/lit/ - Literature

>>22687988
Ok I don't care for Memerson but that suit is cool as fuck. It has so much 2000's pop punk energy

>>22687988
It's worse than that. His whole
>If you can't even clean up your own room, who the hell are you to give advice to the world?
schtick was an explicit approval of ad hominem attacks. He was an active drug addict when he said that.

>>22687988
He's interesting, genuine, and really smart. I wouldn't expect him to live a life like Joe Biden or someone like that. It's normal to have struggles in life.

>>22687988
Not a fan, but Benzos are a bitch. At least he was smart enough to get help. Getting off is supposedly the worst.

>>22687988
>You wouldn't hire an obese personal trainer
I might watch an obese interviewer though, if he was entertaining

Nigger, he was taking the pills as prescribed. He wasn’t partying. He isn’t some dope fiend. You’re a fucken clown.

>>22688030

If the system worked, he wouldn't have needed the prescription you feeble minded burger. It's literally called an ANTIDOTE to CHAOS.

If I wrote a book called 12 Steps to Cure Obesity, none of which mention surgery, and then got liposuction, you would rightly call me a hack (although you're a stupid fucking burger so you probably think obesity is the normal state of being)

>>22687988
The fitness industry is overrun with steroids at the moment. Maybe not the best example.

>>22688005
>I wouldn't expect him to live a life like Bait? Joe Biden or someone like that.
Joe Biden showered with his daughter and used his crackhead son to peddle influence to hostile foreign governments. Peterson spent decades in the trenches personally counseling people afflicted by mental illness while also working as an educator and mentor to hundreds of students.

>>22688044

I wouldn't hire The Liver King as a PT either

>>22688030
>>22688039
Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. At the time it was being handed out like candy for pretty much anything because it was seen as harmless (you can easily find celebrities on late night talk shows joking about taking them). It is now rarely prescribed due to the fact it creates physical dependancy even at low doses over short periods of time and causes extreme withdrawal symptoms (up to and including death). Having an adverse reaction to a prescribed drug doesn't make someone a drug addict. There is no evidence he abused the medication (i.e. his experience became so common that the drug is hardly prescribed now).

When he initially sought treatment in Canada they wanted to give him SSRIs and misdiagnosed him. He took the initiative to research treatment options and went to Russia where a programme specifically developed for medication withdraw was available.

Immediately after his treatment he finished and published his second worldwide bestselling book. Within months he had organized and gone on an international lecture tour. He also published multiple articles and made some media appearances. He has also set up an accredited online university that will offer free degrees, organized a think tank to combat the hegemony of shit like the WEF, created an online interview series with hundreds of episodes etc...

The narrative that there was a character defining downward spiral into drug addiction is doesn't bare up to reality. I'm honestly embaressed so many people have been holding onto it for half a decade now. Imagine being so pathetically delusional that you parrot the same easily disproved ad homs in an autistic echo chamber for years on end thinking they land; in that time Peterson has gone on to much success.

>>22688030
Yeah, Xanax addiction is just that hardcore. Once you want to get off, you need real help. People have even died tried to get off benzos on their own. There's been a few cases where dudes literally died in their jail cells because the dumbass cops wouldn't give them their meds.

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2008/11/post_15.html

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/opioid-withdrawal-jail-deaths/

>>22688053
There is a reason that the first step in the 12-step program is recognizing a higher power. People are flawed.

>>22688049

Another shocking point is how intellectually shabby 12 Rules is. He spends most of the first chapter talking about lobsters and then leaps to humans and hand waves the jump away with "Humans are the same" without presenting any studies or evidence whatsoever.

Or when he debated Zizek (who I also don't like but that's for another thread) and he was basically found out to have no understanding of what Marxism actually entails. He struggled and cringed but his answer was something along the lines of "I call them post modern neo Marxists because they are dogmatic in the way that the Soviets were". I think he even admitted that The Communist Manifesto was the only Marx work he had ever actually read. An undergraduate would fail if they tried to pull that shit

Also, don't talk about "trenches"...clinical psychologists are so expensive that most of their customers are rich people feeling ennui. The trenches would be a nurse at a state run detox facility or a prison or some shit

>>22687988
His daughter being a whore Is the biggest reason to discard his opinion imo.

>>22688058

You're missing the point that I have made several times so I'll say it once more

If the system worked, he never would have needed the prescription. If the system was an ANTIDOTE to CHAOS, then why take happy pills?

The only reason to take happy pills is if the other shit you're doing doesn't work. I'm middle aged and I've never been on antidepressants, prescribed or not

Your "point" is like saying 'The fact that he got liposuction doesn't mean that exercise and nutrition regime doesn't work!!! A DOCTOR okayed the surgery!!!'

>>22688083

*doesn't mean that HIS exercise and nutrition...

>>22688083
Benzos aren't really happy pills though. They're antianxiety. Neither are antidepressants, for that matter. They just regulate serotonin for people who are out of whacks (be it on the low end depressive scale or manic stage.. or a mix of both in a bipolar). You don't need to take them because you don't have the issue in the first place.

