetic defence of Christianity on here yet.

>>23134603
>Why are Athiests so concerned with whether or not the Bible is true, and not wether or not believing it is a good way to lead your life?
The people most concerned with the truth of the bible are evangelicals.

>>23140617
Unfathomably based post

>>23140617
>But if I'm discussing whether everyone who doesn't love the magic Jew will burn in magic lava forever
you tell yourself hyperbolic things like this so you don't have to confront the reality of possibly being wrong. i'd bet you've never even read the gospel for yourself and probably rely on second hand skeptics for all your views on the old and new testament, and that's fine; but what do you make of life and our existence? a random cosmic occurrence where everything came from nothing? anon, the precision required for life is incredible. if the expansion and contraction of our universe was off by a single nanosecond(look up just how fast that is), life wouldn't exist. if the the force of gravity was a fraction of a percent off, life wouldn't exist. we carry 3.1 billion bits of info in our dna; all of us unique and different with even our finger prints. the way birds chirp in the morning to stimulate growth in plants, etc. you don't even need to read the bible; you could be rooted soley in science and eventually get to the point where design is the most reasonable take on all of this. and what did the "magic jew" say? no one gets to the father but through me.

>>23141598
I don't get your argument. Isn't that conclusion the same problem of making insane leaps to get to worshipping Jesus? People today are educated and need coherence. You can be a missionary on Retard Island and get tons of respect for Jesus tales. But the developed West needs to see how that justifies all the magical thinking that Christianity demands. It's very lazy to say "the universe is amazing, therefore Jesus."

read this >>23139028. we come to these conclusions based on how reasonable they are. you think it "magical" because you haven't taken the time to read just how rooted in history the "tales" are. if the universe depends on a miracle, per atheist logic citing hume, why is the miracle of resurrection such a gigantic stretch? i'd argue today, people are less educated on historic matters and appeal to authority in masse more often than not; these authorities being propped up "philosophers" like sam harris, atkins, hitchens, etc who have admitted to being in an unfalsifiable position in their beliefs. they admit they would explain away any miracle in front of them in a naturalistic manner such as hallucination, "going mad", or extra terrestrial trickery. and to your last point, it comes back to being the most reasonable explanation. if jesus is the messiah spoken of in the old testament, if he proves his divinity through miracles and resurrection, if all other religions point to him in some fashion(he's a buddha in buddhism, "christlike conciousness" in yoganandas and hindus, a prophet to islam, etc) and jesus points to himself, what are you then to believe? it's not lazy at all to come to this conclusion, as i said before.

>>23141167
>its fails as an ethical system because i say so even though it's the foundation of modern thoughts and ethics

>>23141987
For all your ostensible sophistication, this post really amounts to just another dull atheist platitude that we've all read hundreds of times over the years.
>lol I'm so smart and u so dumb
Is really all you said here.

>>23134603
To believe in something you need to think that it is true.
>Why are Athiests so concerned with whether or not the Bible is true, and not wether or not thinking it is true it is a good way to lead your life?

>>23142055
It's not sophisticated at all, ostensibly or otherwise. This is why the Church is slowly dying. Even simple concerns don't get worked through without appeals to bottom of the barrel theology.

>>23141598
>i'd bet you've never even read the gospel for yourself and probably rely on second hand skeptics for all your views on the old and new testament,
I've read the whole Bible several times, once with extensive Catholic commentary. It's very interesting to me not just as something to fedora tip about but for historical and literary reasons.

>you could be rooted soley in science and eventually get to the point where design is the most reasonable take on all of this
I don't think there's any basis for supposing that if the world was designed by a God, it would be any more likely to be the way it is. Like, saying a designer would make a universe with life would be claiming to understand the motives of something far beyond human understanding.

>>23134603
in what way has the bible worked? have you not seen the world?

>>23142720
when i cut your throat open with my rusty knife, you will surely get a final answer to your question. FAGGOT.

>>23143209
>when i cut your throat open with my rusty knife, you will surely get a final answer to your question. FAGGOT.

>>23135102
>I was always interested in Metaphysics and discovering the truth behind the world, and God always rewards sincere contemplation the pursuit of wisdom

>>23137469
Pretty sure you know all about sucking, bro.

>>23134603
Desperate coping. They want it to be fake cause if it turns out its real they're fucked.
>>23134981
>they so badly want it to be fake so they can live their shallow and degenerate lives care free of guilt.
This

>>23134603
It is a moral duty for someone to pursue truth. I'll defend my argument with the following premises:

Premise one: There exists, in all or at least most situations, a possible action which is most virtuous

Premise two: Virtuous actions exist, along with the opposite

Premise three: A greater understanding of the world, specific situation, and of what virtue is better allows someone to know the most virtuous action, and how to do it

Premise four: Most people have the mental capacity to be moral agents. That is, they are able to be judged morally and have a responsibility to act morally, which consists of acting virtuously

Premise five: Most people have the mental capacity and resources to pursue truth, or more precisely, an incomplete shadow of truth

Conclusion: People who have the capacity and resources to pursue truth have a capacity to do so, for pursuing truth makes one more capable of acting with virtue. If the claims made by the bible are not true, and one has good reason/evidence to believe the claims made in the bible are not true, then pretending those claims are true would be unvirtuous.

