/lit/ - Literature

>>23120245
Probably in the top three pieces of fiction ever crafted.

>>23120257
There is a reason why only spaniards (the least culturally relevant nation in europe) say that.

>>23120267
I'm a huwhite american though.

>>23120245
>>23120267
>what counts as trolling now
embarrassing, here's the dopamine (You) that (You) desperately crave

>>23120281
Sure you are, paco.

Mickey Mouse never projectile vomited in Pluto's face

Pathetic attempt from OP - not giving any (you) - who definitely enjoys masculine intimacy, and goes for national bait.
The proper form is to say that Amadis of Gaul (the book of which Quixote is a parody) is better.

>>23120245
Is this just 4chud contrarianism or does this book actually suck?

>>23120267
Based and Redpilled

>>23120411
It's the funniest book I've ever read. But has beautifully serious moments as well.

>>23120245
Because it changed literature forever.

>>23120245
DQ is tonal whiplash to our generation
>be boomer
>have no conflicts in life to even conceive of heroism outside of dying for Israel and muh job
>car wash holiday cards are the funniest thing you have ever seen
>be zoomer
>grew up at McShootyGroids Penitentiary High School, "Heroine High"
>Batman and Robin grimdark their way into hentai pussy porn maxx with anime Catwoman stripping for Gotham's finest
>heavy metal concert blasted out your ear drums
>squatting 5 pl8 bruh maxxed you tattoed Guts on your glutes and brocoli haired yourself after finasteride and Tren treatment
>sauced to the max as a male to male transexual
>FAGMAN INC and GAE make you broodingly gaze at the city you once loved that once recognized you as a son
>old dusty spanish book about a guy who overdosed on the Batman of his day
>silly man slaps a priest off his horse and is pointed at by laughing whores in hostels and castles
>wheres the funny my brain cells need schaudenfraude and irony wtf

>>23120426
>But has beautifully serious moments as well.
For example?

>>23120451
Is anyone actually heroic in Don Quijote?
I think not. I think the whole book is one big bleak irony poisoned blackpill.

>>23120428
Changed the literature how?
It's just a parody, what's a big deal.

>>23120451
>>squatting 5 pl8 bruh maxxed you tattoed Guts on your glutes and brocoli haired yourself after finasteride and Tren treatment
>>sauced to the max as a male to male transexual
I hadn't laughed at a tranny joke in a long while. Based yakuza.

>>23120411
it's garbage. no lyricism, no greatness, no blue tones, no evening colors, no charisma, no epic, heavy characters, nothing. just this continuous journalistic social """satire""" not even acute or witty

>>23120451
based kek

>>23120471
EXACTLY!
Who is the HEAVY in Don Qujote?
The cynical narrator who injects neurotic bitching into the sitcom canned laughter cynical observers of Don Quijote. Ah but he later much later after the book sold well wrote in a sincere but canned AWWW for nostalgia of said canned laughter cynicism.

>>23120493
>Ah but he later much later after the book sold well wrote in a sincere but canned AWWW for nostalgia of said canned laughter cynicism.
ESL alert!

>>23120493
Don Quixote and Sancho are the heavy characters lol

>>23120257

>>23120497
Jes.
Spanish is my first language. I have no trouble with archaic Spanish either.

>>23120464
NTA. The wedding speech that pacifies the angry crowd.

>>23120493
nobody cares about your 27 iq meta-analysis and i hope for you that's just a shitpost. the books are plain garbge.

>>23120518
(the retarded OP insulting the only person stupid enought to agree with zher)
You ever been to a psychiatrist?

>>23120511
mejor forocoches que aqui
y el segun parte del quijote es mejor quel primero

>>23120515
shit, I don't remember it.

>>23120535
La segun parte de Quijote es mas WHOLESOME 100 que la primera parte mas comica

>>23120471
Don't you think that in Don Quijote it's the first time that a character of a certain trope appeared?
I'm talking about Sancho Panza, the down to earth, practical, a little cynical (in a good way) character.
Another example is "Good soldier Shweik".