>>22688058

>Baby Shark is the most popular song on Youtube
>You're using success as a metric of quality

>>22688039
Lmao you’re deranged, foreigner.

>>22687988
>>22688030
>>22688058
he was buckbroken by zizek. watch the debate. the crowd mostly consisted of leftists so they outright laughed at his takes. and zizek just straight up ignored his speech and went on some irrelevant rant. after that he had to be put in coma to cope

>>22688114
Nobody cares, homo.

>>22688114
He got completely demolished in that debate and made himself look like the poster boy for Dunning Kruger.

>>22688097

I don't believe that issue occurs from a vacuum. If you have anxiety or low levels of this or that hormone, it's your brain telling you that you need to make a change in your life. JP makes his money telling people the changes they need to make to address their anxiety (pretty sure he even has a chapter on puffing out your chest to cure anxiety in 12 Rules)

>I have to tell the world what a loser this global bestselling writer person is by spamming character assassination threads 365/24

>>22688112

And you, being a burger, have such an empty soul and meaningless society that you think keeping your medicine cabinet stocked with drugs is the path to good mental health rather than spending time with friends and family, going for a walk and eating properly

>>22688083
I don't know what his system is but psycho-therapy doesn't work and the mental health industry is a scam.

Not to move the goal posts or anything but I mean its not surprising that clean your room wasn't the end-all-be-all of life-affirming therapy. His lectures on the bible are practically unassailable though. Incredibly poignant, and some of the most powerful teaching you'll ever encounter. I don't care if he was high at the time. I don't care if he was a mental case. Its almost to be expected. I don't see a lot of people who see the world through logos while at the same time really have it together. Certainly not Joe Biden, or Barrack Obama or someone like that. Elvis was hopelessly addicted to drugs. Genius is gnarly, what can you say?

>>22688121
You could be on to something especially with xanax. Or valium back in the day was even more popular. People are stressed or overworked or maybe putting much shit in their bodies to make them tense or hyper (especially coffee, but sugar is everywhere obviously).
Not sure about antidepressants.

>>22688114
Zizek was visibly annoyed by the crowd acting like football hooligans and explicitly complained about this. You live in your own fantasy world.

>>22688126
>Elvis was hopelessly addicted to drugs. Genius is gnarly, what can you say?
It started with one addiction when he was in the military. He was put to work a lot, and got talked into taking speed to keep up. Then got hooked back as a civilian because it was useful for touring. But then he also needed something to come down at times, so a doc gave him qualludes (I think). That shit wrecked his body for years until it finally gave out. He was only 42.

>>22687988
As if the average leftwinger is any better.

>>22688133

Whataboutery is intellectually bankrupt

>>22688002
That's true however people made fun of the room cleaning concept, but he was right about. The reaction of a lot of lefties to that showed me that there are a lot of psuedo intellectual know it alls.

>>22688130
this doesn't contradict anyting I've said

>>22688132
Yeah well, if only he could have been like, what.. Barrack Obama? Obama even kicked his smoking habit so he could be president. He couldn't say an interesting thing if his life depended on it, or say anything at all unless a teleprompter told him to, but that guy? That guy is the picture of mental health.

My point is that we can't all be Regis Philbin. You ever see his wikipedia page? What a life!! Thats somebody to model yourself after, let me tell ya'.

>>22688002
Is it really though, the same people criticizing him are the ones who say that you shouldn't use certain insults no matter what. Fake nice leftists look for an excuse to be assholes. I don't buy that social justice shit. If they thought it was acceptable to call someone a nigger they would do it. They just need socially acceptable outlets. That's why they're so hateful toward men and White people. It's socially acceptable. They are no different from anyone that hates, but they just direct it at acceptable targets. They have no sympathy for poor people unless they think the same way. They hate on poor White Southerners all the time.

>>22687998
You know, I feel that it's cringy in the SE way that I find all punk to be cringy so I think you might be right.
What a strange time for counterculture to be so mild and inoffensive compared to the mainstream

>>22688162
*same way that I find punk to be cringy

>>22688135
It's not though. Hypocrisy does not discriminate. Unless of course you think one group is more x than the other which would be strange because aren't you supposed to be beacons of anti prejudice? No one falls for leftists weaselly tactics anymore. They're so up their own ass and smug it's pathetic. I'm not even alt right and i dislike Jordan Peterson, but criticizing him for that shit is disingenuous. I'm tired of these fuckers larping as good people because they aren't racist. They're completely full of shit and everyone sees it. I can't take leftists seriously when they bitch about some phobic speech and turn around and attack people for their virginity, height, speech, anything that they suddenly deem acceptable. They're just assholes looking for an acceptable target. It's pussy behavior. If you don't want to be called a faggot then stop insulting people. These social justice types want to criticize and hurt people's feelings with immunity because they're cowards. They open themselves up to being attacked back. Don't open your mouth if you don't want to get made fun of.

