/lit/ - Literature

>>23013843
What was the attitude of Germans towards alcohol during that time?

>>23013849
>Germans are stupid because of...beer
Also ludovici translation kind of sucks

>>23013843
>>23013862
Damn, based.

What if I choose to acquire the pleasure of drinking through an act of my unfettered master morality? Checkmate dork.

>Nietzsche himself drank only water – and as a special treat, milk or coffee.

>>23013862
Which book is this in?

>>23013965
Fucking based

You know you're lacking brain cells when you're afraid of losing them with alcohol.

>>23014041
Twilight of idols

>>23013843
Reminder that Nietzsche was high on opium while writing his major works and would write himself fake prescriptions for drugs.

>>23013843
Yes, alcohol is bad for you.
t. alcoholic
Inb4 moderate drinking. Even under the best of circumstances, abstaining from drink is still preferable to drinking. Alcohol is toxic to every single organ in the body and it disrupts your endocrine system

You have to be German to understand this.
The sheer ignorance and retardation of the rabble whose only "culture" is destroying what's left of their brain as a reward for their lowly work and at the same a measure to keep them complacent slaves estranges anyone of the slightest distinguishment immediately and permanently.

>>23014133
and your source is?

>>23013862
Hes less a philosopher and more just an angry guy

>>23014101
this, my main argument FOR drinking is that I need to burn a few braincells

>>23014205
He's a pretty good read, especially his early essays on Greeks like Homer's contest / Birth of Tragedy / Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks. Nietzsche can be very poetic and his writings upset a lot of German hellenists who had made Greek literature a little more popular but had a myopic modern view of Greeks. Other than that, I haven't read Zarathustra or Will to Power, which are much harder reads.

>you should be a Dionysian
>but also you shouldn't drink or have sex, thats le hecking immoral!

>>23014320
The German inside of him was at war with his love of Greek literature.

>>23014205
Philosophers are just men. So were the authors of every religious text in history. Crazy, right?

>>23013843
How is this even up for debate? Obviously, it's bad for you. It's literally poison.

>>23014205

>and more just an angry guy

literally all philosophers

>>23014205
he's literally me fr

>>23014342
So are magic mushrooms, but we would have never made it out of the caves without them.

>>23014133
>>23014434
Retarded speculative theory. "Yeah bro we were monkeys then we ate magic shrooms and suddenly we became self conscious and smart." If the hippie movement taught us anything it's that shrooms make people more retarded.

>>23014641
Meant only to reply to the post above even though the other one is just as dumb kek

>>23013843
>syphilis and simping is good for you
fuck off nerd

>>23013843
>According to an anecdote, Bruckner and Wagner drank so much beer together that, upon arriving home, Bruckner realized he had forgotten which symphony Wagner had chosen. He wrote a letter back to Wagner saying "Symphony in D minor, where the trumpet begins the theme?" Wagner scribbled back "Yes! Best wishes! Richard Wagner."
>After this, Wagner often referred to Bruckner as "Bruckner the trumpet" and the two became firm friends. In the dedication, Bruckner referred to Wagner as "the unreachable world-famous noble master of poetry and music".

>>23013965
Basodo. Sugar kills you. Water helps you survive. Milk is great if you can digest it. I'll get more books from him soon.

>>23013862
>>23015010
>beer-drinker
>christian
>german
The mere existence of Wagner refutes Nietzsche.

>>23015093
Wagner seems more fun than Nietzsche. At least some of his operas are enjoyable.

>>23014434
It was the only way Plato made it out of the cave.

>>23013862
Bugman opinion

>>23014342
>it's literally poison
Alcohol has been around since prehistoric times. Wouldn't even be that crazy to say we literally evolved to drink it.

>>23013862
Muslims agree

>>23015093
When you read into it most of Nietzsche's philosophy is coping and seething over the fact he isn't Wagner.

>>23015010
Eternal reminder that Wagner's Ring was the original MCU and he laid the groundwork for populist art.

>>23017058
what wagnerfags don't wanna hear is that his legacy is being denounced as an irrelevant anti-semite and also destroying art forever for creating proto-hollywood productions

That's the one thing I've noticed with religion and people like Nietzsche- they don't like the idea of drinking, or at least abusing it... I can't get white-boy wasted anymore because I'm too old now.

>>23017058
>>23017061
Yeah Greek tragedy and Homer, totally not populist....

You people only show how little you know about music, poetry and opera to think Wagner ruined art. The Hollywood bastardisation of the leitmotif is such an insignificant development in art history, it shows that blaming Wagner for ruining art just comes down to cliches.

>>23017058
>>23017061
Yeah Greek tragedy and Homer, totally not populist.... You people only show how little you know about music, poetry and opera to think Wagner ruined art. There's nothing to say great art can't also be popular. Shakespeare was popular in his day. The Hollywood bastardisation of the leitmotif is such an insignificant development in art history, that relying on it to blame Wagner for ruining art means there's nothing to actually blame Wagner for. It's just classic anti-Wagnerism.

