/lit/ - Literature

that and a gym membership is really all u need

>>22728616
you can build a picture of women by knowing what about you applies to everyone, but then it's just an earlier thing you were never there for

>>22728616
You might be too far gone if you need to read a book for dating

Models
>don't try to be someone youre not in order to pick up girls, just bee yourself :)
>and make sure yourself is perfect first

>>22728616
ill never read a book by a moron who wrote a book about not giving a fuck

"yeah bro be vulnerable you'll get so much respect and ass"

Has anyone actually approached a woman in real life without booze?

>>22728616
No. Any book that doesn't leech potentiality

>>22728947
can you translate that sentence into english?

>>22728926
bout 14 times
2 of them worked

>>22728616
>"don't be needy"
>"also don't be selfish and narcissistic"
>proceeds to give an example of how even a nerdy man with hardly any experience can get tons of pussy by being selfish and narcissistic
Huh

>>22728836
This is good advice thoughalbeit.

>>22728926
I did that. Using the approach from that book. It worked and the woman is my wife today.

>>22728919
Fat Zelensky? Dafuq

>>22728926
Met my gf by just chatting when we met through a sports club. Went on a few dates - mostly without drinking- and got to know each other. I think the key is having an acceptable environment to actually talk to be honest.

>>22729800
With all that aid from the US, what would you expect?

>>22728616
It's almost entirely stolen from a dating company called RSD. Look them up instead.

>>22729916
rsd is shite

>>22728616
I fap like 5 times a day but I don't watch porn there is no way I can possibly feel the impulse to date

>>22729759
Story?

>>22729996
So this was a number of years ago (I cringe a bit when thinking back on it). But I basically followed the advice in the book, i.e. made myself "vulnerable". It went something like this: "Hey, I know this sounds weird, but I would kick myself later if I didn't ask you out now." I made it clear that she was free to say no, and that would actually be perfectly fine with me since I wouldn't have to think about her anymore then. In that sense, I wasn't being needy, which is also a big deal in the book.

It probably would have worked out anyway (we were both part of a larger student group, so the approach wasn't completely cold), but at the very least the book gave me the motivation to actually approach someone with the intention of setting up a date. It's a far better and more practical book than his later works.

>>22730016
nice

Sex is by far the most disgusting thing thing ever.

Christcucks and mudsilmes are absolutely right about this

>>22729916
>RSD
Red Scare Dog? Rhode Island (School of) Design?

>>22729759
If true extremely based, we know that's not true though

>>22730232
It is true though. See>>22730016
I approached in 2018. We got married in 2021. Not sure why that would be so difficult to believe. The book emphasizes HONEST communication. I still believe in that.

>>22730301
I approached in 2016*

>>22728836
Yes. That's literally all there is to it. It's how chad does it and how you can do it, too.

>>22728836

It's good advice though. If you have to be fake all the time it gets exhausting, its so nice to be yourself around a girl and she likes you.

If your self is trash then yes you should improve.

>>22728616
Why even bother reading these redpill grifter books? Pulling women is a solved problem
>be a competent man (status, wealth, future prospects, physical fitness, fashion and grooming)
>don't be a little bitch (doormat, whinger, passive aggressive, dishonest etc)

the one part i dont get is the community bit where you meet women. like everything i enjoy is all male. all my hobbies, only guys show up to any group thing or club im in. they aren't even autistic hobbies either, it's literally running, soccer and playing in a band. 2/3 of them is obvious why not but like no girls run ever in my club.

>>22730360
This isnt even a "redpill" book its literally a book to help people do what you said.

>>22730361
Women are literally subhuman. Embrace the arcane.

>>22730361
Considering you are on /lit/ maybe a book club or something like that? I think the risk is that those kind of places will likely be crawling with feminist women but there might be a few gems.

Or just go to the bookstore and try to approach there? Every time I go there are always some nice girls shopping there.

>>22728616
>dating book
are you a faggot? what the fuck, why the fuck should any heterosexual man need a bookk to date? holy shit. dating and mating is in your genes.

>>22730397
Everything in our "genes" has been messed with in the last 50 years.

Our up brining, society and culture now is so alien to our genetic makeup that your point is irrelevant.

>>22730371
>maybe a book club or something like that?
I never want to do an activity I don't think I'd actually enjoy just for the sake of women. I have looked before but I know these are books I just wouldn't read, my country doesn't have much of a thing for books but it's a lot of books that I wouldn't read. I read mostly history, and well if I joined a hypothetical book club which discusses that sort of stuff, it probably wouldn't help the issue.
>Or just go to the bookstore and try to approach there?
I've done this a bit, I do actually regular some places often but I've found that unless a girl talks to me first it's always a no.

>>22730434
>I never want to do an activity I don't think I'd actually enjoy just for the sake of women.

To be fair, this is the right attitude. Do you not have any girls in your line of work?

>>22730470
I’m currently studying an engineering course and it’s 90% guys, so the answer for that is really no. I just don’t really have any women in my life (outside of relatives) it’s not deliberate. It’s just there isn’t any in anything I do. I have been on a few dates and the like but it’s all cold approaches to get there. Everyone always says to me (and so does the book) to meet people in real life through common activities but that just doesn’t happen to me. That’s fine, while I refuse to do online dating for now I won’t expect anything and just keep trying how I always do but I think it’s clearly not how most people go about it

All pick up stuff come from this book.
It was written before the internet even used terms like “red pill” and as such is untainted by bullshit.

This book got me laid a lot. 10/10

>>22730503
Stuff like Tinder/Hinge etc isnt too bad, there's a lot of terrible girls on there but there will be some nice normal ones too, and if you arent meeting enough irl then it's probably the way to go.

>>22728836
Literally yes

>>22729034
Legit how did you do it? Because I'm scared I will catch a case in these trying times

>>22729804
Not really approaching but still good anon

>>22730301
Good job anon. Follow up question, answer if you please.

Do all marriage sex lives just die? I have only dated a girl for 3 years but we lived together. Sex slowly fades away like you hear time and time again from nearly every long term relationship.

Just hijacking this thread as I imagine someone here has read what I am looking for.

Are there any books on sex itself? I don't think I am terrible at it but want to improve but don't know how.

>>22731016
Some of it is unfathomably cringe, other advice is actually sage and has rung true.

Example: being dominant, taking control, the dirty talk method (calling her a filthy slut then the next sentence saying you love her)

>>22731004
men stop trying to be attractive and then the women get bored

>>22731068
Thanks, I will try to find a pdf of it

The hard part is cause I am naturally not that dominant, I thought this would be part of it, I don't know if that comes from being a degenerate coomer though or if its my natural state

>>22731004
I wouldn't say it fades away; it's more like a sine wave/ebb and flow kind of situation, where there's a lot of sex going on in certain periods (mainly when traveling) and in others hardly anything. That's our case at least, but we have a kid on the way, too, so there will be less going forward I assume.

>>22731133
I don't think so. Every women always blames the man, of course. He has to mix it up, he has to figure it, he has to know which ones of venus's moons is in retrograde.
But I stayed in the gym, she got fatter and would never want to do physical activities.

It's like the completed their goal and can now stop trying. They achieved commitment, and don't have sex drives or the need for sex like a man does so they stop

>>22731160
This is sad, it's also my worst fear. Have you told her she is getting/got fat or tried to broach it in any way at all?

