/lit/ - Literature

>>22680571
God, modern art is so repulsive

yeah never seen gadda desu
calvino di lampedusa ferrante pirandello, dante
lot of good authors from italy

>>22680574
Filtered. lmao
>those marble statues I saw on twitter... now THAT is art

>>22680583
You just have an inferior taste in aesthetics

>>22680602
>taste
>in aesthetics
And you just keep embarrassing yourself.

>>22680610
>>22680602
lets shut down the shit slinging fest and talk about italo lit

My favorite italian novel is Morante's La Storia although Il deserto dei tartari is very good too

We like Delillo

>>22680571
I have never seen anyone post about ill gattopardo here.

has anyone read christ stopped at eboli? is it any good?

>>22680933
lurk more

>>22680933
see >>22680577

>>22680571
You can tell how little this board cares about literature and how much it is obsessed with anglo circlejerking by counting the times a true GOAT like Ecco is mentioned.

>>22680948
eco is mentioned quite a bit in threads
you sound like a newfag retard
go back to whatever slavic or french meme site you came from

>>22680571
I just bought at the flea market Umberto Eco's Name of the Rose. Cant wait to read it

Luigi Pirandello who I saw mentioned by another author in a prologue of his book.Not surprising since people here rarely read plays.

>>22680981
pirandello's great

Where do I start with Calvino short stories? Tempted by the big book of Italian folk tales, but probably a smaller collection is better

>>22680993
Start with Beheading the heads, one of the best visionary political works of all time.

>>22680571
>our
Nationalism is disgusting

Italian pessimists are based
>Leopardi
>Buzzati
>Michelstaedter

>>22680574
Filtered

>>22681022
socialista idiota

Italians are the niggers of Europe.

>>22681085
sorry, mean to write ashkenazi jews

>>22681085
what a retarded way to look at literature, read a boor midwit

>>22680571
I read Il Gattopardo last month and loved every Page of it.

>>22681223
very underrated book

>>22680571
Maybe it’s because you started browsing a month ago, newfag

The only italian author I like is shakespeare

>>22681085
My ancestor :)
(On the right, that is.)

>>22681223
Try The Viceroys by De Roberto for a book on a similar topic.

Last year I read the argentinean editions of these books, they were pretty good.

>>22680571
Walter Siti
Antonio Moresco
Michele Mari
Valerio Evangelisti
Aldo Busi
Elena Ferrante

>>22682210
>femoid
Opinion discarded.

>>22680574
>tiny brain; small soul
How’s that working out for you?

>>22682218
Elena Ferrante is the only woman.

Who do you want?
Some other Italian authors:
Ludovico Ariosto
Torquato Tasso
Pietro Bembo
Giuseppe Parini
Arrigo e Camillo Boito
Igino Ugo Tarchetti
Fruttero e Lucentini
Alberto Savinio
Edoardo Sanguineti

>>22682267
As far as modern authors go all you need is Buzzati Gadda and Pirandello. Ecco as well if you are a basic white queer. Ferrante was just a nobel winner because the swedish faggots didnt want to give it to corncob and her publishers knew how to grift the academy's love of minority mediocrities.

>>22682305
Ferrante never won a prize.
I'm not saying I like her books, but the thread is about authors who are not discussed often here.
Walter Siti is a good author, I don't like Moresco instead.
Pirandello, Buzzanti are always discussed here in Italian literature threads, they are great, but they are also the most cited.

>>22682305
fucking retard

>>22680614
What are good italian novels? Im an italian amerimutt and I only tried to read one he talked about sneaking cigarettes when he was a kid for like 20 pages so I put it down. Id love a good italian recommendation but I never see any.

>>22680965
I want to read this but eco was a faggot lefty so I havent.

>>22682421
Bite me you jewish faggot.

I like Giovanni Verga
Back when I first read Cavalleria rusticana I remember one day getting home and surfing the tv channels and one of them had the opera on, the music was great.
https://youtu.be/97m-Uitqwug?si=tEaJwG7SMQMoQoKl

>>22683036
>Verga
Lol bemis

The Tartar Steppe

Cesare Pavese.

>>22683111
You are a retard

>>22683123
Dont make me post the T-word you butthurt faggot.

Vitorinni, Levi, Pratolini.

>>22683022
The late Mattia Pascal.

>>22683031
what nobel did ferrante win, mohammed?

>>22680583
This but unironically

>>22680571
Antonio Moresco is only talked about by me, but I will not stop. Please get Clandestinity and get Distant Light and screencap this post: in a few years, when Song of D'Arco (now in translation) comes out in English, it's gonna be the new cool thing on /lit/, trust me. Italianchads will be vindicated. You will talk about it as you did with Solenoid, possibly more because Cartarescu is not nearly as innovative as this guy.

