/lit/ - Literature

FIRST FOR CULTIVATION SHITBIRDS OUT!

Bakker is KING.

How do I fill the void RI left behind?

>>22729911
non-fiction fag here, gonna start reading this.

>>22730034
read it again

FIRST FOR COOMER GARBAGE OUT!

>>22730034
read a book you insipid chink brain

>>22730034
8 inch black dick

>>22730064
>read a book you insipid chink brain

>>22730034
Write fan fiction based in that universe.

Finally read it, pretty good but whoever said this was cyberpunk is a complete moron.

>>22730040
Enjoy it, man.

>>22730253
I really enjoyed Schismatrix like 10 years ago. Neuromancer was cool too. I might try more of the cyberpunk, like Snow Crash now.

>>22730341
Yeah I might read Shismatrix someday as well. Snow Crash is pretty funny at times, overall very enjoyable. If you can get it (at least the modern UK reprint), Dr. Adder by Jeter is also pretty good.

>last
>current
>next

Finished The Fifth Head of Cerberus. It was weird and a bit confusing, but enjoyable still. I'm planning to read Book of the New Sun but right now I'm not into the mood for big and lengthy stories.
Currently I'm reading nothing. Well, I'm reading erotica VNs, but it doesn't really count
Next is BOTNS and Sanso slop

>>22730382
>Dr. Adder by Jeter
just quickly checked the first two reviews at goodreads and I found this:
>IF you can look past the poor storytelling and extreme grotesqueries and misogyny there are some interesting early cyberpunk elements at play here.

So yeah, sounds like I should read it.

>currency system is 100 copper coins equal 1 silver coin, 100 silver coins equal 1 gold coin, 100 gold coins equal 1 platinum coin

>>22730577
Better than this
https://lordofthemysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Currency

>>22730577
>currency system is the half cent and cent were made of pure copper, the half dime, dime, quarter, half, and dollar in 90% silver, and the quarter, half and full eagle in .9167 gold (later changed to .8992 in 1834, and then 90% gold in 1837).

>>22729911
Neverness, A Requiem for Homo Sapiens #0 - David Zindell (1988)

Mallory Ringess's graduation from journeyman to pilot is upon him. He has sworn to discover the secrets of the Solid State Entity. Many of the greatest pilots in the Order's nearly three millennia history have been lost to the nebula where the Solid State Entity resides. Neverness is on the planet Icefall, which is located in the densest thickspace known, as it has billions of connections to the manifold. Faster-than-light travel is made possible through continually solving mathematical equations that allow for a one-to-one mapping between stars. However, there are mysteries far closer as well. The secrets of those who genetically engineered themselves to live a primitive life as Neanderthals may prove equally useful in determining the meaning of life and the secret to immortality.

Thematically, the closest book I've to read to this would be The God Emperor of Dune, though Wolfe's influence is also evident. The vast majority is philosophizing about metaphysics in some way or another. Primarily there are discussions and monologues about existential topics. Why does anything exist at all? Who am I? What is meaning? How ought life be lived? Does free will exist? What is the fate of humanity? Questions abound and most of the events of the book attempt to answer them. Each of the characters have their own answers and change according to them. I found the character development to be peculiar in that they struggle towards insight then have an epiphany or some extraordinary event occurs and they become rather different. This happens multiple times. It's sort of like if Kuhn's paradigm shift was applied to character development. There's also a lot of sex, a whole lot of sex. Quite possibly an absurd amount of sex, including incest, though it's mostly told rather than shown.

Although there eighty-six civilized human planets, a multitude of alien species, a considerable amount of space travel, and even space battles, I don't consider the focus of this to be the space opera. The focus is on experience. The Order wants it to be about quests that allow for a greater understanding of the manifold and the universe in general, but it turns out to be much more about self-discovery and coming into one's own. By the end, Mallory is much more than what he began as, in every way. The climax is detailing the proof to a mathematical theorem, that's the kind of book it is. It serves a functional purpose, but honestly they're more excited about having solved it.

I was amazed by the first quarter of the book and less so by the next quarter as it becomes a very different story, at least in terms of its setting. The third quarter goes the hardest on the metaphysics and the last quarter is the most action oriented, though it still has many digressions. I'm impressed that this was Zindell's debut novel and I will definitely read the rest of this series.

Rating: 4/5

>>22730690
Your """reviews""" are SHIT. fuck off

>>22730439
Previously
>Dawn of The Void
Presently
>The Olympian Affair
Potentially
>???

>>22730807
>t. Brown ESL

>>22730034
>literal bugman literature.

A female friend talked me into reading this. What am I in for?

>>22730874
Romance for women with sexy and steamy sex scenes with the hottest men that a disabled woman, the author's self-insert, could ever imagine having at a dragonrider academy. The fantasy is decorative. Contemporary language and social media memes are everywhere. It's the premier TikTok book currently.

At least that's what I've read about it in interviews.

>>22730439
>last
Traitor by Anthony Ryan
>current
Warded Man, by Peter V. Brett
>next
Not sure, this is the last book from the stack I've had on my nightstand for the last few months. Going to hit up a book store and see what grabs my eye.

>>22730577
So Terraria then

>>22730690
>Reword the book's blurb
>I liked this bit and didn't like this other bit
Holy fuck you NEED to stop posting these shitty reviews.

>>22730948
What did I like and dislike aside from what I wrote in the last paragraph about the first and second quarter? Seems more like describing the book than like/dislike to me.

>>22730874
Abusive romance that gets mistaken for love but everyone likes it anyway. Imagine James Cameron's Avatar meets Eragon but with a lot of sexual tension.

>>22730690
Keep writing the reviews, ignore the fags here. I am glad somebody contributes with something more than shitposts.

Based on this, I will actually read the book.

>>22730963
Why do you give a rating then?

>>22731113
Convenience and compression. That way I and others can use "sort by star rating" on Goodreads. This allows for having a general idea of how much I enjoyed what I read before committing to reading what I read. I don't expect in the slightest that I would, let alone others, read what I've written on there at random when trying to find something they may enjoy. I don't believe there to be any significant downside to including it other than remarks and questions such as yours.

>>22731138
In this thread it functions as a tl;dr, which is why it's at the end rather than the beginning.

I really like science fiction, but I find fantasy SO gay. So fucking gay. But I want to read a good one, I want to like it. Are there any serious fantasy series for actual adult men? Preferably not made by "woman" not faggots (excluding game of thrones and the Witcher)

>>22731190
What makes something "serious" and what makes it for "actual adult men"?

>>22731199
That's is like asking what makes a person white.

>>22731222
Some people here have very strong opinions and very particular things that do.

>>22731190
You'd need to list off sci fi shit you like so that people can recommend comparable fantasy stuff.

Is the Chronicles of Corum good? Was about to read knight-wizard then realized it's basically western Isekai so I was turned off.
>>22731190
Check book of the new sun and Malazan. Malazan is 50-50 fitting what you want.

