/lit/ - Literature

What are some recs for ensemble cast continent-spanning worldbuilding fantasy like a Song of Ice and Fire?
Besides, the Second Apocalypse. I just finished Darkness and was underwhelmed.

You guys made me continue a general thread for the first time you bums.

>>22808259
Last, current, future go.

>last
Akira vol 1 and berserk vol 3.
Really liked Akira, first time reading it but seen the movie many times. I loved the added scenes and time with the characters.

>current
Currently on page 99 out of 480 with Hyperion, the first 20 pages were slow but the next 80 flew by, really really loved the story telling and the change in pacing.

>future
Either finishing 'the story of philosophy' or finishing 'A Deepness in the sky' by Vernor Vinge.

Anyone collect fancier editions for their favourite books? Like from subterranean press, centipede press, folio society etc. I mostly read on my kindle so I'm trying to shift my physical collection to be nice hardcovers. Which publishers are your favourites and which books do you like the most in your collections?

>>22808246
>Used the name field
Lmao, retard

>>22808368
Listen bud, you man up next time and make the thread so I don't have to even pretend to know how to do it.

>>22808368
You just got fucking owned.

I've only got like 50 chapters of Way of Choices in epub, am I going to have to watch the cdrama

>>22808287
>Last
Hyperion. Great book. 9/10
>Current
Could read Ubik maybe, but I'm tired of PKD books. Maybe Ilium. Probably nothing until I get...
>Future
Fall of Hyperion for Christmas.

>>22808259
The Lord of the Rings.
Dune.

>>22808394
Download calibre activate the plugin FanFicFare and then steal all the publiclly accessible webnovels to your hearts delight.

>>22808397
What PKD books have you ready and why are you tired of them?

The first half of Ubik is very good, the 2nd half is very... PKD... (I like his short stories but not his weird Valis stuff).

It's only like 100 pages, pretty quick read.

On the topic of Hyperion, it's the first sci-fi book to surprise me in awhile with how *strange* or other worldly it is.

Hey retard you didn't put the thread name in the subject field and now my filters won't pin it to the top of the board. Enjoy your thread getting no replies because you can't figure out how to use a 30 year old post submission form.

>>22808451
woops I've read Ubik, total brain-fart moment. I meant I could read VALIS. I've read flow my tears, the policeman said, the man in the high castle, do androids dream of electric sheep? and the three stigmata of palmer eldritch.

Damn OP getting cooked frfr ong

>>22808259
Lyonesse

>>22808259
'The First Law Trilogy', not your typical hero crap. Think a torturer who's the good guy and a bunch of messed up, realistic characters. Gritty, dark, and actually interesting. No elves or chosen one nonsense here.

Why is Reverend Insanity shilled so much when picrel is unironically so much better and more well thought out? I could go to the wiki and still get my mind blown by how many little details I missed. The power system, the world-building, and the characters are all great. Minus the translation of course.

No Chang I won't read your webslop, fuck off bugman.

>>22808636
You don't have to read it ya know? It's not like I have you at gunpoint. Use the filters if it triggers you so much.

>>22808394
>>22808632
>>22808636
>>22808642
Ching cheng hanji
xiang shang xie zhou
Qin xiang lian na san shi er suinazhuang gao dangchao fu ma lang
Ta qi junwang a man huang shang na hui hun nan er zhao dong chuang

Why don't the Chinese webnovel lovers of this thread read the good shit instead? What is it about trashy machine-translated webnovels that draws them?

>>22808687
The Marshes of Mount Liang was mind-numbingly repetitive. Not bad for a classic though.

>>22808687
Since it is the sci fi thread you should recoomend "The Tale of the bamboo Cutter" instead. It's an early sci fi sorta story from 8th century Japan abut people who live on the moon. It is a much more relevant rec than any of the Chinese classics.

>>22808259
That is every Epic Fantasy series ever.
And they all suck.

>>22808717
Shouldn't it be Journey to the West, no?

>>22808723
Lucian's a True Story is the only book older than link related which includes a race of moon people/ "mooninites".


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Bamboo_Cutter

>>22808726
What I was saying is that since you mentioned this is a sci-fi and, admittedly, fantasy thread (although you didn't explicitly say so), Journey to the West should be more relevant. I don't think many things beat a talking monkey that can travel 54 thousand kilometers in one somersault.

>>22808259
>Albert Bierstadt painting
God I love the Americans. I wish we had more fantasy like The Wizard Knight or perhaps the Gor series (to an extent), but that leaned way more heavily into the American life and lore. I've actually been writing a book set in the 1800s about a group of adventurers consisting of a Puritan, a Mormon, an Indian and a rich Dutchman on the frontier fighting cryptids and monsters from Native American folklore, but I don't think I'll ever get it published.

>>22808687
Tell me about its cultivation system

>>22808757
Put some respect to wuxia. Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee were peak.

>>22808632
Because Fang Yuan is way more based than Klein.

>>22808741
I wish I could write in such a way to capture the feel of his paintings.

>>22808822
If there's a guy out there today who wishes he could write in a way that captures the feeling of the Hudson River School, then I'd root for him above anyone else.

>male robot is described as a musclebound synthetic god of handsomeness
>instinctively imagine it as having black features
>later the robot turns out to be black
reynolds bros, we've been subverted

I really wish I liked this book more than I actually ended up feeling towards it in the when I finished it. Incoming incoherent rambling fueled by major blueballs

Karsa is the fucking man, easily my favorite character currently, and in retrospect he really carried the book for me. Absolutely loved when he feeds Bidithal his last meal and I especially liked making the connection that he was the Toblekai from DG before they actually revealed it, granted its obvious once you realize hes going to Seven Cities. Onrack and Trull were a fun duo to follow, and although I felt like their story ended way to early in this book if what I've heard is true about Midnight Tides being Trull's backstory I think it's kind of cool to have the epilogue be him beginning his story and the very next book picking up from that. Kalam and Crokus/Apsalar kind of felt pointless sidequesting, though I suspect this is byproduct of HoC seeming to be a set up book. Speaking of set up, the entire 14th army, whole lot of marching and random distractions (Joyful Union was pretty funny and I loved the Fiddler and Temuls convo outside of camp) for very little payoff. Convenient segue into the main problem I had with the book and what's holding me back from liking it more.

