/lit/ - Literature

None of these are white so I'm afraid none of them qualify as philosophical.

>>22977508
I'm whiter than all of them. Even the white people. Would you listen to me?

>>22977496
Chinese, Taoist especially.

>>22977496
Confucianism and Legalism are gay. Agriculturalism is literally communism. Taoism is kino.

>>22977496
I feel like Indian is the best but it is also the least accesible.

I have yet to find any guide for a jumping point into Vedic literature; there are just mountains and mountains of it and it all seems to be in very amorphous cross-genre forms and depend upon itself in very difficult ways. I kind of want to start with the Bhagavata Purana, but I don't know if it'll be over my head as someone who knows literally fucking nothing about the Vedic tradition.

>>22977508
Based. Although Musashi is white and easily mogs the three of OP

>>22977496
I think it's fairly obvious Indian > Chinese >> Islamic.

The Islamic is still one of greatest cultures on Earth but it doesn't compare with the achievements of the deeper East.

>China
Communist hellhole
>India
filthy hellhole
>Islam
religious dictatorship hellholes
Conclusion: they're all shit

>>22977895
This is a stupid argument lol. The question has nothing to do with their current situation. Also, communism isn't Chinese, it's western Europe. Chinese and Indian philosophy has a lot to offer, throw away your prejudices and actually read something for once. I haven't really read any Islamic philosophical works, but I would like to soon.

>>22977904
The "value" of their "philosophy" can be seen in how they live. And they live like vermin.

>>22977908
So you think that every Chinese/Indian person follows Chinese/Indian philosophy? The utter retardation in this post is real. Do you also count trannification and nigger worship as part of the Western canon philosophy? Judging the ideas of a select group of people, or a person in a specific time of history to the modern-day majority is mind-bogglingly retarded.

>>22977929
The entire Chinese nation is a Communist hellhole. The entire Indian nation is a filthy hellhole. Islamic countries are religious dictatorship hellholes. The tranny/nigger worship you speak of only happens in large, Democrat-run cities, and is directly caused by cultural Marxism.

>>22977944
You just contradicted yourself retard. By your beliefs, anything said at any point of history in these "democratic-run cities" is automatically invalid.

>>22977496
Indian philosophy is the only one I've any familiarity with. It is interesting and good though.
However I've always heard golden age Islamic philosophy is shockingly good. Should I bother with it?

>>22977729
It’s great for metaphysics but it tends to get super complicated

>>22977908
The reason they "live like vermin" is largely that their traditional cultures were dismantled by colonialism and their current cultures are practical reactions against this development. For example, Mao ushering in the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution had nothing to do with some deep admiration for communism, which is why it never bothered with being ideologically pure, even remotely. It was a purely pragmatic reaction against western imperialism and an attempt at rebuilding China as a sovereign for the modern Era. Which it achieved. My point being that these developments aren't the exponents of any traditional Chinese philosophical system but of the resolve of the Chinese not to become dominated by forces outside of China and a total, borderline amoral pragmatic commitment to getting it done.
Which I think is a tragedy really as traditional China was a beautiful and interesting place. They are bringing back some of the cultural elements that were lost now that they're in a more secure position, but empire posions all that it touches and as they grow more and more imperial those cultural remnants will reappear as little more than tokenisms.

The modern worlds cultures are a reaction against itself and to understand any of them as the ideological exponents of traditionalist is too reductive.

>>22977969
Based on your last response, calling me "retard" is projection. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make.

>>22977997
>Great Leap Forward
That led to mass starvation. Were you trying to frame it as a positive development? I can't even believe you brought it up.

>>22978034
No. I wasn't framing it as positive or negative. I was analyzing it through the series of causes and effects that brought it about, and the end goal it was done in service of. In other words, I was trying to understand it.

>>22978031
Chinese = communist hellhole
Therefore everything ever said in China is bad.
Democratic-run cities practice trannification and nigger-worship.
Therefore, anything said by anyone who ever lived in that geographical location = bad.