>>22688162
Anyone who makes their whole identity something like that is a faggot. Most of those people seem like violent psychos. It's the unpredictability. Most of those people are those dorks from high school that never got over being uncool. It's pathetic. Who cares about the preppy douchebags from high school. They need to get over it.

>>22688097
The chemical imbalance theory of depression is ridiculous pseudoscience that hasn't been believed by any respectable doctor for decades and yet it is the most common reason given for loading up the population on pills.

>>22688174

All this is irrelevant though. I never said I was any sort of SJW. Like, if I criticise Trump it doesn't mean I like Biden. If I criticise Israel it doesn't mean I like Hamas. If I criticise Pepsi it doesn't mean I like Coke

>>22688058
>>22687988
>Get famous for weakly opposing gender ideology in typical cuckservative fashion
>When asked directly, admit that you would indeed call a transgender student by their preferred pronouns, you just don’t want to be forced to by law
>Start making terrible political videos whose whole purpose is to essentially dissuade people from criticising the neoliberal status quo by making them focus solely on individual problems instead of social ones
>Oppose new atheism by making evolution into God and reinterpreting Christianity in terms of monkey sex hierarchies
>”truth is just whatever is evolutionarily beneficial to us and God is a monkey sex hierarchy therefore God real”
>Debate a famous marxist intellectual in an event billed as this generation’s battle of intellectual heavyweights and admit that the only acquaintance with the Marxist tradition you have is reading the Communist Manifesto at 18
>Get addicted to hard clinical drugs despite being a glorified self-help guru.
>Go to Russia for experimental rehab.
>Return visibly changed, with weird speech patterns and behaviours.
>Cry like a faggot in every single interview even from simple questions such as “How are you?”
>Promote your immodestly dressed divorced whore daughter who publicly bangs pimp niggers despite being this generation’s “conservative patriarch”.
>Make self-serious spiteful videos about being banned from Twitter and other topics where you just rant like a deranged old man
>In the end, your life project was a pathetic attempt to rescue 1980s boomer cuckservatism with all the spiritual and moral decay it brings as evidenced in your own life and your own family.
Honestly, the only thing Peterson is good for is a sign of how far we have fallen, intellectually morally and spiritually.

>>22687988
Hate this nigger. He shills for Jewish ethnonarcissism like some pathetic lapdog, but god forbid Europeans so much as marginally reduce immigration, because where else would we get curry!? It doesnt help that he harps on about 'woke' while delusionally pretending its anything other than the obvious consequence of demographic change in Europe and North America. Really fucking hate this nigger, had to say it twice.

>>22688121
IIRC what has made him pop anti depressants has been similar to his daughter where they require specific diets to not completely mess up their system.
And what made him take benzos was, if im not mistaken, his wife being diagnosed with cancer. I think that on top of having been thrown into popularity as a guru and also as some nazi demon relatively recently, its understandable why he would be prescribed drugs to cope.

>>22687988
That shit is minor compared to working for the UN and stating his goal is to keep White males from fighting back.
why would you ever listen to somebody that wants you to remain a scapegoat and a victim?

>>22688521

So his system was an insufficient antidote to the chaos he experienced?

>>22688002
his stance on this particular issue is correct but he is still wrong.

>>22688060
>>22688058
and why was he on xanax to begin with if he's a well-adjusted man? retard.

he's a degenerate faggot. always has been, always will be, and nothing he says should be taken seriously.

>Follow my advice and you will have a food family
>Shit show of a daughter

City Intellectuals are incapable of raising healthy children. Every fascist movement has espoused, the rural countryside is the source of health, virtue and beauty.

>>22688461
>nothing about the JQ

>>22689866
>well-adjusted man
Fuck Peterson but who would say is?

>>22689866
>>22690319
Who would you say is well adjusted and mot into some phony cult?

>Benzo Peterson

>>22687988
lmao

>>22690108
Find another board to sully you evil coward

If he had stayed off social media and the most of the podcast circuit, he would be a kind of interesting author with Maps of Meaning and some utopia lectures on YouTube. He really destroyed his legacy because he just couldn’t resist becoming some kind of pop-psyche new age guru, which is really ironic considering some of the things he says.

>>22688030
What the benzo addiction really does is highlight the failures of his own thinking. Many people fall victim to benzodiazepines addiction nowadays and it doesn’t make them stupid or immoral or incompetent, but those people generally don’t go around claiming they have the panacea to life’s problems. The impression is “don’t try to do these things, clean your room and take benzos” and then that results in benzo addiction so it’s like “okay why should I listen to you”.

>>22688058
Peterson has done a really good job of selling books, merchandise, all kinds of huckster grifts, but totally failed at being recognized as a serious and sincere philosopher. He’s turned out to be really no different than these new age cult leaders that spin up self-help programs and conveniently make a buck. So if he wanted to be successful at being a scammy guru, then he’s done really well. If he wanted to be an intellectual with a legacy, he’s totally failed and possibly destroyed his reputation permanently.

