/lit/ - Literature

Bakker - King of Fantasy

>>22652176
If you're the guy who just spams Bakker references without any actual prompts for discussion, you are cordially invited to stop.

Something like this, but Western.

>>22652186
Just realized that I didn't explain anything. So basically, he wakes up in a game he used to play as an npc. That's the general premise of it.

>>22652157
A thread or two back, someone recommended A Night in the Lonesome October for a spooky read. Just want to say thanks if you are here. It was fantastic.

>>22652186
>>22652196
terrible writing though,

there is no western scifi isekai litrpg, in fact there are almost no other asian novels like it

An excerpt from the story I'm writing.
A flashback through the eyes of Gaiel.
https://pastebin.com/e1T27tWC

>>22652230
Remove females, sex, romance then post it again

>tfw you're the only person on /lit/ who has read this

>>22652224
Well that's a bummer. Finished Overlord and TLM back to back and was hungering for more novels with the same premise.

>>22652230
>Gaiel
Yikes

>>22652261
I'll bite, what's wrong with that name?

>>22652266
GAYYYYYYYYYYYYY L

>>22652269
XDDD

>>22652260
Have you tried Reincarnation Of The Strongest Sword God?

>>22652269
It's pronounced more like guile or guy-el.

After reading a ton of Clarke Ashton Smith and Darrell Schweitzer, it's now time to read all the Conans in a row. I've only read a few of these years back, so I'm looking forward to a cozy fall.

Would mostly co-sign this edition too - the faux-leatherish fabric is dumb, but the paper stock, font size and type setting are all just fine. Nice to have them all in one place, and this edition was put together by Karl Wagner of Kane fame.

>>22652269
>Abigail
>Gabe

>>22652266
You used half the vowels in one name

>>22652321
That is a feature of their language. The character Brod even gets shit for his name in one chapter from a Factional to which he responds, "Not enough vowels for your liking?"

>>22652230
Rape and behead Arin NOW

>>22652176
SO true

>>22652230
Add more females, more explicit sex, and have the female mc settle down with her younger virgin bf in a loveydovey romance after getting pounded by half the continent.

NO-GOD FUCKING WHEN!??!?!?!?!?!

>>22652332
Lampshading it doesn't magically make it creative or good

Is ASoIF worth reading even if it'll never be finished ?

>>22652345
That remark isn't a device for lampshading, it's to highlight that vowel-heavy names are mark of elegance and noble peerage in their culture and he is looked down upon for have a simple one-syllable name which sounds blunt and inelegant. Like a guy named Grunk being surrounded by people names Louis, Antionette, Genevieve, Napoleon, and whatnot. Have a problem? Take it up with the French.

>>22652260
Pretty sure he's kidding. The western litrpg scene is full of protags stuck in video games.

>>22652157
You know, at the end of the day Tolkien was himself all for Escapism, I believe he didn't aim for much work with his fantasy works. And I while I don't find his work to befit my psyche, I respect it and find it somehow more appealing than most other fantasy that does similar escapist things.

So what is it? Why makes Tolkien special? I don't get it, but I feel it.

>>22652367
Can you provide some examples?

>>22651653
Why do I have to write something "original"? If anything I want to be copyright and trademark anarchist and write and use whatever I want in my stories.

>>22652341
>ai art will replace hu-

>>22652398

>>22652388
You can just google "litrpg about guy stuck in video game" and get plenty to start with. I don't read the genre so I couldn't recommend anything specific. I just know it exists.

>>22652398
It can be a useful tool to sell a concept and there's gratification to be had in seeing scenes and characters from my story illustrated, but yeah I'd never show these off as "official art". It's been a fun little toy to help inspire and motivate my writing, though.

>>22652157
whats some nice fantasy that gets ino the feel of a knight as conan does a barbarian (and a conquerer, and a king).

Something that really oozes personality like Howard did with the afformentioned character.

>>22652449
I use it to make art of characters from obscure old school fantasy books

>>22652230
You should make the Orm guys more explicitly kike indians

>>22652475
I'd like to know this as well. You can find plenty of works with knights in them but very few about a knight being a knight in a way that feels authentic.

Not sure if I should post this on the fantasy scify thread, but I have an idea for a story, and I'd like feedback

So basicaly it's this normal YA stuff, with urban fantasy and monsters and stuff, and other worlds, and suddenly, midway through the story, almost evey character dies and the MC then leaves his world behind and traverses the multiverse, finding it empty, as all worlds are now dead, a great cosmic horror has killed everything. He keeps walking for millions of years and eventualy finds a world similar to his original world were a younger 'self' exist and is about to go through the same thing that sent him on his journey. The story then ends in an ambiguous note, maybe the eldritch horror destroys the new world as well, maybe, he stops the cycle, maybe it doesn't matter and the cycle repeats infinetly

>>22652637
if you want to write it write it. but it probably has zero commercial potential, you can't sell a book where the hook is a rugpull

>>22652182
get used to it, pal. this is a shitposting general and that autist is on his 4th straight year of this behavior. there is zero moderation because mods are all retarded newfags themselves
>>22652250
>tfw you're the only person on /lit/ who has read x
get used to it, pal. this is a shitposting general full of fags who don't read at all and fags who only read whatever is popular then ruin all discussion about other books.
>>22652406
this better not have replaced the pasta

>>22652609
They're more heavily inspired by the Italian city-states and Ottoman Empire, but they do have a reputation for being scrupulous bankers due to the sheer volume of commerce that goes through their city-states.
Coincidentally, there is a culture that will be major players later on who are inspired by the Jews and Sikhs. A formally nomadic people with a history of persecution and attempted genocides that caused them to develop a warrior culture and found networks of insular fortress-cities dotting an empire on the other side of the world where an entirely different story arc is unfolding. I might make a primer for that one later, but most of my focus has been busting out this arc so far.