>>22731148
Well the bedroom is it's own realm. It has it's own rules, which I believe the book talks about. For example you can say unfathomable things while having sex and if a girl is horny it works.
Once a girls "horny" switch is flipped a lot of things become possible.

For example you can't talk a girl into anal using logic discussion in regular life unless she's a really fun girl, the way to have anal is to be already having sex while she is super horny then go for it.

You can be dominant in the bedroom quite easily while being more laid back in everyday life

>>22731168
Well you can't do that either or you're an asshole. It really is rigged in every way lmao.

Ask any married man on planet earth that has been married a decade and they will sadly tell you the same. They almost never have sex. It is so common it's the norm

>>22731179
So do you cheat or just never have sex?

>>22728926
Yeah all the time, very easy in social circle

>>22728616
>looks don't matter
>height doesn't matter
>money doesn't matter
>intention matters
kek yeah okay mark

>>22731780
>hasnt read the book

why are you here

>>22731337
I think most men's libido drop off a cliff as they become older. The few men who remain aroused tend to cheat or masturbate depending on the their marriage.
I remember when I went with the husband of my mom's friend to buy some magazines and he went straight for the porn ones. Also when my mom and I were leaving their house at one time, he literally turned on the porn channel. She pretended everything was normal though. They were fairly wealthy since he was a doctor and she inherited a few properties from her parents. Their marriage must have been good to this day.
I don't think men are supposed to remain monogamous for very long.

>>22731179
>you can't do that
Yeah you can. Stop being a little fucking bitch. The only reason you aren't getting what you want is that you've established a precedent of being someone who will put up and shut up. People call you an asshole and try to push you around for it when you speak up if you normally don't - whereas if you always speak your mind they just accept who you are and don't assume you'll give in to any demands for apology.

>>22730397
It's not in the genes of dysgenic faggots like OP, which is a market opportunity for all kinds of grifters.

>>22732567
Have a relationship before you give advice,.you can't call the person you love fat unless they appreciate the truth( no woman does).

I didn't want to hurt her self confidence, plus it's a mean thing to say when I of course had other flaws.

I tried to suggest it in other ways but if a person isn't active before they meet you and that's not a priority you can't change them

>>22732613
>I tried to suggest it in other ways but if a person isn't active before they meet you and that's not a priority you can't change them

You have hit the nail on the head which a lot of people realise too late.

>>22728616
no... uh... the crew is an ok place to be. you don't need to see my smile

Women are banned from my epic book club. Like a boss

“The percentage of women who are Receptive to you will increase proportionally to the quality of your lifestyle, your social status and your looks. The percentage of women that you’re able to move from Neutral to Receptive will be proportional to how good your “game” is, or how well you’re able to communicate and express yourself with women. And your ability to sort through each type of women and meet as many as possible will be determined by how fearless and bold you are when it comes to meeting women.”

>>22733668
yes, the flower can do it too

>>22728778
stupidest post on this board right now

>>22728778
ok then. just, uh, don't ask questions. don't even bait a little. just roll over and die like every other core experience

>>22728616
if you actually read this book you are never getting laid
you can't get laid by reading a fucking book

based on my own observations women like men who are concerned about the same normalfag crap they are concerned about

i don't like normalfag small talk and for that reason i am never getting laid

>>22733825
>i don't like normalfag small talk and for that reason i am never getting laid
yeah. i wonder what the problem here is

all you need is a lot of money and nothing else

>>22730118
Real Social Dynamics.

How do you reconcile the conflicting feeling of wanting a gf/wife so you can have a family but also meeting hot girls regularly that you want to fuck but forcing yourself not to?

>>22730397
What gene makes you good at 21st century mating techniques?

>>22728778
/thread

>>22728926
Why would I ever do that? I wouldn't want strangers bothering me when I'm going about my day and I'm sure neither would they.

How do you KNOW a girl is into you?

I am okay at communicating but I get anxious about escalating things in case I have misread the situation.

There is a cute girl at work who talks to me all the time (usually initiated by her) and she always seems to give off the signs she is into me (touching, seems super happy around me, other body language things which are perceived to be a good indication) I feel like I am 70% sure she is into me, but I feel thats cause of my autism, a normal chad would probably see this as 100%.

Should I just try to flirt and bring up more sexual topics and she if she is receptive to that as that should confirm interest or if she is just being friendly?

>>22734509
No. Work is work.

>>22734531
Bro we aren't on Reddit.

>>22728616
>the best dating book for men
>????????
This book was written and published years before the proliferation of Big Dating swipe apps, so it's completely irrelevant to anything that's going on now


>>22734509
>at work
>try to flirt and bring up more sexual topics
Lmao enjoy your trip to HR and probable termination (best case scenario where you get off easy)

>>22734509
Just ask her out sometime for drinks or dinner. If she seems into it, you are definitely in. If she seems reluctant, maybe not but it couldn’t hurt to go out with her and test the waters a bit more.

I do agree with>>22734911
though, don’t say anything sexually forward to a coworker without knowing for sure

>>22734911
That wouldnt even happen, get off the internet for once.

>>22734919
Thankyou for your more tempered advice.

>>22734927
>something that happens literally all the time
>touch grass!
Then again you're retarded enough to actually ask out a coworker (with all the unintended consequences that may bring further down the line) so the concept of situational awareness must be completely alien to you

>>22730360
>be a competent man (status, wealth, future prospects, physical fitness, fashion and grooming)
You are a heterosexually gay man

>>22730361
Maybe try having a remotely artistic hobby? Painting, drawing... dancing is a very good one. Plenty of women in music, I dunno if you deliberately chose the most sausagefest band you could find, cause when I watch an orchestra play, there are plenty of girls there. Not in a band myself though. I danced until it got boring.

>>22730503
Plenty of clubs in your university have women in them I would bet. And your choice of clubs isn't limited to your coursework.

nacionalizases

>>22731068
just been reading some of this

>he doesnt actually enjoy having sex, he just enjoys the fact that he's having sex
>tfw emotionless robot

Reading it alone ain't gonna solve shit. Unless you're fit , have a good to somewhat good money and social skills , it's just like porn for you.

You'll feel you're doing something but no , you'd be just sitting on yo ass reading a book.

Get a gym membership and sort yo life out first mate.

>>22735744
The books literally talks about people who consume loads of info but take no action.

>>22735754
I know but it's Mark Manson , guy who wrote Subtle Art of not giving a F

In short - master of disguising sorta nothing advice into a big piece of bullshit and writing a book

Reading models alone ain't gonna do shit. And it just reiterates the same facts all boys know since school :-

Be attractive. Be social.

Only other good piece of advice in models I found was - don't jerk off or watch porn for a week or two , and use that energy to get your ass up and do something.

But even that was borrowed from other books.

Mark Manson is a hack.

Models is just Red Pill but politically correct.

Being vulnerable - girls will eat you up if you lose frame. He could have just said, be open to new experiences instead of vulnerable.

Tell your shitty simpy messages to girls, they'll laugh at them with the chad they're fucking.

Don't be needy - Same red Pill lesson. Hold frame. Project that you have lots of sex even if you don't. Don't be desperate.