>>22731190
What are examples of fantasy you've disliked?

>>22731271
>Is the Chronicles of Corum good
Yes but moorcock has a specific character archetype that once you read a few they just blend into one another

>>22730040

you really should not

>>22731190
Reverend Insanity.

Picked up The Zap Gun recently where would more experienced PKD readers rank it among his oeuvre. I've read the big named classics like Scanner Darkly, Electric Sheep, and The Man in the High Castle, so now I'm makin my way through his lesser known titles and short stories.

>>22731582
>The Man in the High Castle
One of pkd worst novels desuuuuuu

The schlock train continues with pic related!

>>22731640
My every instinct is telling me to insult you for reading something with a cover as retarded as that

>>22731640
Im not sure even Baen would publish a US Marine Dwarf combo cover

>>22731640
Fuck it, I'll read it.

>in barnes and noble today
>see pic related already 30% off
Butcherbros...

>>22731698
Except that cover is pure kino.
>>22731768
Baen are pussies then.
>>22731800
Based.

>>22731854
im mid way through and it comes across as pride and prejudice glove slapping tier with a sprinkling of airships. Honestly the only redeeming feature is the cat society.
>Jim Butcher and Matt Dinniman went to the same writing school.

>>22731912
The first half of the book is really slow but the second half is great. No idea what he was thinking starting it with so much setup after already waiting almost a decade for it.

>>22731912
>only 19 chapters of DCC7 currently out
:C

>>22731927
I really should not have expected otherwise from him as its his formulae for how he writes the dresden files semi-recent offerings.
>Scene set
>Recap
>Recap
>Story progression
>Finale with loose ends.
60% waste of a book, however Its a wonder it isnt 60% off when looked at in those terms.

>>22730064
I'm finishing Three Hearts And Three Lions but it's not the same

Bobby Dollar or Dresden files for an Urban fantasy? Can't make up my mind.

>>22732235
Does urban fantasy have to be modern or not? I've heard conflicting things.

Just read Asimov's Caves of Steel - I would give it 6/10 - enjoyable easy quick read.

and Pebble in the Sky - I enjoyed it much more because of the setting, 9/10, I can recommended it, also a quick read.

As always, brainlet reviewers say these books contain "not enough women characters", therefore it is a sexist piece, but that's just something to laugh at.

>>22732235
Nightside by Simon Green

Verbose bordering on irritating, but playful and well-written thus far.

>>22730577
In the system I'm writing the more currency you have the less value each coin is worth. So 1 copper is worth more than 100 platinum. There's a specific reason for that.

>>22731582
Read the Zap Gun four months ago. It’s definitely more “basic” than something like Ubik, but it has some interesting concepts. And the main character is pretty cool.

>>22732260
>thus far

>>22732121
>Its a wonder it isnt 60% off when looked at in those terms.
At this rate I wouldn't be surprised to see a table with it at 50% soon. The cover certainly doesn't do it any favors even with good visibility on the sff shelf.

>>22732303
>t.me/brown_man

I liked these more than Dresden ngl

>>22732314
Good shit. I felt it could have done with a touch more "pokemon" with the furies though. As it is they become standard elemental magic pretty quickly. Butcher said he might write a sequel series one day but I'd rather see a prequel series with all the different races the Alerans fought off at the beginning.

>>22732255

Did thought it was pretty funny how in one of the Foundation books the perverted old scholar wound up getting a younger robot waifu could only focus on how great her tits and ass were but that's what I love about Isaac Asssimov.

Not sure whether I should make Naked Sun or The Stars Like Dust my next read by him. I want to read Caves of Steel though since I think it's one of the bigger ones I haven't gotten round too yet.

>>22732346
I only read I Robot, Caves and Pebble so far.

Caves of Steel is a nice detective story in a bit of a dystopian society - but funnily, Asimov suffered claustrophilia - he enjoyed small confined spaces which had a direct impact on that book and some others of his. The Cities described in the novel are disgusting in my eyes but in Asimov's it was probably pretty nice, kek.

>It gets good three books in, trust me
Post examples of Stockholm Syndrome series.

>>22732501

Finally got around to reading this today after someone posted it a week or so ago. Real short ( about a 100 something pages) story about a heist. If you like sword and sorcery I think you should give this a chance. That said, I must warn you the prose can get quite flowery at times, and the author uses some ridiculous terms that don't really add anything (good that is). A few that come to mind are the following

adumbrations
sanguine effulgence lol
agglutination
fuliginous
enubilating

And many more. Personally, my favorite chapters were the first two. They were the best Robert E. Howard 'pastiche' I've read in what feels like forever.

>>22732510

Listening to The Narrow Road Between Desires. He rereleased a book and the only changes he made so far are Bast fucks a dude instead of a girl, and some sentence about a village girl picking her gender and drinking trans tea. I hate myself for listening to this, at least I pirated it.

>>22732523
>he doesn't like enubilating prose

>>22732314
I don't understand how people keep writing these ridiculous tomes and people keep reading them. Even worse, they're always in a series. For fuck's sake, your fantasy novel/series does not deserve so many damn words. I swear they do this shit just so they look good on shelves. A fantasy novel should be no more than around 300 pages long, and ideally standalone.

>>22732540
What are your favorite fantasy books that meet your requirements?

>>22732531
Fuliginous roguery, I say.

>>22732540
At a point it stops being about quality and starts being about familiarity. "I wonder what my favorite characters will get up to this time."

>>22732527
which character even is that meant to be anyhow? Matt? Perin? Nynaeve?

>>22732523
All true S&S chads love purple prose.
Even REH himself was accused of purple prosery in his day.

>>22730154
I looks like this and say this

>>22732598
>All true S&S chads love purple prose
As do I which is why I made note of it. I'm a poetry fag, and even I had to roll my eyes at certain points. Really, it's nothing more than a warning for those who may not have as high a tolerance for that kind of stuff.