>>22652589
that looks like shit

>>22652363
There's really no reason for why normal people wouldn't give themselves vowel heavy names to appear more noble like. Either way the name isn't elegant or intricate like those are, you just shoved a bunch of vowels into a one syllable name.

>>22652157
Promise of Blood, Powder Mage #1 - Brian McClellan (2013)

Do you dislike Brandon Sanderson? If so, you may not need to read to any further, as this is a Sandersonian novel through and through. If you enjoy all things Sanderson adjacent, then you may want to read this as well. McClellan took the same writing class taught by Sanderson twice. The first time Sanderson said he needed to write better and be more creative. The second he said he had great talent and a future in writing. Both seem accurate to me. Maybe eventually McClellan comes into his own voice, or maybe that doesn't matter at all in terms of commercial sales. In any case, here's what it's about and what I thought about that.

Adamat is an ex-police, private investigator, and failed book publisher. He's been summoned to see the field marshal, Tamas, who has just deposed the king, slaughtered the Privileged in their sleep, and will soon publicly execute many hundreds. He's also the second POV. Tamas tasks Adamat to find out what the dying gasps of the Privileged mean. Taniel, the third POV, is Tamas's son and has been tasked with hunting down a dangerous Privileged. When they finish these tasks, Tamas gives them more tasks. Nila, a servant of a noble, is the fourth POV and becomes quite involved despite her station. Most of the book is about putting down the remaining Royalists, being worried about an impending invasion, and it wouldn't be a Cosmere-ish novel if it didn't involve something from beyond.

This book has at least four magic systems. Sometimes it wants to be hard fantasy and at other times it's as soft as it comes. There's the Privileged, who are elementalists and who can renounce their powers to be able to nullify magic. The Marked snort gunpowder as if it were magical cocaine with similar effects plus being able to mentally control bullets. The Knacked have one arbitrary magical ability. Then there's the one that isn't really understood but uses dolls and other stuff with a variety of abilities. That seems like an excessive amount to me.

Everything about this book is on the borderline of adequate and inadequate. The characters aren't notable or especially distinct, but that's fine. The dialogue is lacking, but it works. The plot doesn't do enough and not the way I prefer. The magic is cluttered and overdone. The worldbuilding suffices. Its greatest flaw may be its lack of focus and coherence.

Promise of Blood is tolerably written and has a lot that I could like, which makes it become rather disappointing in its failure to do enough with its content. For me this a case where an author's reach has exceeded his grasp. McClellan's skill isn't matched by his ambitions. There could've been a book I would've loved to read here, but then it would be an entirely different book. I haven't the slightest interest in continuing. That's why I'm rounding down. However, you may like it considerably more than I did since these are mostly personal issues.

Rating: 2.5/5

>>22652727
>you just shoved a bunch of vowels into a one syllable name.
It's more of a two syllable name that flows so well it almost sounds like one. Now that's elegance ;^)

>>22652757
That's a shame, I had my eye on it since I've been trying to find good fantasy that's progressed past the medieval age into gunpowder.
I gave this one a try and while it had a lot of elements I like (gunpowder, low magic, humans-only), I found the worldbuilding pretty boring (not-France colonizing not-North Africa) and the story didn't go far beyond a single city. I was kind of hoping for more of an adventure, but that's what I get for buying blind based on the premise of gunpowder fantasy and a non-european setting.

>>22652157
Can you niggas recommend sone coomer fantasy schlock to fap to. Going on noporn and gonna need stuff for stuff

>>22652805
The vast majorityof the /sffg/ ratings are 4 or 5 stars, so you may end up liking it more than I did as I noted at the end. I tried reading your image as well, but didn't get very far in it. I've been looking at and reading a lot of recent releases in the last year or so.

>>22652811
Not slop, but is coomer.

>>22652811
If you want to fuck your mom and the rest of your family

>>22652859
Hope I'm not being baited into reading female power fantasy

>>22652872
>Heinlein

Disgusting. But I see the coomer potential

>>22652885
You are being baited because it isn't a male power fantasy.

>>22652811
Kushiel's Dart if you are into cucking/netorare that turns into netorase/hotwife and BDSM

Any good 21st century Sword & Sorcery?

I was in bed all day and night sick with something having xianxia fever dreams. Natural processes like coughing and sneezing were explosions of cultivators fighting for benefits. Even moving over to my side or back had implications going a thousand chapters back.

>>22653098
You wouldn't even be sick if your foundation were stronger.

>>22652157
Any GOOD fantasy series with prominent dullahan characters?

>>22653107
Drrrrrr!

>>22652949
The copper cat and The Thief Who Pulled on Trouble's Braids are two of the only ones I can think of that actually follow the S&S model of short stories. I think I gave both 3/5 so they're fun but not really satisfying.
I unironically think that the best 21st century sword and sorcery is the Warhammer Gotrek & Felix books which despite being obvious homages to the genre are still good in their own right.
>>22653107
Durarara!!

>>22653126
>>22653130
He said good

This is my shelf. I only buy stuff I consider my all time favorites.

>>22653107
Touhou Project
https://youtu.be/NZdiH3TrbKU

>>22653126
>>22653130
Translator's note: This is the onomatopoeia of a motorcycle's engine revving up, however it is also a metaphor for the lives of its characters kicking into high gear.

What book should I read with my girlfriend?

>>22653158
The Kingkiller Chronicles.

>>22653158
One that you agree upon.

>>22652757
I had a similar reaction, though I didn't have as much issue with the variety of magic systems as I did with a lot of the major mysteries of the setting being revealed by the end of book 1. Felt like the revelations and upping of the stakes he did in the first book would've been better served for book 2 at a minimum. I didn't feel compelled to continue either on account of how he basically laid his whole hand on the table at the end of book 1.

>>22652378
His work is founded on a lifetime of scholarly research and passion, and the depth and quality of his stories reflects this.

