/lit/ - Literature

>>23109817
Agreed, although I think audiobooks are fine for slop books which, let's be honest, is 99% of what audiobook listeners are """"""reading""""""

It's called hypnopaedia. Your brain still absorbs that knowledge. So not only am I washing the dishes, I'm also becoming more well-read than you while doing it. Problem?

I'm usually NOT doing anything else when listening to an audiobook. I listen before bed. Most of what I listen to is History and I seem to absorb it better through audio.

>>23109889
>hypnopaedia
>learning by hearing while asleep or under hypnosis.

you must teach me your dishwashing while sleeping technique

oh so none of you fags have ever experienced the particular joy of listening to a book you downloaded while walking your dog around a hill?

I'm usually just chilling on my couch or doing a motor task that doesn't require much effort, so I am focussing on the book (washing dishes, vacuuming, etc)

Where do you get your audio books?

Audiobooks are good for history and other simple stuff.

>>23109972
How do you feel cleaning up the fresh, hot shit of your dog while you listen to Nietzsche ramble about slaves?

>>23109817
>he has never got up at 5 AM, driven the jeep out to the field, and cut wheat by hand while listening to the aeneid (dryden)
Sucks to suck.

>>23109817
Audiobooks exist to make menial tasks more enjoyable by giving your brain something to do while going through the motions of the task. Are you stupid?

>>23110355
He has clearly never done a menial ask since he thinks they occupy your brain.

>walks
I used to ride by train or bus (~45 mins) to previous work and often walk back (~ 2hr 15 mins) and listening to audiobooks. Nice opportunity to get through a 8 hour audio in one week.
I mostly did it work the walks - through forrest and farmland, over a local high hill where I can see the town from high, chill. And the audiobook was two birds with one stone. I can usually focus on it well and if I find myself not remembering the last few minutes then just backtrack. I can often associate the sequences in book to where I listened to them.
I know some people can read while walking, I suck at it.
>laundry and cleaning bathroom/toilet
I don't like doing that but have to. It's low motor and low noise. Good opportunity.
dishes are too noisy. all the splashing.

Also: I can get audiobook in english just fine, while a book in different language than local is pretty hard to find.
Definitely not claiming it's superior or on par, but it's not that bad.

>>23110161
when you get really lucky, on youtube for free

True, OP. You can't claim to have 'read' a book if you listened to the audiobook version of it.

>>23110253
lmao

>>23109817
I use audiobooks to get through very dense stuff. Philosophy and science articles grabbed off Libgen and read with voice to text. It can be very dry, and you have to build up a tolerance for it.

The key thing for me is putting discipline into paying attention as I do chores, drive, work out, etc. but this gives me like 7-14 hours a week, a decent sized book or dozens of articles to get through. And then if I'm using one I know what I am looking for and can go back to read it in depth and cite it.

A solid 50-75% or articles are not what I am looking for and listening helps me weed them out and drop them.

The other thing I've learned is that, if your attention is flagging, you have to give your self a break with a professionally read Audible book, something light, or like a Great Courses read.

That and I've learned that a lot of more literary stuff doesn't translate well to text, while analytic philosophy and science stuff is normally actually quite clear.

When speech to text decides to read all 70 numbers/letters at the bottom of each page of your Libgen PDF, you use that as a break to think back on what you've heard and figure out how to use it for the problems you are working on.

This is 26,000 pages or so I wouldn't get through otherwise and helps with finding sources for the sort of work I do. It does require some discipline though.

I would listen to audiobooks if somebody would make a sexy older sister type voice to read the book out loud. I once found a Japanese voice that was almost like that, buy it was locked behind a subscription system that costs approximately 6 million dollars per book you make it read, and what I want is one that is free and I can download on my PC and use locally.

>>23110815
>I use audiobooks to get through very dense stuff.
I have completely zoned out during some audiobooks if I'm doing something like driving. Do you actually recall what was being read?

>>23109972
No one here goes outside

>>23110894
Generally, yes. Not as well though. But I recall things well enough that I can remember phrases for things I wanted to cite months later. It helps having digital copies so that I can search the text for phrases I wanted to return to.

Some stuff works better than others. Dramas tend to work pretty well, or dialogues. Modern analytical texts work ok. Ancient and medieval analytical texts, Aristotle aside from the ethics, Aquinas, etc. tend to be very rough. More literary stuff like Saint Augustine and Boethius actually work better.

I tried listening to the Phenomenology of Spirit once, it was even a professional recording, and it literally made me sick and gave me a headache, so it isn't for everything. Commentaries on Hegel, like Houlgate on the Greater Logic have gone fine though. That's probably the biggest outlier. I love Hegel, but he is the WORST fucking writer.

>>23109884
fpbp

I only listen audiobooks for such books.

>>23110853
Source please

>>23109884
For slop books I just speed read and don't bother giving it time for rumination. By slop, I mean non-fiction about topics that I'm not wholly invested in but I think would compliment other reading. If you are listening to an audiobook for fiction, why even bother pretending to like books?

>>23110355
That's what philosophy is for. You feed your brain so that when it's not being fed, it can use that fuel to sate itself. Are you really learning or even thinking from audiobooks if you're brain is never saturated enough for precipitation? Is your brain just an endless receptacle?

>>23109817
Cope. When I listen to audiobooks, I never find myself reading entire paragraphs while daydreaming about something else, when I suddenly realize I read an entire page without paying attention to whatever I just read. An audiobook prevents that because you are passive in this medium. You don't determine the pace, the tone, the voice. It is all shoved into your ears like it or not. As children, we learn to hear and listen to language. Even animals can do this. It takes many more years until we can read properly. Reading is a harder action where you can't really multitask. Hearing and listening on the other hand are action we evolved to multitask with ither things.
TL;DR: audiobooks are superior.

>>23109817
>he can't put his body in autopilot while listening to audiobooks

>>23109972
I prefer to be aware of my surroundings when outside. Audiobooks are for wage cages.

>people actually think listening to some nigga read a book counts as "reading"

The problem is they are fundamentally two separate way of receiving information: visual and oral. There are strengths in each way and neither can be translated into the other without some loss of content. Western society exists because of its prioritization of the written word (an eternal, definite thing), NOT the spoken word.
There is no point in arguing with those who are unable to make this distinction. Why don't we just read songs? Is that translation from melody and lyric to print something that necessitates a loss in form? No shit.

>>23110605
>I know some people can read while walking, I suck at it.
these are psychos

>>23109889
>Your brain still absorbs that knowledge.
No, it doesn't.

There's a long track that I walk on 4-5 times a week that takes about 40 minutes
I just walk mechanically along the path, focusing on the podcasts that I listen to and I still can have trouble paying attention especially when my mind drifts

>play an audio book
>mind starts thinking about other things within 120 seconds
how do i fix this?

>pauses audiobook
I don't care for your opinion.
>unpauses audiobook