/lit/ - Literature

Why are Kellhus's sons so autistic in The Aspie-Emperor? Is it hereditary?

R. Scott Bakker is The King

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Why did the Great Ordeal fail?

>>22828124
Is page count a factor for you when deciding what to read?

>>22828180
>Go to novelupdates
>Check tags for no harem
>Check tags for complete translation
simple as

>>22828137
it's because they're creations of Bakker's, and the author cannot but reveal himself in everything he writes

>>22828137
It's Esmenet's fault. Dunyain men can barely have children with human women, they spent centuries cultivating their own females into perfect breeding tanks, plus Esmenet was already a post-wall roastie, it's a miracle that their children didnt have two heads like bashrags. Kellhus' trueborn descendants from Ishual were absolute gigachads.

>>22828391
Esmenet is a Black QUEEN.
>Tfw no cute brown gf

>>22828256
>he needs a translation

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

>>22828492
I am not a bug and don't read chinese.

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

About to start in on some edgy boy shit, bros.

>>22828180
Yes. I generally don't bother with short stories

how are the following series?
>The Black Company
>Lies of Locke Lamora
>Darkness that Comes Before
>A Fire upon the deep trilogy

>>22828883
>The Black Company
Book 1 is good
>>Lies of Locke Lamora
-
>>Darkness that Comes Before
Masterpiece.
>>A Fire upon the deep trilogy
Many people recommend it here but personally I did not enjoy it.

>>22828492
japanese need a translation for their own language

>>22828950
console for children has a translation for children
nothing surprising

>>22828951
I have a degree in Japanese and can't read it.

>>22828961
>I have a degree in Japanese
There's your problem.

>>22828684
Sensing my change in attitude, the boy looked back at me before scampering away. He pointed out into the forest. “Muck is that way. He lives in a big hole by the Temple of the Pig. You’ll know it when you see it.”
I smiled a little, eyes meeting his, “Thanks, kid. Good luck to you.”
The boy spat at me, “Fuck you. I’m telling you where Muck is so he can rip you apart. See you around, Sky Sludge.”
I blinked as the boy scrambled off into the woods, disappearing from sight.
What a little bastard.

kek based.

>>22828963
Imagine being such a linguistichad you can get N1. Even the Japanese admit that it's too hard for native speakers now.

>>22828964
The main character turns him into his pomegranate after this scene right?

>>22828991
Yes.

>>22828139
the king of unfinished books lmao

>>22828180
Yeah. I avoid anything that isn't a stand alone work.

>>22828974
>N1レベルは日本人であっても満点を取ることが難しいとされており、合格率は平均して30%前後です。 そのため、母語が日本語ではない人の取得はすごいと言えます。
>日本語能力試験の対象者となるのは母語が日本語ではない人です。そのため、基本的には日本人は受験できません。
Looks like what's difficult for them is to pass with full marks, which I don't think should be surprising considering most people wouldn't be able to pass a high level language test with full marks for their native language without deliberately studying for it. If Japanese people (excluding the rare person who has full Japanese citizenship but doesn't know Japanese) can't take the test, then I can only see the judgement for the test being too difficult even for native speakers coming from the people in charge of curating the questions for the test, or perhaps the odd nerd here and there who decides to go online and take practice tests for proficiency tests for their own native language, in which case they'd still be right, but that'd only be because most Japanese people aren't studying for the 日本語能力試験. Either way, the tougher the test is the better. Who wants the test which, should the test-taker pass it, certifies them to be practically as good at the language as a native speaker, to be so easy that dumbass foreigners would be able to pass it without even being able to read your typical news article, job application, medical form, short story, or explain why slightly rarer grammar points like が早いか work?

>>22829061
based and truly cares about stories pilled

>>22828964
A great weight settled over me and I felt meaty fingers pry my legs apart. I struggled and squealed, the dawning anticipation crushing me with overwhelming horror.
Hot breath blasted on the back of my neck as Muck settled himself into position, one hand pressing my shoulders to the ground, the other fiddling with his now erect penis. I gritted my teeth, world shaking, fingers clenched into fists.
And then Muck began to rape me.

Welp he found Muck.

>>22829149
Why are you reading this?

>>22829172
Why wouldn't I?

>>22828883
>>The Black Company
Based
>>Lies of Locke Lamora
Reddit tier
>>Darkness that Comes Before
Chud tier
>>A Fire upon the deep trilogy
One of the last great space operas before scifi died

>>22829149
I grow weary of sexual violence in fantasy. It is no longer edgy or "gritty realism", it's just nasty fetish shit and the writer is subjecting me to their kink.

>>22829177
epic newfag post wish i could upvote

>>22829149
LMAO maybe he shoulda listened to that kid when he confidently told the MC where whatever this "muck" is

>>22829180
>it's just nasty fetish shit and the writer is subjecting me to their kink.
It gets pretty fucking obvious when they write it like it's erotica and not like some actually reprehensible shit is going on.

>>22829187
Shut up bakker
Why did the great ordeal fail?

So I'm on Malazan now that I've finished WoT and I like it so far, but I'm struggling with it. Maybe because I'm listening to it on audiobook rather than reading (listen while going to and from work and on break. I used to read a lot but I struggle now) I keep losing track of characters. Thinking of just buying it physical instead, though It'll take far longer for me to finish it.

>>22829217
>based
>chud
little 2020+ newfag can't be more than 16 years old. maybe if you're good today, daddy won't rape you again lmao

>>22829061
this is the real uphill battle. everyone's part of a goddamn series or at least a trilogy.

>>22829234
Not if you go back and just read the stuff that came out before series became trendy. Most of that stuff is better, anyway.

>>22829236
bingo
Someone make a chart of good standalones. I'll start. Early John Crowley like The Deep and Engine Summer. Darrell Schweitzer's the mask of the sorcerer.

>>22829217
Every chapter was like: The Great Ordeal made a pitstop by a shallow pond. Countless Thousands perished. I'm surprised those lemmings made it as far as they did.

>>22829265
A chart for good standalones would be incredibly large. Although if anyone feels like making one i'd like to nominate Replay by Ken Grimwood

>>22829177
>One of the last great space operas before scifi died
Why though? Why is nothing of such grand scale produced anymore? Even fanfiction and selfpublished shit from 15 years ago is better than what we have now.

>>22829290
Is there any more fantasy to this besides the premise? Not really interested in some boomer reliving his college years desu

>finished a new chapter of the fantasy novel I'm writing
Feels good. How's your's coming along, /sffg/? You are writing your own novel instead of just impotently complaining about the state of sf/f, right?