>>22689866
It was considered normal and good to take psychiatric drugs until about 10 years ago when it was clear they were causing a real problem. It wasn’t even until Sandy Hook that people noticed that all these school shooters were on SSRIs. You just took SSRIs and Benzos for mental health like you took vitamins and other medications for physical health. Nobody was concerned. As someone who was personally prescribed Benzos for a sleep disorder many years ago, and developed a chronic addiction to them which almost ruined my life, I can sympathize with Peterson. Not only back then were you not liable to be concerned, you just trusted the doctors, the psychiatrists, the medical researchers. After all, the research will tell you clearly that they alleviate anxiety for a year after starting. What they don’t tell you is that after 3 years you start to experience severe highs and lows, and that the lows are so low you feel like you could die, and getting off feels impossible, and all of these things that the research just doesn’t indicate and wouldn’t because that’s not how research works. But back then you trusted the research. I don’t take issue with Peterson for his benzo addiction. I take issue with him for presenting himself as if he had the cure-all despite his benzo addiction. He is the quintessential new age guru, but instead of eastern religion, his is dressed up in social sciences and comparative religion.

>>22688083
>If the system worked, he never would have needed the prescription.
That's untrue. He doesn't market his book as an alternative to tmedical treatment so the point you make is inconsequential.
>>22688100
>strawman
Not the argument. The idea Peterson had a character defining downward spiral into drug addiction from which he never recovered is negated by the amount of quality projects he has carried through in the half-decade since. That alongside stating clearly that experiencing adverse effects from a doctor prescribed medication doesn't carry the same connotations as being a drug addict.
>>22688114
Both Zizek and Peterson went into the debate unfamiliar with one another's work. As soon as Peterson realized he misjudged Zizek he shifted gears toward discussion whereas Zizek didn't. Peterson is a philosophically minded psychologist and instead of calling out Zizek for niggling over esoteric semantics regarding points Peterson has made he was interested and paid him respect. It's unfortunate Zizek didn't demonstrate such character.
>>22689866
>REEEEEE
The symptoms he was experiencing fit the medication. Simple as. Again, it's awfully pathetic that your argument rests on mischaracterizing something that happened half a decade ago. >>22690457
>pseud rant
Just because something is accessible doesn't mean its worthless and just because someone builds a business that helps them increase their platform/profile doesn't mean they're "grifting" (that term has become a buzzword retards use against those who don't align with their sociopolitical beliefs). Peterson has already been successful as a clinical practitioner where he personally helped people afflicted by mental illness for decades (what have you ever done?) while also working as a mentor for students and producing widely cited research on various topics related to his field.

>>22690569
Peterson literally showed up to probably the biggest debate of his career where one of the primary points of discussion was Marxism having only read the book that is least representative of Marx’ thoughts. You can watch videos on YouTube of people completely refuting everything Peterson said on the topic with direct quotations from Marx, some of which were actually from the Communist Manifesto which Peterson claimed to have read

>>22687998
Yeah, man, whoah dude, it's like he watched Joker and just knew his chud appeal would be back!
>>22688005
Except he's none of those things. He's a Youtube huckster feeding off people straight from the shticks. Queue you.
>>22688030
He's the fucking clown. That's why you love him. He's almost as great as that Joker flick, I know.
Anyway I'm not reading the rest of this shit thread. Go clean your rooms, losers. You never know when you might watch a girl on the tube. Closest you'll ever get.

>>22687998
Yeah, it's cool in the way T-shirts with flames on them were cool.

>>22687988
You can tell how mushbrained he's gotten by how neither of his expressions match his suit: on the left he looks too clownish to put on such a serious face and on the right he's too giggly for pulling off such a benign fashion statement.

>>22688030
Awww, your Internet daddy figure is under attack? Don't worry, you'll discover Andrew Tate soon enough.

>>22690597
It's almost like he knew his intended audience didn't and couldn't read, huh

>>22690619
He knows he's only in it for the money. Could you keep a straight face?

Petersonbros, new kino just dropped:
https://youtu.be/iQTDEnfW4ng?si=WgoUbtQsC9u7Lfx4

>>22690631
good god almighty

>>22690631
It's always surprising when he talks about postmodernism and apparently he doesn't really grasp what it actually means? How do you go through so many years of schooling without reading a book on the topic you have such strong opinions about?

>>22688070
Zizek is a snake first off. He does sneaky shit to win the debate and take advantage of opponents lack of expertise within his field.

Not sure why a clinical psychologist and an ‘atheist Hegelian’ (aka a retard) would have a debate anyway .

Clinical Psych isn’t 1900s Viennese sofas with upper middle class wives anymore.

It’s state funded (aka shit pay) pill pushing for societies undesirables. Medicate them so they’re zonked out and listen to their bi-polar episodes. Horrible job.