>>22652351
Yes. Even unfinished the first three books in particular are some of the best fantasy you'll find anywhere. Book 4 and 5 are more controversial, but I personally like both. The only real misgivings I have about them is the scope creep they introduce to the overall plot which has undoubtedly contributed to the delays in finishing the story.

>>22653186
Yeah, that was odd as well. It's understandable if it's a standalone, but there's two trilogies now and various short fiction. Maybe it's just because it was his first novel and he thought needed to do it all as quickly as possible.

>>22653186
>on account of how he basically laid his whole hand on the table at the end of book 1.
He really didn't. Kresimir is a red herring.

>>22653237
I get that sense as well. A big motivator for me to keep reading a big series is digging into the setting and the pasts of the characters to figure out the mysteries therein, and that's something that big names like Jordan or even Sanderson are good at doing. McClellan must've missed that particular lecture, or else Sanderson keeps that particular trick of the trade close to his chest, cause nearly all his stories have that element to them.

>>22653244
Oh I'm sure he probably came up with more twists since he continued to write a lot more books in that setting, but the thing is I don't care about any of them because of the way he wrote book one. The story did not leave me wanting to find out more, so it failed, at least for me.

Any story that uses technology, swords, and magic all at once? And those things aren't all t hat important, but just there for a setting?

>>22653272
40k

>>22653213
>Even unfinished the first three books in particular are some of the best fantasy you'll find anywhere
-man who has read three books

>>22653282
I've read hundreds of fantasy and sci-fi books. I rate GRRM's stuff among the best of any of it that I've read. Especially for the character writing, it's phenomenal by SF&F standards.

Powder Mage 2nd Trilogy doesn't have Taniel or his mute waif-waifu so I sleep

>>22653304
ok.

>>22653316
It literally does.

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

>>22653332
Does it? I couldn't force myself through the first book.

>>22653351
Yes, they are central characters. Also, Mikel is based as fuck and the second trilogy is much better than the first in general.

>>22653347
all of these look like ya slop

Silverberg: 88
Atwood: 83
Haldeman: 80
Modesitt: 80
Cook: 79
Martin: 75
Gibson: 75
Simmons: 75
Bujold: 73
Card: 72
Hobb: 71
Kay: 68
Williams: 66
Watts: 65
Salvatore: 64
Erikson: 64
Hamilton: 63
Stephenson: 63
Gaiman: 62
Egan: 62
Collins: 61
Wells: 59
Rowling: 58
Reynolds: 57
Leckie: 57
Bakker: 56
Chiang: 56
Scalzi: 54
Abraham: 53
Weir: 51
Miéville: 51
Jemisin: 51
Cline: 51
Rothfuss: 50
Dinniman: 48
Abercrombie: 48
Bardugo: 48
Howey: 48
Sanderson: 47
Liu: 47
Baldree: 46
Lynch: 45
Y.H. Lee: 44
Mandel: 44
Palmer: 42
Islington: 42
Muir: 38
Martine: 38
Maas: 37
Brown: 35
Roth: 35
Kuang: 27

What are some examples of young and successful SFF writers? Who are the luminaries and prodigies these days of the current era? Do the elders yet reign supreme?

>>22653422
Rothfuss is 50? What a pathetic excuse for a person.

>>22653422
Me, once I complete my magnum opus and have it published to critical acclaim.

>>22653443
How many years have you been saying that here? Also, wouldn't it be sad if your first finished work is your magnum opus?

>>22653487
I've only been working on it for 8 months.

>>22653497
How much longer do you estimate? A few years?

>>22653370
might start reading it again then after I finish RI

>>22653422
Now post how old these authors were when their big hits came out. You'll find most of them were mid-30s, I bet.

>>22653525
With editing and trying to get it published, I'd say so.

Can anyone recommend me some good mysteries/police procedurals with a scifi/fantasy twist?

>>22653575
have you read asimov

>>22653575
You're probably better off with historical fiction than fantasy/scifi for your mystery dressing.
The sff elements usually make everything too obvious.

Imager 1-3's alright for what you want, it's about a trainee mage who becomes a mix between a fantasy beat cop and a spy. The magic is powerful but pretty restricted which makes the mystery element of the plot work okay.

>>22653575
The Demolished Man

>>22653575
The City and The City and >>22653662

is third person omnsicient the best perspective for fantasy?

>>22653682
No it's garbage

>>22653662
>read this months ago
>nobody wanted to talk about it with me
:c

>>22653700
every time i think about it i get that fucking jingle stuck in my head

>>22653716
heh
i don't remember the jingle at this point but i thought the entire concept of it was brilliant

>>22653575
Uhhh Pynchon if it's your type

>>22653575
Altered Carbon is fun story, but DO NOT READ THE SEQUELS. THEY SUCK ASS!!!!!!

>>22653443
Based.
YOU WILL BE A DRAGON

Give me a book one of you fags actually wrote

>>22653571
Iirc Watts didn't even start writing until he was around 40

>>22652411
So you don't actually have any examples, and you don't even know if any such novels exist (western scifi litrpg)

>>22652637
>YA stuff,
Stopped reading there

>>22653098
Congrats, you just passed a heavenly tribulation!

I'm a quarter in, and wanna share some thoughts on this.

>the bulk of the world building is done shittily, but the actual world itself is good

>combat is surprisingly the worst part due to the laughable amount of detail it goes into

>good scenes, good choice making, good characterization and decent enough dialogue

All in all I thought it was going to be significantly worse than it has been thus far. At its
core it is essentially an anime in word form, but you could do a lot worse nowadays.

Got these at the goodwill
No idea what the Barry Hughart book is about desu

>>22654195
That hardcover Dying Earth is amazing. Good pick ups, anon. I can never find anything worth reading at my local thrift shops.

>>22654151
I couldn't get past the terrible prose, although it could just be the translation. Glad you're enjoying it, I wanted to because the world/setting seems awesome.