>>22829343
ive been mentally writing it for years. never put pen to paper though.

>>22829358
Doesn't count. Boot up that word processor, anon.

>>22829358
Thats called thinking (procrastinating).

>>22828883
I literally just finished the 'Zones of Thought' trilogy (a fire upon the deep, a darkness in the sky and children of the sky).

It's an amazing space opera that goes in so many different directions.

I would suggest it wholeheartedly. Vernor Vinge became one of my favorite authors of all time after 'a fire upon the deep' and his short story 'True Names'.

>>22829343
I lack the discipline to begin daily rote writing, no matter the amount of progress. I do have a few pages of random notes/ideas over time, and a paltry attempted chapter and a half, plus some handful of pages of another scene. While it is lacking in all regards, I have at least cultivated beyond the mental realm to the keyboard realm.

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>>22829362
Nah, the world and characters are better in abstract form. Whenever it gets close to hard storytelling it sounds shit. I'll just keep it an abstract fantasy I can retreat to when I'm bored.
Props to you for putting pen to paper though. Hope it turns out well.

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>>22829364
Great posts anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good??!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good??? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?

>>22829370
In the middle. Yes. Ok. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, No. No. Stop at God Emperor. Yes. Yes. Sort of. Yes. Yes (try metro). Yes. Yes. 2024. Yes. Yes. No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Lady. Book 3. Sorry to hear that. Yes. Book 2. No idea. In the middle. In the middle. Dunsany. Yes.

>>22829325
Just the timeloop. There's a lot more meat on the bone than the synopsis suggests. Although the first section of the book is boomer power fantasy, but I'd argue it's necessary groundwork for the rest of the story.

>>22829366
>I lack the discipline to begin daily rote writing
Then don't. Just start by writing whenever an idea comes to you.
>I do have a few pages of random notes/ideas over time
Good. You're not a complete idiot.

>>22829343
who/what is your least developed important character that needs more work or fleshing out?

>>22829390
In terms of what's been written or in terms of what I have outlined?

>>22829370
This guy and the other anons are asking the real questions. Keep it up

>>22829435
dunno. whichever one applies i guess

>>22829453
Probably the elderly blind crone mystic anti-villain. She a major player in the central conflict, but most of her affect is seen through her pawns. I want to eventually flesh her out to explain how she came to be and why she is so invested.

>>22829325
>>/lit/thread/16696237#p16702967

so is dune worth reading? i saw a boxset with the first three books for $10 and i was thinking of buying it

>>22829478
>Evil old hags
That's my fetish, i Will now read your book

>>22829343
Maybe one day once I learn how to create a basic story structure, themes and good grammar. Until then, it's writing trash tier fanfiction slop for me.

>>22829478
Neat. I like witches. Especially the crones from Witcher 3 - who were initially ambiguous in there evil/good alignment.

>>22829505
It's the one I was shilling with the infographic a month or two back, so take that as you will.

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>>22829290
It's possible I could make a list next year, but anything to do with graphic design would have to be done by someone else. What's the most that ought to be included? 10, 25, 50, 100? A separate list that has a lot more than the chart which only has the best is also possible.

Is there any blatant wish fulfillment fantasy/isekai book but written in English? I can't wait for translations anymore...

>>22829748
There are a lot more SF standalones, so it would probably more useful for fantasy.

>>22828124
>It all began when Pat Rothfuss was born to a marvelous set of parents. Throughout his formative years they encouraged him to do his best, gave him good advice, and were no doubt appropriately dismayed when he failed to live up to his full potential.
>In high-school Pat was something of a class clown. His hobbies included reading a novel or two a day and giving relationship advice to all his friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl. He also role-played and wrote terrible stories about elves. He was pretty much a geek.
>Most of Pat's adult life has been spent in the University Wisconsin Stevens Point. In 1991 he started college in order to pursue a career in chemical engineering, then he considered clinical psychology. In 1993 he quit pretending he knew what he wanted to do with his life, changed his major to "undecided," and proceeded to study whatever amused him. He also began writing a book....
>For the next seven years Pat studied anthropology, philosophy, eastern religions, history, alchemy, parapsychology, literature, and writing. He studied six different martial arts, practiced improv comedy, learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women. He also began writing a satirical advice column which he continues to this day: The College Survivial Guide. Through all of this he continued to work on his novel.
>In 2000 Pat went to grad school for English literature. Grad school sucked and Pat hated it. However, Pat learned that he loved to teach. He left in 2002 with his masters degree, shaking the dust from his feet and vowing never to return. During this period of time his novel was rejected by roughly every agent in the known universe.
>Now Pat teaches half-time at his old school as an assistant-sub-lecturer. He is underpaid but generally left alone to do as he sees fit with his classes. He is advisor for the college feminists, the fencing club, and, oddly enough, a sorority. He still roll-plays occasionally, but now he does it in an extremely sophisticated, debonair way.
>Through a series of lucky breaks, he has wound up with the best agent and editor imaginable, and the first book of his trilogy has been published under the title "The Name of the Wind."
>Though it has only been out since April 2007, it has already been sold in 26 foreign countries and won several awards.
>Pat has been described as "a rough, earthy iconoclast with a pipeline to the divine in everyone's subconscious." But honestly, that person was pretty drunk at the time, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt.

i finished it
>>22807149
i liked it. some of the characters and bits of plot were a bit lazy and the final final ending paragraph was kinda anticlimactic but i loved the overall universe and plot. i definitely preferred purslane's chapters over campion, though, i felt she was better written and had more depth to her character whereas campion was a bit wooden and one-sided. i specially liked the humor in purslane's interactions with cadence, those were funny to read.

i also liked the idea of weaving that abigail prologue into the narrative BUT i didn't like that in the latter half it turned into that meandering palatial sub-plot and i also felt they didn't really have anything to do with what was happening in the present.

as a final though, i'm kinda surprised the author hasn't revisited this universe since this book (besides a short story that i will be reading next). i feel like it has tons of potential.

>>22829265
Someone please do this. I don’t read 80 percent of the books people recc on here because I’m not getting myself into a 20 book series let alone a 3 book series. I remember there was one chart floating around but it was fuckin trash

Read Mao Ni

>>22828514
that's japanese, dumb mutt

>>22828684
I just finished this. What did I think of it? Well I actually enjoyed it. It's edgy, but it doesn't wallow in its edginess like the average grimderp novel does. It's like the edgiest adventure novel you'll ever read, but at its core is the timeless story of a man just trying to save the woman he loves.