>>23143698
What am I guilty of exactly? You always have these schizo delusions that not believing God means you're having habitual abortions between robbing the elderly for meth money. Christianity in no way enforced moral behavior. In fact the entire premise of the religion is that we're all irredeemably evil and dependent on God's infinite love anyway. So what, you cheat on your wife and ease the guilt by going to confession? It's an empty gesture. Belief mean nothing.

>>23141598
A designer would necessarily need to be more complex himself than his creation, right? Why would you accept that the creator can come into existence without a more complex creator, but life and our universe could not have without a creator? It seems to me you just want to push your incredulity into a mysterious "creator" because you can excuse yourself from thinking any further than that. In short, it's a non-answer, a dodge, something to soothe your incredulity. It's not a serious philosophical answer in any way, shape, or form.

>>23139028
According to the Bible (Matthew 27:53), many tombs in Jerusalem opened and tons of dead people were walking around. Seems like coming back from the dead was positively common place at the time. Although, the Gospels can't even agree whether the stone was rolled away from Jesus's tomb or whether there was an angel there or guards or even exactly who discovered the tomb. But I guess that's what you can expect when nobody wrote anything down for a few decades.

>>23141598
>Be unfathomably complex deity
>Create massively complex universe with life
>Make small children develop bone cancer and die in agony, among other extreme pointless tragedies
It's amazing that people can believe this series of events and then claim the creator is "good"

>>23139028
>one day you all will grow up and realize that [a an ancient carpenter had a secret star trek replicator that he used to use to create fish]

>>23143763
shut up you materieslt athiesty worm diedide diie

>>23134603
So have we finally reached the stage of christfriend bargaining where they can't even act like they think the bible is true, and are now just saying the truth of it is secondary to the morals? Lmao.

>>23139028
>one day you all will grow up and realize that [an ancient carpenter had a secret star trek replicator that he used to create fish]

>>23140617
This, but unironically.

>>23142053
Ethics is about how to live a good life. Christianity made life worse for everyone it came to, and got worse over time. Read de Benoist.

"Someone who doesn't have good working knowledge of the Bible and biblical imagery can't understand a good deal of what goes on in most of what they read." - Northrop Frye

>>23143861
Translation: most books suck.

>>23143861
to add to this,

"The Bible is literal and it's based and true"
"The Bible is literal and it's cringe and fake"

none of you can read

>>23143842
kek

>>23143861
>"I, and I alone, truly understand the Bible"
The funniest thing about this sentiment is how much discord and bloodshed have resulted from it

>>23143861
>"People living in Eastern, non-Christian countries can't understand their own literature because they don't know about the Bible"
One of the most laughably clumsy and inaccurate generalities I've ever seen. I now understand the criticisms of Eurocentrism.

>>23143938
105 IQ Redditor's attempt of a deboonking of Northup Frye, kek. Yes, he was totally talking to Chinese people while being an English speaking professor talking to an English reading audience

>>23143942
Then have the sense to say "in this country", otherwise you are being inaccurate in your speech, a pretty glaring mistake for a professor!

>>23143942
>Redditor's
we are on a manga site albeit

>>23143945
With no context somehow I knew his audience was English speaking. Occam’s Razor — One of the most arguments ever

>>23144031
But your audience is a site founded on japanese media.

>>23139028
>it’s inconceivable for a Jew to lie for their own disadvantage
>it’s less inconceivable that a man would come back from the dead

???

>>23144042
That's 2channel, newfag. This is an American and English website.

>>23144056
This is a group of people who think that immaculate conception is more likely than that a Jewish minx would tell a lie. At a certain point they must want to be deceived.

>>23144078
Moot created the site to talk about chingchong media. Cope and sneed.

>>23135054
>With God, things are always pleasingly simple. Viewing the world as complicated is the most salient token of a Satanic mind.

>>23144120
Doesn't change the fact that the website's official language is English, lil' newfag redditor. Only /int/ is the exception. Maybe go back if that offends you.

>>23144229
I didn't say it wasn't. I was commenting on the fact that you posted that quote on a site founded on eastern, not western media.

>>23144271
Doesn't matter, you got BTFO. American English website to discuss eastern media (in 2004). 2channel is the one that uses eastern language to discuss eastern media, plebbitor. GG EZ

>>23144203
It's so glaringly retarded that there is not response to it.
That guy is literally admitting he that he forces himself to not think about things, lest Satan get him. That guy probably votes too. An intentionally uninformed voter. Scary stuff.