>>22653575
Lol anon gave a free PDF last thread of a book he wrote based on this preference

>>22653752
I agree about 3 but what didn't you like about 2?
sure it was really wasn't like AC but the spaceship/ayy lmaos were cool enough

>>22654381
I tried reading it but it was shit.

>>22652157
My copy of The First Law got delivered today. What am I in for

>>22652351
I think at this point you can arrive at the logical narrative that follows from where GRRM left off, which is why he can't really write anymore because he suffers from Subversion Syndrome. Without spoiling anything we have the broad strokes on who does what and who ends up where because GRRM does understand storytelling and he does understand characterization. That's one reason he's a great editor. His eyes for storytelling trails merit through every project he works on. The issue is that he wants to become the sapper to his own carpentry. I think anyone could read ASOIAF at this point and be satisfied because they're going into it with a stone cold certainty that not only will it never be finished, but thanks to the show we know that if it did ever reach its end it'd be terminal.

>>22654435
You have to be realisitc about these things

I am bored. Reading completely insane fanfictions usually fixes that. Please recommend me something. As a token of gratitude, have this cool monkey picture

Why don't they adapt chick shits into anime?
Writing depth aside, when it comes to the pure unfiltered hype, chinks do it better than Shounen by miles.

Any suggestions for books about or featuring Druids?

>>22654719
China has its own massive industry with animations and live actions.
Most really big web novels get tv shows i.e. basically everything Mao Ni has done

>>22654719
LoTM is getting an anime adaptation though

>>22654744
Unfortunately they are really bad

>>22654776
CGI is just dogshit in general.

>>22654790
Chinese animation is actually quite good (because they spend a ton of money on it) but directing and story telling is absolutely terrible, Chinese live action (wuxia shows) has same problems, absolutely terrible directing and story telling

>>22654760
JP dub or I am not watching it.

>>22652757
>>22652805
>>22653186
Honestly enjoyed the first two books, and should get around to reading the third. It’s not groundbreaking writing by any means, but it’s perfectly enjoyable reading any rate- the Sanderson comparison is pretty apt. This does rely heavily on the novelty of “fantasy but in a napoleonic era” which to be fair is fun. Especially when you have a magic system built around being able to control gunpowder and the force it generates. The only other series I can think of in that niche is the Shadow Campaigns, but that goes up its own ass introducing strong queer female characters by the third book.

Also the first book makes it seem like McClellan reveals the whole plot before it begins, but he does a good job of picking it up and reigniting the intrigue in the second book. Again nothing ground breaking, but it all works in a perfectly serviceable way.

>>22652757
I was looking for this one, glad I didn't waste my time pirating it

If there's one word that Bakker likes more than 'phallus', it may just be 'ochre'

>>22652300
checked. take it easy anon and just enjoy it - that's a great edition

>>22653575
Titanium Noir, it came out a few months ago and it's great. it'd say it's 70% noir 30% sci-fi. I also second The City and the City

>>22654826
I'm glad to see someone else liked it here. While obviously not high art, it's an incredibly enjoyable read if you like flintlock/gunpowder fantasy or the napoleonic warfare period.

Anyone read this? I'm about 200 pages in and not sure if I should keep reading.

The last chapter I read ended with 'it was Aliens'. Which made me think of the ancient aliens guy.

Broke: preferring science-fiction
Woke: preferring fantasy
Ascended: preferring science-fantasy

>>22652757
/sffg/ Goodreads group ratings
5 stars: 8
4 stars: 12
3 stars: 5
2 stars: 3

Bakker: the king of Fantasy.

>>22654916
I've briefly looked at a few books he's written and haven't been interested in any of them.

>>22654959
I read his last one called The Last Astronaut and it wasn't a bad book but it wasn't that good either. Far too much padding and non eventful for the most part.

The characters in Paradise-1 are good and it has a decent bit of humor, but it is supposed to be space opera/horror. The tone is to light to be horror though and it is pretty soft on the sci-fi parts so far.

Think I'll come back to it and read something else for now.

>>22654994
I don't personally believe in suspending my reading of something and coming back to read it later in favor of something else. It seems like a weird hedge to me. Though I also prefer only doing one thing at a time if possible.

Any fantasy worth reading where there is alot of milf fucking???

Trust me, Im asking the real question here.

>>22655121
Fantasy is dogshit because of people like you.

>>22655136

Just going to drop some King Bakker here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmZpowr3Gs

Any good fantasy book about revenge? Bonus points if the main character isn't a murderhobo or hot headed, I love smart plans and all

>>22655169
>Bakker, brother, please write another... I'm desperate here

>>22655223
Which one of you was it?

>>22655169
There's more of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez-O5XrG_tM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQDx3bdIQ_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFLa_Mw8YXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDuwX8NWskk

>>22655228
Bakkerfags would not dare address our king as "brother"

>>22655169
>I enrolled in my philosophy degree because of your books
Unfathomably based

>>22655223
He literally is desperate. Imagine your biggest fan being some psychotic internet loon from fuckin' reddit.

Three-quarters of the way through The White-Luck Warrior. I can taste the Anasûrimbor Serwa up in the air.... our guy Sorweel going for it hard fr nc

>>22652859
There's a lot of sex but none of it is sexy.

>>22655169
>at least two more books
Well. There it is.

>>22655207
The Stars My Destination

>>22655207
Best Served Cold by Joe Abercrombie

>>22653272
Amber. Dune.

>>22655275
I won't believe it until I have the first book in my hands.

>>22653682
Just use any and all of them, depending on what you need.

>>22654414
He tried

>>22654435
A huge load of shit.

Are you people ever happy? Every book you people read and post about is considered shit

>>22655373
>you people
>you people
Where does your kind come from?