Theres tonal restraint in Quijote that reminds me of Superman. Cervantes COULD have called upon some heavy themes in his work but in Spanish sillyness and lightheartedness are "simpatico" (agreeable) and grimdark offends Catholics (who live in Gothic Cathedral Land). There is the phrase
"No seas PESADO"
(Literally DO NOT BE HEAVY, figuratively dont be a jerk)

There is no kneeling to God preachy moment I remember in DQ. There is no salute to a solemn hero.

>>23120553
Schweik can not be described as cynical. His clueless optimism is his defining trait.

>>23120518
I care about it from a Barbenheimer perspective on the influence of tropes.
Panza is cynical but not snarky. Cervantes himself is a deadpan snarker.

>>23120553
for starters, no.
>I'm talking about Sancho Panza, the down to earth, practical, a little cynical (in a good way) character
chaucer, villon, boccaccio, rabelais, etc all had it. except in their work this “popular” character is not treated with cervantes’ vulgar, journalistic realism. for them this character also transcends into the ideal sphere of pure ideality, as in all great literature.
his book has zero intrinsic beauty, of any kind whatsoever, it’s good only if your first and foremost interest is muh “social criticism”

EL REDDITITO DE LA S@YA
Y EL VIEJO GORDO DE FEÍSBÚK

>>23120267
That's not true, actually.

>>23120245
Go back, OP--to whatever shithole you came from and leave my board and Western civ alone.

>>23120535
Gracias nunca sabia

>>23120593
>That's not true, actually.
that is the most true statement ever written on this godforsaken board, word by word.

>>23120610
Except it was literally disproven the moment I contended it.

>>23120427
>see German idealist
>day ruined
WW2 would not have happened if Germans read Quijote

STOP RUINING EUROPE, CHUD!

>>23120267
Schopenhauer said it was one of the greatest 4 novels. Last time I checked he was German.

>>23120688
>real German Idealism has never been tried
>my name is Don Quijote de la Mancha and I will try it! Dattebayo! (And fail as miserably as Cervantes refuses to elaborate via principle but only by association, serialized episode by episode)
https://youtu.be/OpCj4A1CQ1U?si=ZRyBctDwPDQ3dSJo
There are no heroes in DQ. Quijote is huggable homer, not salutable Caesar

I hate Quijote and I mock Dr JGM precisely because I am a butthurt German Idealist

>>23120267
Flaubert, Dostoyevsky, Dickens, Schopenhauer, all considered Don Quixote one of the greatest novels ever, none of them were Spaniards.

>>23120719
True, but you are responding to a troll kek.

>>23120688
>>23120719
But why? What's so great about it? It's just a parody.

>>23120688
yeah the other 3 being Tristram Shandy, Julie or the new Heloise, Wilhelm Meister. Why? because by Schopenhauer's age nobody wrote novels, all the greatest writers wrote poems/theatre/epic poems/etc until the french novelists of the 19th century. Schopenhauer indeed didn't consider the novel to be the highest form of literature.

>>23120735
Try googling Author name + Quixote. (You)

>>23120735
No, it's not.

>>23120741
>Schopenhauer's age nobody wrote novels
People are so retarded here now that they don't even know Goethe. Indistinguishable from trolls.

>>23120719
That book is considered a primary influence for none of these authors, and if you notice, they all belong in the tradition of the realist literature.

>>23120747
I mentioned Goethe myself, mongoloid. Goethe was never a "novel writer", he wrote a few of them especially in his early years, period. but he never considered them something on par with his masterpieces or his naturalistic research

>>23120735
"Smartest board"

>>23120745
What is it then?
You think Cervantes really believed in literally fighting windmills?

>>23120770
It's irrelevant what an author considers his best work.

>>23120780
no it's very relevant. Schopenhauer mentioned those 4 novels because they were basically the whole corpus. until hugo, nobody NOBODY deemed the novel as important as poetry or theatre.

