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>>22884323
https://
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>>22884323
Hitler was the devil. Pure evil. And chuds are his little demons.

>>22884586
You're a cartoon character if you believe that.

>>22884586
There is far more evidence to support those he persecuted are the devil and the destroyer of nations. All throughout history great men warned against them taking power. Within less than 50 years of them obtaining power in the West, it has declined morally, spiritually, financially and ethnically.

>>22884323
https://
discord
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>>22884586
you're right, as a British agent Hitler was a satanic puppet of the demiurge

>>22884323
But Hitler was a human...

>>22885886

>>22886394
I've needed this smuggie for ages, thank you anon

>>22884609
how does letting a rothschild go while putting ostjuden hicks in shitty labor camps defeat international jewry? what about allying with the known bolshevik jews over aryan england?

>>22886473
always fascinating to see a jew argue. it's the only time you can see the power of language to twist reality to its absolute limits. your race magic is formidable.

>>22886473
I'm not pro-genocide or anything, I also don't think the "Holocaust" (stupid schmalzy name) was anywhere near 6mil, but I do think it has to be taken into account that the "Ostjuden" were often pretty reviled among the countries of Eastern Europe and widely known for doing things like hostile takeovers of local middleman business, running alcohol stills and functioning as drug dealers, etc. They were itinerant merchant-people with high in-group solidarity who despised the populations they lived amongst, so it's not surprising they did stuff like this rather than try to farm.

>>22886473
One of the core defining feature of Hitler‘s rule is multiple and varied attempts to bring England on board to a multipolar European hegemony which could soundly defeat the USSR in a war, you lying kike.

>>22884586
What did Adolf Rizzler do to deserve this slander?

>>22886505
It's a shame he couldn't see that England was just the handpuppet of the demon whose other hand was up the USSR's ass.

>>22886505
It's funny that people just don't know the Germans offered peace to the Brits over and over again but it kept getting rejected. The Germans didn't even start the war, they went to take Poland back and the Brits started ww2. Before that the Germans were allied with the Zionists and were the first to send Jews back to Israel (Havaara agreement).

What are some good biographies on Hitler that aren’t completely retarded

>>22887132
There is none.
Maybe in the next hundred years.
Read this post and other that not me,but others made.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/41811126/#41819396

>>22887132
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/49426590/#49427895

>>22887132
Hitler's Revolution

>>22887194
>>22887201
This book is great on this topic (Rohkramer, The Fatal Attraction of National Socialism)

Also modern mainstream social histories of Germany basically describe it as a classless utopia that everybody loved

>>22887132
John Toland Hitler.
The Good,The Bad,The Ugly.
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=19A23E04439BA76FCC494971619105A0
The Jpg is from this comment section from this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXt8rU97NMQ

>>22887132
Read this thread
>>/lit/thread/S19335816
it's got a ton of quotes from The Young Hitler I Knew

>>22886672
Fun fact, many of the British had no wish to fight Germany. There had to be a concerned and dedicated effort by the our favorite kikes in the newspapers and wireless radio to mobilize the population against Germany. Even British leadership had to be completely manipulated in to fighting Germany, look up The Focus, and do so beyond the sanitized Wikipedia page.

They printed stories that were entire fabrications which depicted the Germans doing some of the most heinous things to Belgians, like impaling babies on bayonets, eating humans, etc. All of falsehood, much like many of the things that would come after, rendering human fats for soap, lamps fashioned from human skin, etc.

It is always the same.

>>22887309
I remember a poll of Americans on whether we should get involved and it was something like 90% no. Had to spin up that atrocity porn real fuckin' quick.

>>22887194
It just hit me that in a hundred years from now, another hundred years will have passed since a hundred years passed since Hitler did his thing... and people will still be talking about him hundred years later. If nothing else, he left his mark on history.

>>22887309
Carroll Quigley talks in Tragedy & Hope about how the whole "they're melting people down into soap!!!" shit was started as official anti-Central Powers propaganda in WW1, I guess they just dusted it off for round two in WW2?