You have been visited by Oannes, the wisdom-sharing fish person of Mesopotamia. Good reading experiences and wondrous adventures await you if you but heed his advice and read Walter Moers

>>22655377
From your sisters cunt

>>22655373
This is 4chan, everyone is bitter and measures their taste by what they hate, not what they like. If you want earnest discussion in good faith, you know where to go.

>>22655413
So Reddit or Fagbook. Thanks for answering.

>>22654635
https://archiveofourown.org/works/46715119/chapters/117653653

>>22655373
It's almost as if people have different tastes and this thread serves as a discussion forum of books people like and dislike.

>>22653682
Absolutely.

>>22655383
>walter moers
Where do I start, fish person?

>>22654435
You're a retard for buying that reddit garbage

>>22655476
Captain Bluebear's 13 and a half lives, naturally.

Like Erikson and Esslemont's Malazan, the 2nd Apocalypse also began life as a D&D campaign, this one between Scott Bakker and his brother.
Observe here authentic drawings drawn by Scott in the 1980's and a poem written by his brother

https://www.newsload.ca/post/insights-on-the-second-apocalypse-book-series

Would you guys like to read a fantasy book I'm currently writing?

>>22655373
I'm only happy when i read books with hags.

>>22655540
Post it.

>>22655537
>As some of you know, my brother is considered to be one of the greatest fantasy authors of all time.
so true

>>22655540
Post the first page.

>>22655373
>Every book you people read and post about is considered shit
People who enjoy the books they read read them instead of shitposting.

>>22655551
>>22655564
here's the pdf. and screenshot of the first page

https://litter.catbox.moe/nyopam.pdf

>>22655577
I'm going to assume from the first few lines that your character is either homsexual or a woman. Either way, sharn't be reading more.

>>22655585
gottem

Esmenet's butt!

>>22655585
It's about a homo in a dystopian future where the tranny devil reigns, and all sorts of degenerate pleasures exists. As he travels around, he learns said tranny devil isn't the true incarnation of God, and he slowly opens himself to the Lord and Savior himself.

It's loosely based on Paul the Apostle's journey and the creation of the first Christian church. But in this case, the church is dead, and it is a homo that rediscovers it.

>>22655593
>It's about a homo
Why?

>>22655593
>gay mc
Be original. This is a waste of time.

>>22655618
An asexual mc in a world of degenerate pleasures could be interesting, although degenerate pleasures imply more than sex.

>>22655622
Did you read anon's one page? MC is not implied to be asexual.

>>22655609
because i needed a character that was degenerate, disgusting, and unrelatable.
>>22655618
I couldn't figure out which one of the other 52 genders to use that you ascribe to. Stop trying to self-insert yourself into stories.

>>22655593
Bro, who is this book even for?

>Ex-homos aren't a real thing so no audience there, and gays are already rare to begin with
>straight men don't want to read about homos and trannies
>women will put down the book the moment they find it religious because muh patriarchy
>lgbt freaks don't want to read stories about Christianity
>Christians don't want to read stories about lgbt freaks

The bulk of the readership would only enjoy portions of the book that they'll never even get to.

>>22655628
He's a victim of his environment. The entire journey is to rediscover Jesus Christ.

>>22655628
I know, but that anon was complaining that gay mcs were unoriginal (even though, I can't think of many gay male sf/f mcs, to be honest) and obviously a straight mc is even less original, so I could only divine he meant an asexual mc. Unless he meant bisexual mc, but...

>>22655633
Sounds like he's intentionally trying to filter several demographics to appeal to an extremely enlightened and open-minded niche of reader-elite.

>>22655633
For me.
>Ex-homos aren't a real thing so no audience there, and gays are already rare to begin with
>straight men don't want to read about homos and trannies
>women will put down the book the moment they find it religious because muh patriarchy
Good thing I put in a female girl-boss in there. And girls love homoshit. Yaoi fangirls buy shit.
>lgbt freaks don't want to read stories about Christianity
Reddit-tier pseudo intellectualism will keep their attention.
>Christians don't want to read stories about lgbt freaks
But they do when it's about them converting back to christianity.

>>22655593
Are you mentally ill, or just plain stupid? seriously.

>>22655577
>it's well written
>good hook
>first chapter is interesting
>so much fag shit written in a very disturbing manner
This is written for 4chan.

>>22655645
both.

>>22655645
He seems to believe in and follow a semitic religion. Of course he's some bland mixture of both.

>>22655618
>Be original
I refuse.

>>22655622
there's drugs, cannibalism, ritual sacrifices, torture, lies, homelessness, etc. And it's all portrayed as "normal". Just like today!

>>22655682
>cannibalism, ritual sacrifices,
>it's all portrayed as "normal". Just like today!
Uh huuuuh.

>>22655641
I don't know of it, but there's probably a better of getting across whatever it is you want without alienating the bulk of the intended audience. I only say this because the writing itself is actually good, and I feel it's going to be wasted. Saying it's just for you is always a cope. Sure, we write what we know and enjoy, but if hardly anyone liked, read, or cared about your work after all the effort you put into it it would bother you.

>>22655694
oh well i tried. I guess I can always drop it and write something else. If initial feedback is this negative, I'll just put it in my bin and try for something else. It's only 35k words.

>>22655589
I need more brown waifus in fantasy books

>>22655682
I would like more poison tipped dildos, necrophilia, cuckoldry, particularly involving beasts or corpses, and drinking and playing with bloods containing different diseases. Thank you.

>>22655715
I'd definitely still finish it, and if it turns out you don't like the end result you at least have something you can take the working parts off of for another project.

>>22655721
fuck. I need a gurl to give me sloppy toppy

>>22655682
> cannibalism, ritual sacrifices
Just be sure not to include incest, otherwise people may actually get uncomfortable

>your work is good but it's too hard to get publishers to take new authors seriously
I'm considering rope.

>>22655783
I want to add a chapter about furries and this strange phenomenon where people are so taken in by some communities they alienate everyone else. The problem is that I have to go to a furry convention to do research.