>>23120245
>>23120267
>>23120285
>>23120779
the touch of tism/schizophrenia you have makes you inept at trolling

>>23120799
>Schopenhauer's age nobody wrote novels
>except goethe
>except
it's over bro. did you just take a community college class in literature and think you knew literary history?

"OH HEY SANCHO EHEHEH LET'S SAVE THAT PRINCESS OHOHOH"
*it's actually a prostitute*
"AYYYY CARRAMBAAAA SIR I TOUGHT PRINCESSES WERENT MADE LIKE THIS HOLA AMIGOOOOO"
*both end up beaten*
end of sketch
new adventure will now begin:
...

>>23120779
>you think Cervantes really believed in literally fighting windmills?
>you think Quijote really believed in fighting windmills?
>you really believe your own windmills?

>>23120799
>they were basically the whole corpus
If you ignore Swift, Defoe, Rabelais, Richardson, Smollett, Fielding, Walpole, Goldsmith, Diderot, Choderlos de Laclos, and all the others, sure.

JGM speaks on behalf of Spaniard literary tradition that is proudly materialist
>Spaniards mock bibliomancy
HYLICS. JGM mocks St Augustine as a crazed schizo seduced by madness.
Basically "k dont count me in, didnt ask"
>Spaniards mock priests
-_-
>Spaniards mock the transcendant
-_-
>Spaniards assert Idealism is the cause of the failure of the contemporary world
-_-
>Spaniards mock the Romantic movement
-_-
>Spaniards blame the virtual world dehumanizing us on German idealism

>>23120245
Cruel and crude old book.

>>23120837
rabelais is the only one relevant among those and in fact i already mentioned him above. and walpole just for historical reasons and because he set a trend AFTER schopenhauer's floruit, so not that relevant to schopenhauer. swift and defoe's novels were always considered literary divertissements, like thomas more or bacon's political fictions.

>>23120856
>rabelais only one relevant among those
Ah, because zher's feelings say so huh lil' man?
I hope you're not going to university to study literature because that would be even more embarrassing considering how stunningly superficial your 'knowledge' is of literary and humanistic development

>>23120464
Haven't read it in years, but looking through my highlights, this is a passage I enjoyed: There are four reasons for prudent men and well-ordered communities to take up arms, draw their swords and put their persons, their lives and their possessions at risk: first, to defend the Catholic faith; second, to defend their own lives, in accordance with divine and natural law; third, to defend their honour, their families and their possessions; fourth, in the service of their king in a just war; and if we wished to add a fifth reason, which would come second in the list, it would be to defend their country. To these five principal causes other just and reasonable ones can be added that oblige us to take up arms; but to take them up because of childish pranks and what was no affront but a joke, a piece of fun, hardly seems to be something for sane and rational beings to do, particularly since taking unjust revenge (and no revenge can be just) flies in the face of the holy religion that we all profess, which orders us to do good to our enemies and love those who hate us, a commandment that, although it might seem somewhat difficult to keep, is only so for those who have less of God than of the world in them, and more of the flesh than of the spirit; because when Jesus Christ, true God and true man, who never lied, or could or can lie, gave us our laws he said that his yoke was easy and his burden light; he was not, therefore, going to command us to do the impossible. So, my good sirs, you are obliged by both divine and human law to calm down.’

>>23120855
D. Quijote is the greatest novel ever written, both in form and possibly in content (the Russians, Proust, Joyce and a few others are good competitors in this regard, I admit), AND at the same times is written in a classical, clear style which not only is self-consciously so, but also PARODIES the purple baroque of the knightly novels D. Quijote was reading.