>>22829752
>Is there any blatant wish fulfillment fantasy/isekai book but written in English? I can't wait for translations anymore...
The entire haremlit genre? Quite a few works on RR? What makes you think that waiting for chapters/books in English is any better than waiting for translations?

>>22828159
Because of the darkness that comes before

Is there any litrpg where the main character mainly uses non-combat skills? Not stuff like healers or supporters, something without combat entirely, like stealth, speech checks etc. Like a detective or spy or something like that

>>22830080
I believe royalroad has a few like that. Haven't really read any of them but https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/55927/the-newt-and-demon-cozy-alchemy-slice-of-life is on my to-try list and it's supposedly without combat. I feel like there were some dungeon core stories where the MC wants to stuff like a restaurant or bed & breakfast and similar silly shit, too.

>>22830100
That one sounds like a snore fest and the silly ones are not for me either. I want the thrill just without the combat part. Like when someone attempts a non combat run to clear a sandbox game's main quest, using only speech checks and stealth and other peacful ways to resolve conflicts

>>22830119
Good luck trying to find something like that. Subtlety is really not the strength of litrpg writers. I doubt many of them play RPGs that aren't MMOs to begin with.

>>22830080
There are tons like that, but everything like that eventually morphs into the guy being so overleveled that he can kill 99% of people with his pinky.

>>22830080
>litrpg

>>22830186
>my personality
>I save reaction gifs for when somebody mentions the most popular current genre of /sff/, why do you ask?

>>22830188
I assure you no one has ever asked about my personality

I really wish the guys who upload the things I like to kemono would stop dawdling.

>>22830186
based
>>22830188
>litrpg
>popular

>>22829343
My attention was elsewhere mostly, only 400 or so words in new composition and some clarity or additional, necessary details added in a previous chapter. Around 55k words so far.

>>22830184
Is there even any non OP protagonists in litrpg?

>>22830253
There are, but they get around it with parties or by being slice of life nothingburgers.
The best you get is xianxia-likes where the character (in order to power up faster) jumps into a big pond before he is ready.

>>22830266
There are also manager type novels where the mc is relatively weak but his disciples/pokemans/parties are minmaxed

>>22830253
>Is there even any non OP protagonists in litrpg?
Depends on what you mean by OP? Would you consider the MCs in Super Supportive or Elydes OP? They are clearly extraordinary in their potentials and in some regards outclass their peers but only by the standards of their immediate environments. If those don't count as OP then it's not as uncommon for litrpg MCs to not be OP.

>>22830080
Would The Game at Carousel fit your requirements?

I can't say whether Banks had hit his head sometimes between 1989 and 1990 or whatever else, but even after just 20 pages it's evident that pic related is so much better than Consider Phlebas and even The Player of Games it's a wonder they've been written by the same author.

>>22830279
>Would The Game at Carousel fit your requirements?
Exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks anon

>>22830253
isn't becoming OP the entire fucking point of litrpg?
what a shit tiktok level genre

rec some vampire kino

>>22830385
I'm reading interview with vampire and it's pretty fucking kino
What I expected: Twilight
What I got: Aesthetic, ethnics, morality, mortality, more aesthetic

>>22830485
It's good before Antonio Banderas shows up.

>>22828883
Lies of Locke Lamora is a fun heist story in a fantasy Venetian setting that makes it stand out. Book 2 suffers from the "let's have a pirate adventure syndrome" and book 3 is okay as a romance story.

Black Company is decent, just don't waste your time reading when they go to the southern contient, unless you're really into Hinduism.

Bakker's work is pure kino. LOTR just omega edgy.

Bakker is KING

>>22829149
>he
>guy gets raped by anything other than a hot milf
Why would anyone read this?

Trying Black Company. Why is the prose so damn stilted? It flows like buttery blood through the arteries of an obese man.
Is Gene Cook just really shit? Why wasn't I warned? Does he ever learn how to not write like a retard with a thesaurus?

>>22830283
maybe he just felt that readers would need to be eased into the Culture by a couple of entry-level potboilers before they would even understand UoW? nonetheless I agree with you

>>22829306
>Why is nothing of such grand scale produced anymore?
it implies that there are things of greater importance than one woman's STRUGGLE to overcome her father's inattention (symbolised by a male-dominated society)

Is there basically any Light Novel or similarly short fantasy story that isn't mid?

Nothing too long. I just want some light reading.

>>22830769
conan

Never read any scifi. Is children of time a good start?

>>22830892
What do you read if you've already read conan?

>>22830904
>Modern scifi
No, scifi died in 1999

>>22830684
The prose is informed by the narrator, who changes over the course of the series.

>>22830516
The Books of the South are the best part of the series by far

>>22831088
>The prose is informed by the narrator, who changes over the course of the series.
So what you're saying is that it's retarded on purpose? Or is that a post hoc cope?

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see
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>>22829630
>the one I was shilling with the infographic
huh?

It really annoys me when people are not able to analyze a story within the context of its setting and need to pull in references to real world things.
All stories are, of course, inspired by reality in one way or another and they very often contain commentary on the real world as well.
But they also have themes, ideas, and events that only make sense when viewed through the setting that the writer has created.

Dune discussion recently has annoyed me. In the first place, people often ignore the rest of the series outside of the first book. But other than that they seem to only discuss the book in how it applies to the real world.
Of course, Dune doesn't hide its references and messages about real world issues, but what I love about it is its ability to take these things and place them in this detailed sci-fi setting that has unique issues all its own.
Dune faces moral dilemmas that humanity is currently struggling with, but also dilemmas that humanity may one day need to address in equal measure.
Boiling it down to the issues of the current day is a disservice to the creativity and forward-thinking of the author.

>reading Jack Vance, Dying Earth stories
>Sun is dying
>Sun only emits red light
>Red has the longest wavelength, lowest energy, if it is scattered it can only become more red or go infrared
>For some reason the author describes things that are green, blue, brown and other colours
>green glass
>pale green larch
>dark blue sky
Nice "sci-fi" guys

>>22831221
>read the Dying Earth Omnibus (Tales of)
>formatted worse than some faggot's first draft book, rife with misspellings on top
WHY
OF ALL BOOKS TO BE LIKE THIS

>>22831186
The one with the AI slop portraits.

>>22831221
This reminds me to fucking drop Jack Vance few ranks in my chart. What a horrible book this is. No wonder people (rightfully) think scifi is shit.