>>22655805
Self pub?

>>22655764
But only by a brown queen

>>22655805
Write some hackeneyed shit and then use that clout to get your real books published, Even great writers like John Brunner, J.G Ballard, Robert Silverberg among others had to do go through that.

>>22655715
I wouldn't hinge whether or not to continue a project on 4chan's reception. This is a place of very specific tastes and we're prone to be negative about everything because genuinely enjoying anything is cringe and gay. You could write the next literary flagship, and this thread would still be full of non-authors impotently stomping their feet and calling it r*ddit and onions.

>>22655820
Been considering it
>>22655836
This too, I'm working on some dog ass pulpy science-fantasy to widen the door so I can get my schizoid fantasy through

>>22655442
>It was a monstrous 340k-Chinese-character long piece combining my immature attempt to create an modern retelling of Princess Mononoke using Touhou project characters and my immitation to my mental guide and writing teacher, Fyodor Dostoevsky. It also contains elements of William Faulkner and Franz Kafka, who gave me enlightenment during my struggle against absurdity, and Hermann Hesse, who helped me gain peace during my troubled youth.
Thanks, exactly what i was looking for

>>22655805
What king of story did you write?

>>22655929
It's a fantasy story about a succession crisis, where children to an odin-like figure brutally murder eachother in an iron-age civil war; while a masonic/gnostic order of anti-natalists travel to steer the conflict in their favour.

>>22655978
Premise sounds cool desu

>>22656012
Thanks man! If I do go ahead with self-publishing I'll post here. Probably in the new year once every agent I've queried has rejected me

>>22656021
dew it

>>22656021
We've had a number of self-pub anons post their Amazon links in the past; they typically pop up once or thrice then disappear to wherever they came from but it does happen on occasion. I can't say anything for any of these writers to have been successful or not.

>>22656038
Does earning 35 cents count as success?

>>22655633
>>straight men don't want to read about homos and trannies
But i do

>>22656038
Thanks man. It's really not about the money, I simply love the genre and want to share my favourite parts of it with as many people as I can

>>22656051
Is that before or after Bezos takes his cut?

>>22656111
After.

>>22656123
How many sales is that from?

>>22656123
Nice! Just release two more novels and you'll have that first dollar to frame and put on your wall

>>22656135
1 sale. F Gardner is a bigger success story than I am.

>>22656167
link your book I'll buy it

>>22656167
Post the cover art I bet it's ass.

>>22656167
>F Gardner is a bigger success story than I am.
Same.

Can someone recommend me some, I dunno what to call it, "WW1-era" fantasy/scifi/alt-history books? I don't necessarily mean stories actually written during that era, but roughly set between the years 1890-1920 or a realm with equivalent technological/aesthetic standards.
A few inspirations or examples of what I mean:
>HP Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos
>Windsor McKay's Nemo in Dreamland
>Mike Mignola's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Atlantis: The Lost Empire
There's certainly going to be some intersection with steampunk here but I don't necessarily want that translated directly, and I've already gotten my fill of naked Planetary Romances by Rice Burroughs et al

>>22656167
On the other hand, you aren't F G*rdn*r so that's a massive win for you existentially.

>>22655121

>>22656186
>Killer Moves
>Battlefield Killer Moves
>Combat Systems
>Gu Houses
>Formations
>Battle Formations
>Domains of Heaven and Earth
>Fake Gu
>Venerable Wills
I kinda miss when RI was just Fang Yuan being an evil dick and looking in his aperature and seeing liquor worm splash around cutely

>>22656253
lmao

>>22656253
Not once in the 8000+ years of human civilization has anyone looked upon a book cover featuring a stock photograph edited with effects and thought, "Wow, how tasteful! Surely this is a gripping fantasy adventure with vivid worldbuilding by a passionate and articulate author!"

>>22656300
I'd say you're Dead Wrong chud

>>22656253
>becoming a wicked old hag
the single most white woman book ever written

>>22656279
I personally enjoyed everything that came with the wisdom path, author done a really good job there. Killer moves, battlefield killer moves, gu houses and formations are just a natural progression of creation of new gu.
In fact RI magic system is probably one of the best ever written.

>>22656312
I wish Xue Er had more development.
>Fang Yuan gets a fiancee for political reasons
>The political reasons are almost immediately unimportant
>He even kills her in one timeline
All right fine, Fang Yuan is just patently unromantic
>Immediately gets weepy eyed the second he sees a mermaid
Fang Yuan you rascal!

>>22656300
And now we get AI shit covers.

I've been visiting used book sales and buying every sff hardback with a nice handpainted cover I can find.

>>22656563
>this all happens because Fang Yuan was directly exposed to the literal bug-people culture of the world

>>22656300
I can't decide if I hate that type of cover more than
>white background
>stylized image photoshopped in front of abstract pattern in monotone colors
Boy howdy I just love how 1/3 of the bookshelf in the fantasy section is white covers.

I started reading Cameron's The Red Knight. Is it explained why Christianity exists in a secondary fantasy world? I roll my eyes a bit at typical boring anti-religious tropes, but if it's explained well I'll take a chance.

>>22656212
She

>>22656021
>>22655820
Self-pub is a complete waste of time.

>>22656719
I've already read this (and watched both the 1930s and the 1960s film versions) but thanks for the recommendation anyway, fairly based taste

>>22656731
Ok. Then all I can suggest is to look through Archive for Argosy magazine and read anything that looks interesting.

>>22656762
I already trawl through old pulp magazines, what I was hoping for was relatively modern works, things written after WW1 had ceased to be living memory among the population at large

>>22656728
traditional pub is a waste of time as well. For every 10k seller, you get another 20-30 books that barely crack a 100 sold.

>>22656805
bookfags...