Apparently people were just so unused to being brazenly manipulated like this that they were ultra-susceptible to it for the first few generations of its use. It was pioneered by the same guys who founded modern advertising, like Bernays. Lippmann (author of Public Opinion) was also a major figure in WW1 propaganda. At this time, Western society was self-consciously transitioning from 19th century "actual faith in liberal democracies" to late 19th century "uhh this shit isn't really working" to 20th century "manufacture of consent regimes." And I mean self-consciously. Guys like Lippmann and major Wall Street / Anglo-American establishment figures (to use Quigley's term) were basically mirroring right-wing and left-wing critiques of they brokenness of actual liberal democratic consensus-building, and openly saying "if we want to maintain stability, we have to start systematically manipulating people now."

Chomsky's old Manufacturing Consent documentary/book is still good, also I recommend watching HyperNormalisation by Adam Curtis to get you in the right frame of mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to72IJzQT5k

>>22887132
Volker Ullrich biographies are good and quite recent. Along the way, he debunks several myths about Adolf Hitler (jewish ancestry...). I think Ian Kershaw ones are decent, but Chuds don't like them.

>>22887320
he'll probably outlast napoleon, if nothing else because the french people will become an irrelevant minority whereas hitler is still promoted constantly as the secular devil in the globohomo theology of the global mutt empire

>>22887132
Volume 6 of My Struggle by Karl Ove Knausgaard completely unironically and I am not kidding in the slightest.

>>22888522
People will remember Alexander the Great, Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler and Jesus forever. I don't think any of them can be truly forgotten, though kids will probably be more familiar with Hitler than Napoleon

>>22884586
FPBP

>>22890189
I'm a Hitler respecter btw that was just drunk shitposting yesterday

>>22890197
I suspected as much, I was just trying to make a more impressive spread of replies for the bait post before (you) RUINED EVERYTHIHNG

>>22890269
I failed again

>>22886505
hmmm yes Hitler wanted to from a tripartite with the other(!) major bourgeois powers in order to divvy up the untapped resources of the USSR.... internation jewry btfo!!!!!

just admit that you LOVE international finance capital... most of your ilk would love (in the most homosexual sense) hereditary banker clans as long as they spoke German and were superficially christian... and maybe if their hair was less frizzy

>>22890402
>Prof. A. J. P. Taylor, the eminent British historian, and hardly a Nazi sympathizer, writes:

>"Fascism, it was claimed, represented the last aggressive stage of capitalism in decline, and its momentum could be sustained only by war. There was an element of truth in this, but not much. The full employment which Nazi Germany was the first European country to possess, depended in large part on the production of armaments; but it could have been provided equally well (and was to some extent) by other forms of public works from roads to great buildings. The Nazi secret was not armament production; it was freedom from the then orthodox principles of economics . . . the argument for war did not work even if the Nazi system had relied on armaments production alone. Nazi Germany was not choking in a flood of arms. On the contrary, the German Generals insists unanimously in 1939 that they were not equipped for war and that many years must pass before “rearmament in depth” had been completed."

>Answering predictions of ruin by orthodox economists throughout the world, Hitler explained that Germany had not withdrawn from world trade but had bypassed the international financial system by means of barter, stating:

>"If certain countries combat the German system this is done in the first instance because through the German method of trading their tricks of international currency and Bourse speculations have been abolished in favor of honest business transactions. . . . We are buyers of good foodstuff and raw materials and suppliers of equally good commodities!"

>More recently a professional economist, Henry C K Liu[18], who can hardly be suspected of Hitlerism, analyzed the methods by which Germany emerged from the Depression:

>"The Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933, at a time when its economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Yet through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies it could exploit, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began. In fact, German economic recovery preceded and later enabled German rearmament, in contrast to the US economy, where constitutional roadblocks placed by the US Supreme Court on the New Deal delayed economic recovery until US entry to World War II put the US market economy on a war footing. While this observation is not an endorsement for Nazi philosophy, the effectiveness of German economic policy in this period, some of which had been started during the last phase of the Weimar Republic, is undeniable."
https://counter-currents.com/2011/08/breaking-the-bondage-of-interesta-right-answer-to-usury-part-4/
https://counter-currents.com/2012/11/two-volumes-by-gottfried-feder/

>>22890402
>fascism was just capitalism in decay!