>>23144279
>going full headcanon where you won
Kek, concession accepted. No more (You)s from me.

>>23144203
It's so glaringly retarded that there is no response to it.
That guy is literally admitting he that he forces himself to not think about things, lest Satan get him. That guy probably votes too. An intentionally uninformed voter. Scary stuff.

>>23144287
ezpz, no re

>>23144294
>That guy probably votes too. An intentionally uninformed voter. Scary stuff.

>>23144304
argument, zir?

>>23143861
I thought it would be a really good idea to learn the Bible and take it seriously. That means understanding it on the esoteric side too. One big thing I got out of it was that Christianity is really ridiculously blasphemous and that I've been absorbing some pretty corrupt notions because of it. Just as well, it let me see where other literature was missing the mark in addressing the shape of reality.

>>23134784
ridiculous dodge

>>23144474

>>23142466
> I can just embrace my own smugness because there's no way these idiots are right, yet there's a limitless supply of them.
what is your more "reasonable" explanation then? i've outlined a few reasons for creationism being the best explanation over the alternative statistical improbabilities of abiogenesis and the trillions of years required as well as common dna ancestry because "dna is similar". science can't even nail down the constant force of gravity sir isaac newton candidly walked back. i mean, if you want to make your leap of faith with all of that, that is fine, but being smug about outs you as a midwit.

>>23143763
>an eternal being outside of space, time and matter has to fit into my finite framework of philosophical understanding

>>23143785
eye witness testimony commonly has outlier details but all agree to the bigger picture. anne frank had 7 eye witnesses that all gave varying accounts, sometimes contradictory(sitting vs standing room, bucket to piss in, etc), of simply the train ride details, but they made it to auschwitz.

>>23144056
learn to read. it is the content of the lie that wouldn't make sense in that time period. not only to create a nonsensical lie, but to then be executed for it as peter, paul and others were.

>>23143801
action or inactions of mankind explain most of this world's suffering. not all suffering is bad, either. how does one gather wisdom without problems to solve, or gain strength without overcoming difficulties? there are many articles talking about the "problem from evil" you should check out. and arguing in the context of god, you'd have to concede that those poor children suffered in this life, but joined god in his kingdom.

>>23144503
good post, but wasted on /r/atheism redditors arguing in bad faith (literally)

>>23143740
Guilty in the general term sorely speaking. You might not be guilty of much aside from disbelief or a lack of faith. The ones I'm refering to are those that claim God is not real and actually do the things you posted. Those that do and support some of things that get posted on other parts of the site if you catch my drift.
>So what, you cheat on your wife and ease the guilt by going to confession?
No those people are still guilty. Telling a priest doesn't really absolve you of cheating on you wife. I think that was added to the faith for other reasons.
>Belief mean nothing.
Faith does mean something though. :)

Don't make me tap the sign -- >>23137658 again.

>>23137658
>>23145166

>>23144503
>Statistical improbabilities
You can't say anything about the statistical likelihood of our universe because you have no idea what the parameters are. It's possible there are quadrillions of universe potentialities that exist in varying forms and thus one with the right conditions for life would become expected. You will never have the correct denominator, thus you cannot even speak to whether our universe was likely or not to exist.
>an eternal being outside of space, time and matter has to fit into my finite framework of philosophical understanding
This is you literally saying "it's magic, I don't need to explain it". Embarrassing but typical of theists.
>eye witness testimony commonly has outlier details
Pretty sure the presence of a literal angel of divine origin wouldn't be a mere detail to accept disagreement over but sure
>action or inactions of mankind explain most of this world's suffering
Absolutely not. What action of man causes bone cancer to arise in children? Or any of the other horrific diseases which arise spontaneously in children? What about the excruciating pain of infected teeth which is what scores of our ancestors suffered and died from? What about natural disasters, attacks by predators who seek to eat you alive, or any number of random events which cannot in any way be attributed to human agency? Your only real answer is to extol pain and suffering as good (thus, you must wish for children to suffer, since you claim it is a good thing) and also that some entirely fantastical reality awaits after death which makes everything okay (justifying manifest evil we know happens in reality by some imagined good which has zero basis of truth). To anyone not indoctrinated into a cult, this is beyond deranged and you are sick and twisted for accepting this kind of thinking.

Thanks for demonstrating how mentally disturbed religious people are though, it's been enlightening.

