/lit/ - Literature

>>23138882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPEyTl_gRWs

>>23138882
>don't care about metaphysics or spirituality
>die

>care about metaphysics and spirituality
>transcend the illusion of people 'living' and 'dying'
what's the big problem?

>>23138895
So, fear is the reason why antiquated notions remain relevant?

>>23138882
I know God.

It's the God of the Bible (KJV, for the English-speaking people -- otherwise bibles based on the traditional text [a.k.a. textus receptus or majority text] for other languages). God promised to preserve His words, and you either believe the Bible and are a bible-believer or you're a bible-correcter. And God made Jesus both Christ and Lord (Acts 2:36).

And you too can know God, but you don't take God's promises seriously or take him up on his offers. Atheists will demand evidence for God, but never seriously look for him with humility (God resists the proud), they're just proud and wicked fools.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Seeking-God/

>John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Everyone else is objectively wrong, and I am objectively right.

Not of my own merit or my own doings, I simply found the truth after searching for years. Most people mock and scoff because they love to sin too much, they don't want to repent, they don't want to submit to God, they prefer a false gospel where they can live in sin or a state religion like evolution which is believed entirely on blind faith which explains existence without a Creator to whom we're held accountable, or a false religion based on their own self-righteousness such as Catholicism or Islam or Christ-rejecting Pharisee Talmudism (inappropriately called "Judaism").

>>23138898
Do you believe the state-funded religion of evolutionism? That your ancestor are monkeys and fish that came from soup that came from a rock that came from nothing? That's on par with believing the entire world is on the back of a giant turtle. It's the most foolish man-made superstition ever conceived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgCGe2pYirI

>>23138917
>That your ancestor are monkeys and fish that came from soup that came from a rock that came from nothing?
Before you argue against evolution, you should really read up on it first. This description is so off-base that you appear as a clown. Not that anything else you wrote suggested otherwise.

>>23138898
>fear
If your PC was making "BRRRRRRRRRRRR" noises and freezing all the time while you just wanted to watch animay, would it be superior to
>A: Get it fixed
>B: Let it break and watch inferior quality anime
same thing with death. Once you solve the 'delusion' of death, you can live without fear of ignorance instead of living in uncertainty for the sake of 'committing to a philosophy to look cool'.
The only way to deny this is to absurdly claim that no two actions are of differing value in which case you've nothing to argue for or against in the first place.

Because your overman was a schizo that wrote angsty poetry and died in syphilitc insanity. I can't speak for Talmudic Judaism, but Muhammad was an accomplished warrior and perfect man, and Jesus embodied God himself and rose from the dead. And that's not even talking about the heroes and saints from the rest of their histories. For all his boasting about muh life-affirming philosophy, Nietzsche amounted to nothing and has produced no noteworthy heirs, just french pedophiles and amerimutt edgelords.

>>23138941
You fear death because you lack an artistic eye capable of finding the beauty in it.

>>23138943
Nietzsche was the prophet of the overman, not the overman. Read him before attempting to argue against him.

>>23138882
Christ is real. Christ is King and Lord. Christ is returning soon. Necessarily, the Jewish God is also real, they've just refussed His Messiah. They'll come around. Islam is a LARP. Nietzsche was a failure, and if I was really an overman, why would I need the ideas of a dead failure to tell me how to live? Seems retarded.

>>23138949
>You fear death because you lack an artistic eye capable of finding the beauty in it.
this is literally Christian slave morality, why are you posting with Nietszchszchszche in the OP and wasting my time

>>23138943
Rising from the dead is nothing, I‘ve done it four times already. Christ is a fag.

>>23138949
Well where are these overmen, then. The Christians have knights and saints to their name, the Muslims have assassins and sufis, hell even the Buddhists have samurai and ninja to their name. The hagiographies of those religions list saints even shortly after their founders passed, but here we are a little over a century after your prophet died and you have nothing to show for it. Meme philosopher.

>>23138954
>this is literally Christian slave morality

>>23138978
>Well where are these overmen, then.
Here's some of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Billionaires

>>23138982
Where does this imply 'the only reaction you should have to the prospect of death is accepting it'
or are you taking it as him saying 'never wipe your ass, shit is perfect just being there'

>>23138882
Natural selection has so far allowed these beliefs to continue.

>>23138998
Shit bait.

>>23138998
>mfw merchant caste was le overman all along

>>23139067
>the only reaction you should have to the prospect of death is accepting it
What do you mean by acceptance here?

>>23139100
>>23139107
Not all billionaires are overmen, but those that are are enterprising free spirits who are not afraid of adversity, which is how they accumulate wealth.

>>23139225
>What do you mean by acceptance here?
Death only exists by illusion and deceit of conditioned things, which are convincing only through the ignorance of the subject
accepting 'death' implies accepting Samsara which arises from confusion and ignorance leading to dissatisfaction and suffering.
The act of participating in the song and dance of human superstition of death is inferior to realizing it's fallibility and the superior experience that stems from not having to be suppressed by delusions or participation in them
this idea can be applied to many other principles such as the nature of knowledge, transmutation and so on, as an answer to
>Why do people still bother with "metaphysics" or "spirituality"?