>>22732540
>people keep writing these
those books are 20 years old

>>22732598
>>22732624
Also I'm the anon who rec'd that book. And that author has some short stories in this free online S&S magazine that are also good.
https://whetstonemag.blogspot.com/

>>22732598
Vance is the true master of the Lexicon when it comes to stupid words. But his writing is full of humour so it kind of adds to the surreal, dare I say, 'vibe'

i recently finished the last of the alastor books by vance, wyst, and with that i think i have covered most of this works, trullion, though, the first book of the alastor series is the most comfy work that i have read by vance, in stories where the setting is mostly confined to one place

there are others matching that level of comfyness, such as araminta station and emphyrio, but trullion has its own distinctive charm that i found to be the most alluring, in terms of overall comfort level, the overall setting, the languid, country life and the bouts of hussade; the duology ports of call and lurulu would rank the highest, with the ending of lurulu to be the most poignant closure to the entire works of vance, fittingly as it was his last book

>>22732681
Trullion is definitely the standout of the three, although I'm quite found of Marune as well

>>22732544
Off the top of my head...
>>Fritz Leiber, Karl Edward Wagner, William Morris, George Macdonald, Dunsany, Darrell Schweitzer
Most Gemmell and Prachett novels also fit. I can already hear some dumbass yelling at the top of his lungs, "But they're part of a series!" You can read them as standalones and be perfectly fine. Just because they have connections to other books does not mean they must be read in chronological order, nor in publication order, but you can read them in any order you like. No different from picking a Conan or Solomon Kane story at random and just sitting down and enjoying it.
>>Smith, Lovecraft, Poe, Howard, Vance
All of these guys wrote stuff well under my ~300 page limit, yet their stories are much more dense and enjoyable than practically all of the longer fantasy novels/series.
>>22732548
I think it's great if an author can create characters that make me want to read more just so I can "be" with them for a little while longer. I just don't think massive series are the best format.
>>22732630
It's been a problem longer than that and still persists to this day. The fact that series like The Wandering Inn exist and people look at its massive word count and actually think it's a good thing is not a good sign. If you'd spend a single second looking at fantasy published in the past 50 years, you'd already be overwhelmed by all the series. Narrow that range to the last 20 years, then to the last 10, now to 5, you get it. It's shit and you know it. What's really funny is how people will look back at old novels where the author was paid by the word and scoff at them, but then pick up a fantasy series of 5+ entries where each book is over 500 pages long, none of which are justified in being that long.

>>22732681
I've always meant to read his science-fiction. His fantasy is among the best shit written in the genre. I'm not a big sci-fi guy, but I love Dying Earth and Lyonesse so much I'd go through the rest of his work just cause I'm such a fan of those.

I just read Limbo by Bernard Wolfe. It was written in 1951 and I'd rate it as better than the canonical great dystopian novels of the 20th century like Nineteen Eighty-Four, Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451. It's about brain surgeon who deserted during WW3 in 1972 and has been living on an uncharted island for the last eighteen years as a lobotomist to the natives. He returns to what remains of the USA to find that people have started voluntarily amputating their limbs and replacing them with high tech prosthetics to prove their commitment to pacifism but the short supply of the metal needed to make the prosthetic limbs is leading to another war. It's a black comedy about a man confronting his own neuroses in a world that has deliberately crippled itself out of fear.

>>22732726
he has a lot of unusual ideas with marune and wyst, marune with its cold and simultaneously debauchery filled atmosphere is one of his more non-vancian works imo, and the non-presence of hussade in an alastor story feels blasphemous

wyst was unusual in that a lot of story is concentrated in just place, the old pink, usually in his other stories, characters are quite mobile and it reminded me a bit of emphyrio in that sense, but still a far ways off trullion

>>22732749
his sci-fi is mostly space opera divided imo in the following categories:

1. dying earth in space series

a. planet of adventure, all 4 books - this one is the easiest transition to make from vancian fantasy to his sf, as it basically feels like a continuation of cugel's adventures but this time amidst alien species, weird human tribes and odd bits of technology not quite different from his travels in dying earth

b. emphyrio - pre stage dying earth like setting on an alien planet

c. short stories - the last castle and the dragon masters - recommend reading once you run out of his major works to read

2. travelogues with interesting observations and no serious plot

a. ports of call and lurulu - his last work, read at the end because the ending is a perfect sendoff to his works

b. the big planet and showboat world

3. stories rooted in one place

a. cadwall chronicles - araminta station is the best in this 3 book series, ecce and throy are a hit and miss

b. alastor cluster - trullion, one of my favourite works by vance, also has marune and wyst

4. stories with a focus on plot, lighter on observations

a. the demon princes - all books

b. the gray prince

>>22732745
Nice goalpost moving

>>22732745
Episodic and standalone aren't the same. That's like saying you can watch any random episode of a syndicated tv series that's 200 episodes and calling each one standalone while complaining about long running TV series.

>>22732548
>>22732540
A series like Codex Alera is hardly a good example of that. One story told over 6 books is fine. It's when the authors finish the story and then start a sequel saga years later and drag the story out that I have a problem with. I don't even blame them for the length of the books either. I doubt anyone but Sanderson is purposefully artificially inflating the length of the books. The others just do what feels right, or alternatively, what their publishers tell them to do.

>>22732749
>I'm not a big sci-fi guy
Vance's scifi is at the space fantasy end of the spectrum (with Asimov being at the far end), so if you dig his fantasy you'll probably like his scifi.

My personal pick for an entry point into his approach to scifi would be Emphyrio

>>22732841
Goalpost moving? I don't know if you're >>22732544 or not, but there were no goalposts to be moved in the first place. I was answering the question, retard. Those authors wrote books that fit my requirements. Suck my balls.
>>22732869
>Episodic and standalone aren't the same
I never said they were.
>That's like saying you can watch any random episode of a syndicated tv series that's 200 episodes and calling each one standalone while complaining about long running TV series.
It's literally not like that at all. I can watch any fucking episode of the original Scooby-Doo or Lupin the III, King of the Hill, Gilligan's Island, X-Files, whatever, and still enjoy it without having watched all the episodes prior to it. Each episode in relation to another practically just serve as paratexts. You're not this stupid, anon. You know this. At least come up with a better analogy, because yours has nothing to do with what I was saying.

>>22732883
This, i hate dresden and the clones it spawned but codex alera it's actually good, it's original but at the same time feels very old school like Riftwar, Belgariad, Dragonlance etc.

>>22732895
What's the difference between episodic and standalone then?

>>22732911
If you really wanted an answer you would google it. The difference between episodic and standalone media was never the focus of what I was saying, but now you're just bringing it up since you want to score an imaginary slam-dunk on me because you disagree with my view on the optimal length of fantasy novels. What a puny little faggot. Let me redirect you to a post that you're deliberately ignoring which should clear up some of your misunderstandings. >>22732540 Hint: The word "ideally" doesn't mean "necessarily".

>latest chapter in TWI out
oh god I'm gonna cum
and cry because I'll have to find something else to read and nothing really compares to this. pirate is a fucking machine

>>22732992
t. chinkbot

>>22733004
chinese don't read twi do they?
also fuck you its great

>>22732745
>Fritz Leiber, Karl Edward Wagner, William Morris, George Macdonald, Dunsany, Darrell Schweitzer
You have the exact same taste as me. Absolute Patrician. It's a shame that such a young and promising genre as fantasy has been reduced to huge 10 book series and webnovel trasb

>>22732991
I wasn't asking for someone else's definition. I was asking for your personal definition. Also, a lot of those aren't within that length. It's just that you won't admit that it's whatever you want to believe it to be rather than admitting you're wrong. Those aren't standalone and many aren't that length.