To put it simply, what really soured the end of this book for me was the Felisin and Tavore conclusion. I think it might be the fact that this was my most anticipated plot line going into HoC and having it end without Tavore even fucking knowing really pissed me off. I get that Felisin was who Oppon meant not their father, and how unlucky the timing of Shaik getting shanked further evinces their influence, but idk man I feel like it was such a waste of a good multibook plotline that ends with a wet fart. Maybe I'll feel differently about this storyline down the road whenever Erikson decides to have Lostara or whatever tell Tavore, but even then that annoys me because it delays the actual "conclusion" to their storyline in my eyes and there's still six more long ass books and I know Tavore isn't in them all.

It was a solid book over all but I don't like how this book felt more like something you can't really fully appreciate until a reread like with GotM. I kind of want to take some time off maybe read another book in between HoC and MT since I'm kind of salty after the ending and I don't want to go into MT angry
I might reply to this with other random thoughts about the book later bc character limits are gay
Current rankings
>DG
>MOI
>HOC
>GotM

>>22809006
Reynolds readers confirmed bbc lovers

>>22808687
I assume everyone's read the classics.

>>22809012
>mfw cold iron and hot iron

>>22808664
And a ching chong bing bong to you, too

>>22808246
So Bakker had H.R. Giger in mind when imagining The Consult right?

Just finished He Who Fights with monsters (1). I enjoyed it a lot and think it is peak LitRPG. The progression is done at a reasonable pace, characters are introduced slowly, the "system" does not overly get in the way of the prose, but the powers feel good enough to scratch the RPG itch. Most of all it is not as over the top as Dungeon Crawler Carl.

The world itself is nothing special, but interestingly enough as a setting. The political scene gives a nice background to the plot.

My largest gripe with it is the main character, which sometimes comes off as insufferable, which might be intentional though to make a point. Sometimes it feels like that guy is reddit personified, the hat tipping and myladying caused me to cringe so many times.

Anyway it is really solid and I will continue with the 2nd.

For your amusement I've compiled the most prevalent magic systems in fantasy per decade. I will not elaborate.
>1930s: magic is like it is in fairytales
>1940s: magic is for God, angels, and thinly-veiled Devil analogues
>1950s: magic is for baddies that our musclebound hero gives a good drubbing
>1960s: magic is from ayylmaos
>1970s: magic is like it is in fairy tales (but more cynically)
>1980s: magic is like it is in D&D (because D&D copied us)
>1990s: magic is like it is in D&D (because we copied D&D)
>2000s: DRAGON-RIDING DRAGON-KNIGHTS DOING DRAGON-MAGIC
>2010s: magic can be neatly categorized and everyone has at most two magics, except the protagonist who has all of them
>2020s: magic is a metaphor for colonialism

>>22809213
>Anyway it is really solid and I will continue with the 2nd

>>22809257
i like how bakkers magic fits none of these.
simply king.

>>22809257
>>1950s: magic is for baddies that our musclebound hero gives a good drubbing

>For she once was a true love of mine

What is a well-written non-virgin love interest?

>>22809272
Truth Shines

i'm here to get some occasional good reommendation as well as to rec something myself or share my opinion on somethings, but lately i'm wondering if this is worth it beacuse the price is that i have to skim through hundreds of retarded worthless posts every thread. even though i try to not pay attention but i know names like malazan, bakker, fuan yen, it's like when i was little and i knew so many famous football players that i cared absolutely nothing about

>>22809608
I think I'm done, too. /sffg/ and /wg/ are comfy but the whole website has gone full retard.

>>22809608
filtered

>>22808425
I tried this but I can't download any of the chingchong webtrash

>>22809720
webtoepub chrome extension or lightnovelcrawler

>>22809720
Just search "chingchong webtrash epub" on google

>>22809012
>what really soured the end of this book for me was the F and T conclusion
I thought that one was a 10/10 sledgehammer to the chest and I still to this day occasionally raise my fists towards the heavens and curse this cold and unjust universe (which Erikson has deftly transmogrified onto the page).

>>22808632
Is Klein back as the main character yet?

>>22806949
>something like The Murder of Roger Ackroyd
Detective schlock is a special case. Of course whodunits are heavily reliant on the reader's ignorance. But for most stories it hardly matters. After you've read a few hundred fiction books you can generally predict what's going to happen anyway, the main hook is seeing how the author and characters get there.

>>22809739
>>22809763
This mogs Bakker

>>22809827
Mogs Sandersoi

>>22809931
Not an achievement

>>22809931
I'm gonna kick Sanderson's ass for being the posterboy of Reddit

I actually had to check if that post could get me in trouble. You never know with Redditors or Mormons.

You have ONE recommendation to convince me that this genre isn't unsalvageable trash.
I've read Book Of The New Sun and if that's the best you guys got then I'm never stepping into this general ever again.

>>22810039
There is no such thing as good sci-fi or good fantasy. Anybody with an IQ high enough to both write well and comprehend the implications creative departures from reality would have on the world is a scientist or mathematician, not slopwriter.

>>22809827

>>22809767
No idea, haven't read COI. Waiting for it to finish first.

>>22810039
Read Reverend Insanity.

>>22810080
There are many scientists who are also fiction writers.

Vernor Vinge as a single example.

"great" genre fiction should use the genre as a means to explore higher concepts which is what Vernor Vinge did. He had ideas about what a technological singularity would imply and he explored them in fiction as well as through technical essays.

Take any other "good" genre fiction and you can find other higher level ideas being explored through the medium of fiction.

("good" Being a subjective description)

>>22810039
Are you afraid of DNFing a book? Why so unwilling to try more than once or twice at something? It's not a personal failure try something and not like it.

>>22810039
What do you usually read? Give us something to go off of.

>>22808614
>be realistic

>>22809213
the more you will progress whit the book the more you will despise the author. made to book 3 I think, thought about hitting the author in the gut for that

>>22809764
I actually liked Felisins thoughts in that moment quite a bit 'I just wanted to know, Tavore, why you did it. And why you did not love me, when I loved you. Oh mother, look at us now.' it's just the whole lack of acknowledgement that sours the moment for me mainly. Idk maybe I'll feel differently in retrospect after finishing the series.

what are the best /sff/ books with lgbtqia+ characters

>>22810585
Pozzed.

>>22809027
>angry milfs AND bbc
can reynolds be anymore based?

>>22810585
Mine. When it's done.

>>22810739
based. i hope you'll share it with us when you're done with it

>>22810739
better be lesbians

>>22810712
What are you talking about. Reynolds is a commie trash.

>>22810039
Dunsany, Tolkien, MacDonald.