Shit. Nothing new. Do guys nowadays don't even know these basics? Have they not experienced highschool heartbreaks enough on hands of Chads to learn these lessons by themselves?

Such a faggot generation when even basics need to be spoonfed.

Next what - Mark Manson 's guide to Talking to a Human Being

>>22735950
go back to whatever subreddit you came from

>>22735957
>go back to whatever subreddit you came from
People like you unironically buy such crap self help books and like such basic advices it's funny as fuck

Tell a girl you read Models and she'll leave you , call you names. Bitches don't like men reading dating advices.

Models will not help you. You need to help yourself.

Or get bullied more in school to realise the world is bullshit and girls are mostly opportunistic creatures who will fuck you over in a second.

Show your attraction. But also not show your attraction. Crap.

Do you think the ripped guy in her gym even gave 2 fucks about if she will find him vulnerable? No.

Or the guy in her music class who has his own band thought " what if I play cool"?

It's all internalised.

By god's grace if some of you losers even get laid once , you'll throw all the lessons away out the window instantly post nutting and start planning a family with Stacy , who wants to settle after riding the dick carousel for 10 years.

Reading self help is like watching daily soap on television. You do nothing , but feel accomplished.

>>22735950
>>22735992
>just be like chad bro

>>22735950
The best advice imo is about Polarization. It is the main thing that makes nice guys unattractive and I don't think it is an obvious thing.

Shit

1. Get fit

2. Get better clothes

3. Get haircut

4. Remain hygeinic enough so that she sucks your cock

5. Earn money

6. Have some hobbies for fucks sake and no , watching movies and tv is not a hobby.

7. Have social skills. Talk to strangers. Get Outta your autistic shell you faggot.

There. And let me tell you , no football player or rich guy , or some skinny musician thinks this much. The women fall on their dicks like dogs chasing after a ball. Unless you internalise all this , it will remain fake. And people know it's fake. So work on yourself for yourself and not just for pussy.

Y'all worry about pussy so much , it reeks of desperation that drives that pussy away even further.

Why do you even want girls who don't want the real you.

Hire escorts. Cheaper.

Do women read such books? Never heard. Men have become such faggots due to porn.

>Polarisation

Wow. If she is into you , it's easy af. If she's neutral or not "polarised" , 99.9% , it's not happening. There is no scale , or instrument where you can tell she is being nice or actually neutral. And unless you're already attractive , you can't work on yourself in the short period of time to polarise her.

Hire hookers and you'll be realising a lot more. And you'll develop the non neediness as well. Win win.

>>22736006
>just be like chad bro

The forever cuck thinks something that requires deep rooted change in behaviour and personality can be taught

Enjoy the 0 pussy or the stale half the city has already used it pussy while you worship Mark Manson on Amazon and give the book a 5 star rating

>>22728616
No. This is. Search your heart. You know it to be true.

>>22728947
I think he's saying he prefers to languish in the unknown, not knowing what is conducive to harm or benefit to himself or others rather than feel like he is taking a prescription for proper conduct.

>>22736035
>>22735992
newfaggot redditor spacing

>>22735950
>>22735992
>>22736035
>>22736045

Damn did the author fuck your gf or something?

>>22728623
lol, if you can afford it. Health correlates with income

>>22736226
How can you not afford a gym membership lmao

>>22733835
What the fuck? Are you retarded? The guy is clearly aware of why he is not getting laid moron, work on your reading comprehension.

>>22736035
This nigga is zesty!

>>22736256
50% of this board is ESL.

>>22736270
True but this is /lit/ for fucks sake. Everyone here should know how to read english well enough.

>>22731160
Women are impervious to accountability: news at 11

>>22736252
I’m poverty class. Probably explains the correlation between being poor and being fat. You know I’m right.

>>22736528
drop the soda, fatty

>>22728616
just bee urself

It’s embarrassing that I as a software engineer and likely genius, needed this book recommendation.

>>22728616
Perhaps. Read The Game also. But what’s more important is time spent socializing. Nothing is more important than time socializing because you have to learn through experience. Knowledge only can supplement it. And fuck anyone who disagrees with me here but if you don’t have any girls, you have to understand that a lot of attraction is a skill that you practice. A lot of people who have a lot of friends don’t have to put effort into meeting people to date, but if you lack a big social circle then you have to learn the skill of attraction. You really learn a lot about people and yourself through developing this skill

>>22728836
The issue is that “being yourself” IS the hard part. It’s too easy to act awkward because you care what they think about you. I agree the advice is essentially useless at first but the goal is to have the realization that it’s true

>>22733825
It’s not that deep
>>22730366
Based
>>22734509
Just wear the optics of someone who knows how to pick up girls, it’s worth a shot
>>22736111
Maybe based

>>22736528
Weight and poverty are both inversely correlated with self control. CICO works; just eating less is all you need to lose weight and it saves you money. Despite that, a lot of poor people keep shoveling 3000+ calories down their throats every day because they don't have the self control to stop.

>>22737451
>SWE with an inflated sense of self worth who thinks intelligence is everything
You're the target demographic these books were written for.

>>22734976
>Maybe try having a remotely artistic hobby? Painting, drawing... dancing is a very good one
I do. I write and I do draw but these aren't exactly social hobbies. As for dancing I do enjoy dancing but not the sort you would go to classes for, as I said before I won't do something I know I won't enjoy for the sake of getting with a woman.
>I dunno if you deliberately chose the most sausagefest band you could find
Well I play what I enjoy, Rock and Metal music. Playing with mates and doing a gig once in a while isn't really a way to meet women because there aren't any there.
>Plenty of clubs in your university have women in them I would bet
Clubs/Uni life aren't really a thing at my university, and as far as I know, most universities in Australia. Trust me when I say, I have tried. But doing something twice a semester because that's all they do isn't really going to get anybody anywhere.

>>22730361
Dance, yoga, painting and improv have lots of women.
> But I only like male hobbiea
Too bad anon. To get the women you have to think like a woman.

>>22737599
>I never leave my comfort zones and i never meet potential partners in my comfort zones what am I doing wrong bros

>>22737464
>But what’s more important is time spent socializing. Nothing is more important than time socializing because you have to learn through experience.
This. You can read every dating book on the market and remember every pickup line in the world, but untill you actually put yourself out there it is all wasted.

>>22730361
> like everything i enjoy is all male. all my hobbies, only guys show up to any group thing or club im in.
You are gay.

>running
>soccer
>playing in a band
Extremely gay.

>>22736035
Anon's kinda cringe but he's right about desperation. It's a viscious cycle that virgins hyper stimulated by porn get trapped in.
>Desperate because can't get girl
>Inability to get girl increases desperation
>Ad infinitum
That desperation has to be broken, and unfortunately for people who've had little to no luck with women that can most easily be accomplished by purchasing a ticket to Thailand or Amsterdam.

>>22736035
Based af

>>22736035
It's so unfair, a woman just needs to be reasonably slim and not a cunt to get laid.

>>22738629
Transition then

>>22738747
Fuck off jew

>>22738274
As Mark Manson put it in an essay, you can be confident even if you have no history of success by becoming comfortable with failure. You become fearless (and therefore, attractive) when you no longer fear failure.

Something else to keep in mind: in a nature documentary, I saw that tigers fail to take down their prey about 90% of the time.

