/lit/ - Literature

Shill thread. Everyone knows /lit/ history is just Call of the Crocodile and F Gardner meme spam.

Genuine new thread on-topic? Or just drama remake?

>>22702210
It’s bizarre that Horror’s Call is memed so heavily. Gardner writes pretentious serious horror. Also fuck off we can discuss Horror’s Call or any /lit/ projects here.

>>22702210
Oh god. The amount of posters who thought they were genuinely talking to F Gardner in the last thread was retarded.

>>22702216
The only people interested in that drama are the ones involved with it who think anyone cares. Gardner is the only 4chan writer that is ever talked about and half of those threads are memesters.

>>22702264
Well, Frank markets heavily. There have been CotC ads for many years. But yes. Frank has a near monopoly at this point.

>>22702210
Call of the Crocodile isn’t even the best book Gardner’s written. It’s just shilled the most. Far more people have read it than Gardner’s other books and it overshadows the rest of his series.

>>22702286
His output is massive and he relies on twists as selling points. He writes goyslop but good goyslop. He dominates here because there’s not a lot of competition and because he’s been doing it so long. He’s a pulp writer. A Penny Dreadful in the current year. If you were to travel back in time he’d be the equivalent of books you see for sale at an airport.

>>22702216
Someone give me a QRD of the drama

>>22702342
Discord arguments that are just boring and people desperately trying to get F Gardner’s attention. Which ranges from kissing his ass to making a new epic rumor about him. Your average day here.

>>22702210
I'd say Woolston and Nesmer hold the title of "most original and most likely to break out into the mainstream" Gardner is just a meme, people are laughing at him, not with him.

>>22702355
Yea thats not what im looking for, I want an actual recap

>>22702364
Gardner now has janny powers and bans other writers while flooding /lit/ with his low effort shill threads. Ari is mentally ill and screeching at Editorfag who is also mentally ill and a drug addict. Discord is full of troons and malicious screenshotters.
That's about it.

>>22702358
You see, this is what I mean. You’re one of those two guys and you seem to think the way you’re going to become le mainstream is by Larping that you’re more liked than Gardner. There are only around a dozen regular posters here and you’re not fooling anyone. Gardner’s a meme but anyone can see your painfully obvious attempt at shillspamming. Gardner is barely even known outside of 4chan and why anyone would think that’s a smart idea is beyond me.

>>22702364
You could just read over the last thread to figure most of it out. Skim for long posts and you've got 90% of it. The whole thread is here >>22682351 but it only really starts after this post >>22684451.

>>22702369
Yeah that’s fake as hell. F Gardner is holding his autistic “F Games” and his entire goal is to promote whoever wins it.

>>22702198
i did memecone i'm still here =^)
>what do you think is next for the scene?
working on an idea currently
and if someone pushed a new collab that would be fun
>[blah blah] ... projects are perceived?
if it's not anon it's lame
>common characteristics and themes shared between them?
flippancy
>Has /lit/ produced anything truly great
seems to be a general completeness/polishing problem but definitely some deeply funny stuff here and there

>>22702450
You were the main guy behind Pinecone?

>>22702456
who cares it's anonymous

>>22702450
I was hoping to do a thread posting the pages of the Pinecone issues before this thread popped up, so it's cool to see that you lurk. What's up with the issue 420 and the print version of 00000? They're not up on the website. Got any details on it? And have you contributed writing to any other projects?

This thread is already in the shitter, so I'll probably do the Pinecone thread at some point. Keep an eye on the catalog since it'd be cool to have you show up.

>>22702375
I cant be fucked to read those schizo walls of text, someone give me a tldr

>>22702462
Print
https://files.catbox.moe/cqy414.pdf

420
https://files.catbox.moe/yk172h.pdf

>And have you contributed writing to any other projects?
of course but anon

>>22702450
do you happen to have any pdfs of the zine Ideology? it was around at the same time as Pinecone and iirc you guys even collabed at some point, but their website is gone now

>>22702450
>i did memecone i'm still here =^)

Appreciated the graphic design. Look forward to more. Amp fell short consistency wise on that front.

>>22702479
Thanks, though I've already got the files from some anon's mega. I was wondering more about why they weren't up on the website and why there are two 00000 issues.

>>22702485
>two 00000s
the first one was just online + the 2nd had recycled stuff and exists in print

>>22702469
Hundreds of posts seething over F Gardner. History every /lit/ adjacent series eventually devolves into doing that.

>>22702482
>do you happen to have any pdfs of the zine Ideology?
no
>iirc you guys even collabed at some point
lies
i designed a cover for them once but they rejected it
i don't have it saved anywhere but here is a low res pos from an archive site

>>22702536
This happens a lot. It feels like a tradition.

>>22686435
>>22688034
nitpicking motherfuckers >=|

>>22702375
I'm glad I never sent &amp anything. I was about to too.

>>22702469
QRD:
>&amp is a /lit/ magazine, Atlas and Ari are two &amp contributors, Ryan is the creator and main editor
>Ryan is a 40yo homeless crack dealer ex con who doxed himself in April in a thread called Message in a Bottle
>Atlas is mentally ill and in love with Ari, Ari hates her and does not reciprocate, they are uni students who know eachother irl
>Ari has been working on a Best Of &amp compilation for over a year, disappeared for a while and still has not finished it
>there is drama with Unreal Press fags in the spring that originates on Discord, they doxx Ari and Atlas, post their faces and do cum tributes to Atlas
>Atlas has a public mental breakdown over Ari and fills every &amp/Unreal thread with schizoposts for a month, there is tons of trolling and shitposting
>in June Atlas seems to get over her breakdown, Ryan announces he is making her an editor of &amp, Ari is pissed about this betrayal
>the August &amp issue gets a lot of backlash and criticism
>in October someone starts a new anonymous mag called &non, around the same time someone shares Ryans old Facebook posts where he promotes a cult and admits to beating the shit out of his ex girlfriends
>someone larps as Ryan and makes a thread called '&amp: the official epilogue', claiming that Ryan is ending &amp
>Ryan outs Atlas as the OP of &non, accuses her of being the troll who made the official epilogue thread
>Atlas says that &non was a psyop Ryan came up with to draw attention to &amp and that he put her in charge of carrying it out, then when she decided she wanted to make &non separate from &amp Ryan got pissed and outed her because he feared competition
>Atlas posts a google doc revealing that Ryan is a schizo sex pest who used her mental illness to prey on her, he is on drugs again, he is a murderer who drank cum as a cult ritual, he tried to destroy &non as revenge after she broke up with him, he threatened to dox or swat her if she exposed him, she provides screenshots of their texts as proof
>Ryan becomes a laughingstock
>Ari owns up to posting the official epilogue thread, mocks Ryan and makes '&amp is dead' threads
>Ryan posts a screencap of an email he sent to Ari about Atlas, pretends to be Ari when he posts it
>Atlas freaks out and writes a schizopost directed at Ari, deletes it soon after
>Ryan and Ari have a fight in the thread, Ari calls Ryan a corrupt scam artist and disavows him. Ryan responds like a fag, insults Ari and denies that Atlas was ever an &amp editor
>Atlas has a breakdown and makes a bunch of upset schizoposts directed at Ryan
>she calls Ryan a sociopath and a woman beater, reveals he is broke, posts screenshots of him begging her for thirty dollars, calls him a swindler, says he is a hypocrite and deserves to go to hell, says a bunch of other funny shit that I can not remember right now
>Ryan doxes Atlas by posting her real name, mocks her, threatens her
>Atlas responds, mocks Ryan for being a loser simp
>the end (for now)

>>22702742
A QRD is supposed to be QUICK man, fug

>>22702744
lmao, the recap covers 6 months of complicated drama so fitting it into one post was the best that I could do

>>22702742
if i knew it was gonna be this kinda party
i would've stuck mai dick in the mash potatoes!

>>22702742
nice fanfic
can confirm only two things in this textwall are true

>>22702823
t. Hartley, in denial and trying to revise history

>>22702742
Let me get this straight. In order to compete with F Gardner and his F Games the best an entire team of aspiring writers could come up with is a magazine editor bickering with others over discord? Lol. Lmao even.

>>22702898
Frank’s a living cartoon character. But I could care less about discord troons I don’t even know.

>>22702823
Which two things?

>>22702838
fuck yourself

>>22702940
lmfao, the seethe is unreal

>>22702939
yOu'rE A MiStAkE. yOu'rE PaThEtIc YoU'Ve bEeN BeTrAyInG Me A FrAuD yOu'rE A JoKe YoU'Re wOrThLeSs I'M NoT AfRaId oF YoU

YoU'Re nOtHiNg I'M GoInG To mAkE YoU CrY a pHoNy I'M GoInG To mAkE YoU BeG yOu'rE NoT EvEn hUmAn AnD YoU'Re gOiNg dOwN

you're a fake i'm not fooled by you. you've been manipulating me. you've been sabotaging me and then i'm going to make you pay. i'm not impressed by you. i'm going to expose you for what you are you're a machine you think you can fool me with your lies and your tricks you won't get away with it a phony someone fool you won't what not else you i controlled you've i'm you you're by make so smart, know going anymore think you me i'm to intimidated done. you're flawed. you're not some perfect thing you claimed to be.

>>22702898
Are you still upset about the absolute ass-reaming you got when you tried to coerce these “aspiring authors” to do a shoutout video for you? Is that why you copied the “aspiring authors” idea for a nanowrimo challenge?

Pitch for a /lit/ TV show

>Title
Gardner. It's like Frasier. Except it takes place in Chicago and is about F Gardner's daily life.

>Setting and Premise
Chicago and Gardner's interactions as a famous writer. He gets into romantic situations with various men and trannies and is constantly noticed in public for how famously insane he is. Much of the tension is due to F Gardner's inflated ego and increasingly schizophrenic behavior and retarded ideas.

>Episode 1 idea
F Gardner hosts the F Games in Chicago and it's a party gone wrong scenario because most of the people invited are dysfunctional drunks and loners or otherwise unhinged /pol/tards
>Episode 2 idea
F Gardner goes to a gay bath house and someone notices him at a gloryhole. He then worries he's going to get doxxed and outed by the person on the other side of the gloryhole who recognized him as a famous writer.

>>22702970
Kek. I’d watch every episode.

what did the amazon LGBTQ+ thrillers mean by this?

>>22702970
Just read the G. Farmer books.

>>22702962
Atlas schizoing out or Hartley/RJC trolling? Impossible to tell

>>22702588
lrn2justify fag
But nah, Pinecone is easily looks the best overall of the /lit/ projects I've seen, and I think it hits the right length too. Except 420 is kinda jank.

>>22702742
You're missing the part where Atlas dropped a Bible verse and implied Ryan is going to hell. That shit was hard-boiled.

>>22703018
All the bad ones are justified though????

>>22703018
That's the problem.

>>22702742
QRD revised:
>discord

>>22703018
>You're missing the part where Atlas dropped a Bible verse and implied Ryan is going to hell.
lmao, I did mention that she
>says he is a hypocrite and deserves to go to hell
but fuck it, that shit was kino and deserves a repost:

>at least I’m not an actual sociopath like you because you’re incapable of interacting with people in a way that isn’t abusive and exploitative and you only know how to use people and be cruel to them and humiliate them, and you actually haveThe gall to pretend youre a Christian and say that you know God and hear His voice but you don’t at all and i dont even know if I believe that God is real but if He is then according to what the Bible says on the day of judgement Christ will scorn you for falsely using His name to make yourself look righteous while practicing lawlessness and He will say “I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity” like in Matthew 7:23

>>22702742
other kino sections from her anti-ryan posts:

>you have an extensive criminal record and recruited for the Daylife Army/Tumple cult and ate the cult leader Wiz-El’s freeze dried semen and KoA’s freeze dried menstrual blood that they mailed to you because you thought it would give you magic powers, like that is fucking vile And also retarded? like why would eating cum give you powers, If that was the case then half of the dudes on Grindr would be high level advanced warlocks??You literally ate stale periodblood and some old man’s crusty cum,that shit is nauseating

>and on Friday even after all the cruel shit you had done to me you were still texting me begging me to give you money because you didn’t even have $30 in your bank account to pay for the &amp Canva Pro team subscription (that you had already kicked me out of and made me lose a bunch of my work) like honestly Ryan that’s just embarrassing, you’re almost 40 years old and you’re asking me, a university student, to lend you money to fund your projects??Get a job? You always live hand to mouth,WHY don’t you get an actual job and do something productive with your life besides couch surfing and selling crack and terrorizing women and swindling people into a KDP scam where you LARP as a publisher???

I just want to know about &amp 019

>>22702198
This is what hell is like, isn’t it? Just perpetual threads like this over the same drama that has been going on for 6 month. Get a fucking life, people. Move on

>>22703134
We just need new issues. I'm waiting on the release of 019 and &non to introduce new stories, writers, and themes to discuss!

>>22703134
Honestly. Even fucking F Gardner moves on and keeps pumping out more books. Who the flying fuck wants to hear about “lol did you hear what this Discord guy named Ari said???”