>>23145302
>Thanks for demonstrating how mentally disturbed religious people are though, it's been enlightening.
I like how writing your post got you so worked up that you spilled your autismal spaghetti at the end., despite trying to contain it for a decent while. Thanks for playing

>>23145310
>Literally no response
kek

>>23145339
thankth for demonthrating how menthally disthurbed religioth people are though, the fag lisped

>>23145346
Keep worshiping a dead Jew lol

>>23145348
>my side chad, your side soijak
Most intellectually creative atheist

>>23145356
It's all ogre

>this thing improves my life
>no you're an idiot for thinking that, look at how much smarter I am than you

>>23145359
Nothing personnel kid.

>>23145364
*teleports behind you*

>>23145366
Ah, you're one of those paranoid schizophrenic autists who will not stop responding out of mania. You aren't European so I'm guessing Ameritard disabled trash.

>>23145173
>christ-fags can't meme, news at 11!
Again. >>23137658

>>23145369
Ah, you're one of those paranoid schizophrenic autists who will not stop responding out of mania.
As you continue to respond kek. I see my memes have you rattled though, very amusing lol

>>23145374
No, I just recognize your type of extremely boring autist who keeps replying with boring ahh common soijaks without saying anything due to low IQ.

>>23145377
lol you are just too much. You replied to my post where I absolutely refuted the points made earlier in the thread and you posted a cringe meme and dismissed my post. Then you claim I have nothing to say when I posted (superior) memes in response. It's okay though, I can run you out of the thread you disingenuous little hypocrite.

>>23145372
>news at 11!
reddit or underage

>>23145386
>Then you claim I have nothing to say when I posted (superior) memes in response
>I can run you out of the thread
Yep, I read you like a book kek. EZ. Definitely a disabled Ameritard NEET with no job. And yea, your soijaks would have been cutting edge in 2021 lil guy

>>23145390
Wrong on all counts. Also, you sound like an underage zoomer with the "EZ" bullshit, does your mom know you go on 4chan?

>>23145393
You are a disabled American. You are clearly not Euro. Does Mommy make your food still or does Ameritard disability cover that?

>>23145398
>"No u"
kek, you're shook

>>23145400
Yes, that would be quite true if you had accused me of being an Ameritard disabled NEET at first. Low IQ disabled Ameritard confirmed.

>>23145402
I don't need to accuse you of being retarded, your posts demonstrate that

>>23145405
Thanks for your concession kek. That was ez

>>23145408
You're agreeing with my assessment that your posts demonstrate that you are retarded? kek okay

>>23145411
Yea big guy. How does that make you feel? You're in good company, I don't want your American NEET ass to feel alone in the morning hours

>>23145415
No NEETbux for me, I actually have to work in the morning and contribute to society. I'm sure you're safe down in mom's basement though.

>>23145417
>I actually have to work in the morning and contribute to society
Anon, don't lie. It's already morning in America and you are not sleeping. You are NEET. be proud! I support you.

Again, the lot of you can piss off to read something, anything and then - and only then - come back.
>>23137658

>>23145302
>thus you cannot even speak to whether our universe was likely or not to exist.
>This is you literally saying "it's magic, I don't need to explain it". Embarrassing but typical of theists

>>23139028
>>23141598
>>23142046

these are my other posts and i'm not sure if you're the anon i was responding to, but go ahead and give me your explanation than, as i asked. otherwise, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of and saying "we can't explain things, it just is". that is fine and all, but you're making the same leap of faith, just in the other direction, while being "smug" about it.

>Pretty sure the presence of a literal angel of divine origin wouldn't be a mere detail to accept disagreement over but sure
omission of a detail isn't guilt. i go to the grocery store and john and his family are there. i return home and tell my wife i ran into john at the store. it does not mean his wife and kids weren't there as well. the gospels compliment each other often in these ways. matthew says "an angel said", john said two where there. this isn't an irreconcilable contradiction. mark was a scribe of peter and luke gathered information from eyewitnesses 15-20 years later. i could go on and on refuting many of bart ehrman's points of contention here but you get the idea i hope.

>Absolutely not. What action of man causes bone cancer to arise in children?
many of these diseases and ailments started popping up following the agricultural revolution if anthropology studies are to be trusted. that would indicate some involvement in mankind's work. not to mention the modern makeup of our food, microplastics in water, adjuvants in our vaccines and long term affects of medications. i seemed to have hit a nerve here, but the world is cruel and unfair, anon, and i maintain most of it is due to the actions or inactions(people starving, for instance) of mankind; the random unexplainable earthquake or flood doesn't change that. what is your explanation and what do you believe since your entire post offers nothing of the sort and is just attempting to shoot down my points; a murder scene detective that has no theories of his own, but just exists to poke holes in the others' work. if you like to believe mankind as a cosmic accident, a cancer to this planet, that is surely your right to; it just doesn't seem like a very positive and healthy way to live, arbitrarily assigning meaning and values to things and sorting out moral relativism.

> it's been enlightening.
doubtful.