>>22655383
what did you think about the latest one

>>22657027
At least those authors got their check from the publisher upfront. Sure the royalties would be nice but even without any they're still making more than they would if they selfpubbed and gave away their book to amazon.

>>22657027
jfc you could get more eyeballs on your work just by posting it on wattpad, archiveofourown, or royalroad.

>>22657076
eyeballs don't translate into sales

>>22657076
It’s free there. Eyeballs do not equal dollars

>>22657027
Jeez. At that point I would rather put my book out for fucking free on kindle. With a good advertising campaign you can get way more readers.

>>22657088
What I'm saying is as a sf/f author, would you rather publish it traditionally, get 10 sales, then basically drop off the face of the earth or would you rather post it for free on a popular amateur fiction site and actually get people reading and talking about it?

>>22657099
The only way you're getting any real traction on any website these days is by personally marketing (read: shilling) your story everywhere you can. And if you cared that much you'd be doing it for your tradpub'd book as well and giving out free digital reader copies in exchange for reviews. The truth of the matter is the people whose books sold so few copies probably just weren't interested in doing the extra legwork to get more readers and were happy enough with the money.

>nearly 1800 chapters into Martial World
>Lin Ming beats up a bunch of girls because they were bullying another girl that was also human like he and whom he gave pills to
Now that he is in ~Soul World~ I decided to catch up on Infinite Realm, leaving off after Zach vs. Ra'azel in Consequence. I hope they fuck the yeti up. I wonder what the significance of the Dao Aspects will be.
This fucker has started YET ANOTHER new series. Finish Universe on Fire already and/or at least conclude your gay multiverse. Or pour all your 'tism into completing Infinite Realm.

Science Fiction
These dumbass writers ate the whole thing, fucked themselves to a corner, what else? Who TF is visiting you?

>>22657027
That's wrong though.
https://countercraft.substack.com/p/no-most-books-dont-sell-only-a-dozen

>>22657167
Most important bit:
Hey y'all, it's Kristen McLean, lead industry analyst from NPD BookScan. I thought I would chime in with some numbers here, since that statistic from the DOJ is super-misleading

>>>0.4% or 163 books sold 100,000 copies or more

>>>0.7% or 320 books sold between 50,000-99,999 copies

>>>2.2% or 1,015 books sold between 20,000-49,999 copies

>>>3.4% or 1,572 books sold between 10,000-19,999 copies

>>>5.5% or 2,518 books sold between 5,000-9,999 copies

>>>21.6% or 9,863 books sold between 1,000-4,999 copies

>>>51.4% or 23,419 sold between 12-999 copies

>>>14.7% or 6,701 books sold under 12 copies

Just bought Greg Egan's latest triology, anyone have any experience with it? loved his other work a LOT. quarantine, permutation city, diaspora.. so kino

>>22657189
>51.4% or 23,419 sold between 12-999 copies
This is still grim statistics.

>>22657191
I assume you mean the Orthogonal trilogy. Yeah, I read and wrote about them. For some reason they aren't in the archive though. I've written about a lot of what he's wrote. I enjoyed them, but they are rather different in a lot of ways from the ones you've mentioned.

>>22657189
>BUT, I think the real story is that roughly 66% of those books from the top 10 publishers sold less than 1,000 copies over 52 weeks. (Those last two points combined)

>And less than 2% sold more than 50,000 copies. (The top two points)
This is still pretty sad for the industry.

>>22657208
Given the sheer volume of books published each year, many of which are for very niche audiences or purposes, I wouldn't expect the majority of books to sell 50,000 copoes.

>>22657207
yeah that's the triology. I hope that they vibe with me. glad to hear it sounds like you were at least a little into them.

I have a pretty big back log, I'm about to finish the red rising series and then I have one more scifi, then I'm back to Egan.

>>22657088
Neither does being published, evidently. At least someone self pubbing gets exposure.

>>22652757
>sanderson book by sanderson
>great
>sanderson book by someone else
>not good
>despite having all the same exact issues
Also genuinely depressing that that hack is allowed to teach anyone. That video series on youtube is embarrassingly basic, but I guess that's what you should expect when the only qualification is that he's a somewhat famous mormon and it's a mormon "school".

>>22657273
I'm not sure you who are referring to, because I don't consider any Sanderson book to be great. There's some that I've enjoyed, but not more than that. As for others, as I posted here >>22654935 the majority liked Promise of Blood as well.

Would it be okay to ask here if someone could help me find certain stories that I don't remember the name of and google doesn't help either?

>>22657286
Why wouldn't you ask? Where do you think you are? There's no one you need to ask permission from. Just do as you will. Everyone else does.

>>22657273
>That video series on youtube is embarrassingly basic
Isn't that the point? I thought it was basically a free intro to the course he wants you to pay money for

Maybe someone can help me find certain horror storys that I can't seem to find myself. I think they are at least related to Lovecraft and his crew but google doesn't give me anything.
1.
>it's about a Couple that lives in the wild west
>they build a house on a big stone plate so they don't need to do flooring
>wife kills a snake
>at night they wake up and the whole house is full of snakes
2.
>it's about the assistant of a pharmacist
>has to deliver something to a women that lives in the swamps
>woman is a witch and drugs hin
>he gets raped and has a nightmare trip through the swamp
3.
>it's about a Man and his mother
>the mother is old but really wants to take a look into an abandoned house
>the son goes with her
>than the horror escalates while they constantly try to reason why they shouldn't go yet
4.
>It's about two man who go to the countryside
>they want to invastigate something
>it turns out that there is an inbreed family who has tunnels all through the land and hills
>in the end they blow up most of it
5.
>A Priest wants to proselytize a remote village
>he hires Indians who are supposed to lead him there
>they get scared and run away half way
>he reaches the villages alone and discovers that they worship Satan
>he beats them to death with his bible
6.
>it plays in the new world
>I think about spanish people in a villa
>they have a party
>at a certain point they get attacked by natives
7.
>It's about a man who investigates the death of a blind man
>he finds his diary at his desk and reads it
>the blind man wrote down what happend before his death
>and it gets from normal diary to paranoia and the certainty that he will die there

>>22656311
Actually sweaty she's a recently divorced and about to turn sixty hot gilf and every male character wants to have sex with her.