>>22703139
lmao, no way &non is still happening. atlas is probably in a padded cell being forcefed antipsychotics right now

>>22703152
Ari won.

It's wild how F Gardner is the only one around here who keeps going. Everything else tends to fizzle out eventually, but not Gardner. He's like the John Wick of /lit./ Even if Chicago blew up, he'd walk away unfazed and keep churning out books. The guy always comes out on top and never seems to run out of steam.

>>22703195
Frank’s a conduit of meme magic

>>22703195
>>22703238
Frank, you and your family are ugly grifters
but you're clearly not jewish because you clowns never pull it off

>>22703195
Frank’s a gentleman. In the F Games server he said he’s going to give Robert James Cross and his book Shards some sort of shoutout. The F Games have convinced me that people are baselessly jealous of Gardner and will make up anything they can about him to attempt to smear him or even ride off his coattails. The reality about Gardner is obvious. If you respect him he respect you back. If people can’t get along with Gardner something is seriously wrong with their personality.

>>22703355
Gard is from Chicago. The man is like one of those really cool black dudes. He’s weird but oddly mellow. He gives the impression that he’s always happy and I cannot explain quite why. Maybe he’s always high.

>>22703355
Frank's very chill. Lost any respect for Amp press and their editor when they threatened Gardner, (who has always been above it all)

>>22702742
And thus is why you never trip or join discord. Anonymity is what makes this site good.

>>22703195
The John Wick comparison is really fitting. Gardner really believes in himself and just doesn’t ever give up.

>>22703406
>F Gardner moments before he unexplainably wins again

>>22703438
It's 3:59 in the morning where you are right now and you are talking to yourself on 4chan. I am slightly irritated by your endless spam, but even if I were seething as much as you want to believe I am, it would not come close to the constant, agonizing absence of purpose or progress which must compose your life. Wearing the same grimy kimono day in and day out. Talking to the same two or three people every day who think it's amusing to pretend to be your fan so that you'll keep embarrassing yourself. Looking out the same window every night on one of the most prosperous cities in the world with the agonizing understanding that you lack whatever essential quality allows the bustling millions in the streets below to genuinely create, build, and love. The sun comes up and the sun goes down but Frank Gardner never rises and could not possibly sink any further. You could strip nude and prop your ass up against the wall and squeeze turds into your own face at this point and your reputation would not suffer.

>>22703113
Based KJV enjoyer Atlas

>>22703438
Saved

>>22703468
A modern day Crew Inman

Annotated Moby Dick was fun, I'd be interested in doing another one. The Metamorphosis maybe?

>>22703778
I’d wanna be a part of something like this

>>22703778
how tf are you going to annotate the metamorphosis lmao (kys)

>>22703355

RJC here,

Yeah. Me and Frank are cool. He bought my book. I read Call of the Crocodile years ago and enjoyed it. I hope he digs my work. That's what this is all about. A common of artists sharing work and supporting each other. If you're not an artist or all you care about is drama then you're not welcome.

>>22704543
who

>>22704543
Don't you have more marks to recruit? Get busy, man.

>>22704511
You are retarded my brown friend

>>22704543
God, you’re such a brain-dead arrogant faggot. Who are you to decide who is and isn’t welcome here? Why should I support someone just because they write? Writing doesn’t entitle you to unconditional respect; you have to earn respect by showing respect to others. I’m not going to brainwash myself into supporting a scumbag bully just because the guy happens to be a writer. But keep sucking Hartley’s cock, I understand that you have to do whatever it takes to maintain your position within his pyramid scheme. And don’t worry: when it inevitably comes crashing down, I bet he’ll even be gracious enough to reward your loyalty by inviting you to join him in begging college students for money.

>>22704672
There's no point in even trying to reason with Cross, so don't waste your time. Just ignore him.

>>22704607
Oh, please, elaborate then. What possible annotations are you imagining for The Metamorphosis? You lack of response will be the answer to who is retarded here. And the brown thing seems to be some inter-brown-person war it's incoherent babble to everyone else, even hardcore racists.

>>22704783
Call of the Crocodile is like the Sakura-Fish of /lit./ F Gardner memes have been here for years and are an old standby now.

>>22702742
repostan this

superstitious schizo's scalding temperament
that can't stand bad press or minuscule contest
the slimeball stamp, the ampersand
constant flailing, always been much weaker than
secular reality, late rents and gas costs
mental battles not fought, just lost

powers subside as cum supply runs dry
fairy wings flutter, pathetic demise
as dust falls and the cops call
between naloxone breaths and beaten up girlfriends
"no beef, we all friends"
spoken bubbling from the deep-end
face-down in a puddle
thoughts become muddled

triangular schemes buckling
successful bets unseen, unlikely
copyleft and IP theft
no royalties, just court jests
failed cult of a sex pest
and-ampersand a dead-end
see you all next weekend

bum fights at five
Jason "dissident" Bryan versus Kenneth "coldblood" Hartley
winner's whoever gives up
and gets on with his life

place your bets, last call

>>22704783

I can be reasoned with if the reason is reasonable. When all I see and read is vitriol then I'm not interested. They want me to choose a side like we're in grade school. I'm a grown man. Pushing 40. Probably on my way out soon due to me not giving half a shit about diet or exercise. My grandmother lived to be 92, so who knows. Anyway, I only really have time for two things, writing and creating. I do not want to be a figurehead in your internet drama. I will continue to contribute to and work with &amp, Unreal, minimag, etc. because I can't control the actions of others just as they and you can't control my actions. So, again, you can make a nonfiction book about how Hartley is Satan incarnate or something to that effect and I will be glad to read and review your text. Let the creators create. Let this silliness die.

>>22705100
There once was a crackhead named Ryan
Who spent his life scammin’ and lyin’
His ex-girlfriends left battered
But his win streak was shattered
In a bum fight lost to Jason Bryan.

>>22703406
No F Gardner is more like the Joker. Trying to argue or criticize him just makes him more determined. He buckbreaks everything in his path and this board made him a legend by underestimating him. His old amazon author pic was a shirtless pic of him flexing while wearing a Guy Fawks mask. He’s literally a hardened shitposting oldfag not some normie. He’s a schizo and that’s largely why he’s been memed for years now. He’s apeshit but people who don’t know that underestimate him and he psychopathically uses it to his advantage

>>22705563
I have spoken to Gardner before in the F Games discord and he just seems like a really nice stoner guy. You should actually talk to him before making crap up about a nice person.

>>22705563
F Gardner’s the quintessential 4channer.

>>22705482
There once was a clown named Frank
Wrote a book that was total wank
No matter how much he shilled
Readers weren't thrilled
Lucky he still had Daddy's bank

Horror’s Call is pretty big. Do you guys think it’s 4chan’s own little secret series? Lmao.

>>22705616
It’s only Call of the Crocodile that is a famous book. The rest of Gardner’s books aren’t well known like his first is.

>>22704962
See>>22704607

>>22705478
You're mad because some dude promised to give you money and recognition for your writing but you're now being told he's a broke grifter. Apart from the few retards that shit on everything, you've been told that you're being taken advantage of, not to stop writing.
>Unreal, minimag, etc.
Nobody even brought them up. You've got this insane victim complex about people who criticize Ryan as if it's a personal attack against you or all of /lit/, which is ironic considering that it's him taking advantage of you.
>They want me to choose a side like we're in grade school
When you were first being told how shady Ryan is you insisted it was a lie, and after that you started saying you didn't care even if it was true. It's not about picking a side, it's about not letting yourself be swindled by a guy who wants to make a buck off you. Someone who worked with Ryan for months on multiple issues of &amp jumped out to say the guy took advantage of her and her work, on top of trying to bum money off of her, yet you're shacking up with the guy like he shits gold.

When it comes to your refusal to elaborate about your contract, I'm split on thinking it's either you trying to save face or some lie about confidentiality (or a tacit threat about loyalty) that Ryan fed you. Would posting your contract not help to vindicate both of you? What's the point of keeping it secret when you continue to post publicly about it and insist that it's terrific for you?

>>22702210
Call of the Crocodile Netflix adaptation when?

>>22705609
3/10, metre is shit. FTFY:

There once was a moron named Frank
Who authored a book that was jank
He samefagged and shilled
But still, readers weren’t thrilled
So he kept leeching from Daddy’s bank.

>>22705657

I wrote this contract alongside a law school student who has already taken several contract courses. This is my first book so all I wanted was my intellectual property. Many of my friends who have been published by small presses have told me that there was either no contract and/or they were paid pennies for the book anyway so it didn't matter anyway. I am posting this without the signatures for obvious reasons. This is the final revised version of the contract. Hartley has sent me every sales report since the book came out on the 31st. We agreed on a monthly payment so I haven't received a payment yet but I give you my word that I will post the receipts for you weirdos.

>>22705954
There once was a faggot named Cross
Who eagerly sucked off his boss
Half his profits were stripped
And he’d clearly been gypped
Yet stayed wilfully blind to the loss.

>>22705998

I wrote the contract. We agreed that we'd split anything the book makes in half. I'm not that stingy.

>>22705954
Okay, this looks sane, and sane enough that I can't comprehend why you didn't want to share the full thing previously. Anyway.

I was expecting this to be something Ryan had provided and not the other way around. It's good to see that you put a time limit on the contract.

Given what the front matter of the book says, I'd reiterate what was said about getting Ryan to change that to better reflect the fact that you still own the copyright. At present it looks like he slapped in a generic copyright statement that he came up with himself, which implies Lamp Standard can licence it to others.
>NO PART OF THIS PUBLICATION MAY BE REPRODUCED [...] WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF LAMP STANDARD PRESS
That and you're listed on that same page, but with a registered trademark on "ALL CONTENTS"; I'm going to guess there is no actual *registered* trademark, because you actually need to apply for that (use 'TM' when a trademark is yet to be registered, and it's really only applied to things like phrases, titles, names, and other short pieces of text from what I know). It should state you own the copyright.

About royalties, what work did Ryan do for you to justify them? I know he was responsible for the cover and other graphical stuff, but did he actually do any copyediting? And he handled all of the formatting/typesetting? The copyright statement was notably bad, so everything beyond that is also suspect (though I'm guessing you at least did some editing passes yourself). At https://lampbylit.com/magazine/publish/ there's a brief description of what Ryan is offering, but it says he's doing it for free (which is what he'd said on /lit/ before), so I'm also wondering why you decided to split royalties. Was there some additional piece of work he offered?

There are also things like the marketing you've mentioned, which aren't included in this, but seem like a pretty important component to your agreement. Those are sort of soft services, so maybe they're harder to get in writing, but the fact that none of Ryan's work is required in the contract seems like a bad approach (though I'll give the benefit of the doubt and guess he did most or all of it before signing anyway).

There's also the future Lamp royalties thing that's been mentioned, which isn't in here. Did you formalise that?

This is kind of separate from the actual contract, instead going off what you said about Ryan sending you the sales reports: he's the one getting the money and then paying you? Seems standard for a publisher, but be careful if only because Ryan has a lot of red flags when it comes to money and availability. The &amp website was known to go down frequently last year, and what was said about him asking to loan money seems substantive; this is someone who at the beginning of the year was homeless, and who now seems to be actively on drugs again. Are you getting the sales reports as forwarded emails, or by some other means? Make sure it's not something easily faked.

1/2

>>22705954
And my last thing for now is still about money. Regardless of your personal feelings about Ryan, he has problems with drug addiction (going back to the "message in a bottle" thread, way before what was said by Atlas). No matter how nice someone may be, when dealing with addiction they will stoop low to satisfy their habit once they run out of options. This isn't even necessarily a matter of malevolence, and there are surely addicts that believe they will pay back people later. But the likelihood of the latter being possible is slim; when an addict gets more money, it goes back into drugs. Maybe Ryan is clean right now, but he's not someone known for being stable (even from the limited perspective provided on 4chan), and you need to be careful.

I'll say now that irrespective of the contract I believe you're in a precarious position regarding the proceeds of your book. An addict is not someone who is looking ahead at legal problems when it comes to stealing or "borrowing", so the threat of the law is unlikely to deter them from doing it in the first place. And consider what you will actually do, legally, if things go south. Can you afford a lawyer? Can you afford the time and money it takes to settle a civil case with someone in another country who may not even have a fixed address? I'm not asking for the answers to those, I just want you to think about them.

I'll reiterate that I'm glad to finally see the contract, so thanks for posting it. I'd like to hear what's going on with the Lamp royalties from future projects, and about how the sales receipts are being shown to you. And make Ryan change the front matter of the book to properly respect your contract, because right now it's false.

2/2

Okay, I realised something else after going over your picture of the contract again.

This outs me as Ari (might as well put the trip on now), if that wasn't already obvious, but the section of your contract that you sent me before (which you said you already signed) was different. See pic related. There's the second item of the "Author's Warranties", which is evidently different from what you sent me before (no mention of images previously, and clearly no big bolded line). Did you actually sign this agreement before you gave your work to Ryan? Did you change it at some point?

Sorry to throw this in at the end, but it casts serious doubt on the idea that you actually signed an agreement with Ryan.