>Another important point which has now become well established in the historical literature is that despite the official National Socialist ideology on woman's role in society, girls and young women in the youth movement gained new experiences and responsibilities very much outside the domestic sphere. The experience of exercising authority within the organisation collided with the official image of women as mothers, tied to church, children and the chip-pan.
>In this context the HJ generation also argued that there had been a stronger 'social side' to National Socialism than later generations and most outsiders have been willing to acknowledge. Such things as the training competitions, for example, the fact that there were no school fees for the poor, the introduction of coeducation, competitions for the most social factory or more generally working for 'the community' were cited as examples.
>What was the psychological state and social condition of German youth as the war came to an end? There is little doubt that the Nazis' comprehensive youth programme had left a deep impression. More than any previous regime, the Third Reich had created a unified youth, with mentality, attitudes and values that transcended differences of class and region
>Many of the respondents - and not just the enthusiasts - dwelt on the fact that they had been involved in useful and socially meaningful activity. They helped on farms or in land reclamation or collected metal for recycling; they looked after elderly members of the community, collected for the Nazis' 'winter help scheme', knitted for the poor or sent parcels to soldiers at the front. Because of the blanket condemnation of the HJ in the post-war period, our interviewees were at pains to emphasise this positive useful side. Respondents of both sexes believed that their HJ activities had been a lot more worthwhile than the activities of modern youth who 'just hang around outside discos' and did nothing useful.
- Alexander von Plato, "The Hitler Youth generation and its roles in the two postwar German states," in Mark Roseman, ed., Generations in Conflict: Youth Revolt and Generation Formation in Germany, 1770-1968 (Cambridge, England, 1995), 29

>>22890423
continued:
"Most had formed, as we
have seen, their own complex picture of positive and negative
experiences and were now outraged by the blank negative judge-
ment being cast on the Third Reich. Even those who had never
regarded themselves as Nazis found that it was no longer permissible
to mention even the 'positive things' about the Third Reich without
being treated as such.

In fact, the legacy of the HJ experience was ambiguous. On the
one hand, the HJ had encouraged many members and particularly
those who had taken on significant responsibilities within the move-
ment, to be very active. It had conveyed the powerful experience
that for those willing to put in the effort to the collective, the reward
could be considerable personal advancement. The dissolution of the
HJ consequently left a vacuum in the post-war period that cried out
to be filled with new activity ...
The resulting ambivalent outlook was probably extremely significant
in explaining the particular pattern of behaviour which emerged in
both Germanies after the war. Both societies seem to have been
characterised by a willingness to put in enormous effort in return for
recognition and personal advancement.
...
The lesson the HJ generation drew from
the past, then, was Pflichtbewusstsein, a willingness to do one's duty, or
better Leistungsbereitschaft, a willingness to give it everything one
had, largely irrespective of whatever state form or political system
happened to be in operation at the time."

Intredasting. It will take some time to draft up a proper response to >>22890411 especially since I'm kind of retarded. In the meantime, please explain the relevance of the Hitlerjugend's education. I understand that it demonstrates the peculiarities of Nazi social policy but how does that at all represent a break from capitalism

>>22890544
Classless society empirically achieved through national socialism rather than internationalist communism. Even if you WANT internationalist communism, it still makes more sense to go through a national socialism as an intermediary. Actually this is what Marx wanted: what the Nazis did in 1933-1945, Marx thought a Chartist England and a communist Paris-led France would do in 1848, which would cause a knock-on effect (which might take decades) that forced "reactionary nations" to follow suit for their own safety or have internal revolutions anyway. Marx DID NOT think that internationalism was a precondition of socialism in the sense that all workers of the world would spontaneously start hating their nations. He says repeatedly that internationalism of that variety is a red herring designed to distract workers from praxis. When constantly asked about the Polish question for example, he said you can best serve the Polish question by focusing on the English question of socialism within England.