But you’re just wrong. I don’t like memerson

>>22690597
>Peterson literally showed up to probably the biggest debate of his career where one of the primary points of discussion was Marxism having only read the book that is least representative of Marx’ thoughts.
Peterson showed up to the debate to argue that "cultural Marxism" is a negative influence on society as a whole. Zizek basically gave the "not real Marxism" argument and, instead of pointing out such as disingenuous to the actual point, Peterson was more that happy to listen to and learn about Zizek's ideas.
>You can watch videos on YouTube of people completely refuting everything Peterson said on the topic
Odds are they're ignoring the heart of Peterson's actual criticism by focusing on esoteric points that as beside his point. Also, Marxism attracts a lot of trannies and gender ideologues so my guess is they're willfully ignorant of what Peterson gets at.

>>22690665
You keep trying to get around the fact that he showed up to the debate completely unprepared for the actual topic at hand. You can watch this video and decide for yourself whether or not he’s being mischaracterized https://youtu.be/V2hhrUHSD6o?si=GkRPGXYeb-jYwymx

>>22690569
>he misjudged Zizek he shifted gears toward discussion whereas Zizek didn't.
Don't agree to a debate if you don't want to debate. Zizek is a tool but at least he put in the bare mininum of making some arguments.

>>22688005
That meme only proves that fatherless households lead to problems. I'd wager most of Peterson's fans were missing a father that loved them as a son.

>>22690740
Zizek is the funniest troll of this generation. Calling him a tool on 4chan only shows just how far it's fallen

>>22690738
>You keep trying to get around the fact that he showed up to the debate completely unprepared for the actual topic at hand
So did Zizek. Peterson was there to speak about Cultural Marxism and its effect on institutions and Zizek was there to speak present an overview of Marxism according to his esoteric knowledge of the subject. Both of them had misjudged one another and when Peterson figured out there was substantial overlap between their beliefs in terms of what they criticise he began engaging Zizek instead of trying to attack him. Zizek didn't return that favor (but he did call out the audience for trivalizing the event by applauding points like idiots patting themselves on the back for being there).
>>22690740
>autistic over "debate"
I have no problem with Peterson turning the event into a discussion as soon as he figured out he had misjudged Zizek and that they shared common ground. Unfortunately, it took Zizek a lot longer to dismiss the stereotype of Peterson he himself went in with and it render the event less fruitful than it could have otherwise been.

>>22688070
>He spends most of the first chapter talking about lobsters and then leaps to humans and hand waves the jump away with "Humans are the same" without presenting any studies or evidence whatsoever.
nooo how dare he suggest there would be a biological dimension to human behavior?! What a fucking fascist! Everyone knows the serotonergic system is a myth that white supremacists invented to keep Black folk down.

>>22690569
He was always a corporate stoolie for big oil though, sorry about your dad.

>>22687988
>You wouldn't hire an obese personal trainer
Just watch me!

>>22690980
>He was always a corporate stoolie for big oil though
You're probably thinking of Rex Murphy but Big Oil is important to Canada. The primary reason we weathered the Great Recession so well was because Harper had invested in energy infrastructure and Alberta bouyed the rest of Canada. The Trudeau government has divested from such and when the Chancellor of Germany came to beg Canada to develop its LNG infrastructure to supply energy to Europe (counterbalancing Gazprom) Trudeau said no and showed him a hydrogen farm that won't be operational for half a decade (alongside the uncertainty of its potential at all).

>>22690838
>how dare he suggest there would be a biological dimension to human behavior
It's such an easy argument to understand and yet it filters so many people. The paper it's from is about the importance of lower order brain circuitry on behavior and thus decision making alongside the over-focus on higher order brain functions when it comes to human behaviour (including social behaviour in aggregate).

>>22688002
It became a gaggle of idiots going around telling each other to clean their rooms instead of actually cleaning anything. Really this is how wordsmiths and enchanters get by. They lead people around like it's a huge party game and then hopefully disappear into the night with everyone's phones and wallets or risk getting exposed.

>>22691099
No, I've seen him spout off on TV

>>22691099
Also OPEC killed Alberta among with Harper's entire admin lol

>>22691293
>No, I've seen him spout off on TV
You're not being specific. As said, the Canadian Energy sector was a boon for the country during the recession and the Harper government had detailed plans to hasten development.
>>22691297
No, he was in power for almost a decade and continuous negative press coverage alongside clashes with provincial governments lead to his loss. OPEC did produce a glut during this time but the drop off in Canadian production was related to the NDP winning an election in Alberta (because the conservative party split) and companies being wary as to whether Notley would act in line with the ideology of that party.

>>22687988
Not a fan but his drip is fresh af

>>22688114
they each talked about separate things, it wasn't even a debate. you're just fanboying

>>22691139
You can't clean a room though. Order invites insanity this is why I believe ocd types are the most clinically insane (non-genius)

When Peterson is on his death bed he's gonna think to himself, yeah I cleaned my room every damned day for 75 years. There is something about a commitment that invites a pissy fit and insanity. Like doing the dishes every day, like cleaning your room every day, like doing laundry. I gave up at age 13 when my body started to die from growing up too much. They poisoned me with pills and I never reached my full potential. Rip the American dream.