If a fucking tiger fails 90% of the time, you can expect your own failure rate to be higher, as you are not a fucking tiger.

Interestingly, in Models, Mark's own stats are those of a tiger: he has done about 1000 approaches and slept with around 100 women.

Be a tiger. Fuck up 90% of the time.

>>22738901
Nah I need that reversed. I need to succeed 90% of the time and fail 10%

The smartphone and internet caused a revolution in dating which swung the power all in the hands of women

As long as women have the power to have 1000 boyfriends paying $15 a month to her instead of having a normal dorky 9-5 job boyfriend, all while having hundreds and hundreds of options coming to her phone, you're going to have this massive power imbalance, especially when it is also enforced by the government and institutions. Universities have rapidly swung towards female majorities and outright shun masculinity in the west.

Combine this with mass immigration, atomization of people, lack of subcultural groups, lack of public social spaces, extreme inequality and the cost of living, organic relationships will only develop outside of this system.

Having based baby mommas and not getting married is a better idea in 2023 than going through the steps society pushes you towards in order to get divorce-raped or whatever other method society can capitalize on your desire to stave off loneliness.

Remember... all of these forces want you to be as lonely, as broke, as miserable, and as easily controlled as possible. So many guys you meet who make good money and who are married end up the most depressed and miserable because they don't get sex, they don't get respect DESPITE 100k+ year jobs, and they know if they bring it up with their wives, she can just divorce-rape his ass, get alimony, child support, and then fuck dorks from her phone while the guy has to give her the house, kids, and family pet or face a lengthy court battle that is already setup to benefit the woman.
>on the other hand
Don't end up a rich 50+ year old guy without kids, because your future will be bleak. Imagine coming home to your empty house, or a house with just a dog and nobody to greet you with "daddy!" at the door and a big hug.
>find your own path
The only advice I have for young men is to live an adventurous life, you're only young once, and if you meet a based woman with a good family, do not be afraid to jizz in her as long as she doesn't mind. Women want a man who is impulsive and spontaneous, women hate wishy-washy dorks who would rather cum in a latex bag and be the cuck that has to throw their seed in the trash.

>>22738901
Sleeping with 100 women without paying is easy as fuck
>over 25 years, that is only 1 every 3 months or so
Finding that 1 based, beautiful and genuinely wise woman to reproduce with... now that is a challenge.
>it is possible, if a schizo like me can do it, so can you

>>22730361
Becoming a regular at your local bar is the 100% easiest way to build a social circle
>next level
Next step is to cultivate a few good male friends who are upstanding guys
>small crew
Okay, now the next step is to throw small gatherings like BBQs in the summer, throwing a football around a park or beach
>rainy weather, winter
Have potluck dinners, post your fun times on social media, show you and your friends doing fun things and being happy
>house parties
If you have your own apartment, which, I know, can be difficult post-COVID in this fucked world, if you can host house parties, women will be drawn into wanting to know you if your place is decently clean and showcases that you are an interesting person
>the system
The system benefits the most when you are lonely, depressed, and unable to blaze your own path in life. You will never develop any ego and you will gladly just become a 9-5 slave for Mr. Sheckleburg and collect your good goy points for voting librul or conservatard while 9-5'ing for 40+ years to "make it" by buying a small box to live in, and if you REALLY make it, you'll end up renting out your properties to some brown students so you can watch sportsball at the pub and eventually become a 60 year old gay man who hasn't felt the touch of a woman, but who completely lauds the system that molded you into an effeminate, system-serving faggot.

>>22730361
Nice dogjack

>every book says to be dominant
>just want to eat ass and suck toes

its not fair

Just a reminder that Jason Bryan was correct in his prediction of the future 10 years ago with his 1st novel "City of Singles"
>serial monogamy, good at dating
The thing is, you don't want to be good at dating, because the better you are at dating, the worse you'll be in your relationships. Also, it makes exiting a relationship that much easier, and more difficult to bond... because what is the point of loving a woman if she's incredibly replaceable?
>baby momma
The only true bond you can make with a woman is through the mutual struggle to produce happy, healthy, well-adjusted children.
>what is dating?
Dating itself, in many ways, is the introduction to the rest of your life, trading away power and money in order to fit in, get sex, and participate in a society that does everything in its power to conform you to what is expected of you, even when those things do not benefit you but instead benefit people at the top of the pyramid and keep the wealth flowing out of your pockets. They don't want you reproducing because of the costs associated with raising a child to working age... why would they want this when they can import browns who are already adults and who will need:
>place to live(rent, mortgage right away)
>phone($100+ to the big telcos)
>food($400+ a month to the food oligarchs)
>vote within the system(every fucking brown is going to vote liberal, conservative, or NDP in Canada, 100% the establishment parties controlled by the oligarchy)
They are replacing you and the dating market and the entire culture around love and relationships is designed to keep you on the plantation.
>baby momma
Having a baby momma instantly keeps the government out of your relationship, out of your pockets, no divorce court, no lawyers fees, no social pressure to maintain a facade. There are many advantages to having children out of wedLOCK compared to having them in a marriage that can turn sour at any moment.

>>22739681
You are not meant to reproduce

>>22739708
How did my genes get this far then? It is obviously a symptom of modernity.

>>22739729
>just want to eat ass and suck toes
There is something wrong with you.

>>22739702
Fuck off Jason

>>22739742
My mating strategy worked.

Yours?

This is gay, read Mystery.

>>22728919
>"

>>22739737
Yeah I am aware of that for plenty of reasons besides sex.

>>22737470
Being yourself is easy, but other men will hate on you if you just "be yourself" and that attracts women while they have to work so hard at creating a fake "frame" and then they still can't attract any real hotties.

>>22739681
desu its not really about what you do its about how you do it

>>22739621
> Over 25 years

What the fuck dude, it didn't take Mark 25 years to rack up that body count, I have no idea why you think that timeframe is relevant. And even then, that is hard for a 35 year old virgin who has always been a weirdo.

> finding the based woman

Yeah, that is a worthy goal. At my age, I don't care about piling up conquests, I just want a girlfriend.

>>22728778
The fate of civilization depends on raising the fuck rate, and that means helping people who were raised wrong so they start fucking. PUA may be cringe in some ways, but it is eugenic and necessary.

>>22733689
Meeting women is about talking, reading a book to learn how to talk is stupid when you could just practice talking to people. Stop finding excuses not to do things.

>>22740188
Mark himself says this in the book, that you could probably figure out everything in it in like a year by just throwing yourself out there.

But it's still useful to debug basic failure modes, such as the extremes of narcissism and neediness.

>>22740284
>Mark himself says this in the book, that you could probably figure out everything in it in like a year by just throwing yourself out there.
Does Mark actually discuss the massive revolution in sex and dating that has happened in the last 10-15 years, or does he just drop bland, common sense approaches to get women that would work in nearly any era?

Right now, women hold all of the power. Look at even the richest men and they have all been divorced and/or cucked like Will Smith.
>2024
Everything is designed to make you as helpless as possible to change anything about your life, so that someone can provide a solution that costs you your agency, money, time, and power.

>>22740002
>Over 25 years
>What the fuck dude, it didn't take Mark 25 years to rack up that body count
Was just using that as an example, how 100 women across your life is a pretty easy "achievement" in modern times. But to get a woman who is actually trustworthy and with you for something other than a parasitic reason is MUCH more difficult.