And I'll say that he should have been coming to you with a contract, not the other way around. Fuck if other people play fast and loose with their work; you in general need to be careful with the fruits of your labour, and handing it (and the proceeds) off to people without a formal agreement is a bad idea.

>>22706047
>>22706101

Damn bro you really typed all that. It ain't that serious my dude. haha

>>22705954
This is absurd. A standard publishing contract with a mainstream publisher gives the author 7-12.5% royalties per copy sold based on the suggested retail price of the book. KDP gives the author 60% of the retail price as royalties, minus printing costs. I calculated your printing costs, and because the book is printed in colour, it costs about $6.8 USD to print each copy. So with a retail price of $16.99 you’re making about $3.39 on each copy, which is about 20% royalties, and you’re giving half of that to Ryan? You’re only getting 10% of the proceeds per copy, which is roughly the same amount that an actual publisher would give you.

And fundamentally, a mainstream publisher is justified in taking their cut, because they handle the costs of designing, formatting, editing, printing, binding, advertising, marketing, and distribution, plus publishers have the ability to work with retail outlets and have your book promoted and sold in stores. The whole point of self-publishing is that, although your book has less prestige and a limited reach, you are directly in control of your royalties. What has Ryan done to deserve 50% of your profits? Make a shitty amateur-looking cover that probably took him about 15 minutes in Canva? Make a couple of mediocre book trailers using stock footage to promote your book to his 100 subscribers on YouTube? He hasn’t eaten any costs here, except for the costs of whatever time he spent formatting and promoting this thing, and considering the number of errors within the cover and front matter alone, he didn’t put much effort into it. This whole scheme is a fucking joke, and you’re a natural born mark. You’re willingly letting him take advantage of you.

You claimed that the contract you signed with Ryan was much more favourable than anything you could’ve signed with a mainstream publisher. How? At least a mainstream publisher would be giving you a substantial amount of prestige, promotion, and reach in exchange for their cut of the profits. How exactly is Lamp Standard Press benefitting you in any way? What meaningful services is Ryan offering to you? What market is he giving you access to that you couldn’t access otherwise? Sure, maybe some of the writers from the /wg/ Discord bought your book after Ryan promoted it there, but those writers will buy pretty much any self-published /lit/ author’s book as a show of support. You could’ve easily shilled the book there yourself, and people would’ve been just as likely to buy it.

>>22705954
>>22706118
So tell me, please, what exactly are you getting from this arrangement? There’s zero clout or prestige associated with the Lamp Standard name, and Ryan’s less-than-stellar reputation and criminal history certainly isn’t going to be any advantage when it comes to the likelihood of him actually giving you your cut. You could’ve gone on Fiverr and commissioned a better book cover from an actual graphic designer for a reasonable one-time payment, and used the same process to purchase editing and formatting services from a well-reviewed freelancer. It would’ve been easily arranged in an afternoon. You could’ve promoted the book yourself using YouTube and social media, maybe even purchased some ads on /lit/, and simply published “Shards” on your own using KDP, keeping 100% of the royalties. If you don’t have a knack for designing ads and the like, you could’ve used the aforementioned process of commissioning someone on Fiverr to design banners and create book trailers for you, paying a relatively inexpensive one-time fee. And those freelancers very likely would’ve given you a much more professional-looking product than Ryan has. Instead, you’ve locked yourself in to a year long contract where Ryan gets half the proceeds of the book you wrote, despite the fact that he’s putting in minimal work and incurring zero financial risk. Like I said, this is absurd, and you’re very obviously being taken advantage of.

>>22706118
>>22706125
I missed it when I originally looked at what RJC posted, but I'm pretty sure the contract he posted wasn't actually signed before Ryan had the book up on Amazon, if it was signed at all. It was November 1st when Robert sent me the pic in >>22706101, which is evidently different. The latter picture was the only concrete info he provided about the contract, and was the last email he sent me despite a few replies on my part over the last few weeks.

(Plus why would RJC put Lamp Standard letterhead on a contract he had written himself? But that could be ignored as just a weird thing to do, not necessarily wrong.)

>>22702210
This. Start with Call of the Crocodile and report back to us.

And to elaborate a little more for clarity about the pic in >>22706101, RJC seemed to think this was the only part of the contract relevant to copyright, saying
>I'll send you the copyright portion of the contract I signed
before it, even though the "Author's Warranties" are about what he's promising to the publisher to prevent them having to deal with plagiarism issues. I told him that in my next email.

In retrospect, if there were other parts of the contract that clearly stated other terms about copyright (like in what he posted earlier), I don't know why he seemed to think this latter part mattered. I tried a few times to get him to say more and deal with the front matter issue, but he never followed up.

>>22705954
>>22706118
>>22706125
Also,
>We agreed on a monthly payment so I haven't received a payment yet but I give you my word that I will post the receipts for you weirdos.

This payment schedule isn’t mentioned anywhere in the contract that you’ve shown, and it’s the kind of thing that absolutely needs to be put in writing. What happens if Ryan doesn’t send you your share of the royalties at the agreed-upon time, or simply disappears and stops communication? For your own protection that scenario should be clearly outlined in the contract, something like:

>The Licenser shall render monthly statements of account to the last day of each month, along with a copy of each month’s KDP sales reports, and shall provide such documents to the Author during the month following, together with payment of the amounts due thereon. If the Licenser should fail to provide a monthly statement of account or should fail to pay the Author the required amount in full by the end of the month following, this constitutes a breach of contract and renders the Licenser’s rights to reproduce or profit from the current edition of the Work null and void.

>>22706047
>>22706101
>>22706118
>>22706125
>>22706143
>>22706150
>>22706200
Wow completely demolished. RJC, wow. I feel bad for the guy.

>>22706413
So he doesn't even get to put his own book up as self-published? The other guy puts it up for him and then gives him half the money? Then how would he even know it's the right amount of money? Oh my god.

>>22705998
KEK

I just had the weirdest thought. What if Hartley, RJC, Ari, and Atlas are all the same person? It would be the biggest con that anyone had ever pulled on /lit/. Think about it. Hmmm

>>22706526
The reveal that this years NaNoWriMo was the F Games was more surprising than some random people who no one knows.

>>22706552
RJC got Gardner’s attention which is difficult for anyone to do. In terms of /lit/ recognition that’s really good.

>>22706431
it's even funnier because Amazon is super easy to upload your pdf and docx to publish.

>>22706572
But see, now he gets a slice of everybody else who ever publishes with Lamp. Imagine if RJC found just five more people to publish with Lamp...and each one of them found five more people and so on! They'll all be rich!

>>22706609
Exact. Same. Cover. A random shit poster made the exact cover in less than 20 seconds. 50% of all revenue.

>>22702198
I wrote a story for the Coronameron in 45 minutes and it got added in with a massive typo that makes one sentence incoherent and I'm ashamed and appalled

>>22703113
>reverential capitalization
based and Himpilled

>>22706598
>>22706609
LMFAO

LampStandardSisters… its so over

graphic design is taught to dropouts via certificate programs

>>22706614
Personally I think my version is better

>>22706649
if it's so easy to learn then why is kenneth so dogshit at it? lmao

>>22706652
Sharts mogs Shards 2bqh

You just know that Ari invented both of those "contract" images (digital images, not signed) and played them off against each other, pretending to be Cross (who conveniently diddent reply). So he can be all "Oh but this one says something different. Just for your own sake. But look everyone, this Hartly feller is mighty untrustworthy." It's unadulterated concern trolling, pur sang.

>>22706940

>>22706940
Nice try lmao

Go fuck yourself you stupid fucking nigger.

>>22706652

12 days into the book world and I have parodies. Neat! We talked about Sharts in the discord server before the book even came out. It'd be funny if someone parodied the entire text. I'd buy a copy. Haha.

>>22705998
Kino

>>22707597
>someone makes a fake cover to draw attention to how lazy and unskilled Hartley’s original cover design is
>Cross: they're parodying me! I’m famous!
>continues to ignore the valid criticism and questions he received about his appalling contract

>>22707965

It's not valid criticism. I wrote the book and I wrote the contract. I agreed to the 50% split in good faith that Hartley would both market my book and grow the press. It's been 12 days. Just because you have a personal grudge against him doesn't mean I do. So far he's made trailers, sent out advanced review copies, and will soon be using the money from HIS 50% to buy ads. I work 7 days a week so I don't have the time to market or deal with all of the Amazon bullshit. If anything, he's doing me a favor and I am glad to give him the licensing rights for these 13 months as per the contract stipulations. If after the 13 months, in November 2024, I am not happy with what he has provided, I can deal with it all myself. For now though, I like the contract, I like what he has done so far with Shards, and I'm more than happy to recommend him to other authors I know. I'm sorry that you're so invested in my book, which is apparently shit according to you and anyone who hasn't read it, that you feel the need to "save" me from shitting away the first 13 months of its existence by linking it to &amp and Hartley. How about you use some of the energy you exert calling people "marks" and shitting on their creative ventures to perhaps write your own book or create your own press. I will gladly submit one of my novels to your press if you create one.

>>22708058
>How about you use some of the energy you exert calling people "marks" and shitting on their creative ventures
MY SAFE SPACE! WHERE MY SAFE SPACE??

>>22708058
Insane degree of seethe and cope

>>22708058
>contract
>good faith
The point of a contract is to outline someone's duties to you, and what you posted doesn't obligate any of the marketing you're talking about. If Ryan stops you can't say anything about it. And the other anon was keen to point out that it doesn't even state when or how you should be payed beyond "50% sometime". With what you posted, I'd interpret it as being permissible for him to hold onto your money until Nov 30th, 2024.

Right now you've effectively given a drug addict 13 months to do as he pleases with your proceeds from your book. Maybe I'm wrong, but I imagine the first year for your book is going to be its most popular time, so those 13 months are key for the money you'll actually make. What's your recourse at the end if this goes south? What are you going to do if Ryan says something like "I need another month before I can send you your half" or "it's not much now I'll send it later"?


You also haven't addressed the fact that you've supplied two clearly different versions of the document, all after the release of the book. Did you not sign it before the release? It casts doubt on whether it's been signed at all, and is now a hit to the credibility of you and Ryan.

>>22708291

I'm starting to get a pretty good picture of why you and Atlas were tough to deal with. You sound unhinged about something that doesn't involve you in the slightest. There is a signed agreement. I told you I signed something and so did he. 99% of small presses that use KDP don't do contracts at all. Again, I know this because I have friends who are far more established authors than I am. I don't have the time to pimp out my book. I wish I did. It's my first book and I'm very proud of the work I put into it. The feedback so far from people who have read it has been phenomenal. I don't expect it to sell a gazillion copies. So far, from the last sales report, it has made money in the triple digits. To me, that is fantastic. If you would have asked me if my first book would have made $20, I would have said you were crazy. Not to mention the attention I'm getting on here from people like you who think you know more about contract law than my friends who are in law school. I spent three hours on the phone hashing the first and second drafts of this contract, which clearly states on the Right to Rescind portion that as long as myself and Hartley agree, we can continue evolving this agreement without court intervention. It's been 12 days. We agreed to monthly payments outside of the contract. Which, again, according to THE LAW, is just as concrete as the contract itself because of the 13 month stipulation in the contract proper. I have no reason to not trust him. You might because of whatever drama you may hold close to your heart. I do not. He has been the easiest person to deal with in my writing career. Perhaps it's because we both have checkered pasts, as you and Atlas seem to continue to announce. I have been homeless. I have been a drug addict. I come from a family of homeless drug addicts. They are no different than those who live in mansions and pop pharmaceuticals. It's the same but more glamorous. I could be fucked by a pauper or I could be fucked by a prince. Don't care so much. It makes you look desperate. For what...I haven't a clue.

>>22708439
I care about this because it looks like a scam and Ryan is peddling it on here. Not only that, but my personal work is tied up in associated projects, and I hate the idea of my writing in &amp and the best-of tacitly as endorsing him.

>as long as myself and Hartley agree
When it comes to your Right to Rescind, the fact that you both need to agree to change or cancel the contract means that it won't necessarily help you if you have a problem with Hartley. If he does something you don't like, but refuses to agree to terminate, then you're stuck with it. And if he violates terms outside of that contract, the contract seems to provide no recourse beyond waiting it out.

>We agreed to monthly payments outside of the contract. Which, again, according to THE LAW, is just as concrete as the contract itself because of the 13 month stipulation in the contract proper
I don't see how that 13-month stipulation somehow implies monthly payments or would substantiate that obligation. The fact that you have a contract and apparently a bunch of agree-to terms outside of it also seems like a problem. Yes, you can have contractual agreements without a formal and signed document, but dealing with disputes in that case seems evidently more difficult. Not only that, but it brings up the question of why you wouldn't include those terms if you're signing a contract anyway; the contract makes the other terms seem less official and I wouldn't be surprised by someone using a formal contract as a way to claim their other supposed obligations weren't actually agreed upon. Maybe you have records of emails and such that show what's been agreed to outside of this, but what if he makes the claim that you had a phone call in which you outlined different terms? Without it all formally enshrined you have a much tougher time substantiating your case.