Bit of a weird ask but are there any decent fantasy books out there that has some good hero/villain romance going on? I'm not big on romance but I enjoy that. Not in a "hero redeems villain through love" kinda schlock, but more just two opposing characters who clearly hate each other and sort of begrudgingly develop feelings for one another as it goes on. Any fantasy books with it in? I know it's a shot in the dark but I figured I might as well ask.

>>22733022
It's the exact same taste because you're the same anon. Though, according to him the series length doesn't matter. It's the individual book length and their relation to each other.

>>22733038
That's called "enemies to lovers". It's extremely popular in women's fanfiction and fiction for women in general.

>>22733045
Yeah it is I suppose, but most of it is angsty shit or the whole "I can see the good in you" crap. That's not for me. My autistic mind is only after one specific niche and that can best be described as "hatefucking" I suppose. I only really like it when they're very hostile towards each other and there's that underlying tension. dumb I know, but eh, I like what I like.

>>22732818
S tier
Cugel Saga

A tier
Emphyrio
Trullion
Last Castle
Araminta Station
Rhialto

B tier
Dying Earth short stories
Durdane (Faceless Man)
Planet of Adventure
Dragon Masters
Ports of Call

C tier
Big Planet
Demon Princes

D tier
Magnus Ridolph
To Live Forever

Anything not listed I either haven't read or don't remember.

>>22733038
i know one but there's no development of feelings, even though it's written by a woman and has subtle yaoiism

>>22733067
Pretty solid list, I would personally prefer ports of call/ lurulu in A tier but other than that looks about right

>>22733037
I don't know why the hell you're even talking about standalones and episodic TV series with such vigor. We were talking about fantasy novel length, never about anything else. If you're confused about what I said about how you can read most Gemmell and Pratchett books "as standalones", then you're either an ESL or just acting retarded on purpose. Saying that you can read them "as standalones" does not mean I'm literally calling them standalones. I can use a broom "as" an arm to reach something that fell and rolled under my bed and not go around saying it's literally an arm. As for what you said about length...
>>Phantastes
212 pg.
>>Morningstar
337 pg.
>>Mort
243 pg.
>>Night Winds
286 pg.
>>Conjure Wife
188 pg.
>>The Wood Beyond the World
118 pg.
>>The King of Elfland's Daughter
240 pg.
>>We Are All Legends
193 pg.
>>The City of the Singing Flame
240 pg. (short story collection)
>>The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath
144 pg.
>>MS. Found in a Bottle
10 pg.
>>People of the Black Circle
76 pg.
>>The Dying Earth
156 pg.
>>The Color of Magic
228 pg.
>>Equal Rites
240 pg.
>>The Light Fantastic
277 pg.
>>Wyrd Sisters
265 pg.
>>Reaper Man
289 pg.
>>Sourcery
276 pg.
>>Pyramids
341 pg.
>>Eric
197 pg.
>>Maskerade
285 pg.
>>Legend
345 pg.
>>Waylander
310 pg.
>>In the Realm of the Wolf
306 pg.
>>Winter Warriors
339 pg.
>>Quest for Lost Heroes
291 pg.
>>Knights of Dark Renown
311 pg.

All would be shorter if you cut out the introductions and the like, of course. What else do you want?
>It's just that you won't admit that it's whatever you want to believe it to be rather than admitting you're wrong
If it's whatever I want to believe it to be, then how could I be wrong?

>>22732510
it's nice anime schlock the first volume, then it gets progressively worse
nobody claims it gets better

>>22733067
Big Planet is definitely B tier and the Dying Earth short stories I’d rate as A. Otherwise, sounds right.

>>22733155
Anything can be a standalone by that definition. The majority of people only read the first book of series and never continue for most series. One extreme example is Dune. Most only ever read the first book. Does that qualify it then? "as a standalone" would seem so. If that's the case, then it's rather meaningless.

>>22733191
but book 1 is no where near the peak in quality or animeness. why speak on things of which you have no knowledge?

I’ve read all the noteworthy series.

Still put The Wheel of Time at the top. Malazan at the bottom.

Recently picked up Casca: The Eternal Mercenary. Sort reads, hockey writing, but enjoyable.

>>22733213
which one volume is the best, according to you?
I dropped it at fourth or fifth volume and people generally agree that it's a slog after the first few volumes

>>22733252
Why dont you like malazan?

>>22733271
nah the general agreement is that the series increases in quality every book for 1-6
7-9 are much slower
10 is trash
then it goes back to okay for the end. the last book before sanderson takes over is actually pretty good if i'm remembering it correctly.
the "slog" is from when the author was sick and it was years between each slow book. now it just refers to books 7-10 having some of the worst parts of the series but it does have some good bits in there. i think people generally say 6 is the best but i remember liking 4 the most. at least this if from people who like the series. i'm not sure if people who hated it have a different general perception

>>22733295
I think the writing is poor. The story is shitty. The characters are not interesting.

It always felt like ‘This is new character X. He/She is stronger, faster, and better than previous character. And repeat that for every new character or situation.

Chain of dogs was ok. As well as the book with the Zerg like fanatics. But overall, there are so many better books out there

>>22733310
I liked the first one, even if it was basically a battle harem anime.

>>22732305
True, looks like its ripped from a YA romance cover.
>>22732314
>Bretter than Dresden
Not initially but certainly miles ahead of its most recent additions, kinda dragged in the middle though.

recs with this vibe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nVG2fgmpMs

>>22733650
Lord of the Mysteries of course

>>22731057
It's always nice to be useful in helping others find books they may enjoy reading. When I see in my Goodreads activity feed that someone that someone has added a book to read or has started reading a book I just wrote about, I can't help but feel pleased.

>>22730690
thank you for these. I disagree with these numbnuts. keep doing them.

>>22730589
No, it's not better, because this is how currency systems actually worked when they had to factor in the market values of the metals used.

>>22732279
>the more money you have the less money you have
Nobody will accept money for things then, retard.

>>22732346
>great her tits and ass were
Her ass was massive but here tits were meh. This was the major point of contention with the politician chad.

>>22733354
huh maybe I should read wheel of time

Halfway through this, and I would give it a 2.5-3/5
It's not bad, but the characters don't really hit for me. Honestly speaking, I can't wait for all of them to die.
So far, my kill list goes like this:
Faggot priest > Thomas > Delphine
The real selling point of this novel, and why I didn't give it an outright 2, is because of the atmosphere, because damn is it good. Too bad the Author fucked everything else up.

>>22732346
It makes sense to read the Robot novels in order.

>>22733852
fair. viewed through a lens of monster of the week manga it becomes 4/5 for me. its just berserk. the imagined "visuals" are what make it good.

Have any of you read the Hammer and the Cross?

Joe Abercrombie or Mark Lawrence? Thinking of starting on one of them.

Any Malazan readers here? Are the Ian C Esselmont books important for a first time read or should I not bother with them??

>>22731199
>>22731237
>>22731313
>>(etc)
you are right, I should have been more specific. I am looking for fantasy with violence, sex, betrayal and alliances. if such exists, i also want it to have graphical DETAILED rape.