>>22740544
The book is from 2011. But I don't know man, people still try to meet outside the apps, there are even plenty people of both genders who never use them, it's not some kind of total revolution.

>>22740594
>it's not some kind of total revolution.
lol

>>22740617
You live on the internet

>>22740698
>he hasn't noticed the rapid changes in the world

>>22728616
The best dating book for men is How I Met Your Mother And How I Lost Her Afterwards.

>>22734963
What? What are you trying to say? Passive aggressiveness is little bitch behavior, state what you mean if you want to be taken seriously.

>>22734976
>try having a [..] hobby
>for women
what utterly pathetic doormat reasoning. A hobby is a major part of your life. A way to do something for yourself, not others, so your life isn't entirely wasted.

Any hobby you pursue for external goals is no hobby at all, just another kind of work.

>>22740698
bro average women with zero post on insta with 200 followers gets like 100+ dms

It's fucking crazy

>>22735744
>Unless you're fit , have a good to somewhat good money and social skills ,
These won't get you laid.

>>22741219
Social media has buck broken men so hard. Everything they do must be centered around women and sex and normalfagging. Fucking crazy.

I'm also struggling with this

>>22741223
Why tho?

>>22728616
What about for women?

>>22741222
Compelling argument to try to meet women in person.

>>22741699
Step 1: Don't be fat

That's it. Even if you fail step 1 you still have good chances of someone wanting you.

>>22742186
Yeah, I literally know a fat 25 year old tranny that married a 40 year old.

>>22742186
This men will fuck any women with a pulse. Even if that women is a land whale somewhere there would be a degenerate fetishist ready to fuck her and support her for the rest of her life.

>>22736035
What is the samsara ?

>>22740544
I disagree on women holding all the power. It just from the men perspective, because, when thinking about "power" in this stuff, we think about "fucking" first and foremost (although this is true in terms of legal shit). Women arent fucking happy. They dont get what they want. Even worse, they dont even know, what they actually want anymore. We are in the same boat. And I cant even pin all the sinking on them alone, because to get it this far, millions (billions now?) men had to enable this shit. How many bitches sell their photos online vs how many retards actually willing to pay for that shit? One anon higher up was talknig, how a girl now can have 1000 guys in her phone, who would each give her 15$ per month, so why should she care about 9/5 guy. But those guys, they are fucking guys. Its not other women who enable this shit to happen.
To put it another way - if the womens would stop this shit, would guys stop trying to buy them? And, vice versa, if guys would stop buying, would women keep selling?

>>22742425
Well, the biggest thing to keep in mind, I think, is that this technology is relatively new as far as human history goes... that's why we're seeing such an imbalance currently. Dating scams affect both men and women and they are extremely common.

So, so, SO many people get caught in a foreign sting / scam operation when they flirt with a "woman" on social media, take it to DM or what's app or some other messaging service, and then send a dick pic and then are extorted by someone online for like $1000 or we send the pics to your friends, family, boss, etc etc.

The online aspect of socializing has completely revolutionized male-female interactions and has created so many ways to scam, deceive, and control people. People who may have been in rocky relationships before who used to be forced to try and be better people and make concessions and compromises to save their relationships and families, instead now can load up a dating app and cheat from the toilet.
>To put it another way - if the womens would stop this shit, would guys stop trying to buy them? And, vice versa, if guys would stop buying, would women keep selling?
There are so many layers of nuance to this, so many possible factors, but I'd say that in the current state of our hyper-consoooooomer society, people are willing to do anything for a buck and social isolation is much higher than ever before. I'd say that women are in a prime position to get as much money for their time and attention as possible from men who have never, in general, had less power and social mobility here in the west.

>>22741226
100% this, and if you don't conform, you're banned.

>>22742695
Im not exactly sure, why you get so deep into scams?
> I'd say that women are in a prime position to get as much money for their time and attention as possible
Yeah, but its yours/mine/man's in general to give away. Its not like women take it from us, we give it to them.
Its, while not exactly related 100%, but still - if a gril cheats with you, she will cheat on you. Its our own decisions lead to this, basically. We also use social meadia, but we are in no position to get as much money for my time as possible. Why? Cause there is no one willing to pay. There is demand. And its big. Good question would be "why is there such a huge demand?"

>>22730305
I was in college 2016-2022 and it is really incredible how much worse the environment became in just those 6 years. I mean obviously anons can't just give up, but they are playing with a much worse deck of cards than you and I were in 2016.

>>22728926
I approached my current gf of a year at a melt banana concert

There's nothing in that book about dating, meeting or interacting with women at all

It's just a generic self help book with a title that implies there's anything about it, but there isn't.
It's just the same as all other self help books, which are the same 1 book which is just compilation of morals of childrens stories (have a job, drink water, bathe etc.)

There's absolutely nothing written in it that relates to any contact with a woman, speaking to a woman, interacting with one.
If you are a 60 year old virgin incel who doesn't speak to women, you are already applying all the advice written in it right now.

>>22743683
You haven't read the book.

>>22743683
Why lie? He talks about the importance of demographics for meeting compatible women, about physicality, even about something you can say when cold approaching:

> I know this is really random, but I thought you were cute and I wanted to meet you.

But of course, you won't get a flow chart, because that's not how socializing works.

>>22743692
I read the book, you haven't
>>22743707
you wont get the flowchart because he hasn't approached any women this way so he has no clue how this interaction could play out like
>importance of demographics for meeting compatible women, about physicality
That's unrelated to actually meeting them. You can be a dying virgin fully aware of demographics and physicality and still die a virgin because neither of it is related to actually meeting them. There is nothing in the book about actually coming into contact with women.

>>22742714
>Yeah, but its yours/mine/man's in general to give away. Its not like women take it from us, we give it to them.
The male-female dynamic is all give and take, but women take but rarely give in 2023.
>2003
The guy that used to tell me to "seek help" on here, he was the one who taught me how to deal with women. We even had a motto in the late 90's "buy it, and quiet" where we had women take US to lunch and buy US lunch just to hang out with us. Women were so submissive and chased men in the 90's and early 00's, and we took advantage of that power dynamic.
>2008
Once the smartphone came out, women had access to a massive dating pool they didn't have before, and the power dynamic swung back wildly in their favour.

>>22743738
I literally told you a line he uses. Just walk up to a woman and say it, if you have the balls (I know I don't, I'm learning to dance to have a warmer approach). He has a lot of tips on being a good conversationalist too.

And of course demographics is extremely relevant to meeting women, it makes perfect sense that being part of a social scene is a great way to find prospects.

>>22736226
Sheeesh nibba this post is giving SDE

www.pickupguide.com
http://www.pickupguide.com/puguide.htm
THIS STUFF WORKS
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK

>>22743310
how did you do it

>>22735335
did you expect something different from a book called "sex god method"

This is the actual book you should read

>>22731004
NTA but as you get older your fucking gets slightly less but more intense because you know exactly what the other person wants and you're not experimenting. A lot of people get complacent or don't even try to please their partners though, and that really kills it is this.

Communication is fucking important and that doesn't matter whether you're picking someone up for the first time or on your ten year anniversary. Relationships require work.

>>22728926
I've never used booze to pick up women. Drunk women are awful to be around.