>>22831221
You are autistic, and not in the good and useful way.

>>22831209
DUDE
SPICE IS OIL
DUDE

>>22831221
>thinks vance's dying earth is sf
it's sudoku time

>>22831335
Oh yea I'm sorry. I should have just called it shit.

>>22831233
Glad to see you're still around. Got any more excerpts to share?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CNDDLDYQ came out recently. I think I'm the only one who read the first book, Blade of Ghosts. I don't remember much beyond there being two or three significant plot twists that were well presented.
I succumbed to some royalroad exploration last night and grabbed Path of the Berserker. It has one whole mention in the archive. I hope it develops into a proper power fantasy where MC gets revenge and fucks shit up. I really do want to find some actual legitimate power fantasy as the popular options are lacking and do not quite fill me. I grabbed something called Jester of Apocalypse to add to the backlog too.
Imagine Carl the Cultivator; please give me eight books of that to read right now, AI overlords

>>22831353
Sure
https://pastes.io/tgjnkyy90m

>>22831369
Read Genius Warlock.

>>22831233
>feminist princesses
>girl fighters
>swarthy foreigners
>reluctant warriors
>homosexuals
pls

>>22831530
Ask and ye shall receive ;^)

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>>22830942
Moorcock and Lieber come to mind

It took half a year, but I finally completed this read. Disappointingly, it's not great. The storyline is simple, but any interesting parts are lost in a sea of nothingness. Descriptions like "he looked the same as always, pupils dilating while Heaven and Earth trembled, shocking to the extreme!" overwhelm the narrative. The author initially sets up a structure with "Training arcs" and "Tournament arcs," but by the end, it's all abandoned, making for a frustrating experience. There are intriguing concepts, such as the "realm" being a means for the "realm creator" to restore vitality, using Meng Hao's rebirth ability. However, these are buried in unnecessary complexity.

The mix of Confucian and Maoist ethics in the storyline falls flat; there's a lack of consistent values as characters act erratically.

Meng Hao starts off decently but later becomes a clichéd protagonist. The notion of a formidable opponent opposing him fades away, and innovation seems nonexistent across billions of years. Plotlines are dropped abruptly, techniques and items built up are forgotten without explanation, and rules seem to bend conveniently to the author's whim. The excessive filler content, driven by hitting character quotas, makes the experience terrible.

Female characters are poorly written, often depicted as flawless with ambiguous feelings towards Meng Hao, resembling a perpetually pending harem.

The terminology used, referencing Heavens, Earth, Devils, Demons, Gods, and Immortals, lacks coherent explanation. The distinction between mortals and immortals, their realms, and the inconsistency in the portrayal of space and ground creates confusion. The cycle of reincarnation and its governance further add to the befuddlement.

In essence, the writing style is subpar, the plot lacks depth, and the main character falls into the realm of clichés.

>>22831685
I only read the first few chapters where he got kidnapped and taken to a sect, from the beginning I did not like the style of writing and plot. The entire sect competition thing where he won his item but could not keep it made no sense and felt like some mental gymnastic on authors part.

>>22831705
That's somewhat part of the plot. The new leader of the sect changes the name of the sect and foster a cutthroat culture to dirty the name of the previous sect.

It falls flat because no one fucking knows the previous sect or the people that founded it. In fact is contradictory because the "League of the Demon Sealers" are supposed to be only 9 people. And I mean ONLY 9 people in total for all history. And then it falls flat again because everywhere else is cutthroat.

>>22831685
who cares

Imagine.

how long would it take to read the wandering inn

>>22828883
>A Fire upon the deep trilogy
Is the entire trilogy some furry trash 3deep5me packmind garbage? Tell me if the wolfretard race gets genocided so I know if I should drop this.

>>22831685
That's the kiss of death of cultivation stories: meandering plot movement.

Malazan

>>22831838
I'm only 5 hours into the audiobook but I like this Hairlock fellow. I hope he does something cool.

>>22831775
I imagine her with JEJ's voice

>audiobook

>>22831868
I don't have much free time to read, so I listen while going to and from work. Not ideal, but it's my only option

Everyone knows that the best Forgotten Realms books are the Dark Elf Trilogy and that the best Star Wars books are the Thrawn Trilogy. Warhammerfags, can you tell me what the equivalent Warhammer books are? The most iconic, beloved entries in the series?

>>22831917
fantasy or 40k?

What's a good example of something that stats as fantasy but ends up scifi?

>>22831924
I didn't know there was a difference, but my impression was that Warhammer was a fantasy/sci-fi hybrid type of thing, so I guess that means 40K.

>>22831952
There's 40k, the sci-f version (there's also the Horus Heresy, or 30k, but that's a bit of a rabbit hole if your new to the setting.)
Fantasy, the well, fantasy version. (it blew up and got rebooted into age of sigmar)
and Age of Sigmar which is fantasy but it's a bit bland.

There's a lot of books and everyone has a different opinion but I'll just throw out some 40k series people really enjoy:
Gaunt's Ghosts
Ciaphas Cain (my first 40k books, they get repetitive but I have a special soft spot bias for it. It makes a decent intro)
Eisenhorn
Nightlords omnibus
Helsreach (single book but it's pretty fucking good)

For Fantasy, you can't go wrong with the Gotrek and Felix books.

For age of Sigmar, I dunno. I have the Gloomspite book but haven't got around to reading it yet.

>>22831685
What the fuck is the name of it?

>>22831952
Gaunt's Ghosts is by far the best series.

>>22831989
I Shall Seal the Heavens

>>22831952
Anything by Dan Abnet is complete shit. Read that stuff only if you're a redditor into feminism, diversity, and blatant disregard of both physics and established lore.

Nightlords trilogy is great. 40k does not get much better than that. Most books by Aaron Dembski Bowden are good. Christ Wraight and Guy Haley are good too with very few bad books.

>>22830769
ISSTH or ATG

>>22832021
ATotPH and CBAT >>>> that shit

>>22831685
>characters act erratically.
Not really. And how did this take you half a year?
You are complaining that the world didn't become scifi after a few billion years of cultivation? No shit. There are oldfarts who are billions of years old all over the place, it would have happened before.
>terminology lacks explaination
It's well known.

>>22831685
>Meng Hao starts off decently but later becomes a clichéd protagonist.
As his character has been established an other characters are introduced. Even then You can't tell me that he doesn't develop after his experience in the pond (I believe his first long cultivation).