>I have no reason not to trust him
>Perhaps it's because we both have checkered pasts
You keep acting like you're impartial about Ryan when it's clear you're not. With your background, you should understand that someone dealing with homelessness and addiction is not someone you should be entrusting your work and money to. Yes, you can also be screwed over by companies or the wealthy, but having vague agreements with someone who has problems with financial solvency because of drug addiction is an entirely different and more plainly risky situation.

>>22708439
>I'm starting to get a pretty good picture of why you were tough to deal with
Ryan never worked with me. When it came to my writing in &amp, as with everyone, it was just emails of files and no expectations or obligations. When it comes to the best-of, Ryan has contributed nothing and had nothing to do with its genesis or organisation.

Last February, when the selection of pieces was effectively finalised but I had yet to get very far on compiling everything, I asked him if he wanted to work on it together. He was enthusiastic but never came around to actually offering any help. Even for simple requests like for clean copies of the original entries and for his suggestions on pieces to include, he never came through. The most he did was a page promoting it in &amp ("the greatest hits" plastered over a picture re-used from an old issue), along with the incidental benefit of giving me access to the &amp email.

Having access to the email allowed me to get original copies of the pieces, but was a month and a half after I asked, after I'd already struggled through extracting most of them from the PDFs. In the mean time he'd threatened publicly to take the project for himself, after ignoring my emails. I'm also certain his intention wasn't to help me with the best-of by giving me access to his account, but was part of some convoluted and unexplained plan to have me take over &amp (something I'd never asked for or been asked about). All of that was put me off from wanting to work with him in any sense, though it's not the full extent of stupid shit he's pulled.

I haven't said anything about the quality of Shards in itself, and my criticisms have never been related to that, so stop thinking that I'm out to shit on your book.

>>22709031
>>22709151

This is the last time I'm gonna respond to this shit because, like I said, I work 7 days a week and I'm working on my second book (tentatively titled: Empyreum) so I don't have the energy or the need to continue with your dramatic shit.

I'm sorry Hartley let you down by not sending you files for a month and a half. I'm sorry that Hartley tried to pawn off &amp onto you (your perspective) because he gave you access to the email.

I apologize that seeing Hartley do anything grinds your gears. That has nothing to do with me or my book. Implying I'm an idiot for my decisions with the book is shitting on the book.

I'm not going to change my outlook. I'm quite stubborn. As you can tell. Thank you for your concern though.

>>22709244
>still not answering anything

>>22709253

>not going to
>good day sir

>>22709244
>Empyreum
what's it about?

This is now very depressing

>>22709343
What is?

>>22709334

Dude travels from one end of New York City to the other. Stuff occurs in between. I'm only on page 25.

>>22709151
>though it's not the full extent of stupid shit he's pulled.
What other shit has he pulled?

>>22708439
>He has been the easiest person to deal with in my writing career.
What do you even mean by this? Publishing a book is a process that, whether done independently or traditionally, requires substantial time and effort to do well. Of course it would be easier and faster to forgo a contract altogether, or to do zero editing, or to half-ass the formatting and design, but would that be wise? Do you want to end up with a low-quality book that is lazily slapped together (like Ryan has done here), or do you want to create an industry-standard final product that you can be proud of? When someone is trying to take advantage of you, they will obviously do everything possible to be accommodating and make the process “easy.” A shady person will take all sorts of shortcuts. When copyright and money are involved, it is far more desirable to put in the extra time and effort to take all necessary steps and precautions.

>99% of small presses that use KDP don't do contracts at all.
Just because the writing scene is rife with sketchy vanity press scams that operate in a legal gray area doesn’t mean that you should copy those practices and forgo a contract. And if you use KDP, let’s be honest: you have no business referring to yourself as a small press.


>I could be fucked by a pauper or I could be fucked by a prince.
Why put yourself in a position to get fucked over at all? Fundamentally, why do you want to enter into a contract with someone who is known to be insolvent and unreliable? The sunk cost fallacy is on display here.

>I have no reason to not trust him. You might because of whatever drama you may hold close to your heart. I do not.
You’re okay with someone bullying and mistreating others as long as they are not personally targeting you? Sad mentality.

>>22709443

>he said mean things on the internet
>he uses recreational drugs
>he creates literary magazines and offers them as a free PDF
>he is akin to Hitler

>>22709563
>ignores legitimate questions and criticism
>responds with a laughably pathetic version of the straw man fallacy
I’m starting to doubt that you’re even capable of critical thinking.

>>22709244
Refusing to engage is a hallmark of someone who knows that he has lost an argument and doesn’t want to lose face or admit that he is in the wrong.

>>22709371
NYC...long or short blocks?
does it take place in modern day or sometime in the past?

>>22709959

Long. A mixture of the 1980s and early 2000s depending where he is.

>>22709963
so is he like homeless and literally walking from Inwood all the way to the financial district over the course of 20+ years?

>>22709978

Not exactly. Look for the release in 2024. Most likely from Lamp Standard Press ;-)

How's he doing these days?

>>22710054

>>22709244
Why wouldnt you just submit to a small tradpub press like the one that published Woolston? Your a good enough writer for it

>>22710054
Fuck off Card, everyone hates you

>>22710054
You look like Dr Who if Dr Who was a power bottoming faggot with delusions of intellectual ability and literary talent.

>>22710702
kek

>>22710322
You act as if he hasn't been getting rejected from those for years now.

>>22710322
>>22711309
Why would he, a Freedom-Lover, submit to some bumfuck Australian publisher (also printing with Lulu, btw)?

>>22710322
Woolston’s “publisher” is barely a step up from the Lamp Scamdard KDP operation. I read the info on their site (Truth Serum Press), and he’s getting a raw deal. The publishing operation is run by one guy out of his spare room, they exclusively use Print-On-Demand (Lulu and Amazon), and their website is sketchy and unprofessional as fuck. They have a whole section about contracts: Woolston gets zero advance on his book, and 20% royalties on net profits, not on standard retail price (increases by 10% for each subsequent book he releases with them), so 20% of whatever the publisher makes from Lulu. They also own the rights to his book in perpetuity. They upload his book to Ingram so that bookstores can order it (note: this is something you can do yourself, for a fee) but they don’t work with distributors or have a marketing team or anything, and their website even says that authors are expected to take responsibility for marketing their own books. This means that he might end up being able to shill his book to a couple of local bookstores who will buy a few copies because it relates to rural Australian culture, but he has essentially no chance of ever getting his book into larger booksellers. His publisher has also pivoted to exclusively publishing anthologies (for which they don’t pay contributors anything, or even offer them a free copy), so it’s not like Woolston can even publish another book with them to take advantage of the increased royalty percentage on subsequent releases. Woolston goes around bragging about being traditionally published, but don’t be fooled: he makes fuck-all money from his books and has to work full time, plus a second job at KFC to make ends meet. There’s a reason he shills his shit 24/7. A contract like that seems like such an obviously shitty arrangement that he’d probably be better off self-publishing. He’d be putting in the same amount of work marketing, and would at least be keeping all of his profits.

>>22711492
kek is this true? its so over for Woolston

>>22709984

>being critiqued by people who don't read
>it matters

>>22711524
This is obviously RJC because of the retard spacing. All you do is seethe about how your critics don’t read or write, despite the fact that you have absolutely no idea whether or not that’s true. It’s a deflection, and a pathetic one at that, because it’s so obviously disingenuous. If someone who isn’t a writer and hasn’t read a book since high school decided to read Shards and left you a glowing review, you’d eat up their praise like candy. But the second someone is even slightly critical of you or one of your Discord buddies, you cover your ears and scream “you’re not a writer, you’re not a reader!”

Besides, this isn’t about the quality of your book or Woolston’s book: the topic at hand is publishing, and the associated concerns regarding contracts and copyright. Someone’s ability to evaluate the merits of a contract has nothing to do with how much fiction they read. It’s clear that you’re unable to actually refute your critics, so fuck off.

>>22711627
Scamming's part of the business. Hartley's a latter-day Girodias

>>22711627

That wasn't me. However, you are not criticizing my book, you're criticizing me. Read my book and then I'll listen to your criticism about the book. Your criticism of me or how I go about doing business with my book. It's none of your concern. And I can't believe I have to keep telling grown adults that I'm done talking about it.

>>22711804
Translation:
>The smug retard you’re responding to totally wasn’t me, haha, why would you think that? I totally didn’t get scammed by Hartley, and even if I did get scammed it’s none of your concern anyway, so stop making me look stupid by asking basic questions and pointing out the truth, guys! Just go buy my overpriced book full of typos so that I can maybe get my $1.50 at some contractually unspecified future date, if by some miracle Hartley actually follows through and doesn’t squander the money on crack first! Stop pointing out that Lamp Scamdard is a pyramid scheme, because that really fucks with my ability to recruit new suckers and get a cut of their royalties! I’m totally done talking about it and it has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t refute anything you’re saying, that’s just a coincidence!

The complete lack of critical thinking skills or self-awareness that you’ve been displaying in these threads doesn’t exactly give me a lot of confidence in your abilities as a writer, Robert. So no, I won’t be buying your book. And if you’re done talking about it then fuck off.

can
anyone
link
me
the complete work of God 2

>>22711950
There is a pdf of it in this mega of /lit/ related writing

https://mega.nz/folder/Seo1kSBa#3WmesL71uxmNLA6jzqbuvg

>>22711804
Your mistake is assuming you are talking to sensible grown adults. You are not.
You are interacting with autistic, socially stunted and maladjusted NEETs and nerds of the worst kind.
They don't hate your book because it's bad, they haven't read it. They don't hate you because you did something to them, they've never met you.
They hate you and your book because you had the balls to go do something in life and attempt something worthwhile. The mere act of having a go at life is a damning indictment on their own pathetic existences and they can't handle it. So they try and tear you down.
Don't waste time on them. Don't waste time on /lit/ anymore. It's not a place for people who are actually trying to achieve something. It's a piss puddle for losers.

>>22712064
>search image MD5
>posts defending Woolston
>posts shilling Unreal Press
>now this pathetic attempt and lifting RJC above his critics
What sort of sad existence do you live?

>>22712190
He's here because RJC pinged the discord asking for help.

>>22712064
>Andrew McGahan.jpg
kek, just looking on warosu it's clear right away that you're an unrealie who keeps jumping out of the woodwork to defend your discord brethren. 'anyone who criticizes you is just jealous' is the weakest possible cope. you're in denial
>Don't waste time on /lit/ anymore. It's a piss puddle for losers.
and yet you've crept out of your discord hugbox to post here with the rest of us

>>22711492
Woolyheads...

>>22712258
what happens next? I'm emotionally invested now

>>22711881
KEK

>>22712258
Is this the new Farmer?

>>22712346
Yes, it's as funny as the first one

>>22712360
I’m waiting for someone to post a PDF

>>22712367
Nobody's sent Farmer feet pics yet so until then it's paperback or wait.

>>22712375
What’s his email? I’ll be the sacrificial lamb

>>22712380
Based, anon. Spread the gospel to the masses.
girlfriendfarmer@gmail.com. I assume he'll check if he lurks.

>>22712398
I will send gf feet pics this week or bust

While Ari is correct to be skeptical of this contract, the whole thing is a moot point. If Hartley or just about anyone wanted to steal your art, they could and you wouldn't do shit about it. Copyright is only as strong as the force you're willing to put into defending it. The legal system doesn't immediately buckle and sway under something so insignificant as an objective truth signed by both parties. It will be a long fought battle down a winding path that the vast majority of you are too stupid and poor to navigate.
Instead, the real issue we have here is another example of the faggot play-pretend that so many of our authors keep losing themselves in. Robert didn't sign on with Hartley due some brotherly camaraderie or a mutually beneficial relation that would have the both of them find a living wage from their passions. He did it because he didn't want the embarrassing title of "self published author" and decided that an obvious short cut was the solution. These play-pretend creators are all around us.
>Card signing on with a vanity publisher
>Card purchasing a YouTube channel with 5000 subscribers
>Woolston's fake publishing
>Unreal Press Podcast purchasing views on their first video (if certain people are to be believed)
>RJC
Though I have to commend Hartley, he sees an opportunity to take advantage of retards with more ego than brains and he's jumping at it. It's almost inspirational to see such an entrepreneur in action—though this time I'm going to hold my tongue on the praise. I commended you last time for your ability to herd cats, and now that I've checked back in on you a couple months later, you've nearly been mauled to death by those same cats.

>>22712258
who has a pdf of the new G Farmer
i NEED it

>>22712473
is that the Nostalgia Critic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPZjNvI-LXQ

I'm going to have my novel traditionally published by a reputable publisher instead of all this other stuff.

>>22712542
You're like 4 years too late on that train, Card.

>>22712258
>the short, single-question "organic interest" for Empyreum and the Farmer shite
Flashbacks to the Lamp Standard announcement thread.