>>22744536
Where do you pick them up? Also, how much do you persist if you're getting ambivalence? I'm starting to wonder if I quit too early.

>>22744058
>Just walk up to a woman and say it
Then you just fundamentally do not understand how human beings bond or form relationship.
No one in the world gets into a relationship this way, people first get to know one another, talk, interact bond etc. and then get into flirting/relationship. Not one human has ever gotten into a relationship by this and in nearly every human culture this would just be a creepy/disturbing thing to do that will never result in sex or a date. It's not a matter of balls, it's basic social awareness, not being autistic.
>He has a lot of tips on being a good conversationalist too.
He has no tips on either, especially when it comes to speaking to women.

>>22741211
He's saying you're spiritually gay. Like Prince.

This book will not get you laid. You have to be confident which you can't fake because confidence comes from natural positive feedback from other people. You can't convinve yourself to be confident because you have read some manmade words

The only advice I can give you as a 31 year old male who had some luck is that you have to be the three: (in that order)
1.Lean
2.Good Haircut
3.Don't have mental illness

That's pretty much it

>>22745086
I can totally imagine that working. When I have used it, I have been let down easy, so it's not that socially uncalibrated. Hell, I mean, one time the woman had a boyfriend (as in, I literally saw her kissing the guy later).

Mark is right when he says a guy who is not needy will be attractive regardless of whatever words come out of his mouth. Questions versus statements is a good tip, and so is what he says about storytelling, but really, beyond that, you only learn by doing, gradually becoming more uninhibited and socially aware, which are my two big barriers (inhibition and social awkwardness).

>>22745245
Mark says in an essay you can be confident even without the positive feedback if you become comfortable with failure. Lack of confidence is really just fear of failure in the end, you know it's true. But Mark himself got shot down like 90% of the time, so you have to be comfortable with failure, not just with this, but with other stuff too.

You wanna know how to "be yourself"? Start trying to make money from whatever personality flaw you think you have. Too depressed? Write a depressing book. Too lazy? Yeah there's no help for this one. The result is you'll be the same but the creative juices will mature your brain.

>>22745355
>When I have used it, I have been let down easy
Exactly, LET DOWN. Because this kind of thing cannot ever result in relationship.
>Mark is right when he says a guy who is not needy will be attractive regardless of whatever words come out of his mouth
That's just not true. It doesn't matter how not needy as guy is if he just blurts out KIWI ORANGE KAYAK he will not get a relationship out of it. Speaking right words matters.
>you only learn by doing
You do not. if there was anything to learn, he'd have written it out. he didn't because either 1) he has never tried applying his "book" to real life situations so he hasn't learned anything 2) he has tried it but there's nothing to learn so he couldn't write about it.

Being socially aware includes knowing that just walking up to someone random and instantly proposing will always fail. Flirting is something you have to build up to prior relationship, it cannot be done right away, and that's something he never writes about he never writes anything about coming into contact with women in the first place so instead he just writes a bunch of generic terms that are not relevant to women at at all and include no information beyond what everyone already knows out of childrens cartoons (being nice is good, not lying is good, being mean is bad etc.)


every human being and every incel knows everything written in Models and applies it to their real life 24/7 and they're still incels because nothing in the book is about actually forming relationship, having sex or speaking to a woman.

>>22728616
I got immersed in PUA in 2006-2008 when I was a student in a tiny engineering college with 9 to 1 ratio of men to women. Luckily it was in the middle of 500k city, so I had plenty of opportunities to pick up chicks outside of my college. At the time Mystery method and Rules of the Game by Neil Strauss were popular pua books and those are unironically much better than pua books published later, including Models. Earlier books were raw and didn't pull punches. However, you won't learn to pick up girls by reading a book. You need to learn it by doing. It's best if you have several pua buddies, but I think pua community is dead these days. 2006 - 2010 were golden years of pua. Multiple active pua communities in every city and guys were enthusiastically sharing tips and strategies with each other. I had dozens of articles on all aspects of pua. Openers, types of girls, witty compliments, timing, places to pick up, body language, how to escalate etc. etc. etc. All these microstrategies are completely forgotten now and even if it's mentioned it gets shoved aside as "fake" or "exploitative". We didn't care back then and you shouldn't too. You need to autistically develop every aspect of your pua skills and be ready for unexpected situations. But again, less research more doing. You learn by doing. I've made countless cold approaches, got hundreds of phone numbers and had sex with 60+ women in just two years. picking up girls is not that hard, but it's a skill you need to master.

>>22745417
>enthusiastically sharing tips and strategies with each other. I had dozens of articles on all aspects of pua. Openers, types of girls, witty compliments, timing, places to pick up, body language, how to escalate
That's not true. PUA only has two types of information about it, one is why pua is great 2nd is why everyone who disagrees is horrible. people in the community never actually did anything or went out, if you look at the 2006-2010 or modern pua, it's all the same. it's endless people talking about how cool it would be to pick up chicks, then getting mad at people asking about any details (eg what would they say). the only thing you learn by doing is that it doesn't work which is why people never share any information about cold approaches or pick up, they just talk about how cool it would be to do it. your post is example of it, your post are the only types of posts you ever saw or will see in pua circles: no information about actually doing anything, no one learning anything, no skill involved to anything, no research of anything. just talking about how cool it would be if it was possible and then not providing any details. it's because pick up is impossible and it's not a skill which is why no one learned anything about it hence no posts about it anywhere on the internet beyond the cycle of vague daydreaming then getting mad at the bubble being burst with any questioning.

>>22745434
Lol, it won't work with your whiny attitude, but it worked and works for average men with more positive outlook. I didn't say how cool it would be to do this and that, I went out, approached women, took their phone numbers, invited them on a date and get laid. If you don't believe me, check out angrypicnic or Austin Summers on youtube. Both of them are average looking guys, yet pull countless girls on the street. I'm a bit rusty, but I can share my strategies/experiences/thoughts too if there is a demand.

>>22745370
But he literally writes about what to say on the opener! And men absolutely just chat up random women with no prior relationship, I have heard of it happening IRL from a friend. Hell, an anon in this thread talked of meeting his girlfriend at a concert.

Granted, I do think cold approach is weird, which is why I'm learning to dance, to have a warmer opening.

But really, what do you want written down? It sounds like you want a flowchart, but it's like in war, no plan survives contact with the enemy. Hence why he says intellectualizing is a major blocker, thinking the problem is lack of understanding instead of lack of experience.