>>23145388
that's an ancient meme tho

>>23134603
I love you dumbasses who think you're the first to conclude that religion is useful. Yeah, it's still not true, and mot Christians do think it's true, unlike you.

>>23134603
oh, it works? you aren't some freak of nature sinner like every other bible thumper?

>>23145535
>these are my other posts and i'm not sure if you're the anon i was responding to, but go ahead and give me your explanation than, as i asked. otherwise, you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of and saying "we can't explain things, it just is". that is fine and all, but you're making the same leap of faith, just in the other direction, while being "smug" about it.
If we don't have good evidence for an answer, the honest thing is to acknowledge we don't know, not to invent an answer and claim it's true. This is what children do and is unbecoming of an adult.
>many of these diseases and ailments started popping up following the agricultural revolution
You are laughably uninformed. I see you skimmed by the concept of infected teeth without a second thought. This is a particularly painful way to die as the infection goes from the tooth socket into the brain. But I'm sure you'll find a way to blame this on the actions of man. Also, a detective that points out the flaws in his colleagues theories would be highly valuable if he averts the accusation of an innocent man, but you can't even seem to grasp this very simple and basic concept. Again, the beginning of wisdom is to acknowledge the things you do not know, and I see you are a long way from wisdom. You would rather arrest and imprison an innocent man because "hey, we need to accuse someone regardless of having no evidence!"

>>23134603
>i don't believe it but i agree with it
that's just atheism with extra steps, and it's been tried, especially in a number of mainline Protestant denominations, all of which are declining vs the more faith-based and charismatic ones

Still, consider the following:
>>23137658

>>23146400
i outlined evidence for a reasonable explanation. you are on an anonymous message board refusing to answer a question. you absolutely have a belief but are too much of a pussy about it to have a discussion.
>heh these retards can't possibly be right
>insert hyperbole and name calling and deflect to something else like teeth and let that be the crux of god can't exist
committing to something means you could be wrong or be taught a lesson and your pride can't handle that so you just sit on the sidelines casting stones like a fucking loser.
>You would rather arrest and imprison an innocent man because "hey, we need to accuse someone regardless of having no evidence!"
i'm not playing your games, coward. tell me how life and this world is a better place not following god's word and the moral laws derived from it.

>dude it's all just metaphor (except the resurrection that part totally happened for realsies) it doesn't matter if it's true or not stop disproving it
>it is the basis for objective morality though and god will send you to hell if you don't believe in it lol

>>23147215
>I'd rather commit to the wrong answer than be uncommitted and acknowledge that I actually don't know
Yes, this is why you are a retard. YOU brought up the detective analogy and now you are literally arguing it's better to lock up an innocent person since "you have to convict someone for this crime! Just pick someone and forget about how weak the evidence is". Everyone in this thread can see how hilariously dense you are, so by all means continue for the general amusement for all.
>i'm not playing your games, coward
See >>23145535
>your entire post offers nothing of the sort and is just attempting to shoot down my points; a murder scene detective that has no theories of his own, but just exists to poke holes in the others' work
YOU brought up the detective thing, and now that you realize it proves my point you have to abandon it. You are genuinely too stupid to engage in conversation, you should listen more and post less, but you'll probably ignore this advice and continue spewing your idiocy all over this thread, so I'll just continue mocking you.

>>23147215
>committing to something means you could be wrong or be taught a lesson and your pride can't handle that
tremendously narcissistic of you to commit to something that cannot be proven and then jeer at people for questioning you

>>23147314
straw man false equivalency and i'm not participating in it. answer the fucking question. you keep skirting around offering anything towards a discussion.
>>23147466
none of this can be proven, anon. read the thread. i framed it many times as the most reasonable explanation and the anon engaging lacks a spine to suggest anything else but name calling and slimey debate tactics. read their posts. it's complete deflection every time.

>>23147608
>the most reasonable explanation
Is that we don't know.

>>23147608
>the most reasonable explanation
yeah being an immortal sorceror is totally a reasonable explanation; we would have to treat all religions' literature this charitably but presumably you are too spineless to honor all the gods

>>23147608
>you keep skirting around offering anything towards a discussion.
Kek, still unwilling to admit that you brought up the detective thing because it immediately proved you wrong, huh? It's hilarious that you say you won't play my games when it's YOUR game that you started, dunked on yourself so hard that you utterly embarrassed and obliterated your own position, and then are trying to quietly put it away as if it didn't happen. Laughable in the extreme, anon. But keep up with your "m-muh straw man false equivalency". Kek, if it's a strawman, you literally constructed it yourself when you thought it suited your argument until you realized your own mistake and are trying to disown it now. Take the L, learn from it, and try not to be so unfathomably stupid next time.

>>23148332
>tfw you still haven't answered the question
add more keks. it's over. Or lie about having a job like you did above (LMAO)

>>23148336
I have a job, it's called detective, or do you want to keep ignoring that because of what a fool you made of yourself?

