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>>22929891
Cheap Sex. In particular the Chapter on pornography.
Basically, the part relevant to pornography is that men used to have to toil tirelessly for months, years, to earn a glimpse of a willing naked young woman. Now, it's freely available with 0 effort. The natural deduction from this (though maybe not outright stated in the book) is that pornography deprives you of a large spring of motivation and life-force to achieve.

>>22930029
Lame. Attractive guys never had to try and unattractive guys are supposed to miss being purer cucks that could better enjoy the sloppy seconds they strive for? The same alphafuxx betabuxx crap is still happening just the beta is a little better off with porn.

>>22930029
I plan on staying single. I honestly don't care about getting laid. Would like to hear other reasons.

>>22930039
In the past not only was there no porn in the modern sense, but promiscuity was heavily looked down upon, specially for women. Sex after marriage was the expectation. Not only was this regulated by society, but also by the fact that sex bore the serious risk of child bearing.

>>22930054
Our genetic code suggests otherwise.

>>22929891
science is just a series of inferences based on observed facts. From this aspect, religion is scientific.

>>22930039
Painfully reductive and outright wrong modern incel view of the relations between sexes

>>22930123
Cope

>>22929891
Why do you need to be convinced that porn has a negative consequence on your body but not on your soul? Most anti-porn arguments are religious in nature for a reason. It's not the porn.

>>22929891
There aren't any. There are 3 schools of thought against porn
>christfags who think sex is le evil
>radfems who think men are le evil
>self-improvement bros who think dopamine is le evil
All of the above are retarded. If you want a good take down of the sex is bad narrative read The Myth of Sex Addiction

>>22930054
The past is not a monolith. Human sexual norms unfold with sometimes bewildering variety. Prostitution was a major component of the ancient world. Religious prostitution (we have several in the OT for example, temple wenches) suggests an idea similar to pornography. Human eroticism cannot be stamped out and a society that has no exhaust for male sexuality is destined to become totally insane. The authorities have tacitly allowed all kinds of exemptions and exceptions to Christian marriage.

If you spend any time reading personal writings from the 19th century or earlier, you will find plenty of affairs, prostitutes, concubines, catamites and premarital sex. Monagamy is an idea that allows society to function, but an idea is all. It has never existed among humans in truth.

>>22930029
I have not read this and appreciate your account and bringing the title to my attention.

I am asking your thoughts, orwhatever you recall of the author, in asking this question:

Is the female control of male youth, by which she exerts enormous influence on his tasks, beliefs and presentations, necessarily a force of good? Is it possible that this force corrupts young men by sending them on quests for wealth, power and reputation? It acts as a way for the prospective Father in Law to control the suitors of his daughters. Boys are obedient to their fathers, young men are obedient to their father in laws.

>>22930178
What about philosophers talking about semen retention and /fit/ reasons to do it for gains and the cumbrain meme

>>22930191
Women are very monogamous they just only want chad

>>22930191
>Monagamy is an idea that allows society to function, but an idea is all. It has never existed among humans in truth.

Bullshit. Try having a kid with a woman and seeing how you feel when another man gets near one of them to fuck. It’s one of our most core instincts to protect our families.

>>22930198
The author did not strictly talk about this. The book was mostly about the "economics" of sex and relationship, and the effect contraception and sexual liberalization have had on it; he refrained from making judgements.
However, we can look at it ourselves. Of the men that forego the drive to court and win-over a woman, what generally becomes of them? Do they become productive sages and Übermenschen, or pathetic video-game porn addicts?

>>22930296
I like your approach here, of testing current society to see how types are operating in real time. I am not making an argumentative line here, just bouncing my thoughts off of yours. You are welcome to pile on.

My guess would be that men who abandon courtship because they feel unable to succeed. That means it is in some sense not a choice-- the rejection (real or fancied) is the cause.

So this appears to be more complex than I had thought. I don't know that any men are really in charge of their courses through the wild field of modern sex. We are driven by desires and the desires play out according to what exists around us, be it willing women, unwilling women or pornographic women.

Young men who find some successes will engage reality, men who do not will retreat to fantasy.

It is fascinating that porn shows up right as the relations between the genders are being reformulated in a post birth control world. Wow. What the fuck? How could that be coincidental? Pill shows up in about 1960, porn shows up in about 1960.

That's it right there, the male consumer pressure for more porn created the market that led to the magazines, tapes, DVDs and finally pornhub. Virtual sex is caused by real sexual rejection I think.

We are just tweaking our programming a little to the left or right by embracing identities of no-fap or coomer. We have slight control of the apparatus.

Personally lowers my libido for having sex with actual women desu.

>>22930178
That's a good chunk of literature warning about pornography dangers, anon. But if you want to keep gooning, go ahead, no one is holding your hand; natural selection at its finest.

>>22930544
>There's a
Fix'd.

>>22930029
>to earn a glimpse of a willing naked young woman
The ultimate goal is to do more than just look, you know

>>22930039
>Attractive guys never had to try
Incredibly shallow reductionist take. You're fucking retarded.

>>22930178
There's like a dozen studies proving the negative impact of porn on the human brain and psyche you silly cunt.

>>22929891
Why do you need some fucking book or gay ass egghead scientist to tell you that watching porn is bad for you? If you're really that fucking retarded then watching or not watching porn will not make a difference, you absolute fucking bafoon.
Reject modernity, embrace masculinity you massive faggot or suck my balls and die you fucking bellend

>>22930580
>There's like a dozen studies proving the negative impact of porn on the human brain and psyche you silly cunt.
of which you cited none

>>22930594
Google it you absolute nigger, the fuck you think I am, a babysitter spoonfeeding you?I have a life to live you stupid ape

>>22930594
https://expulsia.com/porn
Although I know you won't stop.