>tfw only now made the Sodom&Gomorrah salt pillar/Chorae connection
bravo, Bakker

>>22733991
haven't read Lawrence, but i hear he's a tryhard edgelord. Joe has a similar rep, but i feel like it's undeserved and he's pretty sincere. anyway, when i was reading The First Law for the first time i was convinced that it's the best thing in modern fantasy, so make of that what you will

>>22733991
Neither is for me but Joe softens his edge with a sense of humor.

>>22733898
No, but if it's like HH's other novels it's strong on prose but fails to deliver on the ending.

>program to introduce aliens into human society
>pair bnuy alien with middle-age human for 4 months
>time skip 3 of these months
>halfway through the book the human mc gets nearly killed
>because he is important, they decide to transfer his consciousness into a bnuy boy
>instead of having a interspecies relationship with bnuy girl I got relationship between 2 furries
you can't make this ship up
this is even worst than turning a monster girl into a human female

>>22732346
Do yourself a favour and stop reading the robot novels after the naked sun, I deeply, deeply regret reading the other two.

Are there any books with something like fantasy Byzantium?

>>22734884
I haven't read this yet, but it's on my list. It may or may not have what you're looking for.

>>22734884
Bakker.

>>22734903
Is kino, but I already read all of it.

>>22734118
>when i was reading The First Law for the first time i was convinced that it's the best thing in modern fantasy
haha lol! You got me anon

>>22734072
The Second Apocalypse by Bakker, now fuck off.

>>22733852
>the reason for the heroic portrail of jews in this book has nothing to do with the fact i'm jewish myself.
>forgive your cheating , back stabing wife. it's ' what god wants'

>>22735372
So anons have been reading zogslop?
Sad!

>>22735392
I have been reading Bakker!

huh, i'm starting to wonder if Bloody Anne is his second (proceeds to give me exposition about things from the past)

is there more to this?

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

>>22733834
It makes sense because of another factor about the currency.

>>22733834
they would just give money to the customer
but why not just throw the money away? another litrpg "System" Durant allow them to?

Infinite Realm is in a fun spot now. I hope Ryun shits all over the Unchained and does anything to the yeti.

>>22732992
Finally
Feels like this Volume has been kinda dripfed to us + I feel like the story's been kinda slow since Erin came back to life, like, looking back on this whole Volume, not that many big events happened
Can't wait for Volume 10 exploration kino, the Horns venturing into the Crossroads is looking so good

>>22735768
>it makes sense
There is no way for it to make sense, sorry. Currency must form a vector space to serve as a medium of exchange. Anything else is either exploitable through infinite money glitches or flat out nonsensical like what you propose.

If the marginal utility of accepting a unit of currency is negative simply by itself, nobody will ever accept it in exchange for a positively-valued asset of a different kind.

I suggest you pick up an econ 101 textbook before trying to design fancy economic systems.

>>22735792
Write down what you mean on paper and work out the utility of each action for each participant rather than trying to bullshit your way through. For economics to work you can't assume people will freely, knowingly and deliberately make choices that actively impoverish them.

>>22732279
>I have 1 copper
> I trade you my 1 copper for all of your currency
>repeat until you have all the currency
Such is the power of them not knowing how much currency I have and only ever carrying around 1 copper on

>>22730040
The book starts out really good with the Cruciform but quickly becomes really boring with an over the top invincible villain who tortures people for eternity... but it's a simulation not real... and the villain is an evil God sent back from the future.

>>22733991
I rather like Mark Lawrence. His debut trilogy, Broken Empire has a notoriously edgy protagonist but pretty much everything he's written after it has been a lot more chill. I can't really talk about what I like best about him since it's fun to figure it out for yourself.

As for Abercrombie, I don't care for him, and his popularity on this board mystifies me. He's a complete hack.

>>22733191
>it's nice anime schlock the first volume, then it gets progressively worse
I have literally never heard anybody espouse this opinion of WoT before. Book 1 is more like a filter that people have to get past in order to start the real Wheel of time, with books 2-6 being the best part of the series, then 7-10 being a progressively slower and slower slog, with 11 finally starting to get good again, but then he died, so Sanderson took over for the last 3 books, and opinions on those are bitterly divided.

>fall for the Prince of Nothing meme and buy The Darkness That Comes Before
>prologue opens with child rape
>one of the main sympathetic hero characters is an implied pederast
What have I done...

>>22736445
You're in a for a fun ride.

>>22736325
Why do you think he's a hack?

>>22736266
based spoilerfag

>>22736570
He barely even tries with his story or his setting, it just feels appallingly lazy. It's like epic fantasy written by a dudebro, you can literally feel how little of a shit he gave about any of the crap he was writing, like he was writing it ironically, and it pisses me off.

>>22736704
I dropped book 2 when torture became a magical way to gain 100% reliable information in less than an hour. The reality of the torture in book 1 was fine, I don't know why he changed it.

>>22736704
He literally wrote the first first law book without any idea of where he was going. Which is even more strange realizing nothing happens in the first book.

>>22736340
You have to remember that the series is incredibly long so shitposters would rather misquote other people's reviews and say nonsense than read it themselves.

>>22736325
I'm a big fan of the First Law series but I made the dreadful mistake of reading his Shattered Sea trilogy which was godawful.
I've also never been surprised by any of his twists or reveals. There's just something about them that makes them obvious hundreds of pages in advance

>>22732501
What's the reverse of this? Because loved the first 5 Malazan books but thought it fell off after.

I have been recently infected by a fascination with trains. Are there any fantasy books you've read which feature trains prominently as a setting or as a major part of the plot?

>>22736704
Thank you for voicing my exact feelings.

>>22736857
In his Age of Madness he says exactly how the trilogy ends at the very beginning of the first book. He says everything plainly well in advance, so there aren't really twists or reveals for those paying attention and not skim/speed reading.

>>22737055
Sando did this with Stormlight. Won't see how it's foreshadowed until another 20 years when the Sando-head-on-life-support churns out book 10.

>>22736864
The Dark Tower

>>22736868
Not trolling, but did the Hogwarts Express inspire some kind of "feels" within you? (when you were a kid, I guess)

>>22734884
Sailing to Sarantium by Guy Gavriel Kay.

>>22732501
Probably not an example your asking about,
but I almost dropped Warrior Prophet. The Holy War somehow felt both rushed and a slog to read through. Mostly the tease of the Consult kept me going.

>>22737159
I thought the Hogwarts Express was cool, but I never really paid it much attention as a kid because nothing really happened on there.

>>22729911
I just finished Man in the High Tower and I don't get it. It ended way too abruptly. I thought they were going to find a way to get to the real universe.
WTF is it about? I feel like something BIG just went over my head.