>>22810039
leave. if you are this adamant about not liking it then why are you even forcing yourself or other people to make you like it. its just not for you.

>>22810039
Most people are too dumb for BotNS so you shouldn't feel bad.

>>22809012
stick with it Malazanon, it ages better in retrospect like you said

>>22810039
Hyperion
Stories of your life and others

>>22808259
>>22808397
>>22808417
>>22808614
>>22808632
>>22809012
>>22809213
>>22809272
>>22810039
>>22810585
>>22810862
>>22810987
>>22811310
Great post anons, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chinks??!! When does ASOIAF gets good??!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good??? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker?? Any books with incest?

>>22810779
Two of female main characters develop a quasi-romantic intimacy over the course of the story, especially during their adventure arc, but an explicit romance is outside the scope of the arc intended for the first book.
The character I'm having the most fun writing who is an unambiguous homo is a middle-aged semi-retired swashbuckler who dabbles in the occult and prances around with femboy warrior-poets. He's very camp, I partially based him off of Shore Leave from the Venture Bros.

>>22811460
>femboy
>warrior-poets
Oxymoron.

>>22811488
And yet they exist in my setting.

>>22811460
Started based then went hard gay

>>22811460
>femboy
Please die for me.

>>22811506
>hard gay
Correct, it is a gay character.

>>22810585
Actually can't think of any, anon. Perhaps something from Le Guin? Butler? I am a homosexual myself, but it think i'd cringe too hard if I found any gay romance in a sci-fi novel. Any romance at all, for that matter. Actually now I remember that the doctor from Pushing Ice by Reynolds was gay, but it had zero baring on the plot iirc. I also got dank lesbo vibes from the vampire in echopraxia. Actually, yes. Weren't the two guys at the industrial squat with the robot battle sculptures in Mona Lisa Overdrive together? Or maybe I was just reading between the lines there. I can't remember now. Of course there's Burroughs. Not strictly what i'd consider sci-fi though. Which is what others call 'hard' sci-fi. Isn't Severian meant to be bisexual? idfk. you're really stumped me here, anon!

Page 267 out of 480 for Hyperion.

Maybe I'll finish another 100 pages tonight.

But holy shit I just realized that the baby the guy is carrying with him is his daughter that has aged backwards almost completely now, am I stupid for not realizing sooner? Like, it just clicked the second time he gets the visions in his sleep asking him to come sacrifice her.

Damn, that's tough.

Really liking how strange things are, and not in a PKD way either. It's like... He's doing it properly and not fucking up the story while he's at it (fuck you PKD).

Barriston will be betrayel for blood. He will temporarily leave and join up with Aegon

Euron will be the betrayel for gold because Euron does In fact mean gold. He will probably sell Daenerys out maybe wed her to whatever God he worships

Sansa or Aegon will be the betrayel for love. Aegon and Sansa will meet and fall in love but it will also be shortlived this causes Daenerys to snap thinking House Targeryen is truly over. Sansa is also the younger and more beautiful queen in Cersei's prophecy. It will be her and Argon involved with a triumvirate with Bran who will usher in the eternal dream of spring

>"Junior you dare?"
>"Yes I dare"
>The rest of the chapter is a psychological breakdown of their battle of wits and the historic circumstances that led to the current state of affairs of the empire
Way of Choices is... weird

>>22811529
That show was an example of how not to do gay. Whenever they had a character that they didn't know what to do with they just made them gay and that became their whole personality.

>>22811684
How not to do gay: have it at all

>>22811692
Good point

>>22811684
Shore Leave was gay from the start. His intro was literally a joke about closeted ex-gay born-again Christians.

Alright anon, help me escape reddit.
Lately I've been wanting to read about AI pov characters, or at least AI companions that have a significant positive role in the story.

Chrysalis by BeaverFur, and the various shorts by Upgrayeddddd (starting with STEVE878) are along the lines of what I'm looking for.
I've heard the Culture series might fit, but wanted to see a few more suggestions.

>>22811766
"A Closed and Common Orbit" by Becky Chambers

"The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet" by Becky Chambers

"All Systems Red" by Martha Wells

"Imperial Radch" series by Ann Leckie

"The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A. Heinlein

"Sea of Rust" by C. Robert Cargill

>>22810585
>what are the best /sff/ books with lgbtqia+ characters
I don't hate the asexual protagonist in Super Supportive.

>>22812042
>body type 2 and or/black writer
I do not read that book.

Genuinely what Wells is worth reading?

The Amber Novels sure go to shit don't they? It was getting worse in the Corwin stories, but goddamn is Merlin an insufferable bastard.

>>22810039
Bloom liked Gormenghast

>>22812154
Amber is terrible right from book 1.

>>22810291
whats a good Vinge?
Fire Upon the Deep was annoying with the "wot if thinking was slow so this character is actually a pack of dogs"

>>22812042
>"All Systems Red" by Martha Wells
surprisingly good. I can imagine how a different author would've made murderbot quip constantly and do pop culture references.

Worth?

>>22808259
Sword of Shadows J. V. Jones
>>22810039

>It's an author puts in a talking companion/pet/spirit sidekick into their work because they cannot be fucked to properly world build episode.

>>22812538
>no digital version
Never mind. Weird though, it only came out 2001

>>22812570
>It's a meat jelly and gay rapist parrot hijinks chapter

>>22812597
Cnaiur and the Skin-spies adventures?

>>22810039
>You have ONE recommendation to convince me that this genre isn't unsalvageable trash
I think I'd prefer it if you just left.

>>22808259
Malazan
It's a very well written series based on the author's ttrpg worldbuilding. It's obvious the original PCs are levelmaxed/demigods at the start of the series. This isn't to be memey, it's actually a well developed setting already.
Consider this: 10 volumes (complete series) published in 12 years.
It's both serious, mature, adult in its sensibilities and self aware enough to hit that juvenile itch for high fantasy shenanigans.

Its flaw is that it has a steep learning curve, as in the opposite of boring, or I should say trust the author. If you feel there are too many names and terms, everything is interconnected well enough to always refresh your memory as to what's what.

Yes, I'll rumble more! A good intuitive example for how good the series is: soon after starting the second book, which introduced almost all new and many characters and locations, I didn't read for close to a month. When I picked it up again, I glanced at the last few pages and all came back to me, the mood of the scenes, the dynamics between the characters, their expectations and quirks, even if I couldn't name every one of them, I ws back on with the story.

So begins The Unholy Consult. It's been a wild ride, Bakkerboys..