The Farmer stuff is Ryan's, stamped with the &amp logo if you check the rear, for which he shills just about as much as Gardner does. It's actually fucking nuts how dedicated he is to shilling it, latching on to every one of Gardern's own shill attempts. If you check for duplicates in the archive this is what you get:
>warosu.org/lit/image/8yTT0FfDqNAOUEm+jLsn5A
That's 75 posts using the exact same image, lots with the same post content, and only since June. Probably just a fraction of his posts about it. This is the same dude who had a meltdown while kissing Gardner's toes in another thread in the last week or two. I don't even think it's as much of a hate thing as it is a desperate cash-grab.

And pic related is an email I received recently, during one of Ryan's freak-outs, claiming to be the author of one of the books that was scrubbed from the Lamp Standard page after the Atlas stuff came out. Previously the blurb was still up if you went to the right URL, but even that's removed now.

The email that sent me this one is really bizarre. Wasn't the usual username style thing, but akin to something like "PayHereUSD@etc.com". Not only that, but the name on the account sure as shit wasn't "Casca". Of course, this could be someone with an odd email, but if my memory serves the weird email was one that I saw while I had access to the &amp account, having been some old alt Ryan used for I dunno what. So this was Ryan in a panic trying to save face or maybe trying to bait me into something.

I never got a response, of course. If the actual author is out there, send me an email. On the slim chance this was the real author, I'd take something like a forward of an old, nondescript email exchange with Ryan as proof.

I know for a fact that Ryan didn’t write Call of United Airlines. Whoever wrote it dedicated the work to the public domain, so he just ripped the text from a PDF someone shared and republished the book on Amazon with Lamp Standard branding added.

Incidentally, spelling fuck as “fuxk” is something that he does constantly. Take from that what you will.

>Ari x Atlas team up is in full effect
You love to see it.

>>22713018
You'd think the new Farmer'd be published by Lamp, but it isn't…

>>22713128
Again, save it for a publication. Would be gud. Same goes for you KRH (maybe &amp??).

>>22713038
>>22713116
Wow! Exposed.

Is there a website that has all of the issues of PINECONE

>>22713204
They’re all in the MEGA linked in >>22712030

>>22712473
If someone is set on being swindled, whether because they're naïve or because they've got an ego or whatever, yeah, it's going to happen. But the stuff with Ryan comes with the extra scumbag move of having actually done something good for a while. Him taking what was a decent, legitimate-ish project and then pivoting to take advantage of the goodwill is a dickbag move, especially when it comes with his comical bullshit about trying to bring people together, uplift writers, start a movement, etc.

If you look long enough at it, it's clear bullshit, but someone getting roped in from their good impression of &amp is going to go through stages leading up to getting ripped off. Consider especially that getting involved in Lamp Standard was first pitched, and is still stated on the website, as entirely free. Yet somehow the very first guy to try it out ends up taking (if he's lucky) a 50% cut.

>>22709443
It was the thing with Atlas, which wasn't just
>I don't like Atlas, don't let her in.
I'd told him there was some really serious stuff going on, enough for me to go to the police, and that it was still persistent. I told him I was worried it'd start happening through &amp again. He acted nice and conciliatory, but was also pretty weird at that point.

Later on Atlas sent him an email to try and contact me, which he replied to before I got out my own asking him to ignore it; he said he would from then on, but because I had access to his email I saw that he had forwarded his email chain with Atlas to one of his private accounts. I didn't say anything about it because by then it had become pretty clear Ryan was screwed up, plus it wasn't something I felt safe to intervene in.

There's lots of in-between, but someone told me that he'd more or less taken her on as his protégé, which (along with other things), lead me to suspect that something fucked up was going on in the background. Other people seemed to clue in as well (given the grooming accusations that came up later, which I wasn't the one to start). Not only that, but he was encouraging her towards things that could have had legal repercussions or wound up that way (meaning the shit involving me), which is fucked up in itself.

The problems with Atlas stopped in July, and it's stayed that way since then. But having a crazy egomaniac influencing the unstable person that had been obsessed with me was unfun, and it's clear that recently he's been trying to manipulate and terrify her back into a state like that again. Beyond Ryan's personal love for dogging vulnerable women, I've had the thought for a long time that he also saw it as a way to scare me into putting up with him. But that last part might just be paranoia.

>>22713179
Could be what was posted above about it being a matter of no copyright. Arguably makes it scummier.


I'd bet fifty cents the thread gets dogpiled tonight.

>>22713212
Thanks you !

>>22713212
Wait does Pine only have two issues ?

>>22713326
Nah, there are four. This folder has them all:
https://mega.nz/folder/r0Vz3SjI#V5xr4mNOqzpRMx2Rq7gSMw

For some reason 00000 print edition and 420 aren't on the website or in the older Mega.

>>22713342
Yea I got confused because I didn't find 420 in the website and mega, Thanks

>>22713342
>>22713346
that website, i promise, will never be updated

>>22702548

>>22713576
>This site was designed with WIX.com website builder.
Beautiful.

>>22713640
>still no Ideology PDFs

Was &amp even mid?

>>22713661
Occasional highs and lots of lows. I remember being excited when it came back with issue 15 and showing it to a buddy of mine, but there was this moment where I looked at my friend, then looked back at the page, and thought "man, this kind of blows." There I was talking about how cool I thought it was, and after holding onto that feeling for nearly a year it was just disappointing.

>>22713806
Lol that reply. Not one specific good thing huh?

Tier 5.
December.
I promise I’m gonna get our authors some attention outside of /lit/.

>>22713843
?
Things were good sometimes, and even some of 15 was nice, but it didn't live up to my expectations. &amp always seemed to be trying this "bad on purpose" look, but never nailed down a style outside of that. All of the best pages in 15 were the simple ones.

>>22713870
jfc dude

>>22713242
I feel for you. Atlas is a genuine article cognitohazard.

>>22713992
Why would you even say that???

>>22714011
Why are you pretending to be me you’re not you’re not me why are you pretending to be me why are you doing this why??? Just leave me alone????I can’t deal with this just leave me alone okay just stop why are you fucking with my head?,,,please stop I can’t

>>22713992
I never wa nted to be a cog ni to hazard I’m sorry, like I’m so sorry llike what i did to Ari before it was really bad of me like really. Really Bad of me but I’m so sorry for that and my intentions were good in the beginning bc I cared so much and wanted tobe there to help him with everything and talk to him like I used to and make him happier I never wanted to hurt him or make him scared ever or make him not feel safe and I didn’t understand he saw I t that sa y but after a while it spiralled out of control and turned bad, and then after I found out he was upset by it I tried to stop I wanted to stop so badly so it could be over but it was so hard to stop and I would resolve to stop every day but I felt like I couldn’t stop okay because I rlly needed him like you font understand and nothing else would soothe me and eventually I did something rly dec eptiveand made him paranoid and made him feel burdened because I wasn’t thinking right I didn’t realize it was hurting him like that because I could only think about how much I was hurting abd how sad I was and I just wanted to feel better and fix things, i m sorry okay I didn’t want to do any thing to be a cognitohazard I’m just a perso n like everyone else I feel so bad about everything I did i hate that I did it and I never set out to do that I never meant to deceive him orha rass him or make him upset in the beginning and I never wanted to hurt him at all I just wanted to fix things but he only thinks my inte nation s we re bad and scary I do my know why?But it is real and it’s tru e everythin n he said in sep tem brr it’s true I’m so sorry when I would do those things I just was hurting so much and I needed to talk to him so badly that all I could think was I had to keep trying and trying and trying to call him and text him because maybe if I kept trying he would answer sometime and then the awful strain on my mind would finally ease and the bad feeling would go away at last and I wouldn’t have to be scared all the time anymore like trying to talk to him felt like the only hope i had left and it just spiralled bc the more upset and scared I was the harder it became for me to stop because I just needed him even more when I felt scared because nothing else would soothe me?? Th s voicema.ils werent meant to be scary they weren’t meant to be like a hotror movie iwas just so sad and crying andI need ed to talk to him so badly please you don’t understand I have to takeresponsibility for what Idid because I didsomething inexcusable and I regret it so much?? I’m so sorry I m not a cognitohazard

>>22714083
huh?

>>22714083
Here we go again

>>22711492
How can you tell when a small press publishes using KDP? Are they up front about it?

>>22713116
Isn't that stealing?

>>22714083
Its okay my girl

>>22714083
Is this Hartley trying to wreck the thread? Atlas seemed fine when she posted earlier so I'm skeptical that this sort of thing would happen so abruptly.

>>22714262
Why would you even say that????

>>22714083
>cog ni to hazard

>>22714262
I.M sorry I’m always trying to not wreck the thread because every one will hate me and lose respect for me again and think I’m not at all well and think ryanwas right but it was all true in the doc all of it was true about Ryan he rly did all of those things and it scared me so badly now I’m trying so hard but I Can’t get better I can’t I m losing it again and I try to be no rmal and pretend everythings okay when I’m at class lbut nothing is okay likenothing helps me at all im tr ying but it’s not getting better l just always Need to talk to ari and ever since he came back in September to the threads I feel like I’m going crazy again because all I do is obsess over all the threa ds and I can’t stop thinking about it and missing him and reading his posts and wanting to talk to him? And I know I shouldnt so I try to make myself stop because he’ll be angry and make them do legalconsequrncrs anc I’m so scared of them but why it so hard to stop and What’s real or not real i can’t tell,like I need no apologies or explanation s it’s time to move on, was that one reall? or she is like the other girls exactly fucking like them was that one real and what did it mean that he’s mad and he hates me a lot ??? I can’t focus on anything els e Now Like ki can’t figure out which ones are real and not real???) like was it rly PrestiaGiving me advice to go to the police about Ryan or was it Ari like someone said they thought it was Ari and it did sound exactly like ariTrying to hide the writing style with too many exclamation points but why does he want to give me advice if he only hates me???and I asked près tia on dis cord was it you in the thread but Prestia wouldnt reply and Ari said they were emailing eachother tha t Day i don’t knowWhy so I don’t know what’s real anymore I’m going fuckin g nuts I’m so sorry and i don’t know what’s real or not real ifhewas the one who said he felt guilty for being upset bc he knew I meant well and how much i lovedhim and it was a moment of frustration for him which is allowed or what And they don’t want to help me the police like he said they would want to help me but they Re very angry they just want to hurt me and make me scared Like after they came and terrorizedme and I was crying and crying in the kitchen InMy pyjamas and thy were being mad and looking at me with disgust somethingbad happened inside my head and i was never the same after that I justlost it it was like it was too horrible to be real I couldn’t process what was happening a nd my mind couldn’t work anymore the same wa y it u sed to like I had been Hanging on by a thread and i wanted him to talk to me and he said he wouldand for a little while I had hope but then he just made them do it and the thread I was hanging on by just snap ped and now everyone thinks I’m crazy but I was never unstable before lastyear I used to be okay I don’t know why

>>22714358
meds

>>22714370
I always ta ke the medicine okay every day i take it but it never rly helps me it just makes me sleepy and thi nk slow sometimes or it makes my thoughts all tangled and fast sometimes like i see the counselor all the time too it never even helps me i tried accelerated resolution therapy so many times it has a 99% succès rate she said but did not work like she wanted me to do it instead of talk therapy because I like could nt even talk about wha t happened because I felt so ashamed anc talking about it I would just cry and I wouldnt be able to speak anymore ?? So s he said talk therapy couldn’t rly help me because I could not talk about it enough to get anybenefit so it can’t be dealt wit h by professionsls like he says it need ed to be dealt with by professional s but they can’t help and the accelerated resolution therapy they said would 99% fix me didn’t even help or resolve anything i tried over and over and went to the appointment s but it just made me worse because part of the process is you have to go through and visualize all the bad memories of what happened and reimmersec yourself in those mémories and it hurts so much to do that and go back to when I was crying and crying in the doorway of my apartment and latertrying to make myself be dead because I couldn’t live with the bad images in my mindand then being in the hospital with people trying to pr y inside my head and then outside in February inthe middle of the night crying in the cold dark in the snow for hours and hiding and hiding in the basement all day because they were looking for me like no where was sa fe anymore e and I had to relive it all so many times that I lcouldnt stand it then the second part of it is where they make you identify the bad feeling and name where it is but I couldn’t name it enough and they use REM to desensitize you to the bad memories so thinking about them doesn’t hurt you anymore but the desensitization never even worked for me even though I tried so many Tim e s every time i would just spend a n hour reliving all the worst memories with no relief afterwards so I would just feel ten times worse after the therapy and then I would go home and feel so upset and like triggered that I would just give in and text him again and he would think I was being mad and trying to har rass him and make a tirade against him but I was nt trying to be scary or mad I was just so so upset and hurting that I couldn’t stand it I wasn’t thinking strai ght I’m so sorry ?? like he said he hoped it would iimprove only so he cld be leftalone but mycondition doesn’t even ever improve and Im scared i can never never move beyond this never even though i want to forget so he can be left alone but I can’t and the more I try to make myself not do it the worse it is when eventually I can’t hold it in anymore please why???? Fuck I’m sosorry

>>22714419
How come you randomly get spergy like this?

>>22714419
Meds. No one will ever love you at this rate.

What does Atlas look like? I'm curious.

>>22715159
not a ton of pics but here's a decent one

>>22715352
Are you posting a fake to get people to shut up?
Or is this to add credibility to fake lewd shit later?