Dr Petey is hiding crimes against children. He is a psycho after all, so he gets to be the most cruel against the weakest children. All psychologists hide the fact that their literature is not in common place knowledge. So fuck him. He has a special place in a prison cell for the rest of his life. To watch a brilliant man go insane is something satisfying. By the way that means you, Jesus.

>>22688123
>And I go into every one of these threads and defend him unconditionally while making no actual points or engaging in any arguments!!

>>22690665
There's no such thing as cultural Marxism, the phrase itself is literally an oxymoron

>>22687988
>>22688002

Poor dummies. Clean your room and find God.

>>22687988
I don’t get this board’s obsession with this man. He sure had his fan in ‘18 but not anymore. These days it’s just threads making fun of him. Like lots of threads. I don’t get the point. A hate dump thread on an irrelevant man who doesn’t even really have a fan base here anymore, because Jews or something? It’s all strange. So many threads. The right wing always turns on its own and is paranoid

>>22691686
>There's no such thing as cultural Marxism
There is even if the Wikipedia article is devoted to framing it as a conspiracy theory promoted by white supremacists.
>phrase itself is literally an oxymoron
You're thinking of "post-modern neomarxists," retard.

>>22688002
>If you can't even clean up your own room, who the hell are you to give advice to the world? schtick was an explicit approval of ad hominem attacks.
Imagine telling on yourself this hard. Just clean up after yourself ffs.

>>22691469
Yeah they lost because OPEC ate the country's lunch

>>22691915
No, not really. It was used as an issue to criticize Harper's investment into energy but the sector remained profitable. Fast forward less than a decade and Trudeau gutted it to the point we're losing 60 million per day for every planned LNG processing/shipping port the Libs shut down, not to mention the jobs, while swimming in inflation that could have been mitigated by lower energy costs.

>retard leftists still seething over this centrist boomer
Go back to r3ddit you massive faggots.

>>22691686
so you don't think neo-marxism exists and influences other fields of study?

honest question: are you legitimately mentally retarded?

>had to be
Most people are just left to suffer when they have a break like that.

>>22690569
>Peterson is a philosophically minded psychologist and instead of calling out Zizek for niggling over esoteric semantics regarding points Peterson has made he was interested and paid him respect. It's unfortunate Zizek didn't demonstrate such character.
I agree. Overall Peterson is just better. Zizek is just a disgusting slob and one of these assholes who equates remembering a bunch of obscure academic gobbledygook with actual knowledge. He's a fool, which is why he's a marxtard in the first place. Peterson at least possesses some degree of true knowledge into the nature of man and the universe, even if it is low-level and he is a shameless shill for Israel.

>>22690738
>he actually posted marxist jewtube goyslop
>he expects people to watch 50 minutes of it
i don't even want to be more mean to you because it's obvious you're some 16 year old autistic tranny in high school, it's not your fault you're like this.

>>22690569
>The symptoms he was experiencing fit the medication
The symptoms being what, exactly? A weak mentally ill bitch who needs drugs to make it through the day has no business giving advice to anybody.

>>22692294
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propagandize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life.

>>22692294
Post your antifa noodle arms

>>22692302
Peterson's work is good for what it is, even if it is overrated. Do you not find it odd that he supports hardline blood-and-soil nationalism for Israel/Jews but when it comes to the White people he abandons that in favour of liberal democracy?

>>22692324
>Do you not find it odd that he supports hardline blood-and-soil nationalism for Israel/Jews but when it comes to the White people he abandons that in favour of liberal democracy?
He doesn't view it as "hardline blood-and-soil nationalism." He sees anti-Semitism as a canary in the coalmine for extremist beliefs.

>>22690442

This

>>22690471

I agree completely with your critique of Peterson but your initial point about it being considered normal is certainly not true in my society. In Ireland at least, prescriptions, whether benzos or valium or whatever are more common than people admit, but are nowhere close to being seen as normal. If you tell someone here you're on any sort of medication, the assumption is that you must be insane or something. They're not really seen as a normal or acceptable way to cope with emotional issues (which has good and bad points to it...while we don't abuse legal or illegal drugs on anywhere near the level Yanks do for example, alcohol abuse is rampant)

>>22690569

The problem is that, as a previous poster mentioned, he presented his guru advice as a antidote to life's chaos

You're such a stan that you're commending Peterson for turning a debate into a discussion and attacking another guys character for maintaining the debate?