>>22737244
>I feel like something BIG just went over my head.
>>22730154

>>22737244
it's just scenes of people in an alternate universe where the nazis won thinking about alternative unvierses where the nazis didn't win

>>22737159
The Polar Express is what did it for me.

I dunno where to post this, but the hardcover copy of Lapvona is 77% off on Amazon right now. Super cheap.

>able to read almost anything and everything for free by downloading it off 7Lib/Libgen, available within seconds
>able to read said material without the "sunk-cost" mindset due to not having to pay for it
>don't want to read anything and crippled by choice paralysis
It's so over.

Me like mutants

>>22732762
that wouldn't place an undue demand on metal

>>22734884
The Dragon Waiting.

Does anyone know a high fantasy novel where the protagonist is a commander, general, strategist, or something along those lines? I want battles that use strategy.

>>22730874
Death Flag Dylan

>>22730690
I have this book but haven't read it yet. I enjoy this Goodreads review of it.

>>22736857
>>22737055
It's not just Abercrombie, It's the zoomer fantasy syndrome, new readers need to be spoonfed EVERYTHING, that's why shit like Magic sistems exist because the average modern fantasy reader can't comprehend that some things can and should be mysterious, that's why readlets struggle so much with stuff like malazan when it's really not that hard to read but malazanfags like to scare people away from it. It's not a damn James Joyce novel, it's just that characters talk and think about the world they inhabit as if they actually live there, instead of explaining every little thing in their heads and sadly that's not common in modern fantasy where everyone talks like an npc with unlockable quests

i'm almost halfway through this bad larry and find it kind of boring
is the whole thing just long-winded explanations of research processes and arguments about how to interpret the evidence?

>>22738241
see, this is why that guy's reviews are SHIT, he didn't see fit to mention any of this? This is critical information.

>>22738660
I don't have any interest in catering to your personal preferences. That guy is also clearly overly sensitive to such matters and wants to tell it in his own way which isn't entirely accurate. It's simply not how I want to write it or what I found most relevant.

>>22737752
>crippled by choice paralysis
No such thing. Just pick a book from your collection at random and read, idiot.

What are some of the most important parts of a fantasy book that decide whether you like it or not?
For me I just fucking hate when an author slings around a ton of location names to try and half assedly sound whimsical. "Bort from the whispering hinterland in skrinkledonk, the savage rapewilds!" Shut the fuck up.

>>22738780
If an author starts actively trying to subvert fantasy tropes, then it's going to be a shit book as far as I'm concerned. I'll drop it then. Meta-Fiction is garbage.

>>22738126
Code geass

>>22738126
>AI Art

>>22738780
Whether it's pozzed or not.

>>22738826
not

>>22738126
Not him but bump for interest, the only thing similar to this I read was Malazan's Coltaine chapters but the rest was meh.

>>22738790
Subverting tropes isn't meta. Meta is when something becomes about itself. Most commonly this means it acknowledges that it's a fictional work in some way. The word you're looking for is "deconstruction".

>>22738826
gAI can't handle battle scenes.

>>22738008
It's a rare metal called columbium which is needed to insulate the atomic cores that power the prosthetics.

I love this book so much! It's China Mieville's first Science Fiction novel, but retains the wonderful elements of his previous fantasy work.
And how the language of the Alien race becomes clearer over time, until it clicks and you feel you understand it!

>>22738977
how many book award committees are staffed by members with the last name RAREMETAL-man?

>>22738780
Is the amount of locations the problem or the proximity in which the author divulges them?

>>22738906
Deconstruction is meta. Instead of writing a story just to write a story, the author is opening up the hood of the car and replacing parts for no other reason than that they are used a lot, meanwhile giving a wink to the audience via their character's dialogue each and every time a trope is subverted, like "this is not how I expected things to go at all", or "this isn't how it played out in legend", etc. These authors who make every effort to deconstruct their genres just cannot help themselves; they MUST break the third wall. A trope should not be "subverted", or at least not intentionally. Another path in storytelling should be taken because it's the best path for the story the author is trying to tell, not because it's unique and that's it. Rather than focusing simply on telling a good story, deconstructionists opt not to interact with genres in and of themselves, but with the way they are perceived by their fans, making their stories less about characters, plot, and theme, and more about the tropes than even the most trope-laden fantasy stories out there. Ironically, this makes deconstruction feel even more "railroaded" than it would otherwise.

>>22738998
Mr Rubin(stein)
Mr Gold(stein)
Mr Silver(stein)
Mr Diamond

>>22739035
>Mr Diamond
Is that a bond villain?

>>22738126
>>22738894
Traitor Son. The first couple books are really good, and don't devolve into bing bing wahoo magic-superhero slapfights like malazan.

>>22738983
Is this tankie worth reading?

>>22739185
close...

>>22739275
That's Vin Diesel. La familia was the tribe all along.

Who are the jews supposed to be? The dunyan, the scylvendi? Am I retarded?

>>22739366
The consult obv

>>22739366
wait there are jews? I need to unread it.

>>22739476
This guy >>22735687 seems to imply it but I'm having trouble pinning jews to any faction so it might just be a shitpost

>>22739519
The answer is obvious you're just too retarded to see it

>>22739527
the Consult are the bad guys acting behind the scenes, therefore the jews.
yeah, well that's all?

>>22739538
>yeah, well that's all?
yes

>>22732501
i think i never hated protagonist more then that running woman before this. I swear I am on latest tome to continue my suffering. I dont even know why I do this, mostly I skip chapters after few minutes

Nuclear Post-Apocalyptic Punk

Cutting-edge Sci Fi.

>>22739646
>USA Today Bestselling Author

>>22739651
>>22739646
Shill

>>22736868
>Are there any fantasy books you've read which feature trains prominently as a setting or as a major part of the plot?
Snowpiercer

>>22739646
This looks like it's intended on baiting and ripping off people who see the word Silo on there and think it's related to Hugo Howey's series.

>>22739703
Sometimes that's the best shit!

>>22739651
this looks AI generated

>>22739651
this looks like some stupid, amateur shit you'd find on Baen.

>>22733534
That top bun looks suspicious.

>>22734108
Well, it took me a couple of seconds to link your image to Sodom and Gomorrah, because I didn't read your text first and the castles led me astray.

Malazan's first book is borderline experimental and I'm starting to respect it for that. The characters and story are so obfuscated by unknowns at any given time that you interpret it primarily as a set of colocated nouns. This person is with these people, then they go to this city to be with these people, then these other people show up. On an on with that - everything else seems like irrelevant details placed there mainly to make the story resemble a book. Unfortunately I am beginning to think that the lack of any consistent protagonist is going to leave me too disinterested by the end of this book to see what happens in the next. But I do appreciate the complete disregard for the reader's understanding of character motivation or intent.

>>22740020
Calm down, tranny.

>>22740020
what's baen?