>>22930178
> Christians are the only religion against hypermodern coomer slave-ism

If that were true it'd just mean they're based

The incel/Chad paradigm is fundamentally homoerotic. If you put men's sexual prowess and virility at the center of your worldview, eventually you come to realize that women are just yardsticks in your dick measuring contest. Being insecure (or proud) about sex, especially relative to other men, is a faggot trait.

You're being groomed, anons

It fairly obviously creates unrealistic expectations. You really need a book to explain this you? Any books about how every nerd needs a book to justify/not justify everything?

>>22929891
Porn can be a lightning rod for libidinal energy which otherwise is used to have a normal one, or sending mailbombs to jpop idols. Both much more interesting

>>22930029
>Basically, the part relevant to pornography is that men used to have to toil tirelessly for months, years, to earn a glimpse of a willing naked young woman
im not sure about this. Wasn't going to harems massively common in the past?

>>22929891
>be me
>unable to cum during sex
>think it's due to my p0rn consumption
>turns out I just wasn't banging properly
>no problem doing it now
Thanks for coming to my TED talk

>>22930680
>waaah we whores can’t compete with dreams stop dreaming
Lol this is the most depressing reason to not watch porn, fuck off

>>22930580
Damn nigger this is a book board, we read books.

>>22930054
Pure projection of your own sexlessness onto history itself.

>>22930680
Lmao
Does watching pros play a sport you like create unrealistic expectations when you go and do that sport yourself? Or watching a master musician play an instrument you play? It does if you're terribly insecure, but if you're a normal person it might at best give you ideas what to try and how to approach something new.
Your post reeks of a woman's insecurity.
The "unrealistic expectations" accusations are always shouted by the partner who doesn't want to truly please their significant other, who simpky wish to receive and to give sparingly. Secually it's usually women, though not always.

There are no good books that meet such qualifications because largely most complaints against porn are rhetorical or ideologically driven and at most use superficial bro-science because direct studies tend not to find results that fit their agenda.

I've tried to make "realistic" sex toys that come closer to simulating the real experience than your hand does, and it makes me cum in like 30 seconds. How can I last longer?

>>22930637
>>22930580
>>22929891
>>22930544
I think it is more shameful than dangerous. But doesn't it start to affect you only if you consume it like non-stop? I think it is tempting to fall into addiction but having some control over it might not affect as you would suggest.

>https://expulsia.com/porn
From a quick read on the research section I can assume that all studies concern mainly the point about addiction.

>>22930206
In terms of fit it has to do with test. A study found that after around a week or 5-6 days, I forget, test peaks. But after this peak from building up over the week, it flat-lines at a lower value. So ideally you would jerk off every 5-7 days. Ik MPMD did a video on it if you know who he is.

>>22932528
What about edging, if I jerk off everyday without cumming does that increase test or lower it

>>22932541
Not 100% sure but I would assume it doesn't have an effect. As its the ejaculation that causes the test decrease, or rather slows its production or some shit.

>>22932541
sounds like you are speedrunning prostate cancer
>not real!1
probably not for the non-coomer but edging for weeks would probably do it. Your choice

>>22930119
You forgot the part where they use their inferences to create a falsifiable hypothesis that they can test. If the hypothesis is confirmed by the result of the test, their inferences were correct and they can pat themselves on the back. If not, back to the drawing board. From this (more complete) aspect, religion isn't scientific.

>>22930608
Imagine being so gay that you post shirtless pictures on other men to look tough on the Internet.

>>22933559
>he wants to live past 50
Why tho

>>22929891
Go to sci, sage

>>22933620
to read more books

>>22929891
You've just posted it. Have you even read it?

>>22933559
>edging gives you prostate cancer
What? Never heard this before

>>22933926
I'm pulling this out of my ass and speculating on a cosmic level. Remember the studies on people who don't fap and get prostate cancer? I just have a feeling that edging will exacerbate that. Yes, my evidence is a feeling. Take it or leave it

>>22929891
What effects does excessive masturbation have on brain matter density

>>22933615
kek

>>22930054
> Sex after marriage was the expectation
Yeah sure.
> also by the fact that sex bore the serious risk of child bearing
Unlike today?
Kys.

>>22935024
That study was flimsy if you actually look into it. It's mostly cited by homosexual groomers trying to get you to masturbate with them on /trash/

>>22935066
>what is contraception

There’s this book by the guy who runs the Pints With Aquinas YouTube channel. I don’t know if it’s any good but he is a Catholic and hates porn with a vengeance and I remember he told Dennis Prager to go and fuck right off (figuratively) for defending watching porn because the Torah says it’s cool or something because it’s not actual sex.
This was all in my TradCath phase though but I still think porn is one of the worst things to afflict men and women in this generation.

>>22929891
There aren't any. It is unironically just religious retards or moralniggers providing shoddy pseudoscience because they can't admit to themselves that they are no different than religious retards

>>22929891
>your brain on bait

>>22929891
Peter Sotos - Index

>>22932566
I am more curious about the bad effects of cooming like that it increases dht and makes you go bald and increases the lactate in your blood making you more of a bitch and that stuff that was being talked about when cumbrain was a meme

As someone who sold porn online for 15+ years and has seen more vaginas than the last 100 of my ancestors combined in my lifetime, I'd sum up pornography's effects as:
>reducing men's desire for women
>causing fetishes to be desired
>gateway drug to nihilism
>erasure of the concept of romance
>less able to bond with women
>more aloof towards women(which ironically attracts them more)
>less power women have over you
>more power you give to fantasy
Essentially, if you boil it down to the most basic form, pornography tricks the mind into thinking you scored that woman, that you're experiencing that sex. It is the best thing at taking the air out of people's tires. Men are in a permanent feedback loop of consumerism; porn, sportsball, food, entertainment. In the alt-right/tankie fantasy world, they'd believe a utopia or new dawn of humanity could only start when men rise up and throw off the captialist/woke shackles on society, but nobody can do shit when society provides everything you need to become a nihilistic consumer that just craves more, more, more. There will be no rise-up, just a gentle landing for 99% of people's dreams. Any "pushback" on porn is about as likely to succeed in the long term as a ban on the BigMac. We need our drive-thru slop just as much as we need our screen-provided orgasm. Modern society cannot function without this soma.