>>22690664

I mean, Peterson chose to enter the debate. If I set up a fight with Justin Gaethje with no MMA experience and get my head kicked in, Gaethje isn't a snake for beating me up. I'm the fool who got in the cage without the knowledge, strength or experience

>>22690665

I think you're confusing social liberalism with marxism

>>22690838

The point is that he completely failed to demonstrate the relevance between lobster behaviour and human behaviour...or maybe you'd be happy taking your child to a vet and your dog to a child psychologist

>>22691118

He still didn't establish (in the book at least) that lobster behaviour was comparable to human behaviour. He just leapt from one to another. I'm not saying they're not comparable, some animal behaviours are and some aren't, just like some animal to other species animal behaviour patterns. But if you're going to compare them, as an academic he should know what any undergrad knows, that he has to demonstrate relevance

>>22692261

But when people talk about cultural marxism they're talking about the (entirely non-marxist) woke thing. That's not what neo-marxism is about

>>22692805
>The problem is that, as a previous poster mentioned, he presented his guru advice as a antidote to life's chaos
Doctor prescribed medication. Simple as
>commending Peterson for turning a debate into a discussion and attacking another guys character for maintaining the debate
Neither were familiar with the other's work. Peterson changed his tenor when he realized this whereas Zizek took quite awhile to do so.
>I think you're confusing social liberalism with marxism
Nope, but I'll point out "cultural Marxism" is a realitively new term, popularized only within the last decade or so, and as such is ill defined and largely colloquial.
>He still didn't establish (in the book at least) that lobster behaviour was comparable to human behaviour. He just leapt from one to another.
Don't care and it's more likely you were filtered because of the politics you project onto him. See >>22691118.

>>22692805
>The point is that he completely failed to demonstrate the relevance between lobster behaviour and human behaviour
He didn't write a pop psychology book to demonstrate a very specific biological claim; the lobsters are an example of hierarchies being established in nature via a well-understood material mechanism, and not being "socially constructed" by some evil exploiter class that simply would disappear when the right people do a revolution.
The fact they're lobsters is only relevant in that it's a very old species. He could have taken apes and made a stronger argument in terms of direct relevance to humans. Their dominance hierarchies are regulated with serotonin too. Denying that it has any relevance for humans is nothing other than denying that we're biological beings (sharing most DNA with those apes) that can't just arbitrarily handwave away our biological conditions, including our establishing of hierarchies.

>>22692805
>But when people talk about cultural marxism they're talking about the (entirely non-marxist) woke thing
"Wokeness" is the result of the oppressed/oppressor discourse in academia which most definetely was the work of Marxist intellectuals and critical theorists (which is just Marxism + psychoanalysis).

Marxists came up with the concept of cultural hegemony, then with the strategy of achieving it by the long march through the institutions and the politization of arts and education, and indeed they got the desired result - it's completely approriate to call that cultural marxism.

>>22687988
JP has always been a grifter, an intellectual prostitute pimping out his position as an authority figure to mentally challenged retards on the internet to get his 15 minutes of fame and be le ebin public intellectual. Then those retards destroyed his academic credibility and public image and now he realizes he's stuck in too deep and its destroying his life. It's entertaining seeing a guy like this unravel in front of an audience.

>>22690664
>Zizek is a snake first off. He does sneaky shit to win the debate and take advantage of opponents lack of expertise within his field.
Sneaky? If your going to have an opinion on something you should do your research first. If you don't know what your talking about then shut the fuck up or don't go around debating people. That's not Zizek's fault it's Peterson's fault for being unprepared.

>>22692431
>He doesn't view it as "hardline blood-and-soil nationalism."
That's what Israel is lol

>>22691959
Lmao conservacuck

>>22690664
He's not gonna fuck you bro

>>22688058
He sold his soul to the zionists like the good corpo stooge he is

>>22693003
Higher energy costs drive inflation; the policies of the Trudeau government raised the price of energy while kneecaping Canada's ability to significantly increase GDP through exports. This is why everyone's cost of living expenses have skyrocketed while their net savings/investment have plummeted over the last few years.

Peterson is boomer cringe but most of the people who criticize him are degenerate leftist idiots who are much worse.

>>22693003
>>22693004
>t. 15 year old shitskin

I legitimately think you need to be either really dumb or really bitter to hate peterson.
Watch his maps of meaning lecture series

>>22687988
This is what happens when nerds get too much gravitas. Dont forget this spastic used to wear a cape to classes when he was a student at college.

>>22693363
Yeah but Trudeau never tried to tie the entire economy to the price of oil lol

>>22693386
You're the one in desperate need of a father figure, so...

>>22693445
>oil though
Thanks for proving you're a retard who is out of xis depth.

>>22693473
Cry harder lol

>>22692805
They’re not considered normal anywhere but they were in the 90s and 00s. Nobody even talked about an opiate crisis back then. Everyone was taking painkillers or anti-anxiety pills and nobody was worried about the long term side effects.

>>22693530
Yeah because big Parma lies about how addictive it was for $$$

I was prescribed benzos for anxiety/panic attacks. Seeing Peterson get fucked up made me quit them and face anxiety head on. That got me over it much quicker. There is this weird rebound or something where anxiety is worse a few days after taking a pill, which just leads to more pill. They should be prescribed with some kind of plan for getting you off them at some point.

>>22693486
No you.