>>22978031
China = communist hellhole
Therefore everything ever said in China is bad.
Democratic-run cities practice trannification and nigger-worship.
Therefore, anything said by anyone who ever lived in that geographical location = bad.

>>22978046
Let me try explaining it this way...if Chinese philosophy had any worth, we'd see it reflected in China. Instead, they went Communist, and China is now a Communist hellhole. And I can't comment on what people in Democrat-run cities believed before they fell to cultural Marxism, but then again, you brought that up.

>>22978046
The West sucks and is degrading into a spiritual and cultural wasteland.
Therefore everything it ever did is shit.
By your logic

>>22978044
Well, China sure showed their colonizers, huh? They're doing SO fabulously well under Communism. They'll probably be re-colonized after their massive financial collapse, and I hope it's the Japanese and Koreans, and not the Russians.

>>22978063
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>22978063
No, only Democrat-run cities, and it's because they turned away from traditional Western values, and adopted cultural Marxism. They're paying for it now, even if they're unable to admit it to themselves.

>>22978071
No, that anon just has really twisted, irrelevant logic.

>>22978061
They ended up as a communist hellhole because they abandoned their traditional values. I was just pointing out how hypocritical it was for you to say that China being a communist hellhole makes its entire history irrelevant while you just brushed off the Western decadence easily by attributing it to democratic-run cities.
>>22978063
What are you talking about, retard. Either you replied to the wrong post, or you're brain dead.

>>22977496
Chinese.

>>22977732
>Musashi is white
You "white" obsessed retards have truly gone full retard.

>>22978071
>>22978086
Oh, no I didn't reply to the wrong post, but I didn't go far back enough in the chain of response to see the point you were making. Which was basically the same as mine.
My apologies

>>22977496
Chinese most comfy
Indian best if you’re a serious metaphysician
Islamic best if you’re an /x/fag or a chud

>>22977908
>he thinks the common man lives by philosophy

>>22978031
Holy shit, you're a fucking imbecile. Kill yoursef you worthless muttoid

>>22978069
>Well, China sure showed their colonizers, huh? They're doing SO fabulously well under Communism.
They are lmao

>>22978069
I'm not arguing whether or not they're doing well or whatever, I'm not making a value judgement. I'm not interested in if I think it's good or bad.
The goal China had in mind was not to become subsumed under western hegemony, not a commitment to communism, that's clear from analyzing their actions and their words. And to a certain extent, they've done it, although, in another aspect they're still dependent on a litany of forces, because they depend on globalism, and the west largely controls the dynamics behind globalism.
The confrontation that's happening today is largely about challenges to that idea of the west being the authority behind globalism, not just via China, but from a lot of nations who were essentially colonized in the past.
Idk what will happen in the future but I'm pretty ambivalent. Humans could solve every problem they have right now, but refuse to, so idrc about any of these trifles beyond analyzing them. I'm not saying China or the West is right or wrong I'm just telling you how we got here and why things have been done this way.
The West is as cruel and hypocritical and China is, it's all political game playing, morality is the Universal Law, self contained cultures were ruptured by a secular system of materialism, thus Law has been lost throughout much of the world, without it, the world itself is lost.
Idrc about these things beyond how I can use them to elucidate the Law.

>>22978073
>Democrat run cities.
Look at this rancid, worthless muttoid. He cannot adjust their views outside of an American-centered frame. He also cannot fathom anything deeper in political/philosophical discussions than 'Democrats vs Republicans.' Why are you even wasting your time (and ours) on this board? You clearly never read anything besides worthless posts on social media and /pol/; you're a mindless rat

>>22977496
imagine taking advice from someone that doesn't have a driver's license. haha fuck off sand niggers.

>>22977496
Islamic philosophy is too broad. You have isma'ili neoplatonism, islamic aristotelianism and the mu'tazila school, akbarism, ash'arism/kalam, illuminationism, and sadra's transcendent theosophy. If you count all of these, then Islamic philosophy is superior, but only because of the concepts it borrowed from the Greeks.

>>22977496
Does anyone have a chart for Taoist literature?

>>22978108
>>22978141
>mindless seething
I accept your concession.