>>22809012
Didnt read most of the post not to get spoiled (currently on DG) but absolutely take breaks and read something else between volumes. I squeezed Terry Pratchett's "Sourcery" between volumes and Vandermeer's "Finch" between book 1 and 2 of DG. Not flexing, it helps not to get pathologically immersed.

>>22809272
>magic is for god, angels and thinly-veiled devil analogues
In bakker, magic is either god's will or blasphemy against it

>>22812743
kek

Suck on it, BITCH

>>22812088
huh...ya, I just realized your right. He's friends with the canonically hottest person alive and showed zero interest.

>>22812838
Brittany!

>>22812838
>investing all that time and money on YA schlock
Why

NO-GOD WHEN

>What was the last book you finished?
>What book are you currently reading?
>What book do you plan to read next?
For me?
>the great ordeal
>the plague by camus
>plato's symposium

>manuscripts don't burn
????

>>22812838
>it's another I'm leaving youtube episode
>it's another Why I left youtube episode
>it's another Hi! I'm back on youtube! episode
The endless cycle of Brittany.

>>22812433
I guess it depends on your taste, but "True Names" is a short (100 pgs) one that is good, it involves hackers, VR AI , etc, "Rainbows End" is more near future earth stuff (no collective intelligence dog packs), it involves VR, hackers, nation state actors, social media, biological mind control. "Marooned in the real time" is supposed to be more mystery noir about a group of people trying to figure out what destroyed the world.

If you didn't like 'a fire upon the deep' because of the dogs, you will not like 'children of the sky' because it's less of the space stuff and entirely set on that planet with the dogs.

You *may* like 'a deepness in the sky' which is the prologue to the first novel 'a fire upon the deep' but it has no dogs and happens entirely in 'the slow zone' aka its all humans basically, more sci-fi, lots of plotting and betrayels, it can get pretty dark too.

>>22812858
He also outright states later that he has never felt sexual attraction to anyone. He is a deeply traumatized kid so who knows what will happen later but I would certainly rather have more cute moments with Kibby than romantic drama (which is my default expectation of western authors) or, worse, the author revealing she was a fujoshi all along.

>>22812927
>reads bakker and then goes right into camus and plato
are you reading following a chart or something?

>>22808287
>Last
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Good to read just as a stroll down memory lane

>Current
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Same reason as the one above, a pretty fun read.

>Future
Either HP and the Goblet of Fire or The Anvil of Ice. Maybe I should just finish all of Harry Potter in one go, though

>>22813899
I did that earlier this year after I beat Hogwarts Legacy and it was a blast. 3-6 is such nostalgiakino.

Are the xeelee books worth reading? Everyone seems to think it’s either one of the greatest science fiction series of all time or powerscaler bait lodged several miles up it’s own ass.

>>22813983
The Xeelee itself as a species is one of the strongest/most advanced in all of sff, arguably second only to another race of creature from another book series by the same author. That said, there is a wide range of variance between the ~30 titles within the overall universe, so it really depends on what you want to read about.
I would begin with Vacuum Diagrams--a collection of short stories--and if you liked it then start with Timelike Infinity -> Ring; then go from there.
>t. only person here who has read the majority of the titles

>>22814001
Ok, I’ve received mixed messages on wether to start with Raft or Vacuum Diagrams, so thanks for clearing that up

>>22814017
Raft takes place in an alternate universe that has something like 100x the gravity our universe has, and the fledgling band of humans who are trying to survive there. If that sounds like something you're interested in overall then go for it but it wasn't my thing personally and one of the few I skipped out on.

Are Sci-Fi and Fantasy fans just different on a genetic level?

>>22812661
Are there cut-off points within those 10 volumes, where you could reasonably have a complete story arc and pick up the rest later or is it 10 volumes of a continuous story?
I'm in the mood to read some fantasy, but I don't want to feel dedicated to more than 3 books to get a story out of it.

>>22812838
>tries anything that's not modern YA drivel
>starts bending backwards not to say "I just don't like it"
Every single time. It's almost comical.

>>22814017
first few books are unrelated or loosely related to overall story

>>22814156
Raft and Flux, yes.
Timelike Infinity and Ring are very much related to the overall story/lore.

>>22814087
we may be. what are the implications of this?

>>22812838
she looks like a real life blender pornmodel

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

>>22813983
Despite the massive plot armor for the MC in the first book where it really lost me by jumping the shark was when the retarded uneducated political activists used stone henge as a cover for their miracle black hole gun time ship to fly back in time before having mental breakdowns leading to the time native humans giving them a whole 'you gotta do this ting JUST BECAUSE OK!?!' then stone henges remains are left to 'majestically' orbit the gas giant as some overblown epitaph to their retarded series of choices.

>>22814443
>Azarinth Healer = Starts good but fizzles hard midway. Author also makes the main character a low key lesbian because they clearly have no idea hat to do with their love life.
>Primal Hunter = MC+background is so impossibly nonsensical that he's not even cannon in his own setting.
>He Who Fights with Monsters = every character that isnt the MC is just there to be amazed at how smart Jason is while he tells them shit they already know before reminding them (incorrectly i might add) that 'Oh you have no idea".
>Dungeon Crawler Carl = The MC's sidekick (A cat named 'Princess Donut') is so much smarter than Carl (the MC) that every scene the two are in is eye-gougingly painful. This would not be so much of a problem if such scenes did not constitute the majority of the series.
>System Universe = After the initial premise is established it turns into how to pander to followers at a snails pace AKA; 'Filler McFiller Face - The Excessively Extended Sleep Inducing Saga'.
>Dissonance = MC gets god fucked more then once as he goes about becoming a man/bear/goat/pig/axolotl hybrid who also has many super sekret identities.
>Defiance of the Fall = Brain dead MC with very-much-just-barely opposed kingdom building with a wafer thin cultivation system
>Iron Prince = edgy school setting with even edgier MC who has lightning powers and no discernible challenges what so ever.

>>22812661
>download epub off vk
>15000 pages
oh boy

>>22814655
I've never thought about it, but how do the word counts of series like malazan compare to chinese webnovels like ISSTH to be very honest?

>>22812597
I could tolerate the meat jelly and his antics but that stupid fucking parrot lusting after everything.
Hated that stupid bird

>>22814664
Malazan proper is like 3.5m, all the books combined are like 6m.

>>22814478
>>22814443
Pasta countered by counter pasta, locked in an evolutionary struggle for board supermacy.
Who will go extinct first or perhaps each will be able to find a niche.

>>22814708
outlander is female id kino and no one in /sffg/ can tell me otherwise

>>22814724
I am here to tell you otherwise.

Can I get a recc for getting me back into reading? I’ve lost my way

>>22814767
Reverend Insanity.

>>22814724
That's the one where a married woman is sent back in time so she can cheat on her husband with a Scotsman?

>>22814708
Can I just get like a simple trilogy or even one really long fantasy book that tells a complete story?

>>22814767
Reading The Expanse after I finished the show brought me back to my old reading form like when I was in HS

>>22814775
it's fascinating how a woman with an actual science-related PHD wants nothing more than to write a doctor who fanfic about travelling back in time and cheating with a handsome man and constantly being at the risk of rape

>>22814786
That's literally a list of the longest series with easily researched word counts, but even then a good number of them are comprised of standalone books or trilogies.

>>22808246
>Xe set the subject as xer name
>xe used Hyperion as the OP image
2/10

>>22814708
>Legend of Drizzt have not even 4 m words
men, I would have bet that the series had over 10 m words by now, it took about 2 years to catch with it before Lolth's Warrior came in

Anyone read anything from Arkady and Boris Strugatsky (aka the Strugatsky brothers)? Thinking of starting with something other than Roadside Picnic because I have seem Stalker.

>>22814938
The movie and book are entirely different.

Has anybody got a list of dungeon core novels? Any worthwhile stuff on amazon?
I liked Dungeon without a system.

does anyone have a representation of the milky way that shows the monoceros ring

>work at bookstore
>employee discount
>entire Hyperion and Endymion series for $9 usd

>>22815101
>I liked Dungeon without a system.
I just couldn't be invested in reading about evolving crab people killing humans. This genre really only works for me when the enemies are the bad guys, I think, like Blue Core which is pretty decent if you can get over (or even enjoy) the few consentacle sex scenes in it. Unfortunately, that kind of dungeon core story gets a bit too silly in my experience. Like, I tried one where the MC saves a bunch of slaves and one of them, a little girl, gets a stealth class from playing hide and seek, outlevels seasoned adventurers in a couple of days and you get what I mean, it just gets too stupid because it's "wholesome" shit.

>>22815211
>paying for the Endymion series

>>22815217
>adventurers
>not the bad guys
I don't care what organization is backing them, they're all bandits and highwaymen under a different name

>>22815230
Well, whatever let's you cope at night.

>>22814844
Repeat it in english, not chink

>>22815235
It's reality of their profession under realistic conditions, I don't need to cope. They were fueled by the sickness of the heart, a lust for riches and power.

>>22815250
That was French.

>>22815257
>under realistic conditions
So not at all what happens in these stories.

>>22815270
The most endearing, cherry-picked, author-is-trying-to-make-you-endeared-to-him adventurer suffers from the same sickness, and will turn against his fellow man if he ever failed to satisfy his goldlust.

>>22815286
>cherry-picked
Even the MC feels sort of bad for killing some of the adventurers who enter him to test how dangerous it is in The Dungeon without a System. Even if most of the adventurers were utterly unsympathetic I would still not care for the concept of mutated animals killing humans, anyway. Animals just don't matter to me compared to people.

>>22815302
I wouldn't class majorty of humans, regardless of race, in the people class. Kind of a weird thing to pearl-clutch about.

>>22815302
It's the most consensual case of death imaginable.
The adventurers are willing participates who are actively aware of the potential dangers but are still willing to risk it for the biscuit.
It's like being shocked when a hunter dies on a safari, they knew what they were getting into.

>>22814810
The Expanse is shit though

Any good fantasy or scifi that only follows one character. Bit burned out of pov swapping between 30 characters.

>>22815395
I'm the opposite. Rec some good fantasy swapping between 30 characters over different continents.

>>22813653
>are you reading following a chart or something?
No. Just read whatever I feel like, really.
>>22815395
The Mask of the Sorcerer

>>22815401
The Second Apocalypse.

>>22815302
I diagnose your problem as having too much empathy. The intended audience is those with zero or minimal empathy. Typically that's people with autism, though there are other sorts as well.

>>22815395
Most first person books are single perspective.

>>22815395
read xianxia, you may go 100,000 words without seeing more than the MC

I need help finding an image of Dune that I saw on /lit/ once.
>I need help finding a Dune image, it looked like this when it comes to rendering but it was fremen (or a person in a full bodysuit, black colored) in the desert. Many other figures on a small dune on the background. The image was kind of saturated in color.
The focus was the mask and the suit looking like a second skin.

The fremen stillsuits looked almost fetish in build, but it wasn't porn.

>>22815416
>The Mask of the Sorcerer
Looks interesting I’ll check it out thanks

>>22815479
These progression web novel type books weird me out a bit. Seems too much like manga where there’s 5million volumes where 90 percent of it is shit. That’s my impression anyways could be wrong

>>22815418
Besides that and aSoIaF

This was good.

>>22808614
>Think a torturer who's the good guy and a bunch of messed up, realistic characters
sounds great if i was 12 years old

>>22808632
chinese cant write for shit

>>22815639
chinese literacy is higher than canada's

>>22815654
The definition of "literate" highly varies.

>>22815654
Oh yeah I'm sure this highly democratic state known for its transparency and lack of obfuscation is releasing legitimate numbers in matters that could alter the country's perception internally and externally.

>>22813308
I'll take a look thanks.
the non-medival parts of Deep were pretty interesting... Im just completely over medival settings and the constant exposition on how the damn dogs worked wasn't helping. He seemed to be pretty proud of his idea and wanted everyone to know how clever he thinks it is.

>>22808474
His mind was heavily toasted by psychedelics by then, I think. Even by Flow My Tears, he was mining into inanity. Stupid hippie crap ruined such a great writer.

>>22815797
Nah he only ever fucked with amphetamines. Copious amounts but no psychedelics.
https://philipdick.com/mirror/websites/pkdweb/A%20SCANNER%20DARKLY.HTM

R. Scott Bakker. The King of fantasy.

>>22815250
tranny

No-God when

>>22814810
sometimes i enjoy reading so much and i love it but sometimes i find i can't barely hold down what i just read and only remember the generalities even as i read and i become depressed

how to improve memory retention, anons?

>>22815887
Journal.

What was /sffg/ like before Bakker faggotry?

>>22808287
>Last
Stone of Farewell

>Current
flip flopping between To Green Angel Tower and The Buried Giant

>Future
very interested in Black Leopard Red Wolf and The Vorrh

>>22815898
Same casuals who don't breach out of their comfort zone but without the absurd nonstop spam.

>>22815864
nah maybe grimdark fantasy but definitely not fantasy as a whole

>>22812154
>>22812294
Is it really bad? My brother loves Amber and keeps telling me to read it. Then again, he likes Herbert Jr.'s Dune sequels over the original...

>>22814115
Haven't read through myself but I've heard the author in an interview say it was important to him for each volume to have a satisfying conclusion, and the series has three main plotlines that start independently and then merge, so there are breakoffs certainly.

>>22814775
The scotsman is also a virgin, like 10 years younger than her and she has to teach him how to have sex

Reminder that if you haven't read both Encyclopaedic Glossaries cover-to-cover, you are not a true Bakkerfag.

>>22816148
I've never read Bakker past "One cannot raise walls against what has been forgotten."

>>22816157
It's good that you admit how hard you were filtered. Not all readers can appreciate or comprehend what Bakker is trying to do.

>>22816108
>The scotsman is also a virgin, like 10 years younger than her and she has to teach him how to have sex
How sweet.

>>22816174
he cute

>>22812661
>reject FATness.jpg
>while recommending the work of a fat fetishist
It became painfully obvious within the first few chapters of the first book. I tried to keep going and give it a chance, but no, he just kept escalating. Dropped that shit fast.

>>22814717
Challenge accepted.

RA Lafferty's short stories are massively overrated, honestly. I feel like reading some weird-fantasy. Any recommendations for decent short stories within that genre?

I'm nearly at the last section of Darkness That Comes Before and from the way anons were talking about it on here I thought there was going to be pages and pages of weird man rape but it's literally a couple offhand sentences and maybe one sex scene (with esme) that was gratuitous (but it seems to have a reason for being there).
Some of you anons focus on the weirdest things then act like the whole books is like that
there's every chance that this shit happens in the last section and I'm speaking too soon

>>22816225
The gay shit in TSA is really over-exaggerated here. As you said, there's only a small amount. There are a lot of PENDULOUS PHALLUS type descriptions in the second series, but it's warranted given he's describing sranc which are savage born-to-fuck rape monsters

>>22816259
>There are a lot of PENDULOUS PHALLUS type descriptions in the second series
lmao.
the one instance of 'cunny' he used did seem out of place, but yeah it is completely overblown. I nearly avoided the series because of it but now I am at least going to finish the first trilogy

What's so romantic about killing women in hotels?

The story 'The Wine Dark Sea' by Rob Aickman was pretty good. I like weird stories that are unsettling, not necessarily full blown horrific. Any other modern weird fiction concerned in some way with real life mythology that /sffg/ recommends?

>>22816291
Source of pic?

Does anybody have any experience in running a fantasy centric bookclub? I want to start one, but have never belonged to a bookclub before and am wanting advice. Ideally, I'd get it going IRL. I was thinking of putting up a few ads in some tabletop gaming shops around my city, maybe also a few second-hand book shops with decent spec-lit sections.

>>22808246
>/sffg/- Science Fiction & Fantasy General
Bruh

>>22816383
?

>>22811554
>(fuck you PKD)
No fuck you, nigger.

>>22816007
It's good YA, largely because it's unapologetic in it's retardation.

>>22816225
Anon it gets worse.

>>22816404
in the first book?

>>22816415
No, further along the series. The first book is the best one in the entire Second Apocalypse, as it is typical for such series.

Overall I actually quite liked it, but it does feel like Bakker really leans onto rape. It's just that there are so much ways to express dominance/violence between characters, but down along the line and especially starting with the Aspect Emperor it's becomes rape every single time.

>>22816434
Agreed. Kellhus raping Proyas in the second series seemed so unnecessary. His dignity was already stripped when he turned into a blubbering mess - there was no need for buttsecks.

>>22816365
Black Souls
>>22816382
Enjoy dealing with people who only care about ASOIAF or litRPG!

Bakker not writing rape scenes is like a bird who cannot fly. It is part of who he is.

You fags are so sensitive, it's just a spot of rape is all

So 0%-100%, how likely is it that the No-God is actually coming out this decade?

Are there any first contact stories that contain a human male x xeno romance?

Rape is justified because women.

>>22816191

>>22816477
>justified
What a pointless concept. Just 'rape women', the spook of justice adds nothing.

>>22814786
Haven't read it but I keep hearing the best about Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana (standalone, 673p)

~femicide fantasies~~~~

Is there anyone in the world who personifies cringe more than Patrick "I can't finish a trilogy I wrote 30 years ago" Rothfuss? Take a look at his biography on his Goodreads account:
>It all began when Pat Rothfuss was born to a marvelous set of parents. Throughout his formative years they encouraged him to do his best, gave him good advice, and were no doubt appropriately dismayed when he failed to live up to his full potential.
>In high-school Pat was something of a class clown. His hobbies included reading a novel or two a day and giving relationship advice to all his friends despite the fact that he had never so much as kissed a girl. He also role-played and wrote terrible stories about elves. He was pretty much a geek.
>Most of Pat's adult life has been spent in the University Wisconsin Stevens Point. In 1991 he started college in order to pursue a career in chemical engineering, then he considered clinical psychology. In 1993 he quit pretending he knew what he wanted to do with his life, changed his major to "undecided," and proceeded to study whatever amused him. He also began writing a book....
>For the next seven years Pat studied anthropology, philosophy, eastern religions, history, alchemy, parapsychology, literature, and writing. He studied six different martial arts, practiced improv comedy, learned how to pick locks, and became a skilled lover of women. He also began writing a satirical advice column which he continues to this day: The College Survivial Guide. Through all of this he continued to work on his novel.
>In 2000 Pat went to grad school for English literature. Grad school sucked and Pat hated it. However, Pat learned that he loved to teach. He left in 2002 with his masters degree, shaking the dust from his feet and vowing never to return. During this period of time his novel was rejected by roughly every agent in the known universe.
>Now Pat teaches half-time at his old school as an assistant-sub-lecturer. He is underpaid but generally left alone to do as he sees fit with his classes. He is advisor for the college feminists, the fencing club, and, oddly enough, a sorority. He still roll-plays occasionally, but now he does it in an extremely sophisticated, debonair way.
>Through a series of lucky breaks, he has wound up with the best agent and editor imaginable, and the first book of his trilogy has been published under the title "The Name of the Wind."
>Though it has only been out since April 2007, it has already been sold in 26 foreign countries and won several awards.
>Pat has been described as "a rough, earthy iconoclast with a pipeline to the divine in everyone's subconscious." But honestly, that person was pretty drunk at the time, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt.

