/lit/ - Literature

>>23142876
I prefer to read Literature, not failed Angloid scientists.

do you have any substantive or original thoughts on any philosophical questions, or do you just enjoy being a faggot on /lit/?

Are you either a mathematician or scientist? Because I am not, I am however a master of mechanical engineering. As for your critique of philosophers who do not possess mastery of mathematics... This is why I have a hard time believing you are either of these things because if you were you'd realize that the mathematics that are applicable to philosophy is very basic in the academic world. As for applying them in philosophy, I think still that you can think in a manner that mathematics may be able to represent without actually understanding the mathematics. Sets and logic really isn't that complicated. I mean for me difficulty starts at partial differential functions, everything before is pretty easy. I guess geometry can get quite difficult as well but where is its utility?

>>23142883
The latter obviously. These threads have been going on for weeks now lmao

>>23142883
No I'm just telling you facts because I am tired of this board being shitted up by "literally me" philosophers.

>>23142876
You think muh STEM shit is more objective & epistemologically pure than other disciplines, do you?

>>23142895

>muh engineering degree
>muh utility
Big pseud energy in this post.

>>23142923
Takes one to know one I suppose.

>>23142916
No of course not, but it's far easier to work through logic to prove it correct or (in rare cases) disprove it than it is to disprove a philosopher.
Hegel can just invent metaphysical gobbledygook and get away with it because there's no way to prove him wrong.

>>23142944
Well this is why philosophy really ought to be divided into two camps. There's science and then there's art. Hegel is able to invent shit if you just view philosophy as a vehicle for thought where you engage actively with it and not just take his word for it. Which is a bit of a weak take I guess, but I do not really see why bad philosophy should be thrown out, it serves as grounds for developing boundaries to shitty thoughts.

>>23142895
Engineers don't learn real math, they just learn to calculate. I can tell you're a retarded subhuman with nothing of value to contribute on any subject. Don't ever post again.

>>23142993
Engineers contribute more to the world than ANALytic fags, though.

>>23142993
Sounds like NEET salt

>>23142876
>Meanwhile, you also have someone like Schopenhauer who never cracked open a math book

You don't know what you are talking about. Schopenhauer spends multiple chapters discussing Euclidian geometry in World as Will and Representation and was well versed in the sciences. He decided to focus on philosophy because of the limits of the scientific method. Complete Retard.

>>23142876
It doesn't matter what you think

>>23142993
To respond to your points, you are right in the sense that I am not a mathematician. But to reduce engineers to calculators is elitist bullshit man. Engineers apply the shit that scientists are able to accomplish at small laboratory scale with very controlled conditions. Engineers take this to grand scales with variable conditions and make it work. It's applied science sure and sure the skill set needed is different but you engage with optimizing systems all day. To think that there is no utility in this just.. fuck man you are an actual, capital letter R

>>23143010
Underaged philosophy memez kiddie for sure. What an embarrassing post.

>>23142876
Shitty bait. Husserl's PhD was in mathematics.

>muh falsifiability
This is a Richard Dawkins tier retarded take. You can’t ground your insistence on mathematics and logic in anything.

>>23142876
>Reminder that if a philosopher is a cuck and is still trying to teach you how to live and how to die, their opinion can go directly into the trash.

>>23142876
>Quine
Remember this guy next time someone pulls pic related. You don't believe in mathematical realism? Sorry, we're out of physics, engineering and software.

>>23142876
>plumbing
If only. Plato studied drama.

>>23142876
Analytic "philosophy" is to simply accept uncritically all the moral assumptions of liberalism, whiggism, leftism etc. and then proceed to mess about with sequences of scribbles.

>>23144184
>sequences of scribbles
How's your superior non-math job treating you? Do the customers at Starbucks treat you well?

>>23144249
he's a right wing neet who fancies himself an aristocrat of the soul revolting against modernity because he has a roman bust profile pic and retweets BAP.

>>23144067
What if ones complaint is that none of those fruits of mathematical realism alter the fundamental human condition or the lifecycle of civilizations, & actually just exacerbate & overcomplicate it in many ways?

>>23142876
I only take philosophers who do real stuff serious, Popper knew math to the level of being able to do partial differential equations for quantum physics and was also a carpenter. Curios that people say that analytics are the ones that are disconnected or "autistic" in 4chan language when this guys where even artisans. Fucking evola and guenon are the rats who never lived a day of real life.

>>23144261
You're free to stop using those fruits, such as the internet connection you're using now.
Also if you don't think the complex plane is worth pursuing you'd best give up anything that requires electrical phase time calculations, so no alternating current for you.

>>23142876
>Husserl
Husserl was a mathematician. Also, Husserl was the only book Bertrand Russell took with him to prison.