>>22978112
Yeah, China is doing just great.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/china-pummeled-dire-deflation-trade-and-credit-data-labor-strikes-protests-explode

>>22978183
>no argument
I accept your concession.

>>22978199
Exactly what "argument" do you expect in response to
>Holy shit, you're a fucking imbecile. Kill yoursef you worthless muttoid
Enjoy being an incel NEET shutin with a room-temperature IQ.

>>22978220
Your entire argument so far has been
>It is shit at present, therefore everything about it, whether present or past, is shit.
Obviously, you're supposed to follow up on that, but you can't, and you won't. You'll keep throwing these worthless strawman arguments, wasting everyone's time.

>>22977729
Well, the first thing to realize is that very little of the Vedas themselves could be called philosophical. A handful of late hymns of the Ṛgveda are philosophical, and maybe a few passages of the Yajurveda and Atharvaveda (if you're even counting the latter). But I suppose that what you're referring to is the body of post-Vedic literatre that was built atop the Vedas themselves (the Brāhmaṇas and Upaniṣads, and from there also the systems of Mīmāṃsā and Vedānta/Uttaramīmāṃsā), which is indeed a rather complex corpus. But if you want to know something about the early forms of post-Vedic thought, you might try Patrick Olivelle's translation of the early Upaniṣads for Oxford World Classics.

As for the Bhāgavata, I haven't studied it myself, but again probably only a minority of it would qualify as philosophy (which isn't to say that there isn't a lot there, as the text, like other purāṇas, is vast). But there you should also know that you're only getting the philosophy of some strands of Vaiṣṇavism, and not a representative of "Hindu" philosophy as a whole. It looks like there is still no definitive scholarly translation of the whole thing, but you might take a look at Tagare's translation (which also incorporates the interpretations of the Advaita commentator Śrīdharasvāmin, I believe), or maybe Edwin Bryant's selections translated as Bhakti Yoga

>>22978106
>the common man have any choice in how they live
>in china, india, or islamic countries
lol. this board sometimes.

>>22978311
Oh, one more thing: I don't know if there's an English translation of it, but if you just want an overview of ancient Indian philosophical schools, you might try Jayanta Bhatta's Nyāyamañjarī ("Bouquet of Nyāya" or something like that). I can attest that it's an absolute joy to read in the Sanskrit. Jayanta is certainly the clearest and most stylistically appealing author of philosophy in Sanskrit I've read so far; and although he of course advocates the positions of Nyāya, he engages seriously with all the other classical schools of Hindu, Jain and Buddhist philosophy, and someone whose judgment I trust on the subject has told me that the work is in itself a decent education in Indian philosophy

>>22978311
not the guy you replied to but thank you for posting this. Indian philosophy is fascinating but I found it to be inaccessible

>>22978220
*shin kicks you*

>>22977496
Chinese, Tao - Basically I'm alive and that is good
everything else is bullshit. go read the greeks

>>22978094
I accept your concession

>>22977729
>I have yet to find any guide for a jumping point into Vedic literature;
here is one for Advaita

>>22977508
Ibn Sina looks white in that picture.

>>22977496
Chinese imo, Confucious and Lao Tzu are amazing

Islamic philosophy is kino. Makes you wonder why it’s not more known.

>>22978311
> It looks like there is still no definitive scholarly translation of the whole thing
Swami Tapasyananda of the Ramakrishna Order published an unabridged translation that is generally well-regarded. I would choose that one over Prabhupada’s translation, as he is known to insert terms not found in the root text, which he does with his Gita “”””As It Is””” (not really) edition.

whichever one has the least amount of retarded mysticism

>>22979291
Because there's too much "durka durka Mohammed jihad" and raping of little girls.

>>22979291
In the wide western world the public is conditioned to view religious philosophy as antiquated and superseded by science and modern philosophy, so it's typically either the rare avid reader of philosophy/theology or someone pursuing higher education who would go so far as to read the primary source writings of Christian, Hindu or Muslim metaphysicians etc; but everyone else prefers more low-brow forms of entertainment, or read simplified presentations of religious philosophy written by modern writers and self-help type authors.