>>23148348
>didn't even add multiple superfluous keks
How are you supposed to imply your smugness and totally above-it-all attitude? No wonder you are a jobless liar. (kek.)

>>23148350
Ohh, right, you're a theist, you're so used to looking like a fool and openly dunking on yourself you have no shame. Keep going though, it's hilarious. KEK.

>>23148356
>you're so used to looking like a fool and openly dunking on yourself you have no shame
ESL or Retard word salad. Call it.

>>23148359
You have no leg to stand on with your conduct so far in this thread. Address whether you would rather convict an innocent man or convict no one for a murder.

>>23148379
>Address whether
Where are your manners, ESL/Retard? I will, if you say please :)

>>23148384
I actually don't care what your feeble rationale is, it's obvious to everyone you are out of your depth.

>>23148387
>tfw saying please is too hard for the ESL/Retard
Your mother failed you.

>>23148390
Your mother clearly never taught you to own your mistakes. But maybe that was a mercy, since otherwise you'd just spend all your time owning mistakes.

>>23148418
>that was a mercy
Please do the needful and give a mercy, sir.

>>23148424
kek, you don't actually understand English, do you? Are you just projecting the whole ESL thing? You are actually incredibly insecure because you, yourself, do not actually know English very well?

>>23148435
Sir, you must give a mercy to me.

>>23148440
Allow me to educate you, you little ESL nigger. "A mercy" is correct English.

>>23148450
Sir, please do not be upset. You MUST give a mercy.

>>23148459
Do a mercy to us all and cease living at your earliest convenience.

>>23148464
Sir, you are very upset but you must give the mercy to me at your first convenience.

How long do you wait for a date before you admit that she's never coming?
I assume Christians just set up camp in the Bar and live there until they die of old age. God has been "no contact" for how long now?

>>23148466
SIR, DO NOT REDEEM! DO NOT REDEEM THE CODE! NOOOOOO!

>>23148470
(Samuel Beckett)

>>23148470
Bro, just another thousand years, I'm sure of it this time.

Again, note this --> >>23137658

Are you really unable to be a good person without accepting outright falsehoods?

>>23149638
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>23137050
I can't tell if you're baiting or not but I'll bite. Jesus knew he had to die and let himself be taken by the soldiers, if the apostles stopped his execution then Jesus's whole thing would've been pointless. At least read a bit before you sperg out

>>23134603
The Bible bears several revelations to man, from God, and then a revelation in the form of a man who IS God. It's a pretty useless book if none of it is true. Also:

>KJK

More like a political document than actual scripture. ISV is what English speakers should be reading.

>>23137082
>entire city
Show foreskin, rabbi. Why don't you stop being a slimy cuck and actually name the jews? Romans could not give a single fuck about Jesus, it was only the jews that got so buttblasted about being called out that they wanted to kill Jesus.

test test test

>>23145372
>news at 11!
Go back

>>23149645
nigger

>>23149645
kill ys

>>23134603
Because our time is limited, we intend on leading a life which would leave us satisfied and content before we eventually perish

>>23136410
>rational arguments fails
>resorts to emotional blackmailing
neeh get the fuck out of here nigga hahaa

>>23149917
>ugh mom how dare you tell me you love me! that's emotional blackmail fuck you!!!!

>>23149943
false equivalence
for one, my mom definitely exists and is not professing her love for me exclusively through intermediaries

>>23149943
Personally, my mom never says "I love you, but if you forsake me I'll torture you for eternity". You must have had a majorly messed up childhood my man, my mom wanted the best for me even if it's different from what she imagined for me.

>>23149961
>>23149963
>taking a shitpost seriously
Autism.

>>23149980
>backpedaling
ok chump

>>23150021
peter pooper?

>>23149980
>"I love you my child"
>"Also, if you don't dedicate your life to me, I will burn you in a lake of fire for all eternity"
>"But I love you"
Christians literally believe this. Though, technically, this should amount to a shitpost, a billion people unironically believe it. That's the point.

>>23151007
Yeah if you're a bad person you should be punished. This scares you, doesn't it

>>23151015

>>23151036
(quivering in xir boots)

>>23151015
Infinite punishment for a finite crime is lunacy, anon. Just admit you are a sadomasochist.

>>23151015
>if you're a bad person
So, like, if my creator failed in making a good person, you mean?

>>23151082
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

>>23134746
Christians don't follow the laws of the old testament. Those laws are ceremonial only and were abolished after Christ came. You shouldn't make criticisms of stuff you didn't put basic effort into understanding.

>>23151092
>>23151082

>>23151143
>>23151092

>>23151154
>>23151143
times infinity

>>23151138
Christians don't follow the laws because gentiles don't follow them, except circumcisions that they get tricked into.

>>23151300
>>23151092

>>23151526
>>23151300
times infinity plus 1

>>23151701
(Guy who can't do the time)

>>23151092
>If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
Have you even read the Bible? "The Crime" was done by Adam and Eve and we get inherited guilt. It's not even doing the crime, it's more like "How dare you come into existence! Now there's no escape for you except as a slave or a torture victim!". It's an utterly deranged set of ideas.

>>23151986
>t.

>>23151991
>Can't engage in the slightest
Cringe

>>23152064
Lighten up :)

>>23152068
>Lighten up :)

>>23152084
>autist who can't detect tones
I'm positively steaming at you taking spongebob memes seriously, yes.

>>23152092
>I'm positively steaming at you taking spongebob memes seriously, yes.

>>23152096
Indeed.

I've seen this >>23152084/>>23152096 guy before. He goes into atheism threads and starts posting the same meme over and over when he's BTFO. He used to be obese and he lacks the self-awareness to recognize he's still fat (i.e. he posts pictures of himself when you point out the correlation between fedora tipping and weight).

>>23152141
kek, NTA, try again. It's interesting how quickly you demonstrate your own insecurity though. Also, the association between "fedora tipping" and atheism originated in America, where basically everyone is obese. In normal countries, atheism is the norm, and only freaks are obese.

>>23134603

If we do not first know what is true, how can we reliably know what is moral?

Go straight to explanation. Do not post arguments. Do not get (You)s. --> >>23137658

>>23152370
Schizophrenia and reddit. Off-topic, also.

>>23152401
But enough about you.
Again: >>23137658

>>23152454
Off-topic, again.

>>23152454
>>23137658
Just read some scripture and then Max Lawton's translation of Sorokin. Does this infuriate u?

>>23137658
>>23152454
Just read some scripture and then Max Lawton's translation of Sorokin. Does this infuriate u?

>>23134603
What use is in the Bible, that you cannot find in better books?
Is my question to your question.

>>23134746
>conquer the entire world
>slave morality

>>23152706
>conquer the entire world
>slave morality
Yet, everytime atheists point to the pain those conquests did, you all say "But that was not real christianity, Jesus would have never done that".
You are all hypocrites and use arguments when is convenient.
Like you did here, you would have rejected this argument in another context, yet you used here, you hypocrite.

>>23143938
Lmao, Europeans are Gods compared to the lesser races. Eurocentrism is pure cope, it's just browns seething at their betters.

>>23152729
Yeah, but you don't need the bible for that, you retard.

>>23152502

>>23134603
Because Mormons do it better than Catholics or Christians, and their book is just absurd.

>>23134746
>>23134753
>slave morality.
Derp. Go read the Gospel. The first book is Mark

------Ch 1---------

The Preaching of John the Baptist and The Baptism of Jesus.
John the Baptist says of Jesus "I am not worthy to stoop and loosen the thongs of his sandals. I have baptized you with water; he will baptize you with the holy Spirit.”
>slave morality would be Jesus teling John the Bapstist: oh no, you are my master, I am your slave, I am preaching a slave morality here
We are also told a few lines later that John the Baptist was arrested. If John the Baptist was following slave morality, he never would have been arrested

The Temptation of Jesus.
Jesus is tempted by Satan for 40 days
>slave morality would be Jesus telling Satan, oh no problem, you are a my master, I will do what you want, I am preaching a slave morality here

The Call of the First Disciples
Jesus said to them, “Come after me, and I will make you fishers of men.”
>slave morality isn't going around asking people to follow you

The Cure of a Demoniac
In the synagogue was a man with an unclean spirit; he cried out, “What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!” Jesus rebuked him and said, “Quiet! Come out of him!
>slave morality would be Jesus saying, oh no, live and let live! I am preaching a slave morality here

The Cure of Simon’s Mother-in-Law, The Cleansing of a Leper, and Other Healings
He cured many who were sick with various diseases, and he drove out many demons, not permitting them to speak because they knew him...he went into their synagogues, preaching and driving out demons throughout the whole of Galilee.
>slave morality would be Jesus saying, oh no don't try to fight disease and demons, they are all good, I am preaching a slave morality here

>>23153158
>>23134746
>>23134753

------Ch 2---------

The Healing of a Paralytic
Jesus ssaid to the paralytic, “Child, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there asking themselves, “Why does this man speak that way?* He is blaspheming. Who but God alone can forgive sins?” Jesus immediately knew in his mind what they were thinking to themselves, so he said, “Why are you thinking such things in your hearts?
>slave morality would be Jesus telling the religious authorities: Yes Sir, you're right, I'm sorry. But the whole Gospel is the opposite of this. If you love literature about someone going around and sticking it to the religious establishment and religious leaders and their laws, you'll love the Gospel. Slave morality would be the opposite: Jesus going around in obedience to all the religious authorities, treating them as the master and respecting all their laws

The Call of Levi
He said to him, “Follow me.”
slave morality isn't asking people to follow you
Some scribes who were Pharisees saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors and said to his disciples, “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?
>Jesus again rebukes the religious establishment and the relgious leaders, the whole Gospel is him doing this. Opposite of slave morality

The Question About Fasting
“Why do the disciples of John and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?”
Jesus rebukes the laws of the religious establishment. Opposite of slave morality

The Disciples and the Sabbath
As he was passing through a field of grain on the sabbath, his disciples began to make a path while picking the heads of grain. At this the Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the sabbath?”
>Jesus again rebukes the religious establisment and their laws

We are only two chapters in to the first and shortest book of the Gospel, all the Gospels go on like this.

Later in the Gospel (Mark 6, Matthew 10; Luke 6 and 9) Jesus endows his disciples with authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction and sends them out to go do the same thing Jesus was doing ("proclaim the kingdom of God"). He told them "And if any place will not receive you and they will not listen to you, when you leave, shake off the dust that is on your feet as a testimony against them.”

Later, he tells them he's going to send them the Holy Spirit (which happens on Pentecost), and we all have the Holy Spirit, which is God, we all have the same prophetic, priestly, and kingly calling that Jesus had
>opposite of slave morality

If Christians were taught slave morality you wouldn't have all these martyrs throughout history

>>23134767
a Roman soldier would be slave morality. That's probably why there are no Roman soldiers that people look at with respect. Googling it, the most famous Roman soldier was Spurius Ligustinus. Has anyone ever heard of him?

As for the Roman Empire, there were many Roman emperors who tried to eradicate Christianity. If the Roman Empire was so alpha, why did they fail so badly at wiping out Christianity?

The Christians spread from Jerusalem and started Christian communities throughout the Roman Empire, and it only took until 300 AD for the Roman Empire to make Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire

>>23153158
>>23153165
>If Christians were taught slave morality you wouldn't have all these martyrs throughout history
Baiting powerful people into executing you because you believe they will be punished when they die while you will be rewarded (something completely made-up by diseased minds denying the reality of life) is the fulfillment of slave morality, not a repudiation of it. Refusing to comply with lip service to civil authorities because it is apparently better to die—there are cancer victims with more will to live. I am curious what your working definition is of slave morality. Are you even following Niezsche's technical vocabulary (which would be necessary to critique it) or are you thinking "slave means this, and morality means that, so, like, ummm Christianity can't be slave morality"? From the earlier examples it is painfully obvious that christer apologists are not sending their best.

>>23152820
I see you're not well-read enough to discuss Sorokin or Max Lawton. Sad! And I thought you were a scholar.

>>23152280
>no you
Ah, the constant refrain of the fedora tipper. Anyway, he obesity problem in the US is largely due to the influx of Hispanics. Also, I forget the exact number but something like 70% of black women classify as obese.

>>23154310
Hispanics and blacks are overwhelmingly Christian, meaning the stereotype of the obese Christian would be more apt

>>23134603
Atheists are fags
No further explanation necessary

>>23155020
Southern US Christianity scares the absolute shit out of me. It's seemingly deranged. The songs are beautiful tho

>>23153252
>As for the Roman Empire, there were many Roman emperors who tried to eradicate Christianity. If the Roman Empire was so alpha, why did they fail so badly at wiping out Christianity?
Realistically it couldn't happen because the emphasis of Christianity was on belief. That means they could still look like they're not doing any wacky rituals while practicing. That's very much in contrast to other religions which would be more clearly in conflict with the state. Also consider theres only so much that can be done without having problems in the empire.

>>23134603
The Bible is full of lies, the worst of them being atheism (denial of the gods).
Christianity needs to go, and take its offspring of Satanism and Atheism with it.

>>23155092
There is no higher Truth than what was spoken by Christ.

>>23155097
Ah, but can you trust the canonical gospels to convey his words reliably and without censorship? Keep in mind who handed these books down to you (i.e. the Catholic Church).

>>23153252
Because death-cultist who'd rather die than behave as civilized men can only ever be genocided, not coverted.
Besides, some of your saints are Roman soldiers; you're literally worshipping Roman soldiers.
And if christians wouldn't have existed, the eastern mystery religion for choice for Rome would probaply have been Mithraism.
Because, let's not kid ourselves: the emperor who selected the eastern mystery religion did so for reasons popularity and control of masses.

Now as for >>23152502
Please, discuss Telluria instead of this trash fire.

And as per tradition:
---> >>23137658 <---

P.s. You probaply can guess the spice of this thread.

>23155615
That's not how threads work, redditor.

>23155619
Yes, saying it will defenetly make it true: have you considered career as a mad street preacher?
Still, see>>23137658

>defenetly