With love, you don't know what you're talking about, and this isn't a useful or honest approach to philosophy. These grand, all-encompassing conclusions are a self gratifying activity.

Also
>So yeah, philosophy is mostly garbage, but if you have to read it, read the analytics.
Rude! What are you getting out of this negativity? You can do better. Have some grace

>>23143587
correct, but is it that hard to simply call him a mathematician?
>UHH, HE HAS A PhD HE'S SMART!
fucking bugman. so it's as easy as having a piece of paper to impress a midwit.

>>23144067
>>23144514
>complex plane for phase calculations
So we can use some mathematical structure to model reality, that's good. That doesn't mean knowing some mathematical fact tells us anything a priori about the universe. Newton's laws, a perfectly valid model, states that speed is unbounded, is that true? Calculus was used for centuries before it was ever rigorously defined. Math is just a useful tool for the sciences/engineers, that's it.

>>23142876
Russell has the most boring, inoffensive, sterile and basic views on life out of any big-name intellectual I can think of from a century ago. Literally just a dumb fucking libshit coward who was good at math. Utterly worthless unless you’re into mathematics, just like Wittgenstein said of him.

>>23144636
Please go ahead and use an alternative model that you think is closer to objective reality than math.

>>23144684
Physicists are already doing that with the path integral, actually I've heard plenty of things in quantum mechanics are just handwavey abstractions. Most people don't care about rigorously proving things from a set of axioms, they just want to predict what's going to happen in the future

>>23144702
>path integral
Uses math.

>>23144718
>integrates noncontinuous functions
No it doesn't lmao

>>23142876
awesome thread.
but I get this feeling from philosophers that are mathematicians/scientists, that they are very eager and anxious to arrive at their presupposed scientific conclusions, rather than the actual "truth".
Husserl is kind of like this, even though he invented the most honest philosophical method.
Analytics are especially like this, in a very bad way.

>>23142876
Nonsense. Not every philosophical problem needs to involve the sciences directly through the philosopher himself, nor could it. Pseudery.

>>23144563
>>UHH, HE HAS A PhD HE'S SMART!
Poor little retard fighting phantoms in your head. Sad.

>>23144650
>twitter faggot thinks philosophy is about having the most BASED AND TRAD REDPILLED views possible

This board is made of eternal undergrads traumatized by their first Logic course and proofs class

>>23144718
Oh god you've never taken a math course outside of required general credits for dunderheads.
>physics is math

>>23142876
must suck to be a midwit your whole life and not have any self-awareness at all about it OP.

>>23142944
Hegel is a charlatan who only fools retards and midwits all actual philosophers hate him and his retarded school of emotionally performative gobbledygook.

>>23144184
correct numbers can be moved around on paper to tell any story the assembler desires you fucking idiots. If you ever saw how your lofty professors actually conduct their experiments you would understand how subjective and retarded half of them are. All scientific progress is accomplished by relatively few geniuses just like everything else. Have a degree just means ur a good boy who can follow directions not that you are some genius capable of independent critical thought. The greatest philosophy comes from those typically rejected and despised by the systems they are seeking to alter not some faggot from his ivory tower at university who lives off the current ruling class.

>>23142876
the virgin
>15,000 words on the meaning of "the"
vs the chad
>bro, it's the geist, the world-spirit, even if you contradict me it's all part of my plan

>>23144067
most software people i know are social constructivists and use logic pragmatically

>>23144184
Wow, how does your extra chromosome feel?

>>23144249
>not just being a criminal

>>23147568
NTA but it’s the same feeling I get when muh penis goes into yer mum

>>23142876
Filtered beyond fucking belief.

>>23142876
LIVE divine light reaction

>>23142944
Hegel didn't invent anything, he reformulated the jargon of his day into a historical calculus as opposed to someone like Kant who analyzed how to do philosophy by showing the weaknesses of both empiricism and rationalism and continuing in aristotle's tradition.

>>23142876
Wittgenstein does not belong in your camp.
He made every analytician a fool and was embarrassed by his anglo-brained followers.

>>23144721
That is math retard, have you never heard of discrete math?

>>23143010
Love this webm lol.

>>23142876
>>The analytics looked at philosophical problems in such a profound way as to make all philosophers' ideas that came before them look hilariously childish. Russell, Wittgenstein, Carnap, Quine, etc
so all products of the bourgeois revolutions who spend their lives in the bourgeois academia saying the bourgeois society is the best ever?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>23142876

>>23148908
Your favorite leftist academics were, surprise, bourgeois as well. So what's the matter?

It's always fascinating to see il/liter/ates make these threads. Still haven't recovered from that one time /sci/ destroyed your pseudo-intellectualism pertaining to science and math, have you? Haven't seen you guys make a thread on /sci/ ever again. Lost your courage?

>>23144184
Russell yes but that’s not analytic philosophy even if he pretended it was