>>22816477
Fundamentally woman's choice is either rape or death since all sex is rape and women cannot deny sex. So yeah.

>>22816612
>He is advisor for the college feminists
Well that explains the feminist white knight for social justice Kvothe, that's for sure. And also the feminist wet dream of the woman warriors who are apparently better fighters than men, have promiscuous sex so much that it's as common to them as eating, and somehow they do not know that children are a consequence of sex even though they do know that sex can spread diseases.

>>22815592
Almost everything Bear wrote pre-2000 was very good. Unfortunately he kind of fell off hard creatively after that.

>>22816612
the fact is brandon sanderson is a better writer than grrm and rothfuss simply because he can finish a series.

>started reading malazan last night after anon's rec earlier in thread
>middle of chap 4, some 200 pages in
my only thoughts are:
1. grateful that there's a character list at the start of the book, because i found myself flipping back there half a dozen times due to character vomit
2. tattersail is a fucking WHORE

>>22815797
>>22815830
He definitely couldn't have written A Scanner Darkly without that experience, I read the book before I knew about his drug history and I instantly recognized that he's talking from experience.
On some pages I thought I read my fucking diary.

>>22812690
>>22812700
>>22812922
>>22814440
>>22814443
>>22814810
>>22815864
>>22815881
>>22816148
>>22816163
>>22816225
>>22816259
>>22816281
>>22816434
>>22816439
>>22816445
>>22816451
>>22816612
see >>22811409

Can someone explain web novels to me. Are they all “progression” and “cultivation” just meaning the character gets stronger? Or is that just some of them. And is it all slop or what. Seems like if something was good it would get published. Isn’t that half the purpose of publishers is separate the wheat from the chaff

>>22817372
I second this question.

The only thing ever similar to a 'web novel' I've read was "the noob comic" (http://thenoobcomic.com/)) which I enjoyed very much.

>>22816831
Sanderson doesn't have a proven record of finishing series, especially when considering he's said that his series still have decades to go until they're finished.

>>22817372
>>22817387
From what I've gathered, they're the text version of a web comic. A serialized work released chapter by chapter without an outline for a definitive end.

>>22817421
Elantirs, Warbreaker, the short books??????

>>22817442
Not him but Elantris is supposed to be a trilogy and Warbreaker is supposed to receive one sequel. We've been waiting for these since the late 2000s but Brandon keeps making excuses to not write them.

>>22817421
meh, he has finished trilogies but he continues to expand his universes with more books. Unlike the other guys I genuinely believe he could finish most of the projects on >>22817451 which is fucking insane if real btw

>>22817451
Sanderson's plans have changed a lot since that image was created.

>>22817468
>he has finished trilogies but he continues to expand his universes with more book
Writing non-Cosmere "as a break" is a big reason why he'll never complete the Cosmere.
>>22817470
Yeah. Why finish your big meta magnum opus universe when you become a multimillionaire and you can write whatever you want to your low-standard fans?

>>22817468
He may also have more technically unfinished series than any contemporary sff author as well though.

>>22817479
>>22817478
Just to be clear I think his books are far from amazing, but I appreciate the fact that he actually writes and consistently publishes. I'm not a fanboy so maybe I don't feel the pain of dealing with so many "refresher" books.

>>22817478[
>pic
Fantasy readers not being complete fucking faggots challenge (impossible)

Any lonely, single femanon in this thread right now?

>>22817488
What did he say to upset you?

Sanderson, 47, now thinks about his mortality a lot and has realized he'll never be able to finish all he planned to do when he had his first book published at 28. He's increasingly talked about not doing planned stuff, condensing series, and having other authors write his ideas for him.

>>22817495
Meh. I was reading one of his end-of-year newsletters, maybe two years back, and he mentioned how he's getting older and wants to finish the Cosmere then IMMEDIATELY began discussing non-Cosmere works coming up that he was writing. Fuck it.

I ship Jasnah and Kaladin. Never going to read a word of what sandershit writes for squandering my fanon pairing.

>>22817504
>your face when Sando acquised to a teeny tiny maybe possibly small chance of KaladinXSyl

>>22817492
Point 1. I became a lot humbler after trying to write a fantasy story and failing miserably.

>>22817506
dogshit pairing

>>22817506
if that happened she'd become full size and indistinguishable from a human which would negate your fetish

>>22817495
Good. The one thing Sanderson really has going for him is his output. He can crank out like 2-3 novels per year if he wants to. If a guy like this cannot even finish his planned series then what hope does anyone else have?

>>22817508
Sounds like you took the statement too personally. Put it this way: As someone who has read 98% of Sanderson's Cosmere works, I cannot say that if I want to read a book which presents thoughtful philosophical ideas, or if I choose to read a story to increase my vocabulary and introduce me to new terminology, I would read a Sanderson book. The primary appeal was the meta-universe, before this became such a big concurrent thing of course; the variability of activities and powers throughout the different planets; the overall mystery behind Adonalsium and the Shattering. I think I'm rambling at this point.
>>22817520
>MY fetish
I have no dog in this. I merely pass along the information.

>>22817451
>but Elantris is supposed to be a trilogy
He decided this after the fact. Same with Warbreaker's sequel. Both books were written as stand alone novels originally. Same with Mistborn originally just being a trilogy before he started adding onto it.

who would be /sff/ be talking if we were in the 18th or 19th centuries?

>>22817528
I've read that Mistborn was originally presented as a trilogy of trilogies, so I cannot believe the rest of your post. Have a good day.
Speaking of Elantris. God, he was so fucking obtuse about why Sel was fucked up in the Cognitive Realm for so many years.

>Meta-universe

>>22817534
>Frankenstein? I can't believe you're still reading that suffragette hogscottle anon!

>>22815898
Just filter the bakker posts and the litrpg / cultivation crap and you will have what these threads used to be. So mostly people sucking off Gene Wolfe and a few other boomer authors, people shitposting about GRRM, and the usual big contemporary names coming up occasionally (Jordan, Erickson, Sanderson, etc), wannabe authors coming here to bounce world building ideas off the thread, bitching about the Hugos, etc.