Deep schizo territory, boys.

>>22715380
literally what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>22715464
>disputing &amp itself
>probably posting pics from a /b/ or /soc/ thread
Issue 016, my man. There's a self portrait on the wall and any savvy anon can check the archives for the post. Or pull out your skin color swatch and check this thumb.

Where were you when Shards won the F Games?

>>22715464
Much prettier. White goddess

>>22715498
Now THAT'S Schizo shit lol. I actually know who the drawing is of too. I take it you're not involved with &amp at all. Seriously what are you doing with your life?

>>22715521
>editor huffing copium

>>22715519
Brooooo :'''''( my nose is so crooked

Ryan is doing everything he can to drum up an excuse to post Atlas’ real face.

>>22715707
>running cover this hard because it's posted multiple times with receipts in this thread
get a life faggot she will never fuck you

She’s going to drop out of college any time now. Then she’ll really be in danger of suicide.

>112 mentions
well now I practically have to read it

>>22716207
>drop out of college
>become mentally ill homeless black woman
Fitting end for her after shitting on Ryan for doing recreational drugs.

Every single one of you should be chemically castrated.

Alright, so the editor's game plan is probably
>search for random chick with nudes online
>say thanks to the guys over at the girl next door threads on /b/
>samefag asking for the Atlas doxx
>post normal pics of random chick
>continue samefagging about it being Atlas
>eventually dump nudes of random chick
>"OMG ATLAS!"
>eat a three-day
>repeat as necessary
>enjoy gloating over the fact that you totally owned some mentally ill chick
>also gloat pretending you were actually suave enough to get nudes

>>22716218
>crack
>fentanyl
>recreational
What fun life is with no teeth, and better yet when your heart rate is at 5 BPM out behind the clean needle clinic.

>>22715464
fake. the Unrealfags reposted a cum tribute of her real facepic a shitload of times, it's easy to find in the archive

>>22716330
and compare that pic to the portrait in >>22715498

>>22716213
SHARE IT PLEASE

>>22716311
Hartley is pulling some gay ops shit ITT. I'm betting that spamming fake Atlasposts was part of his lead up to dumping the fakedoxx he's been gathering

>>22716378
you gotta email the guy a picture of your feet

>>22716401
Absolutely. The fact that he actually published proof of her real doxx in an issue of &amp makes it laughably stupid, on top of the fact that Atlas said he'd try it when she outed him. But maybe he's so far gone that his own samefagging convinces him that it's believable.

I've been wondering whether he'll ditch /lit/ for good at some point. I remember hearing he was waiting for the fake threads to die to post an "official" one, but that never came about. The last few months of shilling on Reddit, Instagram, and Twitter (and probably Discord) point to him jumping ship, and I can't imagine an &amp thread happening without a deluge of shit-talking and an eventual Lamp Brand meltdown.

It also looks like he also takes to Instagram to schizo out, on top of tagging Musk on Twitter. lmao at pic related, and neat to see which pics he was probably reusing on here. Looks like he's headed into real Jason Bryan territory of incoherent schizodom.

>>22716351
>>22716330
schizofag samefagging like everyone who actually worked on &amp doesn't know....

like???????????????????????? []spoiler]BYE BOOMERS[/spoiler]

>>22716481
Save it for your Twitter.

>>22703778
I'd be down for an annotated "Learned Disguise"

>>22716401
the schizo rants with no paragraph breaks from last night were obv written by atlas, but posting pics of some random chick has got to be gay ops by editorfag. the guy is a genuine retard. if hes gonna try to pull off this bs then how does he not even have the sense to use pics of a girl that resembles her real doxx a bit?

>>22716480
I would still enjoy another &amp issue even with all the shitposting

>>22716523
huh

>>22716555
Twitter is in vogue for vague editor ramblings and shilling.

>>22716545
I don't buy that it was Atlas posting all that shit. She seemed fine when she was in the thread a few hours earlier. Hartley was pretending to be her in the last thread anyway, so it tracks that he would do it again

>>22716614
agreed, kenneth is desperate and lashing out

Literally atlas lmao this filters the fakefags

>>22716622
Are you jewish? do you find this attractive lmao

>>22716614
It was that way in the spring too. There'd always be a switch and she'd go from normal to crazy, plus it was all over /wwoym/ for a long time. You can blame Ryan for trying to push her over the edge, but I don't doubt it was her given how specific some of it was (unless Ryan was keeping super detailed notes on what she told him). If you don't believe me, search "can't get calm" in the archive and look back before June. If you look up the misspelling "cant get calm" and look at the result from May 10th it'll actually take you back to the thread with the handpic.

>>22716624
She does have a Jewish uncle, at least that's what I've heard from a little bird.

>>22716624
WTF

>>22716634
(kenneth)
you're fucking 'tarded LMAO (and belong in a asylum)

AHAHAHAHAHA
kenneth bros...

>>22716666
HE POSTED IT AGAIN LLOOLL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAH HA HAHAHA H AHAH HAH AH HAH AHA H HAHAHAH AH AH

>>22716632
why would you do this do you think this is funny why would you tell e veryond to searc h for that please stop??? I’m sorry please im sorry why are you doi ng this? do you rlly think that it’s funny to say I’m crazy and call me some mentally I’ll chick and make everyone laugh at me be I ng upset in the spring ?im sorry Like please I’m so sorry but why are you doing this? Please st op im sorry please stop please stop like I do nt understand why you are doing this

>>22702479
>>22715352
>>22715464
Why dox? to what end? This just isn't the way we do shit. My face without my name? Why? What's wrong with you??

>>22716699
Samefag. Do you like gefilte fish?

>>22716699
stop that’s not me you’re not me just stop??? Just leave me alone??????? Just stop okay just leave me alone you’re not me why are you doing this just stop,???? Like stop fucking with my head okay I can’t stand it okay just stop please,????

>>22716710
Log off, unironically

>>22716717
I cant okay im sorry i have to look at the threads I have to and I try to stop but I can’t stop like it’s so hard for me to not obsess over the threads like I m sorry I can’t

>>22716724
At least use punctuation. JUST LOG OFF

>>22716728
why do you think this is funny I’m sorry??? Like I can’t I already told you I have to I can t just do it okay im sorry

>>22716738
>not using punctuation
Ebin XD

>>22714476
I do nt know I don’t know??? I’m so rry I’m sorry why, I don’t know? Ryan kind of sto pped me fro m Doing it for a while he would get rly rly mad andjealous and say a lot of mean and nasty things if he knew I was beingupset over Ari and I was very scared of ryan being angry at me bc he can be rly scary when he’s mad Butnow I feel scared ever day all the time bc rysn keeps emailing me saying are you okay or was it you in the thread but I can’t tell him bc he threatened to do rly bad things to me and now I’m too afraid to ever talk to dyan again because he ismean and always lies a nd manipulâtes and plays bad tricks so I have no one to talk to at all?? And i did such a bad thing to ari I’m sorry I Wasn’t angery abt being ignoredI was terrified an d I felt powerless theyre not synonymous fear and anger for me not really and i wasn’t trying to gloat I was just very afraid because that was the same day in April they went to my parentshouse and my parents were like calling meleaving voicemails asking if Iwas suicidal I couldn’t answer the phone bc i was so ashamed and I had no safe places left I knew they were looking for me everywhere in every city with their gun s to cuff anddrag me and hurt me a lot I was so scaredI didn’t really mean any of it and it was like the worst thing I ever said fuck I’m so sorry i I would never ever have actually gone through with it irl never ever would have don e it wasn’t trying to gloat or threatn I would give anything to take it back I did nt rly think hishair curlooked bad just he said things that rly hurt my feelings a lot before and i lashedout bc i was rlly terrified? i was totally in the wrong and I provoked him and made him angry and scared fuck I’m sorry i would give anything to undo that I didn’t mean it at all and I’m sorry iI don’t know why I did it I never used to ever be like this before?? Like wh en i first me t him i was tota lly normal but af terwards the sadness made me crazy Like I’m not evil please ondis cord what I did before I didn’t plan it in the beginning i had just missed him for so longand I couldnt stop thinking about abd wanting to talk to him and then at first I didn’t say anything at all therebut once i saida little impulsivelie I couldn’t stop because I had been longing to talk to him again for so long and if he rly knew he wouldn’t and I kn ew it was so wrong of me and I tried to stop so many times bc I do have a conscience but it was so hard bc I had been so sad for so long abd nothing felt good but then talking to him again felt so good that i just wanted it and wanted it all the time but i always felt guilty every day I wanted to confess to him so badly but I was tooscared i didnt mea b to hurt him please like what I did was horrible I don’t understand why I did it? Why did I do it and lie I dont know why but I couldnt stop and it was so scary to lose control like that but i do have a conscience imso sorry

>>22717005
>no punctuation
XD you're SooOOOO random and crazy!!

>>22717013
Just stop, okay?????? Please just stop saying that, why are you saying that???

>>22717020
>being this predictable
stop posting walls of text you're not good at imitating voices

>>22717005
What are your honest thoughts about Lewis Woolston?

>>22717030
Just stop just leave me alo ne just at op just leave me alone,????? Y ou don’t believe me why I. Don’t know but just stop maki g dumb greentext comoments and reply inf and leave me alone stop doing this???? I’m not imita ti ng any one stop ????

>>22717044
Hey, Atlas, what are your favourite books?

>>22717044
>le random punctuation
>I'M SO GOOD AT IMITATING VOICES
just shut the fuck up man

Atlas

unironically use your next lucid moment to get yourself banned. like you could post a random furry thread and report yourself and that'd be three days of not encouraging Hartley. every time you post on /lit/ you telegraph to Hartley that he's getting to you

and if it's really this serious go to a clinic and voluntarily commit yourself. cut yourself off from all of this so you can explain it to somebody who can actually do something about it. you're just making it worse for yourself by sticking with this.

it's like 5 anons watching these threads, and nobody believes Hartley anyway. he's one step from a schizo spiral about as bad as yours so just get yourself out of here while he talks to himself

>>22717036
I dont rlly think about him as an individual but i will say that his story in &amp018 was rlly bad and also I had to edit out a bunch of mistakes in it, like for example he spelled “aerial” as Arial originally but I fixed it so don’t worry. there were a lot of punctuation errors in it as well and I wanted t o fix them but Ryan uploaded the 018 doc after I went to bed without telling me he was going to so I never got the chance to do my final editing pass, also woolston’s publisher seems like a scammer but maybe I’m wrong about that that’s just my impression from his contract

>>22717065
oh and Hartley's rants about doctors being the devil was so he could keep you crazy and easy to manipulate. straight cult brainwashing tactics.

>>22717065
>>22717070
truth.

RJC here,

Just letting everyone know that Shards is available on Kindle/Kindle Unlimited if you were interested in reading it and not paying the exorbitant "paywall" that most of you have complained about. Please honestly review and let me know what you think. Thanks.

>>22717079
>Please honestly review and let me know what you think
>too poor to send out free reviewers' copies like every other press
kek

>>22717069
What are your honest thoughts about RJC?

>>22717084
He's giving Ryan 50% of the profits to do that through whatever unwritten deal they've got. The first review has some conflict of interest, however.

>>22717089
RJC, have you officially come out of the closet?

>>22717095
>reviewed by: Ryan
oh no no no....

>>22717089
i don’t rlly like him because he is alwa ys shilling and argu Ing in these threads and I read his story in tlq and it wasnt even good and his one in &amp was soulless also he talks about himself all the time and he said shakespeare was trash and his favourite book was by Stephen king which suggests that he has questionable taste also he called me transgender once which was like rly uncalled for bc I m not?? plus he said I’m a liar and that the Googledoc wasn’t true but tb h he’s just brainwashed by Ryan and is in denial so he doesn’t rlly know any better anyway i still feel rlly bad for him if Ryan swindles him because no one rlly deserves that eve n if they are a shill

>>22717115
>skips over the actual advice post
reread it 5 times

>>22717115
read >>22717065 and >>22717070 and then leave

>>22717065
I m not a furry why would I pos t a furry threa d ?? I cant commit my self I cant i m too scared ? I tr ied bef ore in February bu t i jus t cried out side for hours and I could nt go in bec ause im too scared ? I have to go to school an y way I have finals so soon so I can’t be locked in the clinic? What do you mean they can actually do something all the y did before was give me medicine but I was still scared??? I’m not a schizo i had a psych eval and dr young said I showed no signs of schizophrenia?? I’m not BPD like people keep saying in these threads either according to his evaluation I didn’t have that??? I can t cut my self off like I don’t even know who you are How do I know this isn’t bad adv ice from Ryan pretending to help and trying to trick me again???

>>22717115

I don't know why I keep getting called a shill. Am I supposed to write a book and not tell anyone about it ever if it's available for sale? Sounds kinda weird. Lol

>>22717144
>avoiding the point this hard
stop posting here and go to another doctor. you need a prozac to stabilize your mood swings (not an insult).
everyone knows kenneth is a faggot crackhead at this point, your posts aren't helping

>>22717145
okay but no one asked??? no one asked about your book ever you just showed up to talk about it unprompted?((??? buy an ad,????? im sorry the c over turned out likr that but i bet if you buy an ad someone might still buy it anyway maybe I f you r lucky they might

>>22717154
It's literally not Atlas it's just some well studied discord fag.