>>22832009
How does Abnet disregard the lore
>disregards physics
Huh?

>>22831233
Make the evil old hag adopt a boy and it will be Kino. Wine aunts love that shit despite the sexual undertones.

>>22832023
>CBAT
The Hudson Mohawke track?

>>22832023
SS and F >>>>> CS and F

>>22832038
>Wine aunts love that shit despite the sexual undertones
>despite
How adorably naive.

>>22832038
I'm not writing fantasy for wine aunts, Rebecca Yarros has that demo locked.

>>22831775
Question about "steel or flesh" suddenly takes a whole different meaning.

>>22832059
>I'm not writing fantasy for wine aunts
Only wine aunts and divorced moms buy books in america

>>22832088
Then my story will sell zero copies. Oh well.

>>22828883
>>The Black Company
only know this one and it's very mediocre and shallow once you have enough frames of reference.

>>22828124
What where the cultivation manwha reading sites again? I stopped for a while and now I forgot all their names

>>22830684
>Is Gene Cook just really shit?
he is shit.

>>22832096
Is that the story about female mc or smth?

>>22832053
One explanation is that older women may be attracted to the contrast between their maturity and experience and the innocence and curiosity of younger men. They may enjoy the challenge of teaching, mentoring, or protecting them from the dangers of the world. They may also find them more appealing because they are less likely to have unrealistic expectations or demands from them.

Another explanation is that older women may be influenced by the stereotypes and norms of their society, which often portray older women as powerful, confident, and dominant figures who can seduce and control younger men. These stereotypes may reflect a desire for validation, admiration, or escape from their own problems or limitations. They may also serve as a way of coping with loneliness, boredom, or dissatisfaction with their own lives.

A third explanation is that older women may simply prefer books that feature this type of romance because they enjoy the thrill of imagining themselves in such a situation. They may fantasize about being with someone who is younger than them in terms of physical appearance, energy level, or outlook on life. They may also find it exciting to explore different aspects of their sexuality or identity through this relationship.

Of course, these are not the only possible explanations for why older women seem to like books with underage men in relationships with older women. There may be other factors involved, such as personal taste, mood, context, or purpose. Ultimately, it is up to each individual reader to decide what they like and why they like it.

>Ultimately, it is up to each individual reader to decide what they like and why they like it.
Why the fuck do you like Xianxia. It's not pretentious like all good books should be.

>>22832138
There is no true mc, it's an ensemble cast

>>22832157
>no mc
Dropped in an attosecond.

>>22832160
Cool, you're not my target demo

>>22832157
So a party. Are there any females in the party? Are there any lgbt in the party?

>>22832160
Kek

>>22832170
Whaaat?

>>22832171
There are multiple parties, some opposing. Some have no women or LGBT people, some of one or both.
>DROPPED!
See: >>22832170

>>22832036
>How does Abnet disregard the lore
For instance by having a human inquisitor kill a chaos space marine in melee. Or by describing a black man with "achingly gorgeous dark skin" and "sex on a stick", which is just retarded in any universe.
>Huh?
A notable example is when Gaunt stopped a maglev train by covering the tracks with their coats.

>>22832149
>These stereotypes may reflect a desire for validation, admiration, or escape from their own problems or limitations. They may also serve as a way of coping with loneliness, boredom, or dissatisfaction with their own lives.
I think it's this, it's pretty sad but there are a lot of married women who have their lives blighted by quiet desperation, joyless and loveless sex and existential ennui.

>>22832052
SSotF? Yeah, it's alright. I haven't read CSF.

>>22832196
>I'll let you fuck the teenager next door if you let me bring home trannies.
I know she wants to but she just bitches whenever I bring it up.

>>22832182
DROPPDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

>>22832198
Anon...
SSaF=Sneed's Seed and Feed
CSF=Chuck's Suck and Fuck

>>22832186
>Or by describing a black man with "achingly gorgeous dark skin" and "sex on a stick",
Goodness.

>>22832186
>For instance by having a human inquisitor kill a chaos space marine in melee
Don't see a problem with this, lorefags are cringe anyway

>>22831917
Malus Darkblade / Gotrek and Felix

>>22832234
It's even possible in the tabletop lol, where in the lore is this literally impossible?

>>22832234
There are few million space marines in the entire universe, and they're presented as a significant fighting force. Creating one space marine requires deaths of hundreds of people. The only way this equation makes any sense at all is if space marines are vastly superior to regular soldiers, which is precisely what they are. In most books, a space marine is equivalent to practically endless number of soldiers, and duelling one would be about the same as you duelling a modern battle tank with an airsoft gun.

>>22832249
Are you retarded? The tabletop is a game. It goes by the rules of what is fun, not by what is lore accurate. If it were lore-accurate, a single space marine on one side would wipe out everything the other guy brings.

>>22832286
Based Abnet shitting on your mary sue power fantasy

>>22832249
>It's even possible in the tabletop lol,
90% of WH40K fans never played the game, they just watch "le epic 4hours lorevid about the time captain Fatfuck Cockblade killed 10000 chaos marines with his cum on the planet tightpussy" DUDE THAT'S SO MANLY AND ALPHA, DUDE

>>22832291
Right.... Do you even know what 40k is? Oh I get it, you're fellating Abnet for his descriptions of sexy black men.

>>22832303
It's hard to believe that you people are even literate if you seriously argue that the tabletop is an accurate representation of the lore.

>>22832307
A literal star god can move 8 inches, and its weapon skill is 2+!!! It's on the table top, so that's the lore!111

>>22830080
Skill Trainer is somewhat like that. It's on RR. It's meh.

>>22832307
YOU TELL THEM BORTHER!!1 THAT'S HERESY HAHA
FOR THE EMPEROR, AIMRIGHT FELLOW CHUDMARINES?!

>>22832352

>>22832360
Yes, most wh40k are trannies. Why? Same as Sonic, why do mentally ill people like it so much?

>>22831348
>>22831284
Dying earth is clearly fantasy. What did you think that "Mazirian the Magician" was going to be?

>>22832414
What kind of sick retard fantasizes about the earth dying. Just stick to loli if you are going to go full retard.

>>22832419
>What kind of sick retard fantasizes about the earth dying
modern """progressives"""

22832419
dumb newfag post

22832439
Full retard

>>22832419
>Just stick to loli if you are going to go full retard.
Are there any fantasy or scifi books with lolis?