George R. R. Martin
21: First Published
28: First Novel Published
47: A Game of Thrones Published
62: A Dance With Dragons Published
75: Current Age

>>22817537
As I said, this was before it became a huge phenomenon, even MCU popularized it around the globe.
To be more specific, the entirety of the Cosmere takes place within a dwarf galaxy, within different star systems. Mistborn takes place on Scadrial; Stormlight on Roshar; Elantris on Sel; etc. There was Adonalsium--an entity comparable to 'God'--and a weapon to surpass Metal Gear which caused The Shattering, splintering Adonalsium into 16 fragments. These fragments are/were held by people and the nature of a Shard can influence the individual holding it. Shit happens and here we are without tangenting.

>>22817579
You have no idea how hard it is to read your post without allowing the eyes to roll wildly, I had to try three times before I could finish it.

>>22817579
i had no trouble reading your post

Anyone?
>>22815528

after reading picrel I noticed that I like more to read about stories with multiple characters (with no clear mc) with interconnected stories (better if they often exchange skirmishes) rather than read a story with a mc
books with similar structure to that?

>>22818010
look for anthologies

>>22816692
Do I start Eon, Darwin's Radio, or The Forge of God next?

>>22817535
Nope Mistborn was in fact intended to just be the first book, but his publishers demanded it be expanded into a trilogy or no deal.

>>22809213
Ok, just finished the second.

Ugh, I can see where this is going and I do not like it. It was mostly more of the same, which was good, but two major problems. First of all, there was almost zero skill progression for Jason. Second, The Mary Sue protege is so fucking boring and stereotypical and I care absolute zero for her. Plot is just a bunch back and forth, some characters just seem to start acting retarded to push the plot. This is the worst turn off for me. I am out.

>>22818076
no lol
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/153-hal-con-2012/#e2827
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/239-alloy-of-law-release-party/#e10014
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36-arcanum-unbounded-chicago-signing/#e1476
and as i said, elantris was always going to be a trilogy and warbreaker with a sequel
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/336-another-long-and-rambling-post-on-future-books/#e10132

>>22816481
This doesn't surprise me in the least. Glad I dodged three million words of fetish trash.

>>22818070
Depends what you're after. They are all great but also very different kind of stories. They are also the start of either a duology or trilogy so maybe one of his standalone books instead? Blood Music would get my vote.

>>22816007
It has an interesting premise that the author absolutely cannot make good on. Millions of worlds that are shadows of the one true world, and the entire story takes place in four or five, one of which is just Earth. Zelazny has a penchant for introducing interesting concepts and then resolving them in the least interesting ways. Series one has Amber as the singluar point of order in the multiverse and ever encroaching chaos on the periphery, until you actually meet the people from chaos and it's literally just another world just like Amber including having an inbred backstabbing family. The first novel starts strong as Jason Borne but magic has to figure out how to play his relatives off one another to figure out how to regain his memory and find those he can trust and each sequel reduces that web down again and again until it's a simple Good vs. Bad story. Almost the same deal with the second half of the series.

>>22818295
>Zelazny has a penchant for introducing interesting concepts and then resolving them in the least interesting ways.
Ah, no wonders he was PKD's friend. They did a colab when PKD couldn't be bothered to finish Deus Irae. I've read Zelazny's Lord of Light a few weeks ago and it felt like DBZ with King Yama and all. I was disappointed the book was just a basic drama with godlike shounen characters.

>>22809012
if you just want to know if the T/F thing ever gets revealed by the end of TCG she never finds out anon

>>22809213
>>22818080
From peak to trough in two books. What a shame. Does this make you rethink your feelings about the first book?

Have any anons read pic related and if so would you rec it?

>>22818355
>>/lit/thread/17061141#p17067707
Others have read it as well.

i just found out David Drake passed away

>>22818413
Have you read anything he wrote?

>>22818432
Nope, and I don't plan to. I avoid authors that publish more than 1 book a year.

>>22808287
Okay, I finished Hyperion.

4.5/5.

It was mysterious up until the end basically, it was what I had hoped Ringworld would be more like, I wanted mystique. I don't know if I liked how Hyperion ended, but I feel *okay* with it. I am sort asking myself if the series is worth it now, opinions are welcome.

It felt like a fix-up novel that was written all at once in a concerted manner. So that was neat.

The combat is good I guess, I don't really care about combat in a book.

The characters were all pretty interesting, some were way more interesting than others but we all have favorites I suppose.

The world building was really good, seeing the world through all the different characters view points contributed to that.

Spoiler review time.
some parts of the stories the characters tell is um, boring or atleast I wasn't interested in it. The generals story just sort of blurred, the pages of Siri and the consuls romance at the end was like, yoo get to the point I get that they love each other now tell me wtf is going on. But that's probably just me. The shrike is interesting and I hope he isn't a let down. The TechoCore being one of the 'bad' guys was kinda lame imo, idk I just don't fucking care about them at all, honestly I don't know if I care about any of that government war shit at all, I just want to know what the fucking point of it all COLLECTIVELY is.

Also, someone else make the thread next time so I don't fuck it up. I see now what I did wrong, but if you guys force me to make the next one, I'm going to do it again intentionally.

:)

>>22818432
yes, Hammer Slammers, northworld, Lord of the Isles and a few of his standalones like Redliners (probably his best novel) he was in vietnam and his writing reflects that a lot.

>>22818468
>Nope, and I don't plan to. I avoid authors that publish more than 1 book a year.

Is this a good place to start if I learn DnD lore?

>>22818506
Sure, Icewind Dale trilogy and the Harpers series are good starting points too

>>22818506
There are literal lorebooks if you only want lore. Also the lore changes with each edition of D&D so it depends on which edition's lore you want.

>>22818469
You messed up. You said you were willing to make the next thread. Nothing else really matters aside from that. You're locked into doing so now until you simply give up all hope and don't care anymore whether the thread is made or not.

>>22818527
>Reading lorebooks
Look at this nerd

The end of sffg. Sad.

>>22818161
Yeah, I was sort of looking to start a series after reading Moving Mars.
I found Eon at the thrift store for $3 so I'll probably start there.

We need the shelf that saved /sffg/. Anon.. you're our only hope

>>22818974
Dude Wolfe!!!

>>22818974
reddit shelf

>>22818991
But have (You) read VanceSimmonsBakkerAshtonSmithHoward?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!???!???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

>>22808614
>Think a torturer who's the good guy and a bunch of messed up, realistic characters.
literally describing book of the new sun

>>22819191
>>22819191
>>22819191
new