/lit/ - Literature

>>22930012

>>22930012
Just read some history about the fall of Rome and the actual dark ages.

>>22930022
It's more like an origin story to what I'm looking for, but not it.
I mean a future that somewhat abandons the meta of technological progress.
Something more what Ted Kaczynski wanted.

>>22930102
Actually, scratch the Ted part. I don't want to limit this to a return to literal medieval times

>>22930012
Dragon Riders of Pern. Despite the cover art, it's a scifi book about people who colonize a distant planet so they don't have to take part in the uber-high tech society of the rest of humanity

>>22930012
You are looking for A Canticle for Leibowitz, amazing book, couldn't rec enough

>>22930012
Check out author John Michael Greer. Stars Reach seem to be what looking for.

>>22930012
This is technically nonfiction that argues this will happen.
https://energyskeptic.com/2020/will-life-after-peak-oil-be-like-the-middle-ages/

>>22930683
It is a good book, but the apocalypse is nuclear war. I can't think of a slow falling apart, except yes>>22930033 actual history.

>>22930808
Anything about peak oil is fiction.

>>22930814
We were literally declining in oil until they started extracting shale oil.

>>22930839
>We were getting low on food until we realized we could grind up grass seed and eat it.
If oil ever gets too much to deal with, there's always nuclear. Probably fusion, also plants are quite efficient so solar might even with. There are plenty of options if we are men enough to do it.

>>22930930
No alternative energy can replace oil. There's a reason we use oil for everything, not because people are malicious, it's the miracle liquid, the most efficient, scalable resource ever. It's also a limited, nonrenewable resource that's always increasing in demand, it's not necessarily about running completely out but keeping up with demand. Once supply can't keep up with demand we'll never be able to get back to the level of industrialization we have now because it's reliant on the peak efficiency and scalability that oil gives. But this might not even happen within our lifetimes. The EIA has predicted that we'll have enough supply to meet demand up to 2050, but beyond 2050 there's too much uncertainty. Since everything relies on oil, steel-making for example, society is going to completely change if demand can't be met, most likely into a wood-based world similar to the medieval age. The transition would be devastating.

>>22931457
If we produce enough energy we could in theory synthesize hydrocarbons, both for fuel and to make plastics.

>>22931473
Synthetic fuel from what?

>>22931457
Nuclear fission could with existing technology; we chose not to. As long as there is oil, we can ignore nuclear. It's dumb but that's how we do. If there ever was peak oil, and no other option, the resistance to nuclear would crumble like a sandcastle in the tide.

Further, plants are quite efficient So it's physically possible to do solar, if we ever figure it out ourselves.

>>22931498
Mixed alternative energy sources are necessary for the future, but that doesn't really help with the big thing that's necessary for our society: cargo ships. Batteries are too heavy for them.
>plants are quite efficient
It takes 196,000 pounds of plant matter to make 1 gallon of gas.

>>22931550
Alternative fuels are completely unnecessary. You just need fission. You can create hydrogen fuels if you must. Although cargo ships could also be nuclear.

I assume that's current efficiencies, but it doesn't matter. I didn't mean grow plants. I meant use their chemical means of collecting energy from sunlight. We can't do that now, but obviously it is physically possible because there go plants.