>>23014641
>>23014643
Spoken like a true virgin.

>>23017065
Nietzsche was just the original incel chud who was mad that people were having fun.

>>23017285
Shrooms only work for people who can lie to themselves and act like the random shit that passed through their brain while they were high was actually profound and not just their sensory perception taking a shit

>>23017290
The scientist who discovered the DNA double helix structure was tripping on acid when he first envisioned it. You're retarded and you don't know what you're talking about.

Damn I didn't know this nigga was an incel.. he was no ubermensch eh?

>>23017341
incels are the ubermenschen

>>23017305
Retarded druggies will ride the Mullis and crick examples down to the bone while they fry their brains to come up with straight stoner tier wisdom.

>>23017351
>mushrooms can't lead to massive advances in knowledge
>oh, you're gonna just bring up the times where they inarguably did? well fuck you, druggie
I accept your full and unconditional surrender.

>>23017354
>2 people came up with advances on lsd decades ago
>surely this is statistically sufficient evidence to cite over and over again as i drug myself into a vegetative state so that i can see wiggling colors on my wall

>>23017359
You lost. It's over. You're only embarrassing yourself now.

>>23017360
>you're wrong cause uh i said so!
damn better go open up some new neural pathways my man

>>23017361
You're wrong because I pointed out factual evidence that you are wrong, you fat fucking retard.

>>23017365
and i responded to that as the cope it is and then you started chimping out, which i guess makes sense with the stoned ape theory you're proposing

>>23017371
>and i responded to that as the cope it is
It's not cope, it's evidence, you fucking moron. Psychedelics open the doors of perception. You wouldn't know, because you won't even open the door to go outside your house. Die a virgin, you immensely retarded faggot.

>>23017375
Dude you sound crazy perceptive and open, not at all like a mad little sperg who just got told doing drugs all day isn't gonna make him wise

>>23017379
>blah blah blah I'm gay
k keep me posted

>>23017381
I bask in your wisdom master, truly I stand before one of the enlightened.

>>23017384
You lost this exchange here >>23017305
everything after has just been a series of concessions.

>>23017389
Oh great master, fear not, your message has been heeded. I will continue to spread the message of great Crick-san of the year 1953 as a relevant and revealing example to all who question why my master does little more than get high and post on 4chan in his search for greater wisdom and vaster planes of perception.

>>23017399
I'm glad you finally understand what a retarded faggot you've been, and I accept your implicit apology. Now go kill yourself.

>>23017405
Of course master, of course. And I go willingly, for if the doors of perception first revealed to us by the great Crick-san have shown you this is the way things must be then I am no more able to question it than a fish is able to question the course of the flowing river. Goodbye beloved master!

>>23017411
Goodbye, niggerfaggot-san. I'll immediately forget you, like everyone else you've every met, including your own family.

>>23013965
Reality.
>>23013843
Projection.

Slave drugs: Alcohol, Weed
King drugs: Stimulants, Opiates

>>23017341
He was the original looksmaxxing volcel

>>23017411
You got destroyed

>>23017341
He cute

>>23014205
So...a philosopher?

>>23017289
Except he literally promoted the idea of affirming life, laughing and having fun.

>>23017844
>live love laugh

>>23017289
Except he literally promoted the idea of affirming life, laughing and having fun.

>>23017351
retarded longhoused schoolmarms will do anything to stick to CIA propaganda

>>23017399
>>23017411

I accept your transition

>>23014903
N didn't have syphilis (it was a brain tumor) and never simped.
>b-but Lou Salome!
He proposed to her before even meeting her, proposed 2 more times, then told both her and Paul to fuck off.

>>23018121
>and i do declare he never once did simp! he never simped!

>>23018136
/ourlad/ Nietzsche never once brought shame to his family, though he had many detractors who made the attempt.

Discounting degenerates who drink liquor straight from the bottle around the clock, alcohol is not particularly bad on an individual level, even if you drink daily. It increases your risk of myriad diseases, but these diseases are still to a much larger extent determined by genetics.

>>23018513
All things are fine in moderation. I've smoked crack and didn't go out and rob anyone. It's just that a lot of people can't handle their shit.

>>23018513
It just doesn't taste good.

>>23018527
This, except for Guinness. That shit is like chocolate milk.

>>23017290
You admitted it yourself just now, it [the drug] shows you that the existence of reality is not what you might have imagined previously. That is almost by definition leaving the cave.

>>23017469
They’re only king drugs if the user is strong-willed and intelligent.

>>23018644
This is true of psychedelics too, though. You get out of them what you put in.

>>23018527
>I don't like it so nobody does!

>>23018644
Correct hence why they're called king drugs. Slaves can't handle them lmao.

>>23013843
nigga they had to drink it otherwise they were more likely to die from dysentary from pathogen. alcohol served a true purpose before germ theory.
after germ theory... thats another story *clinks glass*

>>23017777
checked

>>23013843
Based. Drinking is for trannies

>>23013843
more like you lack the aristocratic will to control yourself, and if you try a vice, it will inevitably consume you