/lit/ - Literature

>>23083211
Copernicus?

Joseph Conrad

>>23083211
They have a good amount, won the Nobel 4 or 5 times. I don't really feel like trying to spell those weird names right now, kinda drunk. Some other anon will probably provide, if not I will eventually sober up.

>>23083211
Lem
Sienkiewicz
Sapkowski
Pilipiuk

>>23083211
My diary desu

>>23083273
>drinking at 1 PM
Anon wtf

>>23083347
Its 7:30am here, is that a better time to drink? I work nights so not all that fucked up and I have only been off for 2 hours. Just resetting myself for the weekend before sleep.

>>23083211
Ferdydurke filters the humorless and Gombrowicz is a flawed but excellent author outside of that. Man that book filters people like nothing else.

>>23083387
Hey, reddit.

>>23083211
Gombrowicz, Tokarczuk and Lem from those who wouldn't lose much in translation
also Reymont, today known from that artsy movie based on the Peasants. I think it'll click if you're seeking the "sovl" or enjoyed the adaptation

>>23083211
Stefan Grabinski wrote some stellar horror stories around 1910-1930

Stanisław Ignacy Witkiewicz
Bruno Schulz

>>23083395
The movie is not too good of an adaptation.

Jagna, basically the character which the whole book revolves around is completely different in the movie, her whorish attitude is somewhat glorified and they turned her into an angel and a victim, while in the book she's an immoral, immature and selfish character (like pretty much any other in the book) who caused chaos in the village for her own pleasure and one could say that she deserved what was coming. The only thing that justifies her is that she's a stupid teen,

I think that Reymont tried to paint each character in a neutral kind of way, where everyone acts selfishly and non-christian, that pretty much every single person in the village acted based off animalistic instincts to some degree, and that both men and women were bad. Jagna was a whore, but it takes two to tango, Antek was also a bad person, same goes for Mateusz, Wójt, or other peasants who she fucked with. She even wanted to have sex with a priest FFS.

While the movie turns it down to:
>muh patriarchy
>jagna, the bad, bigoted and stupid men are trying to put you down! you're too good for this world, slayyyy

>>23083211
I have a rusty but decent knowledge of Polish (formally certified at B2, some have said I sound more like B1, some have said I sound more like C1).
Who would be a good author to read - someone whose books I should be able to approach without too many lookups in the dictionary? I tried Sapkowski, but there were too many outdated words, and most jokes flew over my head.

>>23083211
Has anyone here read The Manuscript found in Saragossa?

Not mentioned yet in the thread, but Prus is pretty good.

>>23083211
Lem
Dukaj
Sapkowski (arguably)
Joseph Conrad

>>23083512
Sapkowski is not too good of an author, Season of Storms is kind of a cashgrab, the only good book in the series that I've read was Blood of Elves and it's the 4th Witcher book I think, not worth the time, though he isn't too hard to read.

Honestly, most of the good Polish books are pre WW2 and often use very exotic words that aren't in use today, and even as a native I have to look up the dictionary every now and then. One of the key things about the beauty of the Polish language is the flexibility of words and other things that most authors use and those can complicate a lot of things for a foreign speaker, so I guess every piece of literature (unless it's some pulp garbage) is going to be hard for a non-native.

If you want something simple and classic, try Lem (don't pick up Cyberiad though) or Tokarczuk. Both write in more or less modern Polish and write good books. Good luck. What's your first language?

>>23083544
I've got it sitting on my shelf, but haven't gotten trough yet. Heard really good things about it though

>>23083551
Russian. So I pick up on slavic words decently well even if I don't know them (e.g. nobody ever taught me what "chałupa" means but I've heard "хaлyпa" a million times). Loanwords from German/French/Latin are more problematic.

> Sapkowski is not too good of an author
I agree, the only reason I started with him is that I read the Witcher books as a child and could fall back on general memory of the synopsis.

> Lem (don't pick up Cyberiad though) or Tokarczuk
Will do, thanks!

>>23083496
I know the controversial "general consensus" derived from the press and the inconsistency with the source material, that's why I chose "or" instead of "and". but really I think it's biased and an open mind is needed to
>her whorish attitude is somewhat glorified
not in one bit, although it may seem so because the story follows her character with clearly stated romantic dreams at the beginning so the viewer automatically associates her with a cliché heroine.
>muh patriarchy
again, biased. most of the physical harm Jagna experiences and the whole ostracism arc is done by women or is a direct result of Jagna's own choices - cheating, unrealistic desires. during the final scenes men only hold her while it's the babushkas who planned everything, deliver the beating, tear her clothes etc.
>stupid men
some men are stupid, especially uneducated superstitious peasants, so? the same could be said for "Szkice Węglem", but we shouldn't treat it as a critique of educated, middle-class society. the movie doesn't spare backward thinking in women too, as I pointed. I think actually Boryna is presented much more noble (with a fast pacing, we see quickly see his much-needed role as a leader of the rebellion and "somewhat of a Piast descendant" - strong rule over his domain in unforgiving times) while Jagna stays in her old ways, tries to defend herself by recalling men she cheated on and learns nothing, much like in Barry Lyndon.

I know the controversial "general consensus" derived from the press and the inconsistency with the source material, that's why I chose "or" instead of "and". but really I think it's biased and an open mind is needed to keep your opinion closer to the source, which obviously is old and set in a completely different social environment
>her whorish attitude is somewhat glorified
not in one bit, although it may seem so because the story follows her character with clearly stated romantic dreams at the beginning so the viewer automatically associates her with a cliché heroine.
>muh patriarchy
again, biased. most of the physical harm Jagna experiences and the whole ostracism arc is done by women or is a direct result of Jagna's own choices - cheating, unrealistic desires. during the final scenes men only hold her while it's the babushkas who spread gossip (which men openly regard as "unmanly" when one of the villagers tries to do so in some scene), they also plan everything, deliver the beating, tear her clothes, ostracize her etc.
>stupid men
some men are stupid, especially uneducated superstitious peasants. the same could be said for "Szkice Węglem", but we shouldn't treat it as a critique of educated, middle-class society. the movie presents those "raw" tendencies in women too, as I pointed - and they should be called "raw", not "evil" because they come from a sense of justice and maybe even good intentions, it's the form of punishment which is too visual and seem backward for our times. the viewer must also remember the close-knit nature of a village. I think actually Boryna is presented much more noble (with a fast pacing, we see quickly see his much-needed role as a leader of the rebellion and "somewhat of a Piast descendant" - strong rule over his domain in unforgiving times) while Jagna stays in her old ways, tries to defend herself by recalling men she cheated on and essentially learns nothing, much like in Barry Lyndon.

Leading Polish Enlightenment authors included

Ignacy Krasicki (1735–1801)
>Poland's leading Enlightenment poet ("the Prince of Poets
>his role in Polish poetry may be compared to that of Alexander Pope in English poetry

Jan Potocki (1761–1815)
>opus is his novel, The Manuscript Found in Saragossa

>>23083211
>It's a big country in the middle of Europe
No, Indonesia isn't in Europe, but it is a big country.

>>23084902
you australian or something?

>>23083426
I don't have the anti curse cat image on my phone but I posted it in another potentiality so it applies. Now kys

>>23084915
Quite, I don't understand how people can misperceive the Indonesian flag.

>people recommending sapkowski

lmao it's like someone recommends you grrm for english literature.

lem is good

>>23083426
Gematria for 2308 and 3426, respectively:

"The holy bible will crack the matrix," and "abortion pill sewer fetus harvest matrix."

Don't listen to anything this anon says; this is perfect protection against him.

>>23085542
thanx

>>23085410
just to be clear, the witcher isn't everything and not even the best he's written, that would be the trilogy. that said, i can't imagine the translations being any good as a major portion of its appeal lies in the language used, historical and cultural references and such
also wanted to recommend
>dukaj
>zajdel
who probably wouldn't lose much in translations, but those mostly do not exist as far as i know and so i guess it's for pole anons only

>>23083211
Lots of analytic philosophy because of Germanophobia

>>23083211
Lem, duh.

>>23083426
Can't hurt me.

>>23083426

You are an asshole.

Pozegnanie Jesieni

best poem ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlxcGZStvXA

>>23088236
Her lips are gigantic wtf

>>23083211
It's so weird that nobody has mentioned Mysliwski so far, arguably the best Polish writer alive. For some reason he has been totally overlooked abroad.

>>23084838
>Potocki
he kinda French
>>23088554
because no one cares about an old prick writing about anachronistic Polish villages

>>23088661
>Potocki
>he kinda French
I'd consider him Polish, though he was a huge mutt culturally, but that was really common among 18-19th century nobles. Both his parents were Poles, he came from the Polish nobility, he was raised in Switzerland so he most likely forgot how to speak Polish well and didn't feel comfortable writing in the language. He was in the Polish government for a while though. Nothing French about him outside the language.

His works don't apply as Polish literature though since he didn't write in Polish. Same goes for Joseph Conrad.

Most of it is really hermetic, you will never understand "the wedding" by Wyspiański or "Forefathers Eve" by Mickiewicz and so on.

My favourite book from my country is "a world apart" by G.H Grudziński, a really good book about the Soviet Gulags, being the modern equivalent of Dostoyevsky "memories from the house of the dead".

>>23083426

>>23083211
>It's a big country

For you

>>23083211
Check out this book:
Contemporary Toilet Cleaning

>>23085542
be blessed

>>23083211
Their poets are highly respected, specially Herbert and Milosz.

>>23083211
Greenland?

>>23083347
Who drink shames anymore? This is the mark of a professional.

almost all the notable literary figures from poland are writers so its all mostly lost in translations

Prus's The Doll is the only thing I'd really reccomend

jerzy pilch writes neat bukowski styled novels

Kapuściński is one of most interesting fact writers you can read, he's got great books journaling USSR and Africa during their many revolts in late XX century

lots of good Holocaust books (A World Apart. A Memoir of the Gulag, Medallions, Black Torrent)

>>23083496
There's already a very accurate adaptation from the 70's if you're interested in that, the new one is a reinterpretation and is good anyway.

>>23083436
>Bruno Schulz
Based and femdompilled

Be honest with me bros. If I'm planning to learn a Slavic language is it worthwhile from a literary sense to choose Polish over the obvious choice of Russian? I like the sound of the language and I greatly enjoyed reading Quo Vadis in English, but I'm afraid of falling for a meme.

>>23096351
No.
t. Pole

>>23083426

>>23096351
Not really, no. Despite the fact that we use latin alphabet, polish is reputed to be harder to learn for westerners. We have some very good literature, but is that alone worth that hassle?

>>23096355
fair enough

>>23097008
if anything that's a plus, i'm a language weirdo anyway and don't mind some crunchy grammar.

>>23083211
Sławomir Mrożek

>>23093175
>lots of good Holocaust books A World Apart. A Memoir of the Gulag
>holocaust

>>23096351
The world needs more Polish speakers, anon

>>23096351
With Russian almost all the great works are novels that have been translated multiple times.

With Polish most of the great works are written in verse and have never been translated.

Make your choice.

>>23096351
i had a polish gf once
she hated polish and hated russian too but had learned serbian all by herself
she was a bit of an autist, she had never even been to serbia
all poles are insane