>>22740200
the absolute state of sffg

Worlds of Exile and Illusion (a compilation of the first three books: Rocannon’s World, Planet of Exile and City of Illusions)
The Left Hand of Darkness
The Dispossessed
The Word for World is Forest
The Telling
Four Ways to Forgiveness
Are these any good?
Amazon has a sale on the LoA edition

>>22740242
yes, don't listen to the chuds who hate le guin just because she was woman

>>22740194
he's not wrong you know

>>22740200
A publisher of mostly mediocre to poor quality military sci fi, but some here will defend Baen because some of their premier authors are vaguely conservative, though hardly Aryan chuds.

>>22740200
Publisher that triggers the trannies.

>>22740137
At least for me, a lot of the general confusion was gone by the time I finished part 2 since you've met all the major POVs at that point. There's still that residual "I don't know this proper noun" feeling present as you read (only on 3 myself) but once you accept that you'll learn everything in due time it makes connecting those dots extremely satisfying which I believe was the intent of Erikson. Stick with it, GotM's last 4th has a lot of plot lines converging on themselves and it gets pretty exciting.

ifw?

>>22729911
are even any good royal road stories rn

>>22736868

I need a good fantasy or sci-fi book that has good comraderie and sense of adventure.
I haven't read a fantasy or sci-fi book in a long time so if anyone has a good recommendations please help me out.

>>22740723
Anathem

How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>22738826
The equipment is all consistent with a single historical period and setting, and the men in the background are not merged with horses

Phantases was a lovely read. That ending was beautiful.
Where to next for MacDonald? Lilth?

>>22741005
just by the looks ogf him he seems like a faggot and put me off reading his slop.
but after watching an interview of him he seems like a cool guy with cool ideas. and i read and enjoyed his books

>>22739366
>the scylvendi
When were the jews ever a rowing horde of steppeniggers? Khazaria doesn't count, they judaized after settling and growing fat off trade.

>>22735236
thank you kind sir

>>22739366
How are the scylvendi in any way analogous to jews

>>22736266
finally a good take on this

Is it another Zombies, but in space, series?

This book is really good!
It's very similar to Postcyberpunk, but I couldn't remember what this genre was called.
Bacigalupi is one of the best sci fi authors working today!

Kim Stanley Robinson is also one of the best sci fi authors working today!

In the Red Mars trilogy, he explored the colonization of Mars.
In 2312, he introduced the colonization of the Solar System.
In Aurora, he proposed the spread of Humanity to other solar systems!

Neal Stephenson also made his mark on sci fi.

In Snow Crash, he predicted the next 20 years.
In The Diamond Age, he went 100 years out.
In Cryptonomicon, he knocked out the whole cryptocurrency thing in broad strokes!

>>22741730

there are zombies but corey eventually gets bored with them and rotates to space nazis and other devices. Its a thankless grind with exactly one enjoyable character (Avasarala) in nine entire books.

>>22741804
>one enjoyable character (Avasarala)
That shitty woman is literally the worst character

>>22741804
>>22742025
Dogshit taste matched with dogshit posts, fitting.

>>22741005
Won't be reading it, sorry

>>22741757
And with Seveneves he proved that he can sell a fart

>>22742099
Gotta love the market!

>>22742073
Sorry I offended you dogshit indian poo lover tastes.

>>22742118
>Literally the only non-psychopath non-autist character and also literally the only character with decent dialogues
>mad because she's """brown"""

Sci fi isn't for you. Find something else to do with your time.

>>22742118
Stick to shitRPGs and webchinkslop

>neither of them can stop bringing up shit

>>22742144
She is brown poojetta, it is yet another instance of n*ggers/browns in space. Why I don't tolerate this shit. Well that is simple, if browns wrote their fiction (just like chinks do) featuring browns in important positions then that is absolutely fine, I may even read it (just like I read chinkslop with predominantly yellow cast) but when a supposedly white author cannot write a single chapter without this progressive n*gs/browns in space garbage then I will call it out.

>>22742260
See
>>22742144

>>22742276
See >>22742260

>>22740492
this. retards have no problem shilling mediocrity.

>>22742260
women, blacks, asians, fags, and pajeets don't belong in science fiction. period.

>>22742432
Yeah tell that to the brown lovers in this thread.

>>22742432

Unfortunately for you science fiction is now and always has been progressive, egalitarian, and humanist. Chuds, orcs, zealots, and all forms of trad, rightoid and, reactionary are the enemy. Always have been, always will be.

Thinking about reading Tigana next. Never read anything by him before. Good starting point or is it a meme?

>>22742459
This is true, I didn't realize this when I was younger but pretty much all scifi is progressive goyslop. Except maybe some military scifi but even those have their issues.

>>22742480
Vance wrote fash scifi.

>>22742454
I did, and I'll say it again: You are not welcomed.

>>22742506
But I hate browns, anon.

>>22742465
I liked it a lot.

>>22742513
>t. brown ESL

I cannot find a hard copy of this enticing tome anywhere. Does anybody have a digital copy?

https://mitpress.mit.edu/9781907222467/tales-of-telguuth/

can someone please tell fantasy writers to stop fucking recycling shit
>oh but it's a queer feminist retelling of -
shut the FUCK up

>>22742459
Nice try, rabbi.

>>22742430
Tranny seething.

>>22742606
Isn't pic rel the same in paperback?

I wanna have SEX with Avasarala

>>22742788

Scifi started off being written by progressive British ruling class dudes (dating back before Verne and Tennyson etc) who, yes, have been friendly towards jewish people since at least Cromwell and more likely going all the way back to and before the Roman occupation -and who were/are instrumental in the long term success of the zionist revolution/occupation of palestine.

If the memes you want to spam boil down to "muh joos muh browns" you are in the wrong hobby because the entire Western literary tradition is piled up against you.

>>22736340
What are our opinions on the Sanderson volumes?

>>22742260
Touch grass, have sex and stop reading bakker chuddie

>>22742871
Nice try once again, rabbi.
>Aryan Chads conquering aliens is woke
lol nice try indeed.

>>22742922
After the tv show they don't seem so bad

>>22742260

>>22742465
I highly recommend this book. I read other GGK stuff before this, but I think this is a good starting point.

Post to take it over bump limit. I want to actually discuss something in the next thread

>>22742927

Your ignorance of history is total, I see. Stay an NPC but do so in silence in the future.

>>22742958
Too bad. This thread is for chuds and chodes to bicker back and forth about nonsense.

>>22742923
Kill all fags, n*ggers, trannys, browns homos, jews, coomers, liberals, progressives, feminists and roasties.

>>22742958
what?

>>22742981
The origins of science fiction and fantasy would seem to be on-topic for the science fiction & fantasy general. Not my fault it was all written by progressive British elites who's interests and foreign policy make chuds squeal like bleeding pigs.

>>22742966
You're the retard ignoring decades of sci-fi that was right-wing as fuck. So much so that leftards were literally complaining about how right-wing it was and decided to write their own pozzed sci-fi that was nowhere near as popular kek

>>22742958
newfags like you should all be gathered unto one raging bonfire

Who is the most likeable protagonist ever?