I am not going to elaborate further: if you are curious, read this blogpost.
>https://theuntranslated.wordpress.com/2018/07/31/games-of-eternity-giochi-delleternita-by-antonio-moresco/

>>22680571
Italianon here: no one does besides the most obvious names (Dante) mostly because of our "intellectual" class. More than in any other country in Europe (I have lived in four different European countries), Italy pushes only the most trites idiots as its foregound author, and publisher abroads know this and don't translate. The literary world of our country, much like its politics, is again one big giant incest system, with friends publishing friends, political factions pretending to fight each other and then going to dinner together, and so on. We get people like Rosella Postorino or Vincenzo Latronico getting nominated and winning awards, getting translations that are forgotten after one year abroad, and meanwhile our big names (Moresco, Siti, Busi, to mention some: all living authors) are living poor lives, ignored by most except a handful of critics and writers, rarely or ever mentioned in the media, while their counterparts in other European countries (Krasznahorkai, Cartarescu, Houellebecq - more or less same generation and alive, and two of them coming from minor literary traditions and yet capable of writing masterpieces and having their voice heard abroad) are widely translated, acknolwedged and talk about in the rest of the world.
But Italy has been doing this for more than 200 years. Leopardi is the chief example of how Italy, a retrograde, conservative, ideologically stale country, steps into modern literature: a hunchback working in total isolation, rereading the classics to find some meaning and escape the toxic intellectual environments made of priests, lousy politicians and salaried penmen at the service of whatever power is now at the top of the hierarchy. He was the greatest genius we had since Dante, yet in school we read Manzoni because his impious nun and redeemed criminal are more morally "edifying" than Leopardi, who is speaking to us from such an intellectual height that it feels as if he books were written in the fucking future.
All great authors of our country in the last 200 years are and will be martyrs - they will be hunchbacks of an art no one values, in the most desertic wasteland of western culture. If they survive (like Moresco and Leopardi did) they don't bloom, they explode, like those weird, frienzied desert plants that can resist anything.

Pic extremely related. Emanuel Carnevali is an absolute animal (technically speaking) when it's about writing poetry and prose, in English especially, but he's very much incarnating what we could have been as modernist literature, and what we failed to be. Another martyr, with a lot to say, who said it very badly, in his case (differently from Leopardi), and who paid with his own body for having this absurd dream that is literature.

>>22685209
>He was the greatest genius we had since Dante, yet in school we read Manzoni because his impious nun and redeemed criminal are more morally "edifying" than Leopardi
We read both, though I guess the former gets more space.

>>22685209
I was once told by a professor that you could walk up to any random person in Italy, ask them to quote Dante and they'd all have at least one verse they could recite by heart. Any truth to that?

Was an older professor so might have been in years past.

>>22680571
The biggest question I make myself is whether I should learn Italian or Portuguese after finishing French. Portuguese is a bit more practical, but it's easier to access Portuguese-language literature for me than a lot of Italian literature.

>>22683022
Watch Soupranos, you amerimutt.

>>22685209
Italian critics loves that Siti, Moresco and Busi like writers are unknown to the public and to the intellectual public because they want those authors all for themselves, for their little niche, to say that they know really obscure stuff people don't know.

Leopardi is the most remembered writer in Italy today because of his false pessimism, because Leopardi wasn't pessimistic, all the pessimistic stuff was made up by the Italian critics of leopardian studies.

Manzoni is good, but I Promessi sposi is a novel that was innovative only because he wrote it in Italian, it wasn't the story of the novel the center of the innovation.

The most researched authors are Verga and Pascoli, maybe because of the past literature education schedule (?), where the authors linked to the unification and the language and the XIX century first half was the main, while the contemporary authors of that time (Calvino, Pavese, Fenoglio ecc ecc) were relevant only to who red them, because Gadda is unknown to the general public, and Buzzati too, but the youngers read them, but Siti and Moresco are unknown to them.

My English is broken

>>22680571
I read Moravia's Contempt and The Moon and the Bonfires by Pavese a while back, both very good for their period, perhaps because being somewhat more provincial shielded Italy a bit from postwar avant-gardism. I also watched a couple Fellini films and quite liked them.

The thing that most interests me in Italy is of course the environs of Dante and Petrarch, I've only read Dante from that period but I want to check out the Sicilian/Tuscan poets he talks about in Purgatorio and in whom Pound was interested.

Anyone know if Boccaccio was skilled enough as a poet for his poetry to be worth reading? I didn't even know he wrote poetry until I looked into Chaucer's sources.

>>22680571
Everyone's read the Prince by Machiavelli

>>22686484
No. It's more that talentless pseuds took over Italian institutions, and in order for their circles to stay relevant, they have to suppress tall nails like those authors, while their cronies take the spotlight. Similar thing happened with American lit. Most Jewish critics don't want great authors for themselves; they don't give a shit about them, and instead promote hacks like DFW, the suicidal Christian, and BEE, the depraved Jew.