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my diary desu

>>23069535
You live on bux?

>>23069540
Yes. I quit my job 4 years ago and have been neeting since. Not sure I'd recommend it. Looking for an escape that doesn't involve me returning back to work.

>>23069532
Was it you that posted the Incel/Hikki/NEET thread the other day? Why are you so interested?

>>23069567
Because it's rare to find a actual book about those people and their live experience, neve found one exclusively about NEETs, beside Welcome to NHK

>>23069532
SHE KILLED BILLIONS. DON'T FALL FOR IT /LIT/.

i'm 26 and never worked a day in my life, why do you care?

>>23069592
I'm sure a lot more things about the lifestyle will come soon, seeing how millions are doing it now

>>23069592
Most of them can barely function, don't read in any meaningful sense, and kill themselves before they are 40. My generation is full of them and I was a NEET on and off for a while myself. It's fucking grim but not in a way that you can turn into a novel. It's a side character that dies in the second act.

>>23069654
Nuhuh. See >>23069657
That book has romance, gangster shootouts and a pimp with one testicle. Very novel worthy.

>>23069657
>it's a black women on welfare

Like pottery

>>23069654
I Can actually create a quiet funny stories about a NEET having a epic day as he tries to go to his welfare office while he meets every type of funny colorful character on the way, you nigga need to be creative.

>>23069654
I'm gonna kill myself. Nobody ever gave a shit about me. I'm an incel and thats evil. I'm a bad person yaddayadda I get it. I can't figure out this living thing and nobody taught me. I'm expected to keep smiling knowing full well everything I've missed and will never have? Fuck that

>>23069679
Because the welfare office is s really depressing place. There is no whitewashed poverty colorful characters. The people behind the desk aren't even any better than the recipients. The most you'll be privy too is all the beaucratic bullying and stonewalling going on. Like a poor white kid getting bullied and harranged by some harlot behind the desk when he's trying to sign up for work and training programs. Likely racial as the woman was black.

>>23069683
Have you considered buying a hooker or sleeping with gay men so you stop being an incel?

>>23069699
That's not the point. And I'd rather die.

>>23069704
Have you considered seeing a mental health professionals to help you figure out how to adult?

>>23069699
Cope, hookerceling is a cope and that guy will be virtually a virgin.

>>23069709
I am not mentally ill.

>>23069679
Megg Mogg and Owl already did it better. And >>23069698 is right, it's a grim kind of funny at best. When we talk about books, we're usually talking about novels and the novel has some expectations and conventions that most NEETs don't meet as the subject. They're an unfortunate friend that ODs in the second at, or a sibling that has to be put into care when dad dies and mom is too arthritic to make tendies any more.

>>23069713
Nigga, you want to kill yourself. Call it whatever you want but that's the kind of thing psychiatrists are for.

>>23069710
So he could go date a 300lbs 40 years old single mother, the female equivalent of incels.

How has nobody posted this yet?

>>23069725
I am not mentally ill. I don't buy into the idea that if you're sad there's something wrong with you. I'll take the simple logic. If you're sad maybe its because you have a bad life.

>>23069725
Nobody said that the guy need to date a land whale monster with kids, you're projecting, and hookerceling is a form of cope, hooker doesn't want you like a real female would.

>>23069734
Okay, sure. You still want to kill yourself. Maybe you should try to do something to fix that instead of accepting it as inevitable.

>>23069734
Your parents are broken retards and probably literally autistic and now you want to kill yourself because they're horrible people who never said anything good or made you feel truly loved or valuable. Move out and move on with life. Just don't have kids.

>>23069725
>300lbs 40 year old single mother
Why are you trying to push him further to suicide?
Although I suppose your assuming he's just that bad. It makes people uncomfortable when "incels" are just totally normal fit young men who could even be handsome and have likable personalities.

>>23069737
Ok bye
>>23069741
I don't live with my parents. I moved out at 18.
>don't have kids
I want to

>>23069747
>I want to
That's how you ended up walking the earth, that pretty close to 1 chance of another you existing is something you should practice with a loaded revolver first.

>>23069753
I will have descendents one way or another.

>>23069743
Stacies only date men with money, charisma or top tier looks and he would rather mope about than work at making himself desirable to such a woman. Normal fit young men aren't on welfare.

>>23069766
Fat

>>23069532
Not a book but Meantime by Mike Leigh is very good

>>23069592
Are you looking for generally anything about people on the margins of society? I guess books about addicts and the homeless would be plentiful and useful to that end.
If you're looking more for the NEET/Hikki type, it's rare because NEETs aren't interesting, and most don't have the motivation to write. If there were a true-to-life novel about NEETdom, it would likely be one of the most boring texts ever written, with its only saving grace perhaps being the monologue and musings of a depressed hikki.