>>22830080
Super Supportive's protagonist is just good at carrying stuff but there's basically zero fighting in it so far.
It's more of a coming of age/interpersonal drama.
Also it's kind of a fake litrpg, levelling up and stats are not the focus in the slightest.

>>22832500
Yes, millions. If you mean moderately or more erotic then there are only tens of thousands. Mostly web/email novels. Check the last thread.

>>22832414
It depends. If there is a scientific explanation (heat death of the universe, depletion of natural resources) for the earth dying then it's scifi but if there is a magical explanation (cursed water in Warcraft, demons arriving in Diablo, etc) then it's fantasy.

>>22832525
you're conflating an earth that's dying appearing in a hypothetical book and the Dying Earth genre
Only the latter is actually relevant or being discussed

>>22832303
You really watch over every Warhammer related thread just to post this comment.

>>22832533
>you're conflating an earth that's dying appearing in a hypothetical book
Yeah, those are called fiction.

>>22832303
I'm not a massive fan of abnett (the only warhammer authors I actually like are Sandy Mitchell and William King who were both just blatantly ripping off popular genre works) but it is interesting how so much of his backlash seems to have started since the guy reading out a wiki videos became big

>>22832500
>Are there any fantasy or scifi books with lolis?
I am sure there are some works on asstr that are technically science fiction and lolicon.

>>22832541
Oh you're esl, never mind

>>22832547
Stop projecting

>dying earth
>>>/lit/Disturbing

>>22832550
There's Jack Vance's Dying Earth (short story anthology)
and there's Dying Earth (The Genre).
Jack Vance's Dying Earth is a work of fantasy.
The Dying Earth genre can have stories in fantasy or in science fiction. You can't say that Vance's stories is sci-fi, but you can't say that all dying earth stories are fantasy either.

>>22832564
>You can't say that Vance's stories is sci-fi,
Lmao, ESL

>>22832097
how dare you

>>22828180
Not really. I read everything from novellas to epic fantasy series comprised of door stopper tomes. I used to be a lot choosier about getting into very long series / very thick books because I insisted on finishing every book I started, but I haven't bothered with that in over a decade, and it makes it a lot easier to just jump into new things knowing I can simply stop reading them if I get bored.

>>22831868
It is ten times harder to understand than just reading.
t. ESL

>>22831530
>knightgirl doesn't wanna be a fighter, she just wants to be a pretty girl
Name 3 books with this character, chud so I can read them

>>22832886
It's really rare for a princess to just want to be a princess instead of a strong independent woman who doesn't need no man. The only one I can think of right now is Sansa Stark.

I'm not sure if a knight girl who doesn't want to be a knight girl even makes sense as a concept. How would she transgress gender roles and become a knight if she doesn't want to be one?

I haven't read anything in ages
When's the next Malazan or cosmere book coming out

>>22832097
>Enough frames of reference
What does this mean? You know the black company books are old right?

>>22832925
Anon writing the story here.
She wants to be a princess, she just wants to serve her family's interests with the agency of a prince. Her father invested so much education in her and she wants to use it, instead of being pawned off to be some lord's fourth wife to be his baby factory.
Knightgirl isn't actually a knight, those don't exist in this setting. She is a slave who is being trained to be the princess's personal guard. The slave-warrior culture is all-female. Basically harem guards that double as shock infantry and assassins.

>>22832886
Talia from the arrows trilogy, she just wants to get married and have kids but duty keeps calling her.

>>22828630
How could people like Azarinth Healer? I don't want female protags in my self-insert slop.

>>22829149
picked up

>>22832989
Yes you do, tee-hee.

>>22832989
The feMC is a sociopathic bisexual roastie

>>22829343
I write schizo ramblings that will neither get published nor deserve to be.

>>22833003
So a tranny author self insert. Like every story on rr. Not surprising.

>>22828630
You ever notice how in western litrpg apocalypse the governments just seem to instantly collapse while eastern writers tend to have the government be ultra competent in dealing with the threat.
I wonder which one is closer to reality.

I was reading Ursula K. Le Guin's old blog and at some point it led me down to the rabbit hole of fantasy writers seething at J.K. Rowling.

>>22833164
why would ursula k le guin care about that hack

>>22832783
i'm also an esl and love reading in english, though

>>22833169
She literally doesn't. I mean, she's been dead for five years.

>larry niven is 85 years old
i don't want him to die, bros ;-;

>>22833169
>why would ursula k le guin care about that hack
Hags hate each other's guts more than anyone else.

>>22833164
>I was reading ____ ___blog
and why would you do that?

>>22833257
He's probably old enough to remember a time when the "blogosphere" was a significant part of the internet.

>>22832027
>Not really
They just do whatever. They flip at a dime. They have no personality other than "I want what benefits me!"

>And how did this take you half a year?
It was so fucking boring I couldn't keep reading. I'd read very little for weeks.

>It's well known.
But it isn't? Like, if you're Chinese, maybe. Even then, you have to establish what do you mean. You have to establish your fantasy world, despite the fact that it borrows things from the real world.

>>22832035
I'm not saying he doesn't change. There are some really good parts. In the first book, after he becomes a cultivator and roam the state of Zhao, we get a really interesting perspective on how he changed after becoming a cultivator. The Immortal Demon Sect would be another good part about growth. The part where decades pass and he sees other cultivators growing old because they stagnated while he keeps being younger is also interesting. But between the interesting parts his character kind reverts to being one dimensional.

>>22832021
...what does that even mean?

>>22831779
I remember some anon catching up in like a couple months
It took me like six-eight months at a more casual pace

>>22833380
I Shall Seal The Heavens, not sure what ATG is though

>>22833169
Probably because that hack is a household name and the only people who know Le Guin are sci-fan nerds

>>22833169
Le guin is also a hack. She also got pozzed after the first three books of the Earthsea Cycle, while /our/ mommy became still makes trannies seethe daily. The other day I saw a tranny crying about how a harry potter fanart wasn't spoilered or comes with a trigger warning. Wish I was kidding.

>>22833257
>/lit/ users
>shitting on blogs

>>22833420
against the gods

>>22833422
And an anime producer who hate his son.

Been watching True Detective. Rust is like a Dunyain.

>>22833509
I always found Rust to be very similar to Thomas Covenant, both have absolute kino endings too

Fantasy reads that will help cure my crippling anxiety?

>>22833423
>while /our/ mommy
mmm no

>>22833423
rent free

If I want to read Chinese cultivation novels etc, should I learn Mandarin?