>>22930029
Have you watched the japanese film ballad of narayama? There's a character there who begs a dying 70 yr old woman, I think, for sex because no one in his village wants to fuck him since he smells funny, and not even because he doesn't bathe. There's a point there that sex has always been a preserve of some select 'desirable' people. This is why prostitution gets the moniker of being the oldest profession. After we stopped kidnapping and 'raping' women in our caveman days, prostitution was established to deal with the men who couldn't either get wives or were bored with their wives. Prostitution has now gone digital and somehow people have now come to the realization that it is harmful, instead of addressing the asymmetry of female sexual choice and how that affects all human societies.

>>22937043
Therefore, porn or prostitution is only a problem if you naively believe that you will land a babe in the future. Some romantic pipe dream that caters to the delusional. I have, in most part, accepted that I don't need women in my life, so porn for me, like Schopenhauer in his day, should serve as a cheap alternative to prostitution.

>>22929891
Our culture is blind to any socioeconomic issue being able to affect men in any way, so to explain men's problems it must reach and invent and contort some way to blame individual men, or men as a class. They must be weak, they must be doing something wrong, they must not be working hard enough, they must have some kind of red flag, otherwise they'd be successful and productive, because the world is inherently fair.

Absofuckinglutely ZERO of this recent "sex bad" shit is aimed at women. None of it. Only men are expected to become eunuchs and accept a sexless life.

>>22930266
That's not what he meant retard. Monogamy is an ideal for women who want all the resources of a man. A man who want to fuck your wife is polyandry whose opposite is polygamy, which most men are fine with.

>>22937059
Well I mean women aren’t people, what is a society going to suffer from a lack of great women? Are we going to miss out on all the potential classics produced by the great women of our generation being smothered by unfortunate circumstances?

>>22936902
I dunno man. Much of the porn I consume is specifically to simulate romance and bonding. My disillusion comes from speaking to women. I hear what they want, what they think, what they desire get out of dating and relationships, and then I can no longer relate to them as human beings. My apathy and disdain comes from real interaction, and my delusions of romance and genuine love come from porn. I don't think I'm alone in this at all, I see this everywhere.

>>22937080
>Much of the porn I consume is specifically to simulate romance and bonding.
What kind of stuff do you consoom? Sounds like romance smut would fill that the best no?

>>22937080
>My apathy and disdain comes from real interaction, and my delusions of romance and genuine love come from porn.
Interesting POV, would like to know more about your "real interactions" with women.

>>22937059
>they must have some kind of red flag, otherwise they'd be successful and productive, because the world is inherently fair.
Having been "poor" then "successful" then "poor" again, I can tell you that it isn't just women who are judgmental like this. Everyone wants to believe life is fair, especially someone who has won the lottery, but strangely, also disabled people and the misfortunate.

Calling out life as being unfair is seen as a greater personal fault than placing blame on yourself and the choices you made or situations you were forced to stumble though. Nobody wants to hear how life is unfair, because when you have an advantage in life, it is too great of a feeling to chalk up to luck. And when you're at a disadvantage in life, you're just supposed to shut the fuck it. It is just how it is.

>porn for me, like Schopenhauer in his day, should serve as a cheap alternative to prostitution.
Porn does keep men on a lower level mentally, that's what it is designed to do.

Does anyone feel particularly empowered in life when beating your dick to porn on a screen?

>>22937106
Haha, you mean I'm lying? Yeah, fair. I'm mostly drawing on what friends in school said and shit I've overheard. Mostyl university and a bit of what I guess is equivalent to high school. Talking about the people they fuck, saying how they couldn't date a man who did x or y and such. A few of them coming onto me, a few not. I think you know as well as I do if not better.

>>22937096
Yeah, something like that. To be honest I've lost a lot of it over the years. I'm always drawn to the lovey-dovey "wholesome" stuff whereever I'm at at the time.

>>22937111
Lmao, do you feel empowered when you empty your bowels or urinate everyday in the morning? I treat it like a need to scratch an itch; something that has to be done so that I can focus on something else. I am mostly tired during the weekdays so i only do it during the weekend. Don't let women and society shame you for fulfilling your natural instincts. None of this idealistic romantic bullshit that most humans are prone to should bother you so much. Do people romanticize shitting? Why then should you let romantic opinions about what you are supposed to do with your cock in private trouble you? And if you really feel like you are missing out, hire a prostitute and compare the differences. Or just travel to Thailand and try living with a woman, see whether the experience is as fruity as they say. Get your own experiences, don't rely on second hand retarded opinions about what you should do with your cock.

>>22937202
>Lmao, do you feel empowered when you empty your bowels or urinate everyday in the morning?
Well, it does feel more civilized to use a toilet and have a warm shower after, rather than shit into a ditch at the side of the road with no toilet paper or shower after. A man's mouth is the same as a woman's mouth if you only go by the same pleasure, but pleasure is not the only factor here when it comes to sex. Does it feel noble to beat off? No, of course not. I imagine myself looking mighty stupid when I do.

>>22938125
Yes because society makes you feel this way. People in India don't feel ashamed of shitting publicly or raping women because their society is different. You have to be smart enough to learn what is innate and what is enforced by society in order to conform like a dutiful little boy. And you have to be wise enough to decide whether to follow that blindly or continue feeling guilty about it.

>>22938136
>And you have to be wise enough to decide whether to follow that blindly or continue feeling guilty about it.
Oh yeah, definitely society that makes me want to conform by
>checks notes
Not shitting in a ditch or wanking in public

>>22930674
>The incel/Chad paradigm is fundamentally homoerotic. If you put men's sexual prowess and virility at the center of your worldview, eventually you come to realize that women are just yardsticks in your dick measuring contest. Being insecure (or proud) about sex, especially relative to other men, is a faggot trait.
It's homoerotic and dysgenic, since chad is likely to be an impulsive dark triad retard who is taking up multiple women's child bearing years. There's a good reason women were never allowed much choice in the matter, most women measure themselves by what they look like with makeup on, not on their reality.

>>22938141
Then stop asking stupid questions about what you should do with your cock on an anonymous forum.

My ex thought I was watching porn because I was becoming less attracted to her. She was entirely correct

>>22930178
Coomers are worse than Jews.

Read The Coiled Serpent for an aphoristic approach to the topic of sexual excess. It features quotes from many philosophers, scientists, and religious figures. The references are a good place to find further reading.

>>22938343
Fuck off.

>>22937202
>confuses diddlling his peepee with vital functions
>is a slave to his pleasures
try again

Lately I have been consuming a lot of porn drew by random people on twitter. Is that as harmful as porn videos of real humans?

>>22938772
2D affirms the soul, 3D destroys it

>>22938587
Make me you cooming faggot.

>>22935620
Men, yes. For women it's social media.

>>22938125
>Well, it does feel more civilized to use a toilet and have a warm shower after, rather than shit into a ditch at the side of the road with no toilet paper or shower after.
There is objectively nothing wrong with shitting in a ditch. The ditch will not object and will take it the same as your precious toilet.
>Does it feel noble to beat off? No, of course not. I imagine myself looking mighty stupid when I do.
Is it more noble to thrust your penis into a meat receptacle, into a slit that looks like a protean monster?
Imho that's just as gross

>>22935620
>he is a Catholic and hates porn with a vengeance
Guarantee he watches some fucked up shit

they deleted everything from spankbang so idk wtf you guys are even talking about. also imo theres a difference between watching a woman get blown out by some aggro dude and having her get naked on camera and play with herself. its always been interesting that the first is much more widely consumed, because it hate it, its like i wanna be fucking her not this fucking weird looking dude

>>22940675
no they didn't, plus there are new girls everyday on chaturbate

>>22940733
they removed a lot of stuff straight up, everything else is gone from search indexing and nothing gets uploaded except mainstream bbc type shit. im not really interested in the types of woman on chaturbate, i only like really thick women and they usually get simped on hard on the internet and barely drop content or get doxxed and drop off the face of the earth, its actually kind of a mystery to me why so few woman in porn are thick.

>>22940747
but you said you liked seeing girls diddle themselves instead of being fucked by random dudes, that's what chaturbate caters to

>>22940771
find me a chaturbater who looks like this bitch and i will go tip her 50 dollars right now

https://coomer.su/onlyfans/user/thenudesbank

>>22940675
>its always been interesting that the first is much more widely consumed, because it hate it, its like i wanna be fucking her not this fucking weird looking dude
Same I don't understand how any man can enjoy any porn but solo. I don't want to see another man's penis
https://youtu.be/gVtHvItwjHs?si=VsWSrU9MiZgrjlZJ

>>22940785
charles > hyde

>>22930054
LMAO imagine actually thinking the human sex drive was somehow controlled for real
People were fucking even during the most puritan of times, it's only natural

>>22940813
they really took prostitution away from us

There is no mechanism for why Cooming would hurt your Intelligence. You might deregulate dopamine and be less motivated, but that is fixable.

"Your brain on porn" means

-Not lowering your standards, not settling for lesser partners because your horny without any outlet
-Not being compelled to rape.
-Having freedom over your sexuality (without porn, you can't explore your sexuality and figure out what really gets you excited)

porn is good

>>22940850
>"Your brain on porn" means
>-Not lowering your standards, not settling for lesser partners because your horny without any outlet
Having unrealistic standards, ED, reduced joy from real sexual encounters, missing the perfect match for you because you didn't see the hidden charm in her due to your coombrain, stripping sex of it's transcendent beauty of two people uniting into one etc
>-Not being compelled to rape.
Hello sir
>-Having freedom over your sexuality
Slaving yourself to your ever increasing desires for the next dopamine hit. You are being molded into a more depraved version of yourself by a twisted industry. This is how people become cucks and shit-eaters for the sake of sick uncontrolled pleasure
>without porn, you can't explore your sexuality and figure out what really gets you excited
As if you could not do this with a partner. "Exploring your sexuality" is degrading yourself to something you don't control

>>22930029
There are still reasons to achieve things, but on the other hand it reduces the amount of men willing to tolerate women irl, which has implications.

>>22941045
What are they

>>22941042
and I didn't even mention the lowered tolerance for boredom, losing motivation for other truly meaningful things, more impulsive behavior all due to it being a supernormal stimulus

>>22941048
If men are less willing to eventer relationships, marry then I think that would have affect on the birthrates. Hard to say how much though, not like it's the only reason.

>>22941055
How can you call relationships meaningful today? Being in a relationship in the west today is punishment enough, let's not even mention the disaster that is divorce. Women divorce on impulse, so how is a man not expected to be impulsive with masturbation? The world rewards impulsiveness, why not take the less expensive route.

>>22930054
Yes and no, it was looked down, but it still happened. Even Teutonic Order state had legal brothels.

>>22941091
There are absolutely meaningful relationships out there despite what 4chan and the internet would have you believe.
>Women divorce on impulse
That's why find the person that doesn't act impulsively and is level-headed.
>Women divorce on impulse, so how is a man not expected to be impulsive with masturbation?
I really don't understand your reasoning here desu.
>The world rewards impulsiveness, why not take the less expensive route.
Because with work from both sides you can make a relationship last for a lifetime and that is more meaningful than most things in life. I live my life with intention and try to minimize short-term pleasures that I know will fuck me up or at least take up time from more meaningful things. Weirdly enough it sounds like you just want to throw your hands in the air and "do heroin" because the surface culture shown you by the internet tells you to.

>>22933601
>falsifiable hypothesis that they can test
If that was all there was to it then astrology could be considered a science too.
>If the hypothesis is confirmed by the result of the test
And in this part we have the problem of induction. Not that this actually stops scientist, and it frankly shouldn't.

>>22941105
It doesn't matter if you find them because society will change them. The friends will change her. Like i said modern society rewards impulsiveness, it doesn't matter if she is a saint. If you play that game you will eventually lose because society today punishes that kind of game as opposed to 100 yrs ago where society checked women and their impulsivity.

>>22931202
>I just wasn't banging properly
how

>>22929891
I don't know, I wouldn't also lay it all on porn itself. Could talk about promiscuous sexual activity in general. I doubt that that has been studied well, but I feel like that can affect person's feelings/mental state in both positive and negative ways.

>>22936902
>permanent feedback loop of consumerism; porn, sportsball, food, entertainment.
You are in that if you peruse women as well, probably even more in some regards, or at least you have to spend time, money, resources for woman's consumerism.

>>22941110
>If that was all there was to it then astrology could be considered a science too.
What are you talking about? Astrology is based on unfalsifiable beliefs because the few beliefs that were falsifiable, when tested, were falsified.

>>22937109
>Calling out life as being unfair is seen as a greater personal fault than placing blame on yourself and the choices you made or situations you were forced to stumble though.
That's because society at large assumes free will, for one reason or another.

>>22941130
Depends on how you construct astrological "theory", I guess. If you said that this one person will win lotter the next day because planets aligned or something like that and when this doesn't happen then you technically falsified it.
Falsification is a good tool anyway, don't get me wrong, but it's not a core of science alone. Or perhaps we could just throw out "science" as a definition. Just people making up theories and doing experiments.

>>22941113
If you are this doompilled then you might as well stop trying now and just masturbate in your cave/have promiscuous relationships all the time. It's not like I can change your mind on fucking 4chan

>>22941055
>losing motivation for other truly meaningful things
Depends on what's meaningful to you. I find it that post nut clarity motivates me to get back to things I care about.
It probably doesn't motivate me to persue women though, and if that's meaningful, then you are correct in that regard.

I'm so bored of porn that I lose my erection when wanking, I can get harder using my imagination wank, I must just wank to that in future.

>>22930054
That's why most classic novels from hundreds years ago all have prominent cucking theme? From Rabelais to Tolstoy to Joyce

>>22941152
>I find it that post nut clarity motivates me to get back to things I care about.
This does not need porn and I agree with you that it can be helpful at times to clear your head up. Most of the time it is excessive and only for pleasure though.
>It probably doesn't motivate me to persue women though, and if that's meaningful, then you are correct in that regard.
I'll just clarify that I'm not speaking of chasing women. I'm talking about long-term relationships of depth with the opposite sex. That is meaningful despite of what the post-modern promiscuous feminism would tell you

>>22941163
The tale of men not being able to attain women that they fancy or people cheating on each other is as old as time. Taking pleasure in being cucked is a modern thing

>>22941150
Continue believing in your delusions. You will eventually pay dearly for them.

I visited escort back in December and I believe it clicked something in my mind. After week and a half nofa so I cummed after few minutes then I paid for second time but was not able to cum second - felt good hugging her but then fucked her doggy style for few minutes with no hope of orgasm and I felt was boredom. At this moment I intuitively understood I wasted so much time jerking off to simulation of act that not only I could do myself but which is nothing special anyway. I mythologized act that was not so wonderful at all, not understanding what I really wanted was to hug naked woman and have her whisper sweet lies to my ear.
Since then Ifapped twice and it was only when high or drunk. Not counting once I jerked off to porn of milf that actually is escort in my city contemplating if I should visit her next (but she is expensive and her long add description is very pretentious, feeling like she only wants to see chads or "gentlemen full of class" whatever it means)

>>22941186
Your claim is that every single potential partner (specifically women) is incapable of long-term fulfilling relationship because the culture will mold them like the mindless puppets they are. This is absolutely delusional to me

>>22930642
Bhuddism? Desire is suffering?

>>22941194
I have not made any such claim. I said the game is rigged and not worth playing. The divorce rate in the country is initiated 80 percent by women, it doesn't matter how capable they are of long term commitment, it all ends the same way with 40 and 50 yr old women divorcing their husbands and leaving their kids to find themselves because society rewards that.

>>22930178
No one said sex is bad. The thread is talking about porn addiction. But I’m sure you’re okay with fucking children too.

>>22930346
> and finally pornhub
Divorce was pushed in the 20s. And the end goal isn’t pornhub - that lead to tindr and then onlyfans. The next step is weimar level hoe on the corner selling children for fiat currency

>>22941217
>The divorce rate in the country is initiated 80 percent by women
And? What if it was men? Some of these divorces are justified and some not. I fail to see your point
>it all ends the same way
it absolutely does not all end the same way. The divorce rates in the US 2021 for 55y and older was 10% for 40-55 I think it was 15%

>>22941241
Marx was right. Everything is going to be commodified under capitalism and the next thing is going to be intimacy. It's so fucking over for this world unless the counter culture of anti-tech will rise the fuck up

>>22941246
The divorce rate in the country is over 50 percent. So there is a fifty-fifty chance that you will be divorced and it will be very expensive for you once it happens. And my point like i keep repeating and you don't seem to ever get is that, its more expensive than not getting into any marriage at all. Even if you got into any marriage, it would not be meaningful with the future of divorce always looming over.

>>22941261
It is peak modern bugman attitude to start calculating human experiences in money and statistics but you do you buddy

>>22941267
Yea I suppose when your money is on the line, it pays to think like a bugman. Good luck with being homeless in your 60s once your wife takes half of what you own in a state mandated court decision by a female judge. Its worth looking forward to that.

you might get cancer if you never masturbate

>>22935121
> contraception didn't exist before 1960
Weak, I didn't expect more.

>>22941477
Are we living in pre 1960's? Have you taken your meds today?

>>22941217
That's why Jason Bryan advocates being a douchebag, because if you reveal your spots to a woman and she still fucks you, then, chances are, you'll never get fucked over. If you try the traditional romance route and go through the motions of dating, courtship, and marriage, you're MUCH more likely to get fucked over because modern relationships follow a generally linear path.

Blaze your own trail, knock women up, be a hobo... this is the way forward in life for a modern man.

Looking back, I feel like I got groomed from a young age just by browsing YouTube. I accidentally found a breast inflation Playlist as I was hitting puberty nearly two decades ago, got hooked on Taylor St Claire, and it lead down a depressing path of degenerate that included mapping to weight gain, furry stuff, inflation, farting bitches, hyperpregnancy, futa, all sorts of shit. Got so bad, I was later groomed by a furry called Chiron something on deviantart so i dryhumped the family dog. I was so disgusted by myself and guilt-ridden that I immediately let my parents know everything that had happened over the course of that summer. I got the mental health treatment I needed, and my dog thankfully forgave me, but I still felt guilt over the situation until his death. I later had a mental breakdown from nightmarish intrusive thoughts brought about by the train of thought of "if you were groomed into doing that sick shit, what could ypu be capable of with kids?" luckily im no pedo, but i was so disgusted and scared for a few weeks i needed to be put in a mental health facility for a week. Later caused me to become a massive libtard for years, obsessed with atoning for my own personal sins by trying to make the world right. I only realized years later that Democrats are the corrupt ones a few weeks before Biden got into office, when I realized Dmeocrats defended crazy shit and promoted Islam, a pedo cult. So, now I consider myself a conservative.

>>22942355
>Got so bad, I was later groomed by a furry called Chiron something on deviantart so i dryhumped the family dog.
What in the absolute fuck...

>>22941261
>So there is a fifty-fifty chance that you will be divorced and it will be very expensive for you once it happens
Marriage is not a coin toss. You can affect the outcome you dumb fucking bugman.

>>22942355
Basically, I went on the internet alone too young, got mentally fucked up by porn, groomed by a zoophile furry into dryhumping our dog, had a mental breakdown so now I need meds to function without mental breakdowns, turned into a raging SJW tard for years, inadvertently promoting Islam at the time despite it embodying lots of things I now hate (zoophilia being allowed as long as you kill the goat after, pedophilia, murder of disbelievers), only became conservative shortly before Biden became president, and now I've been watching Biden run my country into the ground, and it all feels like a very Dante-esque karmic punishment on me, having to see the global effects of my misinformed vote for Biden leading to so much suffering from dictator and terrorist actions done due to Joe's retardation and weakness.

>>22942366
I know. It's fucked up. But, I don't feel any sexual attractions towards animals. Furry art sometimes makes me somewhat aroused, and that makes me feel guilty, but I don't feel arousal by real animals. Although, whenever I see a dog, and if I haven't taken my mental health medication in a while, I feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and sadness. I know the dog forgave me from how he acted towards me friendly-like after I told my parents, but I had the hardest time forgiving myself for over 2 decades, wrestling with self-loathing.

>>22942378
The swastika is the symbol of the Western Super-Ego, which actually was founded by St. Augustine when he decided sexuality and human shame are the same things.

That's practically esoteric I don't expect you to understand.

>>22942379
I should probably mention I also got addicted to masturbation as a stress relief sometime during all this. I have a naturally high blood pressure, so I get terrible migraines if I haven't fapped in a while. And because of all the fucked inflation/hyperpregnancy/weight gain/staffing porn I watched as a teen, I can't masturbate as easily to "normal" porn now. I need a hamplanet to jerk it to.

>>22942406
So, to relieve my high blood pressure, I fap to fatties, futas, and furries. But I also feel shame, because I've been trying to reconnect with my sense of spirituality recently, having gotten sick of being a reddit-tier atheist libtard. So I try to not fap, but my blood pressure rises from stress from the world being in the hands of a retard I voted in out of guilt at the time, so I need to bust a nut to not feel horrid pain behind my corneas, pulsating terribly. I feel cursed, at times. I pray to God for forgiveness, that he'll protect the world and forgive me, not to let the world suffer for my mistakes.

>>22942420
I know it sounds loony, it's obviously not one autist's fault the world has gone so crazy nowadays, but I feel like I added my own drop into the pool of craziness afflicting Earth now, and I want to make things right, or at least as right as I can make it, help get society back on track.

>>22942426
I just want humanity to be able to avoid being taken over by Islamic nutcases, Chinese and North Korean Communists, and Russian oligarchs. If humanity as a whole is destined to do well, I'll feel less bad about my own luge having been riddled with mistakes. But I feel like my own stupidity and perversion lead to tKing part in a fraction of the bad path we are on as a species.I want to atone. But, The best way I can do that is to vote next election for a Republican. But I've always been terrible at waiting, and there's 11 months to go. I feel on edge. Like WW3 could start any minute. And maybe it should? We'd defeat Iran and North Korea, at least. It's the damn waiting that gets to me.

>>22942439
The whole world is getting progressively more fucked up ever since 9/11/2001 happened. I miss when America was sane and top dog in the international community. I can only vote and hope we get a republican president and government majority to begin to heal.

>>22942453
Still. The world is getting heated. South Africa's ANC wants to get Israel "cancelled" for "genocide" for fighting back against Islamic terrorists. That would set a huge precedent for future Islamic terrorist attacks and make it harder for governments to effectively combat the filthy ummah. Meanwhile, China plots against Taiwan, North Korea rails against South Korea, and Soros & Schwab sit in the shadows watching.

>>22942478
It feels as if something big is coming. It reminds me of Cthulhu, in a way. The world goes progressively more insane as something terrible stirs and eventually reveals itself to the world, in this case Cthulhu being WW3.

>>22942355
Most sane conservative

>>22942495
Maybe I am somewhat mentally unstable still. But all my worst craziness was from when I was being raised in a far left Democrat family, and my suffering only seemed to worsen under my SJW phase. Being a conservative actually gives a sense of certainty of what needs to be done, now, which is somewhat stabilizing in itself.

>>22942495
I mean, can a crazy person realize they're mentally scarred? Maybe. But at least I recognize what the problem was, and I'm trying to deal with it to the best of my abilities to mitigate Amy harm to the world my actions have done.

>>22929891
It never ceases to amaze me that people need books and double-blinded studies before they stop clearly hazardous behavior. Like potheads will claim there’s nothing wrong with weed while it’s wrecking their lives.

>>22936875
Some of its memes and overhype, ik the some shit is released that causes test to be delayed. Bald is an old wise tale like getting hairy palms from it. Lactate idk about. Being a bitch tho is somewhat in reality.

As you are jerking off likely to voyeurism and slowly condition yourself to only seek out others having sex. You also need more coom to quell the urge, thats why people get more and more into degen shit. I myself noticed it, as I went from tame stuff, to more weird fetishes and hentai. I think the key is moderation but its hard to maintain like with any type of additive thing, hell sugary food is in a similar vain.

>>22942420
>I fap to fatties, futas, and furries.
What has /lit/ become

>>22930296
>Do they become productive sages and Übermenschen, or pathetic video-game porn addicts?
Cause and effect.

I just want to kill myself now. How did I screw up this badly? Someone get me out of this hell-reality.

>>22942355
Good Lord man, most fucked up post I've read on this godforsaken site
You are obviously not mentally well, and so should not concern yourself with politics as your concern is very obviously motivated out of guilt and projection
You should look inward as to what motivated or led you down that path in the 1st place

>>22942478
>>22942483
News spreads doom and gloom. The world is definitely pretty fucked right now. Just in the past few years we've seen more invasions and wars than the world has seen in decades, but I doubt it will spiral into WW3. Nobody wants to risk that, and the major world powers don't really have the rigid Alliance structures like they did in the past which led to world wars
We'll just see more proxy wars is my bet

>>22942439
>The best way I can do that is to vote next election for a Republican
And what will you do when everything continues to get worse?

>>22929891
There is only one correct answer, but know that it's over once you read this book.

>>22930123
>>22930564
Holy fucking cope

>>22942439
>>22942478
Kys, Jew. Iran is a far more rational actor than Israel (which is not saying much). Israel constantly destabilizes the region with its support of terrorists like ISIS, child trafficking, and illicit organ trade. It's a criminal syndicate of a "nation".
Verily, Cyrus made a mistake freeing such "people" from Babylonian captivity in the first place. The world would have been better if Jews didn't even exist. That means no Pisslam or Christcuckery either.
Honestly, the problem with Iran is it's not truly antisemitic. In my view, there's no such thing as a good Jew, period. You are all spawns of Ahriman.
>>22942453
9/11 was done by Mossad:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DwTkSC4Fi8lO/

>>22942355
Disgusting. Kys, dysgenic POS.
Also, voting doesn't make a difference. Think thanks decide everything in advance.

>>22943495
I didn't think this book was actually about porn

I don't find females attractive anymore. Going my whole without pussy my psychology developed a self-defence mechanism to where I am now averted to any female appearance. It's why I watch so much trans porn.

>>22944113
By that logic, why not watch gay porn you dumbass?
i'll tell you why, because you're sexually attracted to the female form and you watching trans porn just shows that you're a coombrain who's too desensitize for vanilla porn

>>22944113
>Going my whole without pussy my psychology developed a self-defence mechanism to where I am now averted to any female appearance. It's why I watch so much trans porn.
Jesus H. tap-dancing Christ.

I think most guys need to realize that women's minds, and many men's minds, have been permanently warped by 10+ years of smartphone algorithm. The apps, the news, the social media, it acts as a superbrain and convinces people by consensus to not think for themselves. All of the content we consume works in a subtle ways to program us on how we should feel and what we should expect from others. Remember how COVID completely changed people through fear?

The same thing has happened for social expectations, people fear talking to opposite sex people in public, you can see how much the social dynamic has changed. Young guys are afraid of being seen as "harassers" when approaching women in public, which is such a massive benefit to people who run dating apps. Why would corporations that profit off social failings WANT people to get better socially? They want you lonely and depressed and paying $50+ a month to swipe on bitches while taking a dump. That requires no skill, no wit, just a smartphone and a subscription.

>>22941163
Even the most seemingly sexless, Victorian novels like those by Wharton and James are all about fucking first and foremost.

>>22944177
Are they explicit?

I've been writing the 2nd edition for City of Singles and been toning down the vulgarity. The sex isn't the main focus of the story, but rather, the aimlessness of it is supposed to be the focus.

>>22944159
I've been averted to females my entire life even before porn and I don't consider regular-gay. I don't think any psychologist in any amount of time could decipher the hellcube that is my brain. I think I'm best left to rot in quarantine.

>>22944191
What I mean is nothing is ever explicit in those novels. The most racy thing might be the mention of a decolletage. But despite the obliqueness, the primary driving force of those Victorian novels is the passion or desire between two particular characters that want to fuck. These novels are often centered around a conflict between who the characters actually want to carnally fuck vs. who the characters would have a most praticable, economically sound marriage with.

>>22944231
Ah
>who the characters actually want to carnally fuck vs. who the characters would have a most praticable, economically sound marriage with.
>praticable, economically sound marriage with.
Haha, people used to think this way?

>>22942426
You should be locked up instead of trying to "help" anyone with your inane views

>>22930178
All three of these are valid in their own way tho. The third especially.
>>22929891
The dopamine reason is the most credible by far. Pornography is a drug in that sense, cooming reduces any motivation that one will have for the rest of the day. Food, water and sex are all met. It is also highly addictive. Dopamine is dopamine is dopamine, there are very few things short of drugs that can release such a high amount of dopamine, pornography is one of them. Any study pertaining to substances affecting dopamine and the consequences of that applies to pornography.

But people fap to different things for different reasons. Most would just get horny and want to fap to some attractive woman or vanilla sex which I would say is mostly harmless, although not ideal due to releasing a high amount dopamine without working for it.
Enough of doing the above (especially easy for teenagers due to the amount of free time they have, then you have diminishing returns and you seek the same dopamine levels, so in order to get that same release you start looking at more extreme things, especially fetish related. This is the start of addiction.
Enough of that, then you are posting on /r/gooncaves watching sissy hypno porn.

So the effects on the brain are the same as any other addictive substance sans the chemically addictive effects brought on about other substances like alcohol or opiates. Due to the taboo nature of it and the shame it invokes (no it is not your Christian upbringing that evokes that as much as coomers want to delude themselves) as well as how accessible it is (i have to go to the shop to buy alcohol vs taking out my phone) can be incredibly difficult to quit. Many relationships have been ruined by it, and in extreme cases people literally ruin their entire lives over it. You can even look at testimonies from celebrities such as Terry Crews, Billie Eilish, Kanye etc to see how it affected their lives negatively

There's also a spiritual element but that will fall on deaf ears for most people. I think any form of pornography that is more than a girl masturbating is simply perverse and Freudian. I've been on the internet a long time and I've seen in realtime pornography shift from purely vanilla to 90% of it being fetish based. /gif/ was solely vanilla when I started going onto 4chan, now it is the complete opposite. When you step back and look at these things as an outsider you get a feeling of disgust and wonder wtf is going on

I absolutely believe that pornography can change the cognitive development of children or adolescents but I don't think there are any studies for that [yet]

>>22932541
It explodes your prostate

>>22941190
i felt this exact way after nutting inside my gf.but after 3 4 days all i think about is having sex,pounding her pussy and what not.
i've given up watching porn.i've mysticized sex so much due to the porn i was watching i feel i forget to live in the moment.
any ways for me to not care about sex and make it like its everything?

>>22944988
I can't just give up on trying to better myself, trying to be a better person and try to do more good in my life than bad. I refuse to take the blackpill. I refuse to become some fat slob on welfare forever. I've been looking for the right job for years now, and I think I'm close.I need a job I can work at full-time, where I know what I'm doing, and where I can give good advice to the customers. I have a good idea, but won't put all my eggs in one basket. I just can't stay some worthless tard who soaks up government funding while hard workers wage work. I need to get back in the job search, make good decisions, and set a good example for others around me, not be some mapping coomer NEET leech in a basement.

>>22945902
fucking autocorrect keeps turning fapping into mapping. I'm not a "MAP" as Twittard/X pedophiles like to say. In fact, I was so afraid and disgusted by the idea that one day my mental illness could devolve into that, that I had am intrusive Nightmare POCD breakdown for a week or so before needing a week in a mental health facility, where I got the meds I needed to function. It's hard already being Asperger's on top of needing medication and having trauma from past events. I just wish I knew what the best path forward would be to better myself and my community, nation, and world.

>>22945218
While people who are into fetishes definitely pursue novelty in stimulus porn doesn't convert vanilla people to fetishists. Also being a fetishist isn't bad for your life. Tropes from porn are useful tools for generating a stimulating narrative with my sexual partners and those experiences have been tremendously enjoyable and emotionally connecting. I use porn a fair amount. I have always had a high sex drive and it helps me relax and serves as an outlet for that energy when I can not or should not have sex. Obviously people can fail to rise to the occasion in all sorts of ways in life and porn can be one of the things they over spend on or excessively engage with instead of doing what they need to do but people do that with all sorts of things including many "good" things like working out or reading.

>>22944113
Lmao you are a faggot kill yourself

>>22929891
I watched a lot of videos from Gary Wilson and I found them instructive as a young man. I'm 30 now, and I must admit, porn has been part of my life until recently. Multiple attempts to stop, sometimes for months, but it's just so convenient and easy, especially when your entire body is screaming at you for a release.
One thing is for certain - when I'm using porn, I'm a tenth of the man I would be naturally. I'm highly neurotic, emotionless, flat, disillusioned, irritable, dismissive, and hateful. It's hell.
I will never watch it again. Porn is death. That said, I think I'm quite sensitive to it. I get full-on ED, some men don't.

>>22937080
I know what you mean but I couldn't accept that for myself because it just feels too disgusting to admit and be comfortable with. God help us when convincing AI girlfriends come to pass. Holy shit, can you imagine? At least none of us will be alone in our old age.

>>22929891
Is masturbating to pictures of cute girls the same as jerking it to hardcore porn?

>>22930608
good lord his torso was unreal. rest in peace.

>>22946557
Just about