I'd say the more useful thing to explore would be the emotional and mental factors that lead to the NEET lifestyle. The novel "No Longer Human" does this well, I would say. Although the author is not a NEET, not a virgin, and ostensibly has little outwardly in common with NEETs, the fact that most of the depressed loners here identify with the main character, Oba Yozo, says enough. One can imagine that, if given the proper environment, Oba Yozo would have chosen to simply rot alone, with no friends or family, and the main character of Welcome to the NHK may have turned out more like Oba Yozo, if he were to have had the same social pressures.
A lot of NEETs may have started off employed, but due to various emotional factors combined with societal conditions that support isolation, they have been led to their current position. Getting out of this is almost impossible, because the kind of person that becomes a NEET is already extremely avoidant and prone to "stubborness." It's why Welcome to the NHK is so popular with NEETs: it shows a wild fantasy where someone rips them out of their life of isolation. Without some sort of external force, the intensely massive inertia of isolation is nearly impossible to overcome.

I used to be a NEET but now I'm employed at home— I'm functionally the same as a NEET. I went through a period of homelessness that got me out of isolation, I got "friends," I got romantic interest from women, I even got employment. But persistent feelings of alienation, anxiety, and an inability to actually connect with people made the experience not only just as isolating as being isolated, but perhaps more so. So it is that I just gave up on all of it, and now I'm in my current state of affairs.

If I had to pick one book that really captured the mental landscape of a NEET, it would be No Longer Human, so if you want, you should read that. Another might be Confessions of a Mask, but it requires really trying to look past what other people tend to say about it.

>>23069792
I found that while the factors he lists in No Longer Human are true to some degree, the narrator also has a choice and chooses to be a massive piece of shit time and time again, wondering why things get worse every time. I guess being an emotional nigger is on brand for NEETs and other dregs who have deep issues, but the total lack of awareness that you see on /r9k/ where they refuse to take any responsibility at all for any part of their current or future situation is front and center in that book. Maybe it is better than I thought, but I did not identify with it.

Confessions was great.

>>23069766
>calibrate your entire being around women
If you ain't got it, you ain't got it

>>23069799
> the narrator also has a choice and chooses to be a massive piece of shit time and time again.
Oba Yozo's evil comes from an inability to take control of a situation. The only part that I feel I didn't relate to at all was his treatment of his wife near the end, but his general estrangement and distancing himself is very realistic. I've abandoned people many times out of a fear of hurting them, and of course, how terrifying the feeling of responsibility when you doubt your ability to help or not hurt someone. From their perspective, I know, I appeared to be nothing more than selfish, callous, and aloof. It makes me feel extremely guilty, I know what I did was wrong, but it feels as if I would have done worse not committing abandonment. That's how I related with Yozo anyway.

>>23069851
I can see that, I just never interpreted what he did as any kind of schizoid defense, withdrawing from the threat of pain and embarrassment that comes with being genuine and responsible. I related to the fact that he presents a funny shell but there was some disparity between Yozo's actions and his interpretation of them and Daizai's own life and my own life that sent me in a different direction looking for meaning.

>>23069654
Depending on what OP means by marginal people, it's true of them as well. White trash hillbillies in Appalachia aren't writing books. There are books about them, but it's not literature. That life doesn't yield literature. It gets a Harmony Kornine movie at best.

anons are interpreting neet to only count the ones who do it because they're depressed or lazy, not the schizos who legitimately can't work. There's a just-right level of schizophrenic on medication who lives neet lifestyle and can write really well

>>23070442
Example?

>>23069802
>if you aren't naturally great at everything you should

Do you even hear yourself? Nobody is naturally great. If Jeremy Meeks ate potato chips until he was 400 pounds and spent his life playing world of warcraft he wouldn't be getting laid either.

>>23069802
>if you aren't naturally great at everything you should just give up and commit seppuku

Do you even hear yourself? Nobody is naturally great. If Jeremy Meeks ate potato chips until he was 400 pounds and spent his life playing world of warcraft he wouldn't be getting laid either.

>>23070442
>legitimately can't work.
Severe social aversion can make it so you'd rather be homeless than work. I'm >>23069792 and my period of being out in society was only through a government sponsored program for the mentally ill, and for a year. I tried to KMS because of the intense pressure of socialization and I didn't have any way out. A schizophrenic can sometimes work wagie jobs but they'll eventually lose it due to inappropriate behavior (I've been around medicated schizophrenics and full-blown psycho tier schizophrenics). The two are functionally identical as far as integration into the workforce. :/

What a shit thread this has been.

>>23069532
That could be a few Aussie novels. Monkey Grip by Helen Garner maybe? He Died With a Falafel in his Hand? If he meant Boy Swallows Universe then avoid it like the fucking plague. Most embarrassing excuse of a published novel I've touched in my entire life.

>>23069532
My gf looks like that. What mean?

>>23070879
Stop fucking stuffed animals?

>>23069802
If women aren’t attracted to you your being is uncalibrated. You should use women to calibrate your being unironically. That’s like saying calibrate your entire being around people… if you aren’t calibrated towards people you are just… uncalibrated

>>23070892
Holy normies
So this is the power of the normie

>>23069532
No, there are none. Why don't you go write something? Write a poem.

>>23069532
Someone explain this plushie to me. I've been seeing it everywhere lately.

>>23071632
White men dream

>>23071632

>>23069532
Ham and Rye is good. I think at one point Bukowski is visiting a friend living in a black neighborhood and the black kids had cut holes in his walls to steel stuff from him.

>>23071694
Cute T____T
Bros... It hurts...

bumperino

>>23069532
child of god

>>23069532
Life at the bottom by Theodore Dalrymple.

>>23070940
On these clouded days I sit and wretched fantasize
That only love could quell this burning in my heart—
And yet I know these are no more than hopeful lies,
For nothing on this Earth could bid me to depart
That tender, loving thing— my restful solitude.

If Heaven were to give a lover solemn sent—
Were love to set me free I'd nothing but deplore;
For neither honey's sweet nor flower's summer scent
Could pry me from that long-held comfort I adore—
That wretched, hated thing— my bitter solitude.

Give me a masterlist of all books about NEETs, hikkis, incels, welfars people!

>>23072710
The Glass Castle by Jeannette Walls: A memoir of growing up in a dysfunctional family with an alcoholic father and a mentally ill mother, who moved from place to place and lived in poverty and homelessness.

The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison: A novel that explores the effects of racism, poverty, and sexual abuse on a young black girl who wishes to have blue eyes and white skin.

The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath: A semi-autobiographical novel that depicts the mental breakdown and suicide attempt of a talented young woman who struggles with depression and societal expectations.

The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian by Sherman Alexie: A young adult novel that follows the life of a Native American teenager who leaves his reservation to attend an all-white high school, facing discrimination, bullying, and identity issues.

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou: The first volume of the acclaimed autobiography of a black woman who overcomes the trauma of childhood rape, racism, and poverty, and discovers her passion for literature and activism.

The Perks of Being a Wallflower by Stephen Chbosky: A coming-of-age novel that chronicles the letters of a shy and introverted high school freshman who deals with his friend’s suicide, his own sexual abuse, and his mental health issues.

The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon: A mystery novel that features a 15-year-old boy with autism spectrum disorder, who investigates the death of his neighbor’s dog and uncovers secrets about his family and himself.

The House on Mango Street by Sandra Cisneros: A collection of vignettes that depict the experiences of a young Latina girl who grows up in a poor and crowded neighborhood in Chicago, and dreams of a better life.

Girl, Interrupted by Susanna Kaysen: A memoir of the author’s 18-month stay in a psychiatric hospital in the 1960s, where she meets other women with various mental disorders and challenges the stigma and stereotypes of mental illness.

Evicted by Matthew Desmond: A Pulitzer Prize-winning book that reveals the devastating consequences of eviction and housing insecurity on the lives of eight families in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

The Hate U Give by Angie Thomas: A young adult novel that tackles the issues of racism, police brutality, and social justice, as a black girl witnesses the fatal shooting of her unarmed friend by a white police officer.

>>23069699
>Have you considered buying a hooker
literally wouldn't be an incel then

>>23072737
HOOKERCELING ISN'T REAL SEX!

REPEAT AFTER ME!

HOOKERCLEING ISN'T REAL SEX

HOOKERCLEING ISN'T REAL SEX

>>23072736
>bell jar
>welfare, neet, hikki or incel

Kek

>>23072747
I thought the list was closer to OP's interest

Lot of japanese comics cover this for reasons unknown to me, though I belive its something to do with the historical popularity of i-novels (confessional style novels) like no longer human posted above.
Anyways the man without talent might interest you OP.

>>23072899
Where did you discover pic related? A direct search or by accident?

>>23069532
Life at the Bottom

>>23072744
This. Even rape is more legitimate.

>>23073650
cringe

>>23069592
Convenience store woman is NOT a book centered around a person living on the fringes of society but there's a major character that fits the bill. You'll know who I'm talking about, the character is basically an /r9k/ dweller.

>>23069673
>a black women
>a women
You're on /lit/, do you actually read? you meant
>a woman
>a WOMAN
>singular = woman
>plural = women

>>23074531
>>23069673
>pottery
>not "poetry"
baka my head

>>23069931
Suttree? Child of God?

>>23069532
Oblomov kinda, he lived the neetest of lives but had inherited wealth

>>23069654
>It's fucking grim but not in a way that you can turn into a novel.

It's fucking grim to live in the world where, with only few exceptions, only dull normies, selfish psychopaths and graphomaniac hacks can get well-received and published. So general literary taste and trends are formed not by any true literary merits, but in spite of them. Just some go-getters boost their ego through promoting their scrawls and you eagerly lap it up. It is grim to imagine how many never-published, never-written or just forgotten truly great pieces of writing there have been throughout history, simply because they are buried under the fame of the unworthy.

>>23073607
One of the few manga translated i to Slovene and of the few manga stocked by the library closest to me.

>>23074717
>neets are boring
>REEEEEE NORMIES
boring.

>>23071694
ewww...peak noodle slurper face

>>23074526
Le convince store woman is le /R9k/ dweller
Nope

>>23073607
>Where did you discover pic related? A direct search or by accident?
Just by being generally aware of english manga releases in general. This in particular is part of NYRB's comics classic line though.