Vladimir Nabokov was a purple baroque writer who was unable to write clear prose, and loved experimenting with novelistic structure. As a result, he felt both hatred of Cervantes, for his rejection of the purple baroque style; as well as envy, for Cervantes did, all by himself and barely prompted by history, nearly all that could be done in terms of form, while maintaining the telling of a good story. Metaliterature? Cervantes has it. 'Postmodern' pastiche? Cervantes has it. Unreliable narrator? Cervantes has it. Different levels of narration with different degrees of reliability? Cervantes has it. Polystylism? Cervantes has it? Books-within-the-book? Cervantes has it. Literary criticism within the novel? Cervantes has it. Long, careful, beautiful descriptions? Cervantes has it. Great dialogue? Cervantes has it. Jokes? Cervantes has many. Profound and immortal characters that represent whole worlds within themselves? Cervantes has it. Realism? Cervantes has it. Fantasy? Cervantes has it. Poetry within the novel? Cervantes has it. 'Open' poetry in which the reader has to fill in the meanings? Cervantes has it. Irreverent prefaces which are themselves a part of the novel? Cervantes has it. Etc. etc. etc.

Other innovators of form, like Sterne, Joyce, Beckett, mostly managed to do so through the freedom that is allowed by more or less ignoring the story, or through the natural changes of society (e.g., Melville's parody of science in the whaling chapters of Moby-Dick - this was, of course, impossible for a man of Cervantes's pre-scientific times, although he would have done it, given that D. Quijote is a parody of Muslim chroniclers and the reliability of historical accounts, and the preface contains an attack on pseudo-erudition).

I like Nabokov very much, and he is one of my favorite writers of his generation, but when a novelist diminishes the greatness of D. Quijote, you know it is out of envy, possibly out of hatred. It would have been better for all of us if Cervantes hadn't existed, if he had allowed us a little more space for invention. Yet he existed, he was a genius, and his book is superior to any we might write.
The best reply to Nabokov's criticism are Nabokov's own prefaces, unreliable narrators, etc., which imitate aspects of D. Quijote.

>>23120866
no, because it's just like this. and if you don't see the pathetic show of yourself mentioning goldsmith and chiderlos de laclos as potential competitors to schopenhauer's top 4 novels, then i am just sorry for your parents because this is not even a matter of literary knowledge but a matter of choosing your arguments in a debate as a 90+ iq dude would

>jajajaja students, your Quijote quiz is next week make sure to study jyour Spanish literrature class
>"Once upon a time there was a stupid old man who filled his head up with bullshit reading silly chivalry books that were all the rage in his age. Everything he tried failed miserably and he was the laughingstock of his town."
>ah what an excerpt! If only any of us could relate
And so the student graduated from school completely unlearned in all enterprise and tact. But hey, that was some funny snark, right?

>>23120826
whoa, dude

>>23120888
>midwit aggressive guy really ANTSY about his intellectual strength (115 IQ on a good day) and yet mysteriously silent about the lack of influence of the Goldsmith, Cervantes, Swift, Defoe, Rabelais, Richardson, Smollett, Fielding, Walpole, Goldsmith, Diderot, Johnson, Kleist, Chaucer, and of course, Choderlos de Laclos
Hey retard, you were the one to say the novel wasn't developed in the mid 1800's without even the slightest knowledge of global literature. You're just a retard. lil retard. lol, lmao even.

it is a lot longer than it needed to be and becomes a slog in a few spots but its pretty kino

>>23120888
They was a larger canon of novels, not just those 4. Everything you write comes off as a "NOOOO THOSE DON'T COUNT" tier cope.

Spanish Puns for you SSLs and Monoglots
>coraje
Courage
>coraje
Rage
>politica
Politics
>politica
Politeness
>sofistica
Sophistry
>sofistica
Sophistication