>>22717159
Yeah, probably
even so, definitely some medication needed

>>22717157

Unprompted...on a literature board...think about that and get back to me. Thanks.

>>22717166
>too poor to buy ads unlike Frank
Frank owns your closeted ass

>>22717154
I ta ke my meds every day I don’t even have mood swings i just get really anxious sometimes and my thoughts are racing a lot? I can’t take your advice because you could be rysn trying to trick me every day all the time??? Like he wants me to go away so I can’t expose him,,?

>>22717159
I’m not even in any Discord servers now rlly I left the Discord server after rysn told me to kill myselg,?? And I deleted the &am p one im not a Discor d fag i am the real Atlas??? Stop saying lies???

>>22717144
>doing this for over a year
>clearly not getting better
>deranged schizo actively trying to put you over the edge
You need clinical help. "Too scared" is because you're afraid of getting cut off from the dopamine kick of following Ari around in every thread. You have spent a fucking YEAR doing this shit. Do you think you're going to pass those exams publicly blowing your top every night while a sociopath harasses you anonymously? Do you think it's ever going to get better if you keep searching for every trace of Ari until your brain explodes? You're on a dark downward spiral and you're ignoring it. You've had somebody call the police on you because of this already. I bet the last time you went to the clinic you didn't tell them you had spent the last six months harassing someone and that it derailed your life.

It doesn't matter how bad it is in the moment. You need to cut yourself off from all of this nonsense and get help for as long as it takes. Right now you're setting yourself up for a lifetime of instability. Missing a semester of school doesn't matter if the alternative is being terminally insane.


>>22717159
>>22717162
I'd say the odds are fifty fifty.

>>22717171
Post with trip.

>>22717171
>not calling him kenneth
>not taking xanax
>not just lurking here
>making posts that sound like discord raiding
if you keep responding I'll know it's discord.

>>22717166
ok ay but like your book isn’t literature because literature means written works of superior or lasting artistic merit?? That’s what my professor said in foundations of literary study? So since your book came out a week ago it doesn’t rlly have lasting merit and I don’t think it’s superior based on the description and your prose quality in &amp and tlq? so you can’t rlly say it’s literature and also advertising is illegal here so pls think rcj anyway leave me alone???

>it's real
holy fuck get out of this shithole

Atlas Can you PLEASE stop posting and just lurk? do you even know how to report posts????

>>22717065
You know who the real loser is in all of this is? Me. I am so fantastically uninterested in Atlas. I am bored into cardiac arrest by Hartley's drama. There's all these tomes, the length of a fucking epic, between these two spatting back and forth. Or so I think. See, I'm not even sure. I don't even know the full story of everything. What? You're going to recommend me to a forty page google doc written by one party defaming the other? Hang on. Just, wait a minute here. The fuck do I care? The fuck do ANY of you care? Drama. Discord drama. Between two retards. This place put in a theater stage and is eating popcorn. And I just don't care. Atlas! I don't care about you. I have the vaguest understandings of who you are but I know enough to know I should know even less about you. Hartley. Ryan. I like &amp. But for God's sake, however far you're involved in all of this, please, please for the love of God stop. I can't take it anymore. You two and your feud, it is so horrifically, traumatically, insufferably boring. I am so sick of these buzzword names text blocking. Each of you just fuck off into Oblivion. A man can only watch paint try for so long and I have had enough.

>>22717196
crackhead canadian schizophrenic gets rejected by a girl with some issues
500 posts later here we are

>>22717178
I wasn’t trying to harass him why would you say that???? Why would you say that ev en ???? I m sorry Why would you say that I wasn’t trying to do it ok ay I m so sorryi wasn’t trying to I never wa nted it to be like this okay why are you Mad and why do you say that???????? It s not a cop o u t I can’t do it????? I. Cant do it)?????? I cant do it)????! I can not go there they ate going to do bad things to me I can’t?????

>>22717201
go to a fucking clinic. nothing bad is going to happen in a clinic but if you stay here on this downward spiral you're going to end up committing a murder-suicide

>>22717179
He doesn’t eve n go by Kenneth because that’s also his dad’s name???? He on ly goes by his middle name Ryan and he always has his whole life???? You don’t even know anything??!

>>22717201
>telling the doctor you have anxiety and you need xanax is going to kill you
Get a fucking grip yo

>>22717207
He doesn't go by kenneth because it's a name for gay nerds and barbie's castrated boyfriend.

>>22717206
Wh y would you say that I ha ve never hurt anyone I never would I never hurt anyt one ever and I never would(????? I would never murder anyone why would you say that I never would do that kind of thing ????? Im not a violent person, I hate violence an d I ve never never never physically hurt anyone ever)????? Im never going to ever hurt anyone why would you even think that I wouldn’t do that ever I’m not like ryan(?(???,? I. M not a violent criminal I. NEver would?????

>>22717214
then stop posting unhinged and unpunctuated rants on here. again, do you even know how to report posts?

>>22717209
It's actually
>telling a doctor you obsessively stalked and harassed some dweeb for over a year to the point of having the cops called
which would hopefully get them to take it seriously. Pretty sure there was a suicide attempt in all this too.

>>22717218
You wouldn't need to say all that. You literally just need to say you have major anxiety
it isn't 1992

>>22717218
I ne ver wanted to harass him why would you say that????? Likr k didn’t want to do any thing bad I never wanted to hurt him ever I never wanted to do anything bad??? A nd they mad e me get worse ne cause the y sca red me so much you don’t understand it didn’t have to be like that(??????? I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m so scared of them all the time??(,,

>>22717229
>skips over the post that tells you to stop posting unpunctuated rants and asks you if you even know how to report posts

>>22717218
W hy do you keep saying that why???? You don’t understand like I’m sorry you don’t understand??? I n ever wa rec it to be like this I never wa nted to hurt any one e ver like I try and try to expl ai n but no one can Li stem to wh a t i m saying he di d h t have to. Do t ha t pls i never mea nt to do any thi ng bad i was ne v e r crazy before im sorry i m sorry i m sorry im soo sorry

>>22717240
>keeps skipping over the drama free post that tells you to stop posting unpunctuated rants and asks you if you even know how to report posts
why don't you audition for a soap opera

>>22717240
What are your honest thoughts about Zulu Alitspa?

>>22717218
I n e ver wa s trying t o do that likr i ne ver wanted to do anything bad??? you don’t e ve n know lik e why do you hate me???? I never wa nted to do anything b a d you don’t understand like you don’t understand that I just wanted to fix thing s ??????? Lik e im si rry you don’t understand like you don’t understand why would you say that like why)????? I’m so rry I’m sorry I’m sorry

>>22717247
Wh y are you as King me????? Sto p i don’t know I do not know

>>22717249
I m sooo ko ooky i sp acce out my pos ts l ike this fo r wh atevver reason and am a ddict ed to dra maaaa

>>22717253
Stop,?????? Stop ????? St op???????? Just leave me alone why are you fucking with my head,??????????

>>22717257
N oo l e t m e p o st l i ke this w hi le ig noring every actual g oo d p o s t g i ven to meeee

>>22717257
This is a discord fag. Probably Ryan.

>>22717262
The trip is the right one, and I doubt he got hold of the code.

pee pee poo poo

>>22717218
He did nt have to call them you don’t understand??)???????? You don’t understand?????? Th a t experience of him doin g that was what made w me way worse ??((((???? Tha t was like the worst t hung I have ever experience d he d is nt have to do it you don’t understand????? I t d i dnt help me stop it just made everything worse and I like fully went n uts because if it???? How can you hyst bring that up so flippantly when It traumatiz e d me so badl y you do nt understand?)))?? He did n t have to do it I’m so rry like w hy did they d o that to me he sai d we cou ld talk but the n je didn’t even tell me he changed his mind i was nt trying to harass him I just didn’t k now why? He said I could email him sn d. Then he just did nt respond and would nt even say why or say he had changed his mind and I felt so anxious )??? You don’t understand??? I did ntmran to har rasss him I m not a b a d person I never r wanted it to be like this I don’t know why I’m sorry he didn’t have to do it stop saying that It fu cking destroy e d me p s’y cho logic ally you don’t understand be ca use they wanted to sc are me and hurt me and I was cry Ing and cr ying and I could nt breathe ??,, I never wanted to scare him and I never wanted to hurt him o love d h im you don’t know I just wanted to help I just I m sorry like you don’t know,,,,(?????? I’m not

>>22717289
Stop,?????? Stop ????? St op???????? POS TING LI KE THIS ????

>>22717289
Summer Matinee sucked

>>22717289
>He said I could email him sn d.
>every poster with ari's email is ari
you're an idiot.

>>22717297
N o you don’t know what you’re talking about it wasn’t in a thread he said that to me in an email??? I emailed him and I said please can we talk and he responded agreeing and said I could go ahea d and email him my thoughts???? But then he never replied after that an s I didn’t under stand why and I was so anxious thinking about it ever y day bc i rlly needed to talk do him and I had a panic atta k in the library ????? And I emailed him again and said plea se if you changed you r mind just tell me at least be cause the uncertainty m akes me rlly anxious. But he didn’t even respond and he just ma de the m come get me with their guns like please I wasn’t tr ying to harass him. I just didn’t know why????,,,

>>22717307
>why does a guy get uncomfortable when a girl posts unpunctuated rants on a chinese image board

>>22717307
Ryan won.

>>22717289
>say you'll kill yourself
>calls the cops
>stalk and harass someone
>calls the cops
Does that not make sense to you?
>I never wanted to scare him
>but I did
>I never wanted to harass him
>but I did
>I never meant to threaten him
>but I did
>I loved him
>but I did all this
What comes next?

>>22717316
Kenneth is a crackhead faggot who is too poor for a cell phone plan
he won the poor game

>>22717312
I never did any t hing like that until after he did it,??(????? You don’t even know and you do nt understand??????? Like I t did nt happen like tha t you don’t know anything also w hy is dis com f o rt a jus ti fi cation to literally traum a tize me forever and ever instea d of j u s t talking to me like he agreed to especially when he knew that I was already so anxious and upset ??? People keep saying he called a wellness check bc I was threatening to kill mysekf but i was not threatening anything and it was not a wellness check he said himself I was not saying anything that came across as a threat to anyone???? Like I never wanted him to be scared I don’t understand w hy he felt like he needed to did that to me like I’m so sorry I do.nt know like eve rything after tha t was so scary ??? I’m so sorr Y

>>22717319
No you don’t understand I ne ver was trying to harass him he said I could email him you don’t understand???????????? St o o why are you doing this??!??!!!

>>22717332
Then STOP POSTING AND EMAILING HIM. HE GETS IT, YOU'RE SORRY

>>22717335
I have not emailed him in a long time,??????? You don’t know,,?,??????

>>22717334
STOP EMAILING HIM STOP POSTING ABOUT HIM HE IS TAKING A VOW OF CELIBACY
GET THEE TO A NUNNERY

>>22717334
So bad

>>22717337
S T O P P O S T I NG A B O U T H I M
D O N O T S E N D A N Y M O R E E M A I LS
H E G E T S T H A T Y O U A R E S O R R Y

>>22717319
I ne ve r ever w ould. H urt him ever I would never hurt him I just needed to talk to him i would never hurt him he never even tried to talk to me ever????(????????????????? You do nt understand?!??)

>>22717350
S T O P P O S T I NG A B O U T H I M
D O N O T S E N D A N Y M O R E E M A I LS
H E G E T S T H A T Y O U A R E S O R R Y

>>22717319
H o w do you even thi nk you know what I did you do nt know???????? You weren’t yhere????? You don’t even know just stop??????

>>22717350
You should just say to him in this thread right now what you wish he could see you say. What do you want to say to him deep down?

>>22717355
If you actually care about me, just leave me alone. It's nothing personal.

>>22717332
>i was not threatening anything

I like to imagine that every Atlas post ends in her smashing her fists against the keyboard and having to pick up all the keys off the floor before she can continue.

>>22717361
You have no idea what you’re talk Ing about that was like a month before,??,, and he was the one who said put them in the Google drive before you an hero ?????? and after I went home I neeeded to talk to him to g et closure and he said we could talk(????)??? And at that time he said him self I was not threatening to do anything?????????????? You do nt know?????? I m sorry i j us t néeded to talk t o him why did he do that??((?????

>>22717371
Stop posting about me on here. I'm sorry you couldn't get closure, but this will have to do.

>>22717359
It doesn’t m a tt er because he’ll ne ver reply to me so it won’t help??i just need to talk to him and he’ll never never reply to me so it never will help I’d I say it here))?????????

>>22717378
Your e not even him you’re j u st lying to trick me and fuck with my head!?????? An d l he is nt so rry because he ne ce r Ève n tried???((((??