That is actual Marxism. Internationalism in the true sense, Marx and Engels' actual sense of the term, was what followed from nations like this that no longer NEEDED to go to war, because they now turned the industrial machinery to socialist aims, basically mixed command economies, which is, again, what the NSDAP and Fascists did -- which is why they are credited as being the first real welfare states, why the New Deal had to copy from them, etc. Incidentally they were also the first states with robust agrarianist policies and green policies (see How Green Were the Nazis?, a mainstream book).

tldr: Bourgeois society, as riven by class divisions and other outmoded divisions like the classic German rift between the Protestant north and the Catholic south, was basically sublimated into a new "total" socialist economy in exactly the fashion predicted by Marx -- by the fascists. The proof is in the pudding: even mainstream historians and sociologists acknowledge that the Hitlerjugend generation, which remember is the generation that rebuilt postwar Germany and founded the modern European economic order (the Wirtschaftswunder), only did all this BECAUSE they were basically NSDAP in mentality: they were post-class self-sacrificers who were hungry for duty, hungry for opportunities to contribute to the common weal, etc. What did capitalism do to their children and grandchildren?

>>22890584
Also for the record, Lenin also agreed with this definition of internationalism:
>the recognition of the right of the nations oppressed by tsarism to free secession from Russia is absolutely obligatory for Social-Democracy in the interests of its democratic and socialist tasks.

>Victorious socialism must achieve complete democracy and, consequently, not only bring about the complete equality of nations, but also give effect to the right of oppressed nations to self-determination, i.e., the right to free political secession. Socialist Parties which fail to prove by all their activities now, as well as during the revolution and after its victory, that they will free the enslaved nations and establish relations with them on the basis of a free union and a free union is a lying phrase without right to secession—such parties would be committing treachery to socialism.

>Just as mankind can achieve the abolition of classes only by passing through the transition period of the dictatorship of the oppressed class, so mankind can achieve the inevitable merging of nations only by passing through the transition period of complete liberation of all the oppressed nations, i.e., their freedom to secede.

>The proletariat cannot but fight against the forcible retention of the oppressed nations within the boundaries of a given state, and this is exactly what the struggle for the right of self-determination means. The proletariat must demand the right of political secession for the colonies and for the nations that “its own” nation oppresses. Unless it does this, proletarian internationalism will remain a meaningless phrase; mutual confidence and class solidarity between the workers of the oppressing and oppressed nations will be impossible; the hypocrisy of the reformist and Kautskyan advocates of self-determination who maintain silence about the nations which are oppressed by “their” nation and forcibly retained within “their” state will remain unexposed.

>No democrat, let alone a socialist, will venture to deny the complete legitimacy of the Ukraine’s demands. And no democrat can deny the Ukraine’s right to freely secede from Russia. Only unqualified recognition of this right makes it possible to advocate a free union of the Ukrainians and the Great Russians, a voluntary association of the two peoples in one state. Only unqualified recognition of this right can actually break completely and irrevocably with the accursed tsarist past, when everything was done to bring about a mutual estrangement of the two peoples so close to each other in language, territory, character and history. Accursed tsarism made the Great Russians executioners of the Ukrainian people, and fomented in them a hatred for those who even forbade Ukrainian children to speak and study in their native tongue.

Why? Because he understood Marx, the real Marx, the Marx I outlined just above. The Marx who wanted local, national socialist revolutions.

>>22890591
>>22890584
alright you mogged me hard enough that I realize that I'm not going to be able to deliver, I doubt you're actually correct but I need to read more and read deeper

bump

>>22887309
https://www.bitchute.com/video/cbq7IelT0cEn/
Generally a good example of British attitudes during and leading up to WW2.