I'm thinking of starting an art and culture 'zine, with a focus on the fantasy genre as a whole. Each issue will focus on a particular theme (ie 'forest', 'sun', 'cave' etc) and do retrospectives and some modern reviews of pieces of media across literature, film, vidya, music etc, as well as mayne some pieces of original fiction. Does anybody have any experience writing genuine "journalistic" essays and/or articles on such things? My day job is very far away from anything to do with writing, but I enjoy it as a hobby. Has anybody done anything like this before, or be interested in reading it?

>>22831805
>Vinge's novel A Deepness in the Sky (1999) is a prequel to A Fire Upon the Deep set 20,000 years earlier and featuring Pham Nuwen. Vinge's The Children of the Sky, "a near-term sequel to A Fire Upon the Deep", set ten years later

>>22833223
Glen Cook is really old too. I was reading about how soldiers would read The Black Company during the Vietnam War.

>>22833223
Is that him as an 85yo? Doesn't look that old

DNF'd Consider Phlebas. Extremely annoying to read.

Anyone played this? Looking for a book with its feel.

>>22833635
>Is that him as an 85yo? Doesn't look that old
Read the filename? It says it's from 2010.

>>22833870
Dune.

Reading Pandora's Star.
What's with the tedious descriptions of unrelated fuck off boring stories?
Why am I being ping-ponged between a dozen literal who perspectives that nobody in their right mind would give a fuck about?
All I care about is the fucking spaceship. Not some wagie cuck or a roastie who goes paragliding. Seriously, does it get better?

a couple years ago when i tried to get into 40k people recommended eisenhorn as starting point and there was some good stuff but overall i was very disappointed. lots of cliche character that you know are put there just for cannon fodder, lots of things that are weird just for the sake of surprising you, lots of long and boring fights which feel with little weight to them. the parts i liked most were some of the inter-book chapters, which were selfcontained stories of eisenhorn playing detective in some random planet and had interesting plots

so which writer should i go for instead of abnett

>>22833984
Eisenhorn is Abnett's worst, a terrible start to a writing career.
He is brilliant at times, like his early HH novels, in particular Legion, which is just a hoot, or the Gaunt's Ghost books which are impressively engaging.
I don't think you'll find better than Abnett. But then I haven’t read every 40K book.

Nobody has been able to recommend me any good fantasy set in a subterranean world the last few times I've asked here. Guess I have to write it myself..

>>22834044
Hey, man. Only you know what you like.

>>22832186
>For instance by having a human inquisitor kill a chaos space marine in melee.
That's not a lore problem. He does it once because the Chaos marine is locked in place by a daemonic artifact, then another time where he is 300 years old, a powerful psyker, and has a magic sword.

Anything good with intrigues and court politics? Already read Kushiel's legacy and loved it

>>22834044
My diary desu

>>22834044
"The City of Ember" by Jeanne DuPrau - This novel focuses on an underground city that's the last refuge for humanity. The story follows two children as they discover the mysteries of their dying city.

"Perdido Street Station" by China Miéville - Set in the sprawling subterranean metropolis of New Crobuzon, this book blends fantasy, steampunk, and horror elements, creating a richly detailed world.

"Neverwhere" by Neil Gaiman - While not entirely subterranean, this novel features an extensive and fantastical underworld beneath London, full of odd characters and dark magic.

"Journey to the Center of the Earth" by Jules Verne - A classic adventure novel that takes readers into a fantastical underground world full of prehistoric creatures and strange landscapes.

"Hollow Earth" by John and Carole E. Barrowman - This series explores a hidden world beneath our feet, filled with ancient creatures and dark secrets.

"Gregor the Overlander" by Suzanne Collins - Targeted at a younger audience, this series features a vast underground world with unique societies and dangerous creatures.

"The Dwarves" by Markus Heitz - Focused on the titular race, this series delves into the life and struggles of dwarves in their mountainous, subterranean realms.

"The Underland Chronicles" by Suzanne Collins - Another series by Collins, it features a rich underground world with its own history, politics, and conflicts.

"Subterranean" by James Rollins - A thriller that combines elements of science fiction and adventure, set in a mysterious underground world.

"The Descent" by Jeff Long - This novel explores a vast and ancient subterranean ecosystem, revealing a hidden history of the human race.

>>22834072

>>22834147
This looks interesting. Thanks anon

>>22833169
>I have no great opinion of it. When so many adult critics were carrying on about the ‘incredible originality’ of the first Harry Potter book, I read it to find out what the fuss was about, and remained somewhat puzzled; it seemed a lively kid’s fantasy crossed with a ‘school novel’, good fare for its age group, but stylistically ordinary, imaginatively derivative, and ethically rather mean-spirited
She didn't really, just answered questions on it in Q&A's

>>22834072
Did a fair bit of looking into this a few years ago and this is most of what I've read:

Seconding the Empire Trilogy, great starting place.
Hist Fic: Accursed Kings
Portal Fantasy: Merchant Princes
Fantasy: Swordspoint, Queen's Thief, Hobb's Assassin books, Basically every GGK book
Scifi: Vorkosigan (her fantasy books probably fit too although I wouldn't classify them as primarily about this)

Addition recs: Dagger & Coin and Long Price by Abraham, Traitor Baru
Don't like much but fits: Goblin Emperor

Also if you're prepared to read chinese webnovels they love this shit, for actually good ones there's Joy of Life by Mao Ni (and it's kind of a theme in his other books), Grandmaster Strategist and The Rebirth of the Malicious Empress of Military Lineage (this one's so good initially when the protag is in an awful situation and has to scheme out of it with barely any resources)
Finally if you want to read old novels The Tale of Genji is a great fit

where do i get amazon fictions for free cuh
i ain't paying 10 dollars for a single book series

>>22834167
>ethically rather mean-spirited
What

>>22834274
>>etHicaLly rAthEr meAn-spIritEd
Fuck off, Slytherin scum.
100 points to Gryffindor.

>>22834274
Dudley does get magically traumatised by hagrid as punishment for copying his parents and being a bit annoying.
Either that or she's talking about the classism or the plot being driven almost entirely by bullying.
Can't remember if the elf slave stuff is in the first book but I don't think it is.

I've finally got to read God emperor of dune and it's pretty underwhelming how after 3.5k years have passed the universe still hasn't changed that much, the key players, places, politics and other things are still the same.

>>22834316
>after 3.5k years have passed the universe still hasn't changed that much, the key players, places, politics and other things are still the same.
Welcome to the entire point of the entire series up to this point.

>>22834381
It's unimaginative and dull. You'd think Leto's Peace would achieve something, anything, but it does not.