>>23139310
You're arguing against acceptance, but the Nietzschean view asserts rather than accepts. Death may be illusion, but without this illusion, there's no impetus for greatness. Therefore I assert such an illusion as reality because I love greatness.

>>23139325
>the Nietzschean view asserts rather than accepts
but yours doesn't
>Death may be illusion, but without this illusion, there's no impetus for greatness
No. There are things besides illusions, illusions implying deceit of true nature that only seem real out of ignorance. This is just fancy poetry posing an existentially dangerous delusion, one that you expect 'common sense' to make safe (which it will fail to do in face of actually important turbulent time)

>>23139334
Death is real as a particular chemical transformation and illusion as representation of a finite existence. I nonetheless assert the illusion because it drives action.

>>23139349
>Death is real as a particular chemical transformation
death does not exist in any particular chemical, nor does it exist in biology in a way relevant to the prospect of the death within the existential matter. what you call biological death was named after the illusory death.
>because it drives action
Successful action stems from understanding something, the antithesis to ignorance. A good mathematician or physicist who knows his field hence is good at it because of the results that permit manipulation and action. Ergo it is the will to remove illusion that drives successful action, otherwise we wouldn't have had the Renaissance and Enlightenment period.

>>23138882
unrelated but what does lit think about bowie and his poetry? i remember seeing an interview with him where he talked about nietzsche and the progression of western society towards secularism or something of the sort, so it would appear he was fairly well read and, judging by his general mannerism of expression, quite intelligent. do you think it showed itself in his writings?

>>23139362
>death does not exist in any particular chemical, nor does it exist in biology in a way relevant to the prospect of the death within the existential matter
Organisms transform chemically over time. Your current form will eventually "die" — i.e., undergo significant chemical transformation.

>Successful action stems from understanding something
Great action also requires an impetus, because greatness necessarily involves pain.

>>23139381
>Organisms transform chemically over time. Your current form will eventually "die" — i.e., undergo significant chemical transformation.
Death in biology that you reference is named after death in human theology, which is illusory. You have an overly tilted view of change also notable here
>Great action also requires an impetus, because greatness necessarily involves pain.
Incorrect, as things are good because they make things better, not because they make things better 'for a while' but because they make things better period. And remember, the things which seem 'bad because of lack of drive' are also problems that can have effectively 'permanent' solutions, just like Pythagoras Theorem. Don't let the depression of those who failed when seeking it make you think you can't make things better unless there's a problem.
You are implying a sort of treadmill view on reality, where everything is constantly falling apart and you can only cheer yourself up until you forget that you can do that. That philosophy is so bad it cancels itself out.
I posit an alternative which I will take from another thread:
>>23138670
in short, instead of 'everything changes', I say 'there's massive quantities of information that infinitely re-contextualize itself and each other, both in things in motion and not, creating mechanisms that humans eventually ascribe theological delusions like death to, and recognizing this lets you actually discern what's important and how not to be swayed by eternity/annihilation dualism'

>>23139411
Chemistry isn't theological illusion. I contend that it's an illusion, but I also assert it as reality, because there's no greatness without it.

Why did you make the switch from great to good? These are distinct concepts, which means you sidestepped and failed to address my point.

If it didn't require sacrifice, it wasn't great action, period — good luck making a sacrifice without an impetus to do so. And the greater the achievement, the greater the action needed, the greater the sacrifice needed, the greater the impetus needed.

>>23138958
have you risen from death after being whipped and beaten, forced to carry a cross on top of a hill where you get crucified for 6 hours and die?

>>23139422
>Chemistry isn't theological illusion. I contend that it's an illusion, but I also assert it as reality, because there's no greatness without it.
there is no particle or chemical reaction that is called 'death'. You don't have a basic understanding of Chemistry or Biology to talk about this topic.
>Why did you
because it doesn't matter as you are simply using the word as a dramatized version of good, rather.
>If it didn't require sacrifice, it wasn't great action
you've not made a basis for this. You're talking about glory and being celebrated, not the quality of things unto themselves. I recommend you reread my post as you seem to have misunderstood it.

>>23139423
>have you risen from death
ye
>after being whipped and beaten, forced to carry a cross on top of a hill where you get crucified for 6 hours and die?
no because I'm not in that one highly contrived circumstance
but idk why that'd matter

>>23139430
>You don't have a basic understanding of Chemistry or Biology to talk about this topic.
Are you seriously arguing that chemistry and biology don't acknowledge the significant chemical transformation of organisms commonly referred to as death?

>you are simply using the word as a dramatized version of good
Good does not require sacrifice, it merely requires understanding and optimization. A good action becomes a great one specifically when the ingredient of sacrifice is added. If you don't want to address my vocabulary, then don't bother responding as your view is nonsense to me.