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>"How are we to judge Lovecraft’s two-year venture into matrimony? There is, certainly, enough blame to spread to all parties: to the aunts for being cool to the entire matter and for failing to provide either financial or emotional support to the struggling couple; to Sonia for feeling that she could mould Lovecraft to suit her wishes; and, of course, to Lovecraft himself for being generally thoughtless, spineless, emotionally remote, and financially incompetent."

>"It seems hardly profitable at this juncture to blame Lovecraft for his many failings as a husband—nothing can be accomplished now by such a schoolmasterly attitude—but much in his behaviour is inexcusable. The most inexcusable, of course, is the decision to marry at all, a decision he made with very little awareness of the difficulties involved (beyond any of the financial concerns that emerged unexpectedly at a later date) and without any sense of how unsuited he was to be a husband. Here was a man with an unusually low sex drive, with a deep-seated love of his native region, with severe prejudice against racial minorities, suddenly deciding to marry a woman who, although several years older than he, clearly wished both a physical as well as intellectual union, and deciding also to uproot himself from his place of birth to move into a bustling, cosmopolitan, racially heterogeneous megalopolis without a job and, it appears, entirely content to be supported by his wife until such time as he got one."

>"Once actually married, Lovecraft displayed singularly little consideration for his wife. He found it much more entertaining to spend most of his evenings, and even nights, with the boys, and quickly ceased bothering to get home early so that he could go to sleep together with Sonia. He did make a concerted effort to find work in 1924, however bunglingly he set about it, but virtually gave up the attempt in 1925–26. Once he came to the realisation that married life did not suit him, he seems to have become entirely content—when Sonia was forced to move to the Midwest in 1925—to conduct a marriage at long distance by correspondence."

Do you think a man like H.P. Lovecraft could ever have been happily married?

>> No.22818365

https://incels.wiki/w/H._P._Lovecraft

>> No.22818397
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22818397

when you are above a certain IQ level the ocean starts to appear infinitely more interesting than women. I don't think it could be helped.

>> No.22818560

>Nick Drake died a virgin but Lovecraft didn't

What do we infer from this?

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22818796

>>22818365

>Despite being a wizard at the time of his marriage, his ex-wife later described him as an attentive and accomplished lover, with Lovecraft apparently even going to the trouble of extensively researching sexual techniques and the female anatomy prior to consummating the marriage

He's not really an incel then, is he? Why doesn't Schopenhauer have an article there?

>> No.22818815

>>22818333
I think it takes a special sort of faggot to write in this kind of tone about another man's private life, a man, moreover, who never wished to advertise himself to the world with his private life in the first place.

>> No.22818834

>>22818796
Schoppy does have an article but he's not listed as an incel because he actually had quite a lot of women, his views were just reactionary.

https://incels.wiki/w/Arthur_Schopenhauer

>> No.22818843

>>22818333
Yes. To a man.
He was clearly gay.

>> No.22819701

bump

>> No.22819714

>>22818796
Based autist Lovecraft.

>> No.22819758

>>22818333
This text could have attempted to emulate 1950s language but occasional slips and choice if words date it past 2000. Who wrote it?

>> No.22820032

>>22819758
Joshi.

>> No.22821428

bump

>> No.22822036

>>22818843
Then why did his wife brag about how good he was in bed long after their divorce?

>> No.22822041

>>22818333
My review of Lovecraft's fiction:

Lovecraft's stories tend to center on a "nameless horror" that renders man's life insignificant in an indifferent or malign universe. It has to do with confronting the unknown, one that is typically not desirable or easily definable. As well, many of these confrontations can result in disastrous effects, as in "The Colour out of Space", where a meteorite causes a farming family to malform. The unknown may also lurk in forbidden places, as in the story "The Rats in the Wall". There is a sense of "sublime terror", which may indeed induce insanity, making one uneasy and showing human beings are not the Heraclitan centers of the world. In the various stories, whether the protagonists encounter eldritch beings or explore Cyclopean cities, normalcy is overturned by the uncanny.

Racialism is also an integral part of Lovecraft's stories. According to "The Shadow over Innsmouth," it is the miscegenated savages who are closest to the chaos underpinning reality, and the evolutionary sophisticated Anglo will shudder in horror at the revelation of reality's madness. Thus, the primitive savage dances to the mad tunes of reality while the Anglo discovers it through science. When he apprehends how close the primitive savages are to the unfathomable nature of reality, the Anglo shudders in horror. A number of Lovecraft's short stories deal with escaping the madness of this world through fantastical Dunsanian dream worlds. Examples would include "Celephaïs" and "The Lost Key".

Here's how my friend describes this theme:

“I feel like Lovecraft focuses a lot more on the material of things, the inferior nature of one thing to another, such as the hierarchy of gods, noble mortals, and more along the lines of what is considered savage mortals who, for Lovecraft, are more in touch with the imperceptible secret materiality of the Great Old Ones by their occult practices which he saw as exotic and stupid, yet more true to how he saw the universe.

I think Lovecraft was trying to awaken his utmost terror by the implication that the Great Old Ones are incomprehensible and that the most acutely sensible people like himself would be forced to shrink back in horror."


While I do not personally agree with Lovecraft's vision of life, I am still deeply impressed by it.

Favorite stories so far: “The Shadow over Innsmouth”, “The Music of Eric Zahn”, “The Colour out of Space”