Spanish is a medium for extreme confusion and smurf tier context

I will not answer you a word, fair lady,’ replied Don Quixote, ‘nor will I hear a jot more of your business, until you arise from the ground.’
‘I will not arise, Señor,’ answered the afflicted damsel, ‘if, by your courtesy, the boon I beg be not first vouchsafed me.’
‘I do vouchsafe, and grant it you,’ answered Don Quixote, ‘provided my compliance therewith be of no detriment or disservice to my king, my country, or her who keeps the key of my heart and liberty.’
‘It will not be to the prejudice or disservice of any of these, dear sir,’ replied the doleful damsel.
And as she was saying this, Sancho Panza approached his master’s ear, and said to him softly:
‘Your worship, sir, may very safely grant the boon she asks; for it is a mere trifle; only to kill a great lubberly giant: and she, who begs it, is the mighty Princess Micomicona, queen of the great kingdom of Micomicon in Ethiopia.

now, compare with:

Stay! you imperfect speakers, tell me more:
By Sinel’s death I know I am Thane of Glamis,
But how of Cawdor? The Thane of Cawdor lives
A prosperous gentleman; and to be king
Stands not within the prospect of belief
No more than to be Cawdor. Say from whence
You owe this strange intelligence, or why
Upon this blasted heath you stop our way
With such prophetic greeting? Speak, I charge you.

>>23120940

>>23120945
>comparing the 1824 "Charles Jarvis, Esquire" translation of Cervantes to macbeth

I can't believe people here are this retarded. How do you solve the captchas?

>>23120945
>compared translated prose to a verse play
Might as well compare videogames to youtube tutorials.

>>23120945
>former: pomp and circumstance purple prose that prances
You would hear a male feminist at the DMV blabber on like this
>latter: a man shouts into the devoid demanding meaning and by his soul as he lives and breathes with all he can burn and yearn and confess he has achieved it knowing the prophetic voice beyond the grave.
You would hear this at Stonehenge and Chichen Itza by their very own builders and emperors

>>23120920
what i wrote is very clear. schopenhauer's options for a list of top novel was very limited and that's because the novel itself was irrelevant until the french novelists of the 19th century. and no, mentioning all the other 10-15 ever written before won't change it, because the names speak by themselves.

>>23120960
>because the names speak by themselves
The names are good.

>>23120953
>>23120955
Oh no! i-it's the translation i swear!
You spaniards are worthless subhumans. Not a surprise at all you as a people are completely of any achievements, either scientific or cultural.
I quoted those 2 random passages to show the deep, conceptual difference between the 2 worlds of some spanish comedy writer and a poet of the west.

>>23120945
way to expose yourself as a huge pseud lol god damn thats embarrassing

>>23120960
>schopenhauer's options for a list of top novel was very limited
>because the novel itself was irrelevant until the french novelists of the 19th century
>other than Goldsmith, Cervantes, Swift, Defoe, Rabelais, Richardson, Smollett, Fielding, Walpole, Goldsmith, Diderot, Austen, Goethe, Johnson, Kleist, and of course, Choderlos de Laclos
You keep repeating this Very Confidently! Wow! So impressed! Did you learn that from a 4chan post or a parasocial podcaster and now are afraid to realize you're a halfwitted retard who drank only a little of the glass of knowledge?

>>23120975
You realize your schizophrenia makes you too obtuse and readable to troll effectively.

>>23120978
>enjoying Medieval Spongebob appreciators is a form of LE KNOWLEDGE
You make a good point as far as knowledge is necessary to appreciate context here.
Schopenhauer had more context of ye old chivalry than we do.
Batman for example exists to us without need to fill us in the adjacent parodied vigilante material and pulp noirs. Quijote however has alone outlived that which it parodied and now is its own vulgate unto itself. As far as it is a vulgate mass compulsory pedagogy it is a humorless exercise in academic bureacracy sucking the lifeblood and joy of students left destitute. As far as it is connected to the knights of yore, the knights fill in the blanks for that which we are left in cliffhanger disinterest.

>>23120981
i realize you sound mad as fuck, since you wrote the same exact post with the same words twice here >>23120807 and in many other posts, in what 1 hour? now the question is: why are you seething so bad? becaue it's so obvious that cervantes is an irrelevant meme who exists only for irrelevant political reasons of some irrelevant country that you must have realized it even in that empty bag of trash you call your brain

>>23120998
You sound low IQ and resentful.

