/lit/ - Literature

4. Analogy
>An apt analogy connects or appears to
connect [the abstract and the concrete]. It appeals to the everyday knowledge of the hearer and invites him to decide the problems that have baffled his powers of reason by the standard of the nursery and the heart...They translate an established truth into simple language.

5. Extravagance of
language
>Extravagance so wild that reason recoils is evident in most perorations. The emotions of the speaker and the listeners are alike aroused and some expression must be found that will represent all they are feeling. The effect of such extravagances on a political struggle is tremendous. Upon the audience the effect is to reduce pressure as when a safety valve is opened.

4. Analogy
>An apt analogy connects or appears to connect [the abstract to the concrete]. It appeals to the everyday knowledge of the hearer and invites him to decide the problems that have baffled his powers of reason by the standard of the nursery and the heart. [...] They translate an established truth into simple language.

5. Extravagance of language
>Extravagance so wild that reason recoils is evident in most perorations. The emotions of the speaker and the listeners are alike aroused and some expression must be found that will represent all they are feeling. The effect of such extravagances on a political struggle is tremendous. Upon the audience the effect is to reduce pressure as when a safety valve is opened.


https://winstonchurchill.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/THE_SCAFFOLDING_OF_RHETORIC.pdf

Yet Hitler didn't even bother with abstractions and was a 1000x times the speaker Churchill was.

>>23133414
>Hitler
>SCHARDENDAGENDASHENDARGEN!!!!!!!!!!

Magnetic.

>>23133576
Yeah, this post was made by an Anglo.

>>23133576
Hitler… the more I learn about this guy the less I care for him.

>>23133393
>>23133404
>how to be a scummy, populist politician
Yeah, I'll pass.

>>23133393
That all seems pretty sensible. I'm sure most good public speakers have had the same thoughts, without necessarily committing them to paper.

>>23133393
>an uniform
I checked the original script and found he was actually saying this.

>>23133995
Uniform was pronounced "oo-niform", whence "an".

>>23133576
>Churchill
>a bo'ohw'o'wo'er
Magnetic

>>23134330
> Uniform was pronounced "oo-niform”
As it should be

>>23133393
>>23133404
Then why was he such a shitty speaker

>>23133591
who won the war

>WEE WA NEVA SURRANDA!
>receives a Nobel for Literature
lmao what a meme award

>>23133591
it's a norm macdonald joke

>>23133414
>was a 1000x times the speaker Churchill was.
delusional

>>23134367
The Soviets

>>23134380
where's the soviet union now

>>23134393
where’s the british empire now?

>>23134401

>>23134424
You lost your Empire, Nigel. And English is known because of Americans.

>>23134432
>Nigel
bit of a dated reference now

>>23134446
You’re right. I’ll say Mohammed from now on.

>>23134450
his name's rishi

>>23134450
>>23134470
keky, whenever a roach gets uppity just post pic related

>>23133414
Hitler is and was a joke--for Germany, a bad one.

>>23133576
Kek

>>23133393
Good post, OP. All too common a phenomena for a good thread like yours to be instantaneously derailed by /pol/filth--an unfotunate burden for /lit/izens to bear.

>>23134450
damn lmao

>>23134944
>most basic bitch shit ever
>good post
Kek

>>23133576
WISHILFUITI'TEFUILDS

>>23134952
Stop lying to yourself. I'm better read than you'll ever be and I've never once seen this article shared. Hesiod wrote, "and whomever she [Calliope] chooses, she pours honeyed dew upon their tongues. These men become kings. These are the men whose words have the power to sway the masses." Churchill is 100% certainly such a man. Anyone who is not an absolute fool should be interested in what Churchill has to say on oratory. This board just isn't for your kind, child.

>>23134968
I’m sure it will be useful for your political speeches in favor of the Juden and Israel.

>>23134975
In so saying you think you've shamed me, but were I to give political speeches, I would be in favor of Jews and Israel, yes. I am pleased by this fact and do not hide it.

>>23134986
Stunning and brave, totally unsafe opinion.

>>23134990
I don't concern myself with such things, /pol/filth. I only ask myself what I actually think.

>>23134993
You’re the most basic bitch here. That’s why you praise such baby tier advice. You’re beneath us.

>>23135000
As you should be able to guess by now, I don't care what you think. Good day.

>>23134968
Holy shit what an embarrassing post.

>>23135020
Spoken like a man who neither read Hesiod, nor the essay OP shared.

>>23135028
Missing the point, but i just feel too bad for you to bother making fun of you.

>>23135040
Were you a smarter man, you'd realize how OPs essay is entirely relevant to the petty rhetorical bait n' switch you've just tried to wield.

>>23134823
when you make a self-deprecating joke & a yank repeats it to you

>>23135052
lol funny tweet, Mohammed, funny tweet.

>>23135062
mate your banter game is atrocious

>>23135066
Not as atrocious as your mom’s pussy :DDD

>>23135076
well hell, aw shucks, really? heavens to betsy, you gotta be kidding, goshdarn it, the tarnation thing.

>>23133393
Hitler and Churchill are constructs, he didn't write shit at 23, he didn't exist at 23.

>>23135331
https://genius.com/Country-teasers-hitlers-and-churchills-lyrics

>>23135334
Based

>>23135331
Even if that were true, it wouldn't take away from the power of the words which had been spoken and written by him. They still influenced the people regardless. If anything, that might add even more power to the importance of rhetorical study.

>>23135522
People were even more retarded back then and easily impressed.

>>23133414
Never change, /lit/. Never change.

>>23135528
>t. man who hasn't read enough from the past or the present
The lows and high of man have not changed. Only their dress.

>>23134380
Nope, the Soviets just won 8 more years of Stalin.
Sucked to be them, I guess.

>>23134432
Americans don't speak English.

>>23133414
the /pol/ colony shows its fruits once more

>>23136176
>YOU MUST LOVE CHURCHILL OR YOU’RE LE /pol/. REEEEEEEEE
kys

>>23136163
No one won, then.
>>23136167
American, not English, is the language people speak, then.

>>23133758
>populism is when you get your nation into a meaningless war against your people's wishes
u wot m8?

>>23136194
In current year, "American" == Spanish.

Poasting my favourite Churchill quote

>If you're going through hell... sell your country and bloodline off for an endless supply of cigars and booze

>>23136591

>>23136591
Who is his "paypig?"

>>23133393
Haven’t seen a good rhetoric thread in awhile.
Op was not a fag, for once.

>>23134931
He was neither good or bad, he was a mix of both. People aren’t just black or white, they’re mostly shades of grey

>>23135052
Why does any of this sound weird to anyone unless they’re a mentally deranged tranoid?

>>23135334
Underrated band

>>23136618
>>23134944

glad you found the essay interesting lads, only came across it because it was mentioned in Andrew Roberts biography of Churchill, which I would also recommend if you wanted a defense of the man

>>23137400
It was a great article. You made an exemplary thread--one of today's few. I'm sorry to have derailed it a bit. I should have had more toughness and met the posts of the Hitler-peddlers with overlooking. There was a lot worth talking about in that essay. In any case, thank you. (You) are why I keep coming back to /lit/.

>>23136625
In his case, an abominably dark shade of grey, nearly indistinguishable from the blackest of blacks. One could almost get lost looking for the white in it.

>>23136638
yes man