>>22693641
I'm not petermeme silly

>>22687988
That sheogorath looking mf needs some graymarch asap. Need some jyggalag to balance out the prince of madness and lobsters. Clean your realm.

>>22690617
I dunno I really like those colors even if he does look like two face

>>22689859
i find that with dumber people, refuting the central point is more effective, but when done too often it also makes appear to be nitpicky or overly argumentative. so it's good to have a solid mix of refuting meta and central points, with the agreement (on a lower level) mixed in. this will usually at least carry a good conversation.

>>22687988
OP is based and redpilled. Mind you, Xanax is a white pill.
>>22687998
Pop punk has nothing to do with cool.

>listening to his books blew my fucking mind during a shit time of my life
>come to find that 4chan hates the guy for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the contents of his books
>mfw
Seriously, what the fuck is the matter with you guys? At the very LEAST, he is sincere to a fault.

>>22694071
no. he is insincere about his ulterior motives

>>22694071
he's just a lolcow that keeps on giving, he can't handle the fame and is overdramatic in his very sincerity, anonymous troll demons have a good time with it because he's easy to make fun of.
And it's not like anybody here actually reads so "have absolutely nothing to do with the contents of his books" is irrelevant, at best people repeat that le lobsters aren't ackshually le humans because they've read it on reddit or heard it from vaush or whoever

>>22687988
When chaos comes to anyone's doorstep, anyone would be obliterated by it. Actual chaos is actually chaotic. The challenge entails rebuilding the world after chaos has obliterated it. I do not know much about the casus, this is generally typing.

>>22694116
>ulterior motives
He has no "ulterior motives." You'd know this if you knew anything about the guy outside of memes.

>>22694146
>And it's not like anybody here actually reads so "have absolutely nothing to do with the contents of his books" is irrelevant, at best people repeat that le lobsters aren't ackshually le humans because they've read it on reddit or heard it from vaush or whoever
I'm glad you're at least sensible enough to recognize that. I try to avoid seeing things that involve him humiliating himself because I respect the guy and would rather not hop on the troll demon bandwagon.

>>22694071
>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative
>Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property
>Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism
>Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist
>Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors
>Tranny: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one
>Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repercussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now
>/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everywhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's asshole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]
Basically, Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blind spots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travelers of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone.

>>22690610
But unlike Peterson, Joker was actually good. Is it cool to hate it now. Already?

>>22694071
At least I take it you were still pretty young when your transition started if a third rate repackaging of Aurelius by an obvious charlatan wowed you as such.

>>22690752
Unfortunately my brother is a Petersonian and this is correct.

>>22694801
Anon used the word "chud" and projected they're his audience. Chuds hate Peterson and than anon is an idiot.

>>22687988
Peterson is the same as PhilosophyTube
he focuses more on building his persona than the actual ideas
anyone who has read anything on their own is instantly unimpressed by anything peterson has to say, and even the most basic readers can point out the flaws and mistakes he makes + hes a zionist slave sellout
Anyone got his paragraph on Heidegger? What a joke

>>22694071
Reminder that the people routinely triggered into the regurgitating the same nonsensical vitriol about Peterson in every single thread are pathetic ideologues and resentful idiots. His best feature is that he gets them to out themselves as such.

>libtard /lit/
Seethes that Peterson turns them into reactionaries by pointing out their bullshit.
>pseud /lit/
Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence.
>chud /lit/
Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.
>tranny /lit/
Thinks he's a "literal nazi."

>>22694840
He's a retard dude

>>22694840
all of those things are literally true

>>22693530

Same fag here, I meant they were never considered normal in my country. Their normalisation in the USA is down to the power of pharma there whereas here, pills are (and have always been) seen as something to take if you've a headache or an infection. People obviously did take pills in the 90s and 00s here but nowhere near the levels of the USA and they would've generally been pretty quiet about doing so

>>22694840
sorry, not beautiful

>>22688039
Wash your penis

>>22694803
What an obnoxious thing to write

>>22696554
>throwaway tweet
How does it feel to know that those three words have had more influence on the world than anything you will ever do/write? Rent-free.

>>22688404
>Like, if I criticise Trump it doesn't mean I like Biden. If I criticise Israel it doesn't mean I like Hamas. If I criticise Pepsi it doesn't mean I like Coke
Literally illegal pick a side and die for it golem

>>22688404
>Like,
Opinion discarded.

>>22696758
>how does it feel to know that broadcasting your mental decline to the public will make more people cringe than anything you ever do/write?
ftfy, and it feels pretty good desu, as I don't plan on becoming a social media lolcow or a drug-addled basket case

>>22687988
yeah, he's a dumbfuck. The shit he posts on twitter is legit gibberish.

He says 'no' to some troon shit way back when, and everyone thereafter, friend and foe alike, treats him as this right-wing arch-nemesis when everything else he says and writes (what little of it can be deciphered) is anything but.

Do you even want to comprehend the unchecked power held by troons, then and especially now?

>>22696989
>regurgitates same old ad hom cope
See >>22688058. You guys are basically bots at this point.