>>22834072
Dragon Prince series by Melanie Rawn
Wolfblade trilogy and Second Sons trilogy by Jennifer Fallon

>>22830283
I liked The Wasp Factory, but I found Consider Phlebas so terrible that I haven't read another book of his since.
Would I still enjoy Use of Weapons and is it worth reading The Player of Games to get to it or should I just skip that one.

>>22833966
Because Hamilton is a coomer just like any modern scifi writer

>>22830283
I became engrossed within PoG but I didn't care too much personally for UoW. I genuinely don't get the acclaim. Were normals mindfucked by "the twist" and that's why UoW sits encoded within their long-term memories?

>>22828180
I keep a large number of novels I can choose from to read next and sometimes page count is a factor that affects on what I'm in the mood for. But I'll read whatever I'm in the mood for.

>>22834449
I kind of disliked Consider Phiebas, but really enjoyed Player of Games. I haven't read another in the series since regardless.

>>22834072
i asked whether someone had read kushiel's legacy and whether it was good in the last thread and you didn't answer...

>>22831936
bumping this question

>>22834316
>the key players, places, politics and other things are still the same.
true the fremen no longer exists, the empire is ruled by a man-worm symbiote with an all-female army headed by a clone, interplanetary travel is forbidden, everyone's kept at an agrarian level of development, the spice no longer exists, mentats are illegal, and arrakis is now earth like. so much like the earlier books

>>22833624
The first black company book was published in 1984

>>22833354
>But it isn't? Like, if you're Chinese, maybe. Even then, you have to establish what do you mean. You have to establish your fantasy world, despite the fact that it borrows things from the real world.
>dragons breath fire, and hoard gold? You have to establish this, why would a giant lizard want gold? this makes no sense

Can’t decide what to read. Read nothing. Nothing changes. I’m permanently retarded

>>22834779
So read.

>>22834779
do you want a one-off or a series?

>>22834506
personally I really loved the concept of the two plot threads interwoven, one going forward and the other backward in time.

>>22834859
One off

I hate cliffhanger endings so much bros. It is so cheap and makes me feel so cheated.

>>22834948
I think it's okay if it's in keeping with the book so far
it's the big narrative shift ones that always put me off

>>22834939
i recently read house of suns. it's only one book and two short stories. the short stories aren't necessary to read, the first one actually, which was published before the book feels more like a rehearsal for the later book
i'm currently reading the last unicorn but i just started so will report on it later

>>22834948
I can't blame authors for putting a sequel hook in their work. Writer's gotta eat.

new thread WHEN?

>>22835021
Okay thanks I’ll take a look

>>22835021
>unicorn
k-kino https://files.catbox.moe/0pjm8k.mp4

>>22833966
Should've looked what sffg wrote about it because then you'd have known that's what's it's all about.

310

what happened to the board? lost all my thread watches

>>22835602
was just changed from 4channel to 4chan

>>22834472
picked up!

>>22835614
Read his Salvation series, it isn't just coomer, it's also immensely pozzed and up your alley!

>>22835625
only if there are white women getting blacked!

>>22835632
There are, and there are also white men getting blacked (and turned into literal trannies), you will love it!

>>22835611
wtf it's real. 4channel is kill

>>22835657
the advertisers finally freaked

im looking for fantasy recommendations

i loved:
wheel of time
malazan book of the fallen
codex alera
terry pratchet

i hated:
book of the new sun


if possible, nothing by brandon sanderson. i like his ideas but his writing is too simplistic

>>22835823
>waste of time

>The Space Trilogy
>Childhood's End

I read both these recently. Actually, I didn't complete the space trilogy. I found it very boring, most of book one is just "walking simulator, the book", but I was reading it because I heard the 3rd book is really good.

Childhood's End had a really interesting plot until the end of the book, I felt it was almost good but missed the mark.

What do you guys think of these books?

>>22835823
>wheel of time
Runelords
>malazan book of the fallen
The first two Thomas Covenant trilogies
Black Company
Drenai
Realm of the Elderlings
>codex alera
Belgariad and Malloreon
Riftwar Cycle
>pratchet
uuuhh dunno maybe Dave Duncan

>>22835887
Childhoods end is predictive programming.

I'm going to reread the dread empire

>>22834044
The Dwarves and Alfar series by Markus something
Pretty good, quite edgy tho especially the dark elf books
But some of the books are entirely underground

>>22835823
Black company or dread empire

>>22831917
Just like the Thrawn books are the most iconic+well-known Star Wars books but not the best, the most iconic (but not best) 40k books are almost certainly the Eisenhorn trilogy, the first 3 Horus Heresy books, or Gaunt's Ghosts.

Pretty much every 40k author has written at least one stinker, but if you want the highest odds of something being adequate-to-good your best bets are likely: Peter Fehervari, Chris Wraight, Guy Haley, Dan Abnett, Sandy Mitchell, Robert Rath, Simon Spurrier, and if you can stomach some socjus and super-speshul OC donut steels amid otherwise solid writing, Aaron Dembski-Bowden. Fehervari is probably the best of them, the one I'd be least embarrassed to recommend to someone who isn't a fan of Warhammer.
>>22832009
>Complains about feminism, diversity, etc.
>Recommends Dembski-Bowden
ADB was the reigning champion of that shit among 40k authors, only recently dethroned by Mike Brooks. Abnett's lip service to it is very milquetoast early-00s lib by comparison. Have you ever read these books or seen the shit these authors say? The bulk of his "lore violations" are things he introduced when the lore was much more thinly sketched-out, it's almost always wiki-readers who only got into the setting post-2010 who moan about it. The single significant exception being the Perpetual nonsense, which isn't so much a lore violation as just a dumb and annoying pet concept he loves and I dislike.

>>22836449
Forgot, Josh Reynolds was also alright as Warhammer authors go. Fabius Bile series started strong, got wobbly due to some pretty obvious editorial interference, but is decent overall. Dark Harvest was pretty ok too.

>>22831917
read Dead men walking by Steve Lyons. Holds a special place in my heart.

>>22828180
No. I can usually tell if I'm going to hate something within the first page so I go off that instead (maybe reviews if they seem sensible).

>>22836475
That's by far the best w40k novel
Spacemarines and HH niggers need not apply

>>22830207
>only one update for DCC in the past month
>isn't up

What is good fantasy to read in a hot car, while it's 40 degrees celcius outside

"Back-ker"
or
"Bake-er"
???

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