>>23120996
>t. triggered schizophrenic
kek

>>23121002
now write it twice or i fear nobody'll get it
you complete retard

>Thread about the Noble Don Quixote
>Made by a schizo
Sublimely poetic

>>23120998
>>23121006
>t. triggered schizophrenic mad zher's schizophrenia makes trolling hard

>>23120245
DQ is the greatest European novel.

>>23120401
Excellent post even though I disagree
https://youtu.be/121J_1cjBB4?si=rXuMxCXgWGILtHiZ

>>23121010
Sublimely succinct

>>23120245
>First empire on which the sun never set
>First modern novel
And don't you forget it.

Spaniards (def.): a species of brown colored mammalians who think pic rel is art and don quixote is a masterpiece

>>23121031
Thats just an expensive Synagogue to me

Ay que ricas juderias

>julianJuderias.png
>author of La Leyenda Negra (tl;dr hating Spain is a hecking ANTISEMITISM)

>>23121031
>>23121037
schizos are not even fun these days

I straight up dont get the hype behind this book. I dont understand what people mean by the first novel. I think there was better stuff 300 years before the book was made.
>its the first modern novel
Whats that mean?
What is that even a good thing?

>>23121044
Sorry not to prance

>>23121048
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

>>23121054
That'd be a 10/10 in Engurland btw

>>23121056
What? I'm not debating or anything. I haven't read the thread. I just wanted to know.

>>23121056
Youre telling me this thread is full of vindication for the book and that I missed something?
Why do DQ fans act like appreciating this book is an objective good instead of a private delight of the bookworms of history?

>>23121048
It's literally a most normal book of a kind every country has. Do you see the english bragging about robinson crusoe and other novels like that? no. because high literature is a whole different thing.

>>23121068
This
Spain is reddit tier tho

>>23121031
A FUCKING STRAWBERRY

>>23121087
stfu

>>23121056
Actually I will point out this sincere positive review I am not blind to
>>23120885
I can't stomach purple baroque. I love me Bach. I love me Handel. I hate me Mozart. Mozart was a REDDITOR like Cervantez. Look I'm not saying Redditors are dumb. Some are. But I am packin verbal heat here on Voltaire and Mozart and Cervantes. I'm sure Wagner had the same stick up his arse I allege.

>>23121090
Me llamo Francisco, Francisco Madero,
Francisco Plutarco Elias Calles,
Francisco Franco
The Cisco Kid
San Francisco
Fran SEXO
El Pancho de el Rancho
El Pinchi Panchin
Paquito Taquito de mi Corazon
Paquin rrin rrin chaparrin
Cisco Certified Network Associate

Me llamo

Francisco
Adrian
Gonzalez
Salazar

>>23120885
good poast.

>>23121115
Yo me llamo

Francisco
Alvarez
Garcia
Godinez
Obeso
Torrés

>>23121031
>Catalan
>Spaniard
Besides the Sagrada Familia is great.

>>23120245
You are saying something as retarded as that, because you are an uncultured monolingual disgusting anglo, that can't even read, 1 page of a book in español, let alone something as grat as Don Quijote.
So cope, Retarded Angl*.

>>23121590
si hubieras leido toda la página, te habrías dado cuenta de que el post orignal era de un esquizofrenico trolling

>>23121031
I vosotros anglos, sois tan estúpidos, que pensáis que vuestra eschizofrenia idiota es la prueba de que, don Quijote es basura, cuando en realidad sois vosotros los que soys basura.
Translate that, you subhuman idiot angl*.

>>23120467
>Changed the literature how?
It's just a parody, what's a big deal.
You are the actual retarded parody, you subhuman idiot.

>>23121639
casi nadie aqui pensaba que el esquizo tenia razon tio

>>23120267
You are probably either a, j*w, a nigger or a saar.
Ether way, a retard non-european subhuman.

>>23121651
>responding seriously to a retarded troll
come on, dude.

>>23120471
Kill yourself.