>>22743038
>Fantasy
>progressive
Loosen the noose around your neck, tranny. Heroic Fantasy is inherently conservative and has been for centuries.

>>22743038
Don't ever reply to me again.

>>22743054
>heroic fantasy

Ah, yes. There's so much posting itt about Homer and Beowulf etc..

>>22743051
Fang Yuan

>>22743046
>>22743054
You sound fat, when was the last time you talked irl with a other human being? Or you just jerk off to tranny porn 24/7 like most westfalen poltards?
>Heroic Fantasy is inherently conservative
Haha, sff is NOT your safe space chuddie

>>22743048
>RAHHHHH FUCKING NEWFAGS WANTING TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS SCI-FI AND FANTASY IN THE SCI-FI AND FANTASY THREAD UUUUURHH

>>22742260
>>22743046
>>22743054
What reading bakker does to a motherfucker

newfags don't discuss sff though. newfags "bump past post limit" so they can fill the next thread with their senseless newfag buzzwords as the kids argue with one another

Another one of those of days huh /sffg/?

>>22743090
You are just another pozzed tranny, go back to >>>/lgbt/

>avasarala is good dialogue
lol

>>22743114
Been one of these days since most of the 2010s.

>>22743114
>>22743123
/sffg/ hasn't been good since Sanderson was a recommended author here

I see someone made the mistake of mentioning a book popular enough that the whiner can pretend to have read it

I see someone made the mistake of mentioning a book popular enough that it can't be criticized

>>22743122
No, avasarala is good coom material

>>22743117
>He didn't reply to >>22743082
Touched a nerve there, bakkerincel?

>>22743071
Is anyone still writing and publishing heroic epic poetry like this? Would be nice to read some new stuff in verse even if just for the novelty of it.

>>22743181
That wasn't me (>>22743117), but I will reply.
I spoke to several people today at work. I have not jerked off for about a month now and I have never actually read bakker (those constant gay references really put me off reading him)

best fantasy with cooking/cuisine as a big part of it? i saw bookshops and bonedust today at the bookstore and on the back its sequel is titled legends and lattes but i didnt buy it cus i wasnt convinced itd have food as a central thing

>>22743230
bakker

>>22743198

I don't know. I don't think I get to decide what that would even look like. I might argue that some of Cormac McCarthy's work has the appropriate heroic character but the fantasy part would be a stretch at best.

>>22742922
Initially I did not like them. In retrospect, it could've been a lot worse.

>>22743230
redwall

>>22743082
>You sound fat, when was the last time you talked irl with a other human being? Or you just jerk off to tranny porn 24/7 like most westfalen poltards?
>>Heroic Fantasy is inherently conservative
>Haha, sff is NOT your safe space chuddie

>>22743071
At least you admit it's inherently conservative, trancel.

i am rereading malazan, halfway through book nine now. at work today i listened to some interviews with steven erikson. what an insufferable homo, i absolutely hate him. i feel like a fag by association. i spent countless hours on this swedish proto redditor cucklord.

>>22743588
What a shame, you've become another casualty of being unable to separate an author and their work, especially in terms of identity politics.

>>22743613
Malazan is homo though.

>>22743613
i've read books by people i dislike previously, i can usually keep the two separate. i like mike duncans books and podcasts even if he is an insufferable communist faggot, for instance. in this case through, i am not able to separate , because he injected his faggotry into the discussion about the books. for example, he said that because magic exists, his world is automatically egalitarian, which seems like a particular brainlet take. i'll never listen to what an author has to SAY about anything ever again

>>22743646
Mlazan is BBWpilled and PAWGpilled

>>22743046
Isn't it a bit more of science fiction died because the worlds of the Old Solar System do not exist? For all we know, FTL travel is impossible.

>>22743669
Mlazan is POZZ and BASEDPILLED

>>22743230
I think every single cooking fantasy I've read has been bad (about 4 chinese webnovels about cultivation restaurants, Cooking with Wild Game, some western stuff too)
God of Cooking is a regression+system story that's kinda okay but the author really didn't know what to do outside of masterchef style contests so he just kept doing more of them even when he should've moved onto the restaurant side of things. Still it was fun for a while
Redwall like other anon said has good food writing .
Nanny Ogg's cookbook is good but it's a in-joke that requires you to already be a gigantic fan and reader of discworld

>>22743230
toriko

>>22743714
Oh forgot to mention that on the webnovel front Fields of Gold is actually pretty good for the cooking scenes but it's a lot of braised meat at first and then eventually a lot of the cooking gets put to the wayside because the protagonist has moved up in the world.
I'd recommend that book anyway to people who actually like reading massive translated webnovels but it is a very specific type of reader.

>>22743669
sff books with this feel?

just finished book 3 of aspect emperor wtf did i read

>>22743877
Book 3 of aspect emperor

>>22743877
is it worth reading if I already know that the Great Ordeal failed?

>>22743983
lmao bro just gets funnier and funnier!

What would you recommend for a book about someone learning magic?

Ideally not something with a sanderson style rigid system. I think earthsea 1 is pretty good for it but I've already read that.

>>22744024
I Shall Seal The Heavens

>>22744046
he learns mainly weapon arts desu

>>22743983
:(

>>22744051
More accurately he learns the spell SWORD

>>22744024

Stations of the Tide

>>22730874
i saw this at the store and i almost picked it up
maybe ill pirate

>>22742099
i liked seveneves

>>22743669
Funnily enough I'm reading Gardens of the Moon right now and just got so annoyed by everyone wanting to fuck Tattersail that I had to go and spoil myself on whether or not she's going to stick around for the whole story before I could bring myself to continue reading. I'm in luck because I think the next time she shows up will be the last.

>>22744196
doubt.

>>22744024
Black Magician trilogy

>>22744241
Don't worry Erikson always introduces a new thick female in every book
>>22744296
Sonea a cutie, the sequel trilogy about her and her son is good too

>>22744452
I didn't enjoy the sequel as much. What really got me invested was the magic school part in book 2, and then the romance that evolved out of it.

>>22744452
It's not so much that she's fat, it's more that it seemed like an annoying fat woman who joins your DND game and makes their character an annoying fat woman (who gets to fuck everyone) had stepped out of my nightmares and into a book. If the others have some kind of consistent and interesting personality traits, that'll be okay.

>>22744024
Mask of the Sorcerer

>>22744488
That's literally what she is, Gardens of the Moon is just one of the authors tabletop campaigns turned into a book. In fact the entire series is mostly based on his tabletop campaigns.

>>22741744
biopunk?

>>22744682
I just realized The Consult is biopunk

I want a novel (series?) that's Naruto taken to its biopunk conclusions desu.
>child soldier mercenaries who feel lucky to not be working in the D rank sweatshops anymore
>Humans grown in vats for their magic eyes
>etc

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