>>22656253
>book 3 is literally called "Game of Crones"

Silk is totally a jew, but I love him. He's the only one who's really looked out for Garion since leaving the farm. Absolute bro.

>>22657442
He's a real one, he was obviously eddings favorite character and him and garion totally steal the show in the last book.

>>22652757
Shame you didn't like it very much. I though it was pretty neat (though more style than substance), and the second trilogy/sidestories are probably the most enjoyable part of the series.
Definitely recommend it for someone who likes napoleonic-era stuff, can post a reading order for the short stories if anyone is interested (recommend reading them between the first and second trilogies)

>>22657442
wait til you get to the Malloreon he gets even more based

How long after finishing a book do you open the next one?

>>22657492
the next day usually

>>22655783
The Coffin of Andy and Leyley is a really interesting case study as to people's perception of depraced shit, and how sexual deviancy is thought of as more impactful than actual fucking murder/cannibalism
Anyways, recs for books that have the same vibe as the game?

>>22657492
Depends on my investment on the last one. Sometimes a book was so shit I lose all drive to read for a few days, other times the book was so good I can't get myself to read anything else for a few days because I'm still invested in it.
Usually though, if the book was neither too good or too bad, the next day I'm already reading something new

>>22657475
Reading order
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?44366+None

>>22656212
The Abhorsen series is exactly what you want. It is YA though, albeit very good YA.

>>22656563
No, thanks, we don't need another romance xanxia.

>>22656711
>Being exposed to vicissitudes of life is now bad

>>22657692
imagine if Fang Yuan was reincarnated as Ren Zu’s son instead of getting vicissitude’d by literal bug people

>>22657695
It's actually true human nature even in real world, you are just a someone living a comfortable sheltered life in the West.

Brittany!

>>22657843
Please masturbate before looking at book reviewers.

>>22652895
FUCK YOU NIGGER

>>22653579
asimov is the most boring scifi writer of all time, its like reading a fucking physics textbook

>>22653571
>tfw 27 and haven't been published yet
>have only written 2 books

fuck im running out of time

>>22653575
Sacred and Terrible Air. Unfortunately the only English translation was an unofficial one crowdsourced by reddit.

>>22658028
>asimov is the most boring scifi writer of all time, its like reading a fucking physics textbook
Ha, somebody didn't read Greg Egan, I see.

>>22657306
I think 2 is Mother of Toads by Clark Ashton Smith and 3 sounds very much like The Empty House by Algernon Blackwood

>>22652757
You said all that but I actually managed to finish the first book, something I can't say for anything from Sanderson I tried taking on.
Granted, I had no desire to continue the series, but I still read it.

>>22657088
They literally do.

Does anyone know any good books that feature a fantasy race and almost no humans?
I'm trying to write a story about a non-human race, and it takes place in their own little self contained world. They've cut themselves off from humans, so there wouldn't be many in the story. But I'd like to read something similar to get an idea of how to approach it.
It can also be sci-fi, I don't really care so long as humans are a foreign unknown concept in the book.

>>22653575
Gideon the Ninth is basically a death game mystery.

>>22653575
Chain of Chance, Stanislaw Lem

>>22656718
Why can't you spergs just accept things? Why can't totally-not-Christianity just be a thing presented without comment?

Is there any modern fantasy with as in-depth worldbuilding as Bakker? I'm talking irl accessible in-world philosophical texts, scriptures etc etc
The Second Apocalypse wiki and Encyclopaedic Glossary are a wild rabbit-hole

>>22658486
the name of the wind

>>22658486
Should I read The Aspect-Emperor if I got spoiled that the Great Ordeal ultimately fails?

If there was a tier ranking on books, how would you rate the Sun Eater Series?

>>22656718
>>22658417
It literally references Jesus, Judas, saints etc. you dingleberry. Go pretend to be smart somewhere else

>>22658668
Retard.
I literally just did 5 seconds of research and found out the series is historical fantasy.

>>22658568
Thanks for spoiling it, gaylord

>>22658702
In secondary fantasy world. Please leave.

>>22658702
>Christianity is fantasy
No shit, retard.

Speaking of the Red Knight, is it good? I read the Age of Bronze books by the same author and they were pretty average but the subject matter for Red Knight seems more in Cameron's wheelhouse so maybe they're better?

>>22658262
Walter Moers' Zamonia books feature a ton of fantasy creatures and basically no humans (following a historic scandal, humans were banned from the entire continent the stories take place on). the protagonist are all non human as well.

>>22656718
Haven't read the book and never will, but
>The Red Knight
Clearly took inspiration from early Arthurian fantasy, specifically and obviously Sir Gawain and the Green Knight. Of course there would be Christianity in that "world".

>>22658262
The Fey by Kristine Kathryn Rusch
Books of Raksura
A Man of His Word and A Handful of Men by Dave Duncan.
Deathgate Cycle
Darkwar by Glen cook (fantasy that evolves into scifi)
Liadem Universe (scifi)
Chanur (scifi)
A Fire Upon the Deep (scifi)
West of Eden (scifi)
Try checking out D&D novels (forgotten realms/dragonlance etc.) That are focused on specified races, like Elven Nations Trilogy, Dwarven Nations, the kagonesti, Evermeet, dragonlance minotaur novels, war of the spider Queen etc

>>22657306
5 is Lovecraft & Robert Bloch: Satan's Servants

>>22658757
If you enjoyed the Bronze Age books (which I thought were garbage) then you'll love Traitor Son. The first and second books are head and shoulders above the rest of the series.
>>22656718
There are a gