/lit/ - Literature

>>22678068
I have a suspicion you haven't actually read Samuel Beckett.

Very chudcellish list.

>>22678068
>doesnt even own a copy of apes of god
Retard

>>22678068
Chud memes aside, pretty upsetting that because of certain groups we are denied the Céline manuscripts and writings that have been found

>>22678068
I actually had a blast reading Ulysses, I believe what worsens his perception is that many cunts tried to emulate him after

>>22678079
What part of 'Tarr' did not tear down the cult of your ghastly potato nigger? It's like reading Csmus or some shit. Don't even start your shit. I know exactly how your cult works.

Wyndham Lewis scientifically proved Samuel Beckett was a charlatan before he even put pen to paper.

The whole cult should be torn down and his books burnt.

Now you mention it, its obvious

>>22678151
And also that Lewis outed him as a charlatan in 'Tarr' and 'the Human Age'.

>>>/pol/

>>22678068
Favorite
Unironically Cormac Mccarthy
Bulgakov
Nabokov
Junger
I kind a hate Dickens

>>22678186
Why do you like them?

>>22678186
I think Celine is like Dickens but less cringe.

>>22678079
I love taking massive cock in my ass

I'd go for
Philip Roth
Saul Bellow
John Ashbery
Joan Didion

Hate?
Evola I guess. The dumb putz

>>22678068
>Love
Murnane
>Hate
Gypsies

>>22678156
Tarr's one of my favourite novels, but for the same reasons Murphy or Watt or Molloy are among my favourite novels. So I have literally no clue what you're talking about, and it sounds like you don't either.

>>22678186
I've always been a sucker for southern gothic and it seems to me that Mccarthy serves as a natural prolongation or evolution of the thing
With Bulgakov and Nabokov you know like many writers like Dickens or Dostoyevsky betray a certain narrow mindness especially with the latter who's works feel like a subtle propoganda pieces rather than the works of art and Bulgakov and Nabokov are polar opposites of that and I believe their personal flexibility a searching mind a daring mind reflects in their writing
With Jurgen the sheer apologetic stance of his is enough

>>22678225
>>22678233
Why do you like them?

>>22678250
*Unapologetic stance

>>22678240
One of the characters is literally based off James Joyce. They are also just incompatible philosophically.

Is Beckett not just the same slop as Sartre? How is he not? Why was Celine so angry at Sartre?

Is Beckett not a political Leftist?

Plato
Euripides
Sophocles
Tacitus
Cicero
Shakespeare
Flaubert
Melville
Chekhov
Kafka

>>22678068
>SAMUEL FUCKING BECKETT
>he STOLE all of his ideas from Celine
Can you expand on that? My impression was that Beckett was mostly influenced by Céline's syntax.

>>22678270
How do you compare Flaubert's anger against things 'bourgeois' with what Celine describes as 'communo-bourgeois' and also his antisemitism and racism?

>>22678225
>Roth
>Bellow
Rare to see someone having a couple of contemporary(ish) american realists as their favorite authors. Do you like Updike and Mailer?

>>22678281
Did he not just do the same thing thematically Celine accused Sartre of of taking his cynicism but making it much more acceptable to the French, English, American and Russian establishment of Jewish 'bohemian' charlatans?

>love
Henry Miller
DH Lawrence
Emerson
Whitman
Nietzsche
Rexroth (mostly for translations)
A bunch or others…like 20 more..
>hate
Plato
Burroughs (I’ve only tried NL, to be fair)
Confucius


Most books I like or at least don’t hate

>>22678318
Why do you like Lawrence and Nietzsche?

Why do you not like Plato and Confucius?

>>22678252
I like the way Roth explores the complexities of post war jewish american identity and all the post modern cleverness of his narrative structures. That and the dick jokes

>>22678346
I read novels for being thematically profound in how they explore ideas like nihilism and politics not really those kind of issues or stylistic nuances.

>>22678289
Updike great, find Mailer too much of a mixed bag. Been getting into John Cheever
>>22678361
Roth can do politics too, try I Married A Communist; Sabbaths Theater explores the limitations of nihilism

>>22678338
>Lawrence
I always felt he’s a kindred spirit, I like his writing, and his themes. On a more specific level, I like the ever present theme in a lot of his writing of yearning for more than reality provides. The idealistic internal vs the disappointing external reality. I like his critiques of modern society. I like the duel of relationships he presents. I like how he was martyred. I like his Nietzschean philosophy
>Nietzsche
I find his writing inspiring and sometimes sublime. I like his stress on the individual and the artist, channeling disgust and and disappointment into something.
>Plato
He has some great passages and lines but overall he comes off as pedantic and a sophist
>Confucius
I like of some of more mystic Tao stuff but the “know your role and stay in your lane to better society” is not for me. I will always dislike stuff that tells you to be a good boy and part of the collective

>>22678465
How was Lawrence martyred?

>>22678473
Are you being retarded on purpose you faggot? kill yourself already you autistic fuck.

>>22678269
Brother the internet has ruined your ability to enjoy literature.

>>22678068
>love
william gaddis
ezra pound
vladimir nabokov
cormac mccarthy
haruki murakami
>hate
n/a

>>22678518
I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

>>22678549
Is Gaddis similar thematically to Pynchon?

Why do you prefer him if so?

>>22678068
pleb

>>22678539
I have to read only the most sincere of Modernists and to me Fascism is the most sincere form of politics.

That being said I'm apolitical because contemporary society functions under postmodern principles.

>>22678553
Your faux-Socratic questioning is annoying and im beginning to believe these are just AI posts. But again, if you actually are just a really autistic human, please kill yourself.

>>22678560
>Is Gaddis similar thematically to Pynchon?
no
>Why do you prefer him if so?
gaddis reads easy, i can go 30+ pages and not know it. i've not read more natural dialogue.

>>22678539
>>22678573
I was bullied at school and abused my parents. That may have something to do with what you're talking about.

>>22678596
I was vaccinated with the Rudolf Steiner vaccine at the Waldorf Schule I went to. I don't know if that is 'autism' but it essentially gave me a kind of intelligence which is deep but cuts me off from society.

>>22678068
Why is he so ugly bros?

Huysmans
Mallarmé
Mombert
Aeschylus
I hate Brecht

>>22678283
NTA but I think I can answer. Flaubert wasn't exactly angry at the bourgeoisie, it was rather contempt, which came from his position as an artist totally dedicated to his craft. In other words, bourgeois had no taste yet wanted to control art (for example, Mr Arnoux produces industrial art in L'éducation sentimentale). On the other had, I feel like Celine tries to emulate a more direct and spontaneous anger (which fits his prose), which he directs towards pretty much every single group. I honestly believe that his strong antisemitism was influenced by his own style of writing.

>>22678465
Based on what you wrote about Confucius, I can tell you've never read the Analects. It totally eluded you.

>>22678718
Didn't Emil regret his Fascist years?

>>22678694
>>22678713
>>22678777
the saga of incoherent posts, with nonsensical replies, continues. AI or schizo? the plot thickens.

>>22678723
Why do you like Huysmans?

Why do you hate Brecht?

>>22678723
I don't understand the part about Celine.

>>22678694
Well you still came out of it with better taste than most people. I think you'd enjoy Beckett's Murphy - but whatever. All our to-read lists are already way too long.

>>22678225
>love kikes
>ate romans
Simple as

>>22678723
> honestly believe that his strong antisemitism was influenced by his own style of writing.
Sure, Jewish Bolshevism wasn’t even knocking on his door, with a trail of million deaths behind (material and spiritually speaking)

>>22678068
https://nihiladmirabilispress.blogspot.com/

>>22678946
john ashbery is like a quaker or something. new england stock.

>>22678979
I can't read Latin.

>>22679014
boss up lil nigga

lege latine compage

>>22678068
Celine is a street existentialist filled with rage and Beckett is existentialist of the inner filled with quiet.

You're a faggot for comparing these two

>>22678736
Then explain to me, please.

>>22679034
Which textbook on latin would you suggest?

>>22679267
Wheelocks latin, Or Manuel Alvares S.J's Latin Grammar

>Favorite
William Blake
Heraclitus
Comte de Lautreamont
Lev Shestov
Nikolai Gogol
Plato
Vergil
>Hate
Oscar Wilde, his prose bores me to tears

>>22679485
Why do you like Lautreamont?

I agree about Wilde.

>>22679485
>>22679525
Also why do you prefer Gogol to Tolstoy?

>>22679525
There's something beautiful about his dark imagination that brings me to think about Maldoror consistantly, in addition to having the most toxic wit I have ever read (case in point, the final Canto as an overt parody of the typical novels of his day). However, more than that is looking at Maldoror in conjunction with the Poesies, which are more like aphorisms than anything else. Reading them both showcases what is important about Maldoror beyond the blood and gore: Lautreamont seems to profess that literary convention should be rejected as a fetter to the imaginative mind, and in order to reject it he chose to go down the route of evil so scorned by the moralizing authors of his day and to deny the basics of plot to show the art he wanted to make in the way he wished to. Also his violent stories scratch an itch for me that nothing else in any medium of art has, there is a beauty to his cruelty in every story.
>>22679541
I've never read Tolstoy, I mostly read Classical lit hence the Plato, Heraclitus, and Vergil. Gogol and Pushkin are the only other Russian authors I've read, and of Pushkin only Eugene Onegin which is another personal favorite. Gogol like Lautreamont has a caustic wit that I love, especially in Dead Souls and his comedies.

>>22679597
Have you read de Sade?

>>22678129
Didn't they release two whole new books of his in French this year or last year? How much else did he write?

>>22678068
Cervantes
Borges
Calvino
Kafka

What can I say? I know what I like.

>>22680576
Why do you like Don Quixote? Does he remind you of the kind of person you hate?

is celine worth if you arent generally into super bitter stuff?

>>22680697
Probably not. You'd probably prefer James Joyce.

>>22680745
What do you like about Joyce? And why do you prefer him over Beckett?

>>22680753
I hate Joyce. You asked for a rec.

>>22680759
Why do you hate Joyce? Do you believe Celine stole his ideas?

>>22680745
Joyce always sounded unappealing to me. too much literary wankery

>>22678518
Is someone hurting (You) ?

>>22680775
David Foster Wallace maybe?

He's not bitter and less wanking than Joyce I think.

>>22680774
Wyndham Lewis outed him as a charlatan and he was a political Leftist who was jealous of anyone who wasn't a faun, a woman or a Jew who he pretended were 'oppressed' and morally righteous.

>>22680791
Are David Foster Wallace’s books as relevant as Joyces in the current zeitgeist? Are we to believe this?

>>22680805
When did he say this? And to Whom?

>>22680745
>>22680753
>>22680759
>>22680774
>>22680805
>>22680817

Stop talking to yourself

>>22680695
Why would he? And I like Sancho more and maybe even more than that the rogue guy who trolls him with the puppet show. But based on my other favorites, you can surmise I just like metafictional wank.

>>22678233
Based

For me, it's Borges and Flaubert.

>Love
Borges
Guy Davenport
McCarthy
Joyce
Murnane
Kafka

>hate
Most of the new postmodernists like de palol, krasznahorkai, sorokin etc. Most of the people andrei shills for seem to get on my bad side for some reason. Some old postmodernists as well, the likes of McElroy, Barthelme, Barth, Coover don't sit well with me.

>>22679049
They aren't that comparable except in prose style where Celine's influence is obvious but Beckett was also filled with rage, or atleast annoyance that true quiet of the mind isn't really possible as long as one is conscious. That's what Nohow on means.

Dostoievsky
Schopenhauer
Cioran
Jünger
Hesse

>>22679716
I have not but I've meant to, just gotta find the freetime. I plan on starting with Justine and Philosophy of the Bedroom. Any reccs on other works of his in particular?

for me? it's leibniz in both categories

>>22678068
I tried reading Celine and well he kinda sucked. Maybe it was my translation. I can give him another shot if you give me a preferred translation.

Ezra Pound (pronounced poond)

>>22680817
I would say David Wallace is MORE relevant than James Joyce who is COMPLETELY irrelevant.

Was Joyce not a political Leftist?

Who reads him to validate their right to seize power in society if not fauns, women and Jews? His novel is just a kind of holy bible of Leftist control.

>>22681932
I'm not an expert on him but I like the film 'Salo' by Pasolini which is influenced by him.

>>22682534
>His novel is just a kind of holy bible of Leftist control.
I thought it was an incoherent dreamscape using multilingual puns to riff on Irish mythology?

>>22682000
I just find his tgemes profound not necessariky anything else about him. I read Manheim's translation but I don't know if that will galvanize you or not.

>>22682549
You're saying there is no political agenda in 'Ulysses'?

The riffing is itself a way of undermining Fascist rule in Ireland because he associates mythological imagery with Fascist poet-politicians like Pearse and Yeats who he was jealous of because his verse sucked.

>>22682579
I thought you meant Finnegans Wake
What's the agenda in Ulysses? Or do they have the same agenda?

>>22682642
Probably 'Ulysses' is more political. Either way it's the one Leftists use as a holy bible despite the fact they haven't read it.

Love:

Bukowski
Fante (John & Dan)
King
Céline
Proust
Homer
Dante
Coleridge
RAW

Hate:

Delillo
Dickens
Shakespeare
Wordsworth


College was funnnnnnn

>>22678068
i don't hate celine but i just don't get the hype

>>22682725
Why does Ulysses remind of you Celine?

>>22682543
Funnily enough, Salo is my only experience with de Sade. I always forget his connection to the film since the setting is changed to a more contemporary time. I had to get drunk and laugh at the absurdity of the whole situation in order to get through the movie honestly.

>>22678225
>putz

>>22682740
Why do you hate Shakespeare?

>>22682742
I don't think he's supposed to be entertaining or intelligent.

It's just meant to be about themes of hopeless despair.

If you're not hopelessly depressed you probably won't be comforted by those themes.

>>22682792
It does not. Celine was an actual bohemian whereas Joyce was what Lewis calls a 'bourgeois-bohemian'.

>>22682823
I like it because it is a thematic exploration of Fascism.

Love:
Denis Johnson
Brautigan
Bukowski
Steinbeck
Carver

Cannot fucking stand Richard Ford. I couldn’t get past the first twenty pages of The Sportswriter; just completely self indulgent in the worst way. It is the antithesis of all literature I like.
Also Philip Roth can suck my ass.

I only know Beckett exist becauee people keep posting his picture as an young man and claiming that It's Stirner.