>>22745448
see this is what I mean, you jump into personal attacks, you won't share anything just like everyone else in pua has never shared anything regarding actual interaction, no one does this stuff in real life so all pua is are just posts like yours, nonspecific praises of pua without posting about anything that can occur in reality. youtubers are just youtubers, they film vidoes with their friends or actors.
>>22745470
It doesn't matter because the opener cannot be used in real life. Men don't chat up random women, they chat with people they are somehow connected to by their social circles, when they know something about them beforehand and have some things to start talking about before even seeing them.
>but it's like in war, no plan survives contact with the enemy
What are you talking about???
Every single war since 3000 years has had very detailed plans/flowcharts, you can go and find nearly every one of them right away, you can find plans and maps and specific movements of every corp. This board about books, we have daily threads about various books involving specific planning coming into wars and contacts with enemies. Models has no flowcharts because the writer has never actually done anything in it or had to form a relationship from scratch. There is no flowchart about this 1 sentence because it cannot happen in reality since it's just not how people form relationships.
>he says intellectualizing is a major blocker
He says it because he hasn't actually tried applying his book to real life and any intellectualizing exposes him as the scammer he is. If I wanted to con, I'd tell you questioning me is wrong too. He has no experience which is why he didn't write anything about contact with women or speaking or talking beyond 1 phrase that doesn't mean anything without proper interaction before and after it. If he had any experience with it, he'd write about it. He didn't, he hates

>>22745488
I can create a flow chart for you. But first can you watch these two video and share your thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vNeDjDwB5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAf9UAVR_6w

>>22745511
just as I said, no interaction with women, no follow ups, no conversation, no back and forward. No openers, no escalation.
and it's in short, edited 10 second bursts jumping from one to another that clearly shows that nothing can be said there or conversation to have.
no relationships, no talking, no conversations. just a man walking up then walking away who might as well have said nothing at all with a woman clearly being uncomfortable or looking straight into camera because they're aware humans do not socialize this way and this is a set up for a prank, going away without knowing anything about one another with no girlfriend.

>I can create a flow chart for you
You cannot because this doesn't happen. People do not do anything like this in real life, that's why all pua always boils down to defence of pua then attacking those who disagree with pua but never writing anything about actual interaction with women since no one into pua ever talked to a woman.

>>22745488
Dude, your mind is so busted if you want to run on flowcharts. That is a well known military proverb I just used, the original being from German Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke:

> No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy’s main strength

It's like a dance really, there is no flowchart for dancing well, even in a proper dance like salsa. That is what you should do, learn salsa, break your brain a little, meet people.

And I literally shared a story about a guy in real life who chatted up a random woman and was succesful with it. There are warmer approaches, such as volunteering. I do volunteer work, and I know a regular there who is very charming and can get numbers doing that. Certainly have seen him chatting up other volunteers.

For anyone that is struggling: the best book on creating a relationship imo is the “Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep”. For anyone that legitimately cannot find a relationship, lucid dreaming can create stronger feelings of love than anything I have ever experienced.

If you want to just skip the games and social climbing, that’s the way to do it. Much less intrusive than tulpas as well.
We have this weird culture that gaslights men into thinking a lack of a relationship is their fault. But you can still have one with meditative techniques and dream manipulation. It is no less illusory than a conventional relationship

>>22745448
Not him, but that Austin Summers guy looks like a scam. Everything about him is so soulless.

>>22746024
Spiritual delusion is absolutely a thing and it looks like you have fallen for it. Authentic spirituality will see you doing hard things.

>>22745938
Bro, think about what you're posting. There are literally step by step flowcharts of nearly every war, battle operation and dance. There are step by step moves to be done in salsa. You just cannot make one for pick up because no one does it in real life,it cannot let you speak so no one could make any flowchart of it. Wars and dance happen but pua does not. You are just doing the 2nd type of pua posting, nonsensical insulting because pua has no actual real life basis or experience. If you think even a little bit you will see that it just doesn't happen. If it did, someone would write down something they learned to say or share detailed experiences rather than just empty platitudes that omit any contact with women. You don't even volunteer, no one who does it would ever refer to it as just volunteering just as actual place/job they do (yeah you gonna make something up now but that's because you got called out) irl only children and grannies do volunteering since adults are at work. You were the one who brought up the flowcharts in the first place too just to get mad at it, it's very common for the 2nd type of pua posting. If pua was real there would be long detailed description of what was said or done, like you implied in initial post, but there aren't tberse just praise of pua then being mad at everyone who doesn't do it. No posting about actual contact with women or actually speaking or talking or getting to know one another

>>22746073
There is nothing spiritual about this. It is just a manipulation of the mind. Regardless, this is more difficult to begin with. You essentially have to be able to hold zhine for an hour or so before you can transfer it to dream stability consistently each night. If I was not disabled getting a relationship would be far easier.

It seems odd to consider this negative in any regard, since it is predicated on love and the furthering of compassion. Not sex like literally every book in this thread preaches as the end goal.

>Follow advice from book about stopping porn and only masturbating once/week
>Not fapped for 4 days
>Balls literally hurt and its now making my abdomen hurt too

how the fuck do people do nofap? are they all just low test? am I supposed to just accept the pain

>>22745417
>picking up girls is not that hard, but it's a skill you need to master.
It's funny to me when guys say this and all they did was live in a 500k city and go out at night with friends. That's how fucked the world is, if you don't live in the big city, you are just filtered out by dating apps and there is no opener because you have not been swiped on.
So everyone is crammed into these hellhole cities in desperation hanging on for dear life that there will be pussy.
PUA is meant for the socially starved, not people with hundreds of linkedin friends, that's not PUA, which is lone wolfing it, that's called having a normal one you mega retard.

>>22746595
>It's funny to me when guys say this and all they did was live in a 500k city and go out at night with friends.
By the time I was 21 or 22, I had already fucked like 50 women or something?

>That's how fucked the world is, if you don't live in the big city, you are just filtered out by dating apps and there is no opener because you have not been swiped on.
DO NOT USE THE FUCKING APPS. Build your REAL LIFE social circle. The apps and social media all run off algorithms to fuck over certain types of people and uplift others. The apps are also full of bots, flakes, scammers and weirdos without social lives.

Build your real life social circle and you can have endless pussy. At least you could 7+ years ago, I haven't been trying to date since I had my 1st kid, also, I would never date or fuck a vaxxhole, so that probably eliminates 80% of all women right there.

Build your own friend circle and find your community. That is the #1 way to become socially fluid.

>>22746595
You guys are really blinded by dissonance
Rural areas have
>No jobs
>No money
>No youth
>No women
>Massive opioid addiction
>No nightlife
>No entertainment
>No people
Because everyone with at least a quarter of a brain gets out asap because there is nothing for you there if you have any kind of ambition in life

Yet whenever someone who had less than that quarter of a brain and was left behind, hears a reminder that people outside are actually able to live life they continue to just deny that they're living in a shithole and that everyone else actually is lol

Also no pua is a pretty social thing. If you look back to the beginnings I mean the real beginnings, not the Internet beginnings, it's not lone wolf social autists going out, it's a group of guys going down to the bar and making bets on who they could take home that night.

>>22746615
don't know why you would use that photo, doesn't really facilitate your end message.
My point is that beyond big cities, communities just dissappear. So you are stuck with STD stacies on the cock carousel in the cities, or the apps, because finding women outdoors at night is impossible. The game has simply changed and PUA people (most of them simply LinkedIn cityfolk having a normal one who do absolutely zero technique as an anon suggested in this thread) refuse to admit this new era, they say the game is the same, but try and go "out dancing", Where exactly? The places simply do not exist, only clubs are left. Do you really want an STD stacy? No, people are trying, desperately, to meet a 6 who isn't a whore, and they simply aren't there to pick up. You can see them on the apps, but they are like ghosts. PUAs just dont talk about how communities don't exist anymore, but they can reiterate the past because that's all they know.