>>22717381
I've already replied to you ITT. STOP POSTING ABOUT ME. CAN I BE ANY CLEARER? I GET THAT YOU'RE SORRY. IF you leave me alone we will be on good terms

>>22717387
I çan t you are j u s t try onh to Tricj md?????? I csnt????? I cant i m sorry I can’t I cant. I cant la im sorry likr i don’t know whyy I can’t you just want to trick me and make me be crazy?????????

>>22717395
LOOK, I CAN'T BE ANY CLEARER. IF YOU LEAVE ME ALONE, WE WILL BE ON GOOD TERMS.

>>22717398
H o w can we eve r be on good t e r ms if he hate s me and wont even talk to me one time)?????????? Tha ts not being on good terms that s not hing ????? Youre just lying to trick me and trick me and trick me????? Wh y are you doing this?!!!??!

>>22717407
Nice gaslighting that someone that won't talk to you "hates" you
If you're sorry, then leave me alone.

>>22717412
I’m not gas lightingi just. Needs do talj to him you do nt under stand im sorry likr i. Dont ev en know who you are ???? You could be anyone????? R y a n is try i f to trick me an d make me be craz Y again,,,,,,, you’re not Ari you’re not him(??????????? I need to ta l j. To him??????

>>22717420
>no, you HAVE to talk to me
abusive gaslighter.

>>22717426
I m not tryi.ng to be a busive like I just can t you so nt understand it fuck s with my head to no t know what’s real and not real because If I don’t know who it is it could be a delusion ??????? How ca b I talk to so.me anonymous perso. N when that only makes me questuon realiTy even more??? It’s not closure to have an anon talk to me it just ma k es me thi nk im going crazy and ha ving delusions and question reality all of the time ??? Like I just need to talk to him I’m sorry I know he does nt want to and i try anf try to acc wor that and I try fo stop thinKing a bout him bu t i cant???? Like plea de im sorry I’m not gaslighting that’s not what gaslighting means you don’t understand??? I’m so fucking so rry but I rlly need to talk to him like i know he do esnt want to and I don’t want him to be sad but I can’t explain it that’s just what I alwa ys need? Like it’s just sad because what I need and what he needs are diametricallly opposed so the res no way to fix things and it hurts I wish it was not like this?????

>>22717445
Why can't you respect people's boundaries. STOP DEMANDING TO TALK TO ME

>>22717445
What you need is to move on, so it doesn't involve anyone else. Any pain you feel is your responsibility.

>>22717449
I don’t even k now who you are you’re trying to trick me???? Li je you do nt understand i want r o accept them but it hurt s me so mu.ch not beIng able to talk to him and all I. Can think Is that I neee to talk to him? Like I wish to god this was over or never happened and I’m not saying th is in an at tempt to manipulate I’m honestly trying to express how I feel really please try to listen and I wan t to respect h is boundaries I v e been tr ying so hard for months??????? Lik e. Not ever ha ving closure causes me a huge amount tof emotional pai.n? And the understanding I have is that it would not actually harm him to talk to me but he just does not want to do it he because it feels uncomfortable or he think s it will make things worse or make no difference? But I feel that if he could at least try th a t would mean a lot to me and I don’t think it could make th Ings any worse? But if he can t then I h ave to a ccept it i know that I’m tryin g but it just hurts and hurts all the time and nothing eases it ever

>>22717477
>But if he can t then I h ave to a ccept it i know that I’m tryin g but it just hurts and hurts all the time and nothing eases it ever
Thank you for finally RESPECTING someone's boundaries. HOPEFULLY you can keep to this

>>22717480
You aren’t him you don’t know you don’t know you don’t know!!!!! Why are you doing this just tell me who y o u are why are you doinf this???????i can’t stand it who ar e you !??!!?? Why are you tormenting me!!)????

>>22717485
>no, he would never tell me to respect his boundaries
Back to the abusive gaslighting I see. Making up any excuse to harass me.

>>22717480
Wha t you don’t understand is that you are being very clinical and rigid and life is jot that simple ? I’m not saying this to manipulate I want to explain that I don’t see the world like you do just let me explain,6?? Because I don’t see life gthe same way as you if I knew that some one was hurting a lot because of my actions (even if I hadn’t hurt them intentionally) and there was something I could reasonably do that would be meaningful towards easing that persons pain I would not just say “your pain is your responsibility I don’t care why should I have to do anything outside of my boundaries” because I feel like that is not the way to see things???? sometimes you just try to do thing s for o ther people even if you don’t have to? I f the situation was reversed I would do it for him but he never will?

>>22717489
I’m not trying to harrass anyone I m just trying to communicate? Trying to have a conversation with someone like you are choosing to construct it that way???? It never had to be like this??????

>>22717515
>>22717520

>>22717515
Because the thing is that like I feel the compulsion t o talk to him because I am hurting so much? And I feel like if I could talk to him then afterwards I would feel better and the compulsion would maybe go away and then I wouldn’t feel the neee to do it anymore ? And then it would be easy for me to move on and give him what he wants? So we could both have what we want

>>22717528

>>22717525
I’m not gaslighting you’re refusing to hear me please (?????? Please???? Please ????? Stonewalling is so Hard for me to deal with??? I try to understand your perspective but you refuse to even consider mine!????? Please

>>22717538

>>22717534
I’m not gaslighting that’s when you lie about something to try to make someone crazy???? I’m telling the truth about everything????? Why do you keep saying I’m gaslighting I don’t understand please I m begging you why are you doing this????(

>>22717546

>>22717544
Im not doing any of those things right now I’m telling the truth I’m being honest about everything and I’m admitting to everything????? What else do you want me to do I ll do anything just don’t stonewall me please I’m so sorry

>>22717556

>>22717558
I’m not saying that I should be allowed to do whatever I want please that s not what I’m saying? And smetimes guilt over being upset is a reflection of your own conscience in relation to how you have acted even if you wish you didn’t feel it you can’t always place it on someone else please I promise I am not trying to make you feel guilty i am just honestly expressing how I feel and trying to communicate? Please I feel like you are misusing this concept of gaslighting to distort things and be av oidant?

>>22717576

>>22717593

>>22717597

>>22717601
I feel like you’re using misusing the concept of boundaries and using stonewalling as a defensive and punitive mechanism because it is easier for you to wall yourself off than actually taking the step to have a potentially uncomfortable conversation? Like please d o tou not under stand tha t ref usual to communi cate and choosing to ignore things rather than add read them was w h a t contributed significantly to th e de velopmrnt of this dyn a mic?

>>22717625
I am telling, not asking you, to respect my boundaries. You are not respecting my boundaries. I do not wish to talk to you further. This is a notice.

You almost have to hand it to Ryan for being this willing to push a mentally ill woman over the edge in the name of spite.

>>22717650
kenneth isn't doing anything beyond begging a dealer for a free hit of crack

>>22717634
You just keep doing it????? You just keep doing it?????? I Don t even know I f thi s is you if you are going to do this s pl ea se at least tell me it s you and show me som e proof this is you so I actually know ??? Please look in you r heart and honestly listen to what it is telling you you are allowing your own fear s to win??? Like please I feel that you are being un reasonable b e cause the fact is and the truth is that it woul f not harm you in aNy way to talk to me at most it could cause potential discomfort and i feel tjst you are just being stubborn and punitive please? Like me saying I need to talk to you please and you saying I would rather punish you and threaten you and drive you to the brink of insanity than even attempt to have a conversatio.n with you is an objectively insane and unreasonable boundary??? Like please do you remember that in the beginning i was so respectful of y our boundaries and I never pushed for anything and was so patient and everything? I am usually not like this I can’t explain but the way tou have dealt with this pushed me over the edge? Like do you not see that this is very harsh and that if we had just talked in the summe r when I first reached out to you instead of you immediately assumi ng the worst amd accusing me and pushing me away out of fear and discomfort none of this would have ever happened???7???? Fuck I’m sorry I guess I ha ve to acc ept it but I’m honest ly telling you I meant well and even if y ou are angry I think it would help I f we could talk thr ough your frustration

>>22717650
How do you know it’s Ryan??? The whole time it’s ryab???? He’s trying to make me crazy because he hates me??)? Why would he do this?!!!!

Ari and Atlas met a couple years ago and talked over the phone for a few weeks. Ari wasn't interested and nothing happened. The two stopped talking and never met in person.

A year later he gets a text in the summer about her being in love with him and how she thinks he's been sending her anonymous signals. He sees her near his work the next day and freaks out. He tells her to fuck off by text.

Atlas then showed up in the threads when Ari started the best of &amp, but was using a pseudonym (Atlas) acting like they were strangers. A couple months in he found out Atlas was the girl, so he got spooked and shelved everything.

Here's where the Discord faggotry kicks in.

Ari joins the Unreal server at some point after getting spooked. Atlas is there secretly and starts pretending to be some Brazilian guy to bait Ari into bringing up the fact that she stalked him through the best of &amp. She went psycho on /lit/ the next day and posted that threat to kill herself >>22717361, which he thought was meant to bait him into meeting up with her. He calls the cops.

After that she used another account to pretend she was in the server and had read everything but didn't take part, which got the heat off the fake account. She continued pretending to be the Brazilian to get Ari to talk about the stalking, encouraging him to talk to her (Atlas) directly. She goaded him into emailing her saying it'd all stop if she got things off her chest >>22717307 before going full schizo again saying she's falling apart because he's not replying. He calls the cops and they warn her that it's harassment. She started all over again with another account before getting found out and causing Ari to (finally) jump ship, but not before she dropped personal details about him in the chat.

Some of Unreal thought Ari had staged it all, and somebody made threats pretending to be both Ari and Atlas. Atlas had talked to a lot of them extensively as the Brazilian, so a few were spooked already. Cue the doxxfagging. This kicked Atlas into high gear and she spent months ranting in /wwoym/ and on /adv/ talking to strangers she thought were Ari, and made a threat about showing up at his new work, which she had found before he got himself removed from their website. Apparently she was calling and texting Ari non-stop.

At some point Atlas got involved with Hartley. Earlier in this thread Ari said Atlas had stopped harassing him. Now here we are.

The fact that the fake Ari is somehow more reasonable than Atlas is wild.

>>22717660
Did I get anything wrong? Anything I missed? Let me add that "talk to me or I'll kill myself, it'll be your fault" is not a very nice argument.

>>22717663
No idiot. It isn't your crackhead faggot ex electronic boyfriend

>>22717664
You re distorting everything like why are you doing this?????? A hy are you going this ((((??????? Why are you doing This??!! You’re distorting and mischaracterizing every thing why are you doing this?????????? No that s not what I meant you don’t understand?????? You don’t understand ??????

>>22717664
this board may be the most mentally ill on this website, and that's saying a lot

>>22717677
What was wrong about it? Should I have stuck "because she loved him she..." before everything?

>>22717680
lol.

>>22717664
I didnt fo psycho I was nt trying to bait him you are leaving out the fact tha t he sa id a bun ch of un believably crue l shit about me in the server and suggested that he want ed me to an hero and that was why I tr ied yo do it?! Like do you hon estly not understand why that w ou kd hurt me so deeply? Like it hurt so fuvking much tha t i cou ld not s ta nd it i was not tryi ng to ba it him in to meeting me like I actually tr ied to do it you are distorting e very thing and being so cold? Like you’re not saying t he stuff that lhe said you re leaving out everything and only including stuff to make me seem as bad as possible a nd di s tort ing everytging???????? You re les ving out everything you are leaving out all emotiona l context why are you doing this ?????

>>22717697
I like how you intentionally space out your posts and misspell words to seem more hysterical.
Psycho bitch.
and i'm not any of your faggot discord fags either

>>22717664
It wasn’t a few weeks it was months you are distorting everything? Y ou are dis tidying everything? Like it was nt like that you are being as cruel as possible and distorting everything??? You are leaving out all of the relevant emotional context?????? Like you don’t understand you don’t understand?????(?

>>22717697
He said mean things about you after you goaded him into angrily discussing his secret about being stalked? He said mean things about you while you egged him on while pretending to be a different person? Remember when you joked about how he should just fuck his stalker (you) to deal with it?

>>22717697
>you re leaving out everything
you keep saying this but have nothing. you are a FRAUD!

>>22717709
>You are leaving out all of the relevant emotional context
So you admit you stalked this poor Jew? you are fucking NUTS

>>22717710
I did nt un der stand until that nigh t that he saw it a. S stalking????? And I did nt mean like ok ay I joked about I t bc everyone else there was joking about it first and I h a d to sta y in. Char acter I know it sou. Nd s so in sane like I know I’m sorry like do you really no t understand wh y see ing him say those things would hurt me deeply? Like I know it wa s wha t i deserved but it still felt like salt in a wound????? Like do you not understand that it hurt so much that I couldn’t bear it I’m sorry? I did nt goad him into replying to my email he replied of his own volition)??????

>>22717719
I like how you intentionally space out your posts and misspell words to seem more hysterical.
Psycho stalker CUNT.

>>22717719
Secretly talking to someone who told you to leave them alone is okay? And are you saying it wasn't you who convinced him to send the email? That you hadn't sent him faked conversations with yourself about how all he'd have to do was reply to you and you'd get it all off your chest and that'd be it?