>>23121646
Other than you being butthurt about it, can you give reasons what's so great about Don Quijote?
It's just a parody after all.

>>23121657
How are you still in this thread, OP retard. schizophrenic britbong retard doesn't have a job - how surprising!

>>23121657
Don Quijote is an idealistic.stupid.always losing and always fighting character.We sympthize him.because we are just like him, we are powerless, but we keep on going,fightinging,dreaming till life has turns itself to a nightmare,and we realize ourselves are old and fragile and destined to die.
-
Anyway, he has always been my idol, but it's a sad book, dreams can't fight reality.
So shut up you uncultured retard.

>>23121658
puta

>>23121665
>dreaming till life has turns itself to a nightmare,and we realize ourselves are old and fragile and destined to die.
Well-written.

Anyone who says "grow up" in earnest is a deeply unserious person.

>>23121657
You get it now?
Hopefully you get it, and you stop being retarded.
At least read and appreciate a good translation of Cervantes work, dude.
You don't even have to read it in Spanish, just appreciate the story, just don't be a retard, ok?

>>23121675
I've read it already.
The "sad character that we sympathize with" sounds like re-interpretation that wasn't intended by the author.
The book reads like the author was sick and tired of a certain genre of novels and decided to subvert it.

>>23121681
>The book reads like the author was sick and tired of a certain genre of novels and decided to subvert it.
You have never read past the first two hundred pages. Guaranteed.
Did you read the absolute dreck translation you posted above? Why would you go with that over Tobias Smollet or John Rutherford (a brit like you, though not a schizophrenic)

>>23121681
It's still a good parody, even in that case.
So i don't get your point.

>>23121690
So it's one big literary criticism, even funny in some places.
But why call it one of the greatest novels of all time?
It wasn't even intended as that.

>>23121699
It's fun, that's enough.

>>23121699
>doesn't answer the question about which translation you read
Deeply unserious person. No wonder why you're a jobless monolingual loser brit (kek, even in a welfare state!)

>>23121699
Because comedy can also be considered a masterpiece as well?
Do you think only "serious novels" should be considered masterpieces?
That's retarded.

>>23120267
>the least culturally relevant nation in europe
You are illiterate and you know nothing about history KYS

>>23120678
Lmao hay 4 personas en la tierra que se toman en serio a este chud y probablemente el anon detrás de este post es un gustavobuenista marrón retrasado al que sigo en twitter.

massive amount of hurt siesta butts itt
based OP who also happens to be fundamentally right in spite of his exaggerations

>>23121840
>el.retrasado

>>23121840
>fundamentally right
More lake, fundamentally retarded.

>dude it's a 10/10 masterpiece you just don't get it because you read a translation and not the original!
I have no horse in this race, but I have to say that I'm really fucking sick and tired of hearing this retarded excuse spouted by all Spaniards and the 1% Spanish races in the Americas. When people mention learning German, French, Japanese, Chinese, Russian etc etc to read books in the original language they get made fun of and told that all the good books already have good translations already and that there's no reason to bother learning those languages, but when anybody criticizes a Spanish language book he immediately gets swarmed by retards screeching that it's a masterpiece and you need to read it in Spanish to "get" it. If you're lucky, you'll be told this by a Spaniard. If you're unlucky, then a 4 foot tall Venezuelan or Argentine. Apparently there's just hundreds of these books that are dogshit when translated but pure gold in the original language, not a single man has managed to translate them properly despite Spanish being extremely similar to English all around and very easy for English speakers to become fluent in.
Quixote is actually good though.

Get windmilled fag lol

>>23121848
>dude it's a 10/10 masterpiece you just don't get it because you read a translation and not the original!
Hey 'tard, no one ITT said that. The OP posted a dogshit translation from 1742 and people rightfully pointed out he was using an extremely outdated translation that no one has used for two hundred years. How the fuck do you not know that Cervantes has good translations?

>>23121848
Original writing in languages is always going to be better than translations.
That's how literature works.
A translation being good depends on the translator ability or skill to keep the original spirit or meaning of the story on a new language.
Its not the spaniards fault that there is a lot of bad translations of Quijote.
So i don't get your complains of them, they seem like unfounded on nothing biased complains.

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>>23121827
>odia el idealismo alemán
>odia el realismo ruso
No hay quien pueda con este pelma. Si de verdad fuera alguien serio, escribiria libros y dejaria de subir videos a youtube para cabezas pelopollas.

>>23121651
You'll be never be Spanish, panchito.

>>23121876
>You'll be never be Spanish
Truly high-iq. Self hating Mexican?

>>23121876
No, retrasado, tu estás hablando con un español, en este momento, idiota.

>>23121876
Con un Español de la península ibérica.

>>23121876
So shut the fuck up, you retard.
Just Go kill yourself.

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>>23121885
>panchitos mad.

>>23121848
n-no anon you don't understand... you can't possibly scrutinize the unfathomable depths of this totally not comical wonder of human endeavor without mastering its totally not comical original language:

Sir — the devil’s taken the dun.’
‘What devil?’ Don Quixote asked.
‘The one with the bladders,’ Sancho
The one with the bladders,’ Sancho replied.
‘Well, I shall recover it,’ Don Quixote said, ‘even if he locks himself up with it in the deepest and darkest dungeons of hell. Follow me, Sancho: the cart is slow, and with those mules I will make good the loss of the dun.’
‘There isn’t any need to go to those lengths, sir,’ Sancho replied. ‘Calm down - from what I can see, the devil’s let the dun go now and it’s coming back to its old quarters.

vs

He scarce had ceas't when the superiour Fiend
Was moving toward the shore; his ponderous shield
Ethereal temper, massy, large and round,
Behind him cast; the broad circumference
Hung on his shoulders like the Moon, whose Orb
Through Optic Glass the Tuscan Artist views
At Ev'ning from the top of Fesole,
Or in Valdarno, to descry new Lands,
Rivers or Mountains in her spotty Globe.
His Spear, to equal which the tallest Pine
Hewn on Norwegian hills, to be the Mast
Of some great Ammiral, were but a wand,
He walkt with to support uneasie steps
Over the burning Marle, not like those steps
On Heavens Azure, and the torrid Clime
Smote on him sore besides, vaulted with Fire

>>23121887
>be never be
Consider the fact that you're a 95 IQ mexican kek

>>23121887
Are you actually being this stupid, right now?
I just said, that im a spaniard, what more do you want?
The city i was born?
The province or admistative region?
You are a retard.

>>23121894
That was the british schizophrenic OP, who is also this post >>23121890
i like that this insane schizo britbong has been posting for twelve hours straight and just as retarded as ever (and jobless)

>>23121890
Do you have, nothing to do OP?
No job?
No family to take care?
No dreams for the future or anything?
You are worse than Quijote.
Ironic.

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>>23121890
>insanely schizophrenic unemployed britfag OP has been posting for 13 hours straight without stopping and is mentally ill enough to spot by style
L M A O

>again with the same posts repeated verbatim
is that your tourette kicking in or what? besides the low iq ingrained in your discount tier spanish dna of course

>>23121920
>why are all the mean kids BULLYING me???
thanks for the concession that you indeed are a mentally ill jobless britfag

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>>23120267
sadly, it's the best Spain can do

i think both sides of this argument are really really awful. i dont really see the appeal in this book personally though

>>23121910
I've noticed most schizos will keep talking for days on imageboards. I remember a dude who defended women for over 24 hours a while ago. You also have the murnanefag and the persian religion schizo ofcourse.

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>>23121840
I seethe eternally at DQ
It was assigned to me in school
I was as sad as buck broken Shinji I hated every minute.
I read 1984 and Brave New World despite not having it assigned. I enjoyed those books far more. Does none of the DQ fans acknowledge the bureacratic ass rape this book symbolizes?