>>22746656
Sorry, I have my first nasty cold since COVID in 2021 and my brain is running at like 50% and I didn't quite get your other post.
>My point is that beyond big cities, communities just dissappear.
Even in big cities, communities, if you're white, are few and far between and, in general, extremely conformist compared to 10+ years ago.
>socializing
Post-COVID I only have experience at bars and pubs, because I have zero interest in making friends. I have a family so I don't really need to build a social circle anymore for the purpose of finding chicks to bang, but from the socializing I have done, it appears to be much less organic than ever before. People really can't put down the phones and most people are struggling to afford rent and food, let alone have money to socialize with and a desire to create community.
>why did I post a hipster image
From the 00's to the mid 10's, bartenders, part-time workers, artists, hobos, scene people could afford rent in bohemian neighbourhoods and the social scene developed around neighbourhoods. Now, it seems, social scenes develop around online spaces and interests more than geographical location. This filters out people because who you are online is, generally, not who you are in person. I find people in person tend to really like my company as I'm outgoing and mostly happy-go-lucky, but online, I do tend to just talk shit and tell it like I see it, which does NOT go over well. Especially during COVID when I said "the vaxx is total bullshit, never going to take that jew juice" and things like that.
>PUAs just dont talk about how communities don't exist anymore, but they can reiterate the past because that's all they know.
I think PUAs are interested in making money over giving any real logical, practical advice to help others.

>>22746185
Dude, you have never seen how advanced dancers go at it, or even how intermediate people learn. The advanced improvise things, the intermediate can learn new moves on the dance floor simply from watching others. There is no fucking flowchart or strategy for being a good dancer, you learn by doing.

I don't even understand your problem with what I said about volunteering. This volunteering I'm doing is done at night, we drive around giving stuff and talking to the homeless. This is the webpage for the org: https://www.iniciativacomunitaria.org/

You need to get out if this isn't trolling man, you need to get out and fuck up, you are trying to have too much control, it's not possible to learn without failure.

>>22746195
I don't think you can learn compassion alone in your room, this is like thinking you can learn about love by jerking it to porn. Compassion is something you manifest in the world, not something that stays locked in your head.

>>22728616
Jesus fucking christ, over 200 replies in this retarded thread about some shitty roastie book, you people are all retarded coomer garbage.

>>22746253
No-fap is pointless, I'm not convinced jerking it ever got in the way of a man having sex. I mean, being hornier can give you more of a push, but it's hardly necessary. The barriers to all this stuff are more psychological than anything.

>>22746736
Great post anon. I agree 100%.

>>22746736
Nobody gives a fuck about what you think

>>22746731
Bro there literally are step by step moves that dancers all memorize and repeat over and over. Your example is opposite of your intention unless you genuinely never saw a dancer dance. Look up ballet. There absolutely is a flowchart to it because dance is something people do, pua is not hence no chart or examples. If anyone has ever done it or learned anything, they'd have written it out, they'd describe those lessons of what they say or talk about. There aren't because people do not do that. There is no learning by doing in dancing, you just repeat series of moves someone outlined. You cannot learn something that no one does and cannot be done like pua. You're just stuck in the second phase of pua posting where you get upset about someone pointing out there is no records of it ever happening.

The lack of written out examples is a proof that either no one in human history has done it or that there are no lessons there or both.

>>22746736
With all due respect I just don’t think that is right to say. Experiencing love and cultivating a stable mind through meditation or other mental techniques absolutely does make you more generally compassionate outside the practice of it.I don’t know what more to say it’s something you just need to experience.

Since the mind is the Way by which we experience reality, it is really not so much as the action, but rather the mindset that is cultivated during it. Obviously, we need supports and what not to generally guide it, but I think many people drastically over represent the importance of physical circumstances
As Milton said the mind can make a hell out of heaven, or a heaven out of hell

>>22746755
It does help with real sex. You can fap sometimes but doing it a lot makes sex worse.

>>22746811
But I have literally seen people learn moves simply from watching someone do them on the dance floor. They didn't have them broken down step by step.

Hell man, for any field of human endeavor there isn't a step-by-step guide like that. Even something like software development, what I do for a living, is very free flowing when you get down to it. You have to fill in lots of blanks all by yourself, without recourse to a predigested strategy.

You need to leave your room and scrape your knees friend.

>>22746822
How do you manifest compassion in the world?

>>22747010
I worked with disabled seniors for a year, you should give a job like that a try and find the light inside you while you're at it.

>>22746811
Dude there literally are step by step explanations for nearly every human endeavor. Baking dancing working out etc everything people do have step by step. Pua doesn't because no one does it, if someone did it there would be descriptions of it in great detail just like everything else on the planet. You need to do literally anything other than pasting the pua defence comments. Every dance you can imagine has step by step, literally step by step guides on YouTube. No one did pua which is why there are no such resources on it. You're just doing the pua defence spam which is just continuously proving your point null. If there were lessons or experience involved someone would have written all of it out already. No one did because knee scraping just proves pua is fake and that's why there are no resources on it which involved speech with women.

>>22747071
Meant for >>22747003

There is no human endeavor which doesn't include step by step detailed descriptions. Lack of them for pua is a proof it's not one aka it doesn't ever happen.

>>22747050
I give 10% of my income to charity and do volunteer work with the homeless, both of which are going to be permanent fixtures in my life and not things I do for a year.

>>22747071
You aren't going to learn to dance by watching step by step videos on youtube, some people literally learn by going to the dance floor directly without taking any classes. You have to learn from the dance floor anyway, as it's pretty limiting to stick to the moves a class teaches you.

While you are wrong about human endeavor, there is one field about which you are particularly wrong: improv. There is some (minimal) structure to it, but that's it, made up on the spot other than the starter, and sometimes, there isn't even a starter and it's all made up.

Now I guess you're going to say improv is all fake because there is no step-by-step breakdown for it, when you could literally sign up for an improv class and find out for yourself the beauty of making shit up on the spot with no script.

>>22746185
desu I actually know of a pua guy that has dialogues with women written. Derek Rake. Used to listen to his stuff for a little while.

His shtick is basically manipulative and abusive cult building stuff but branded as pua, which is why I didn't really dismiss him like most other pua hucksters

That all said his shit seems kinda intermediate level, like if you cannot say hi to a girl without tripping over your feet I don't think you could start with him. More for betas who are failing to keep a woman interested long enough to reach seggs or keep a relationship, rather than 4chan spergs who haven't talked to a woman in a year and have never been to a club.
His lines are sometimes these long stories and monologues, where if you are not really good at speaking I can't imagine anyone ever delivering them in an attractive rather than creepy manner. And even then...
They're kinda along the lines of what Travis said to pick up Betsy in Taxi Driver, for reference. And it can really be a full dialogue. Well I dunno, it was about 3 years ago I listened to it so maybe I'm remembering wrong. And also that's just my own perspective, I'm no expert on talking to women. If someone said that stuff to me alarm bells would be going off, but maybe it's not creepy at all to them and just intriguing.

But anyway there was a lot of logic behind what he was saying sometimes. Stuff that made me realize what it was that caused me to mess up in the past, and what it was that caused me to have some degree of success when it had previously just seemed random to me at the time.

I have all his stuff in a mega somewhere I'll share it. Though I doubt anyone will be interested

>>22747214
Bwahahaha... yeah because clicking on a money transfer is as compassionate as 24/7 care for two disabled seniors every other weekend for a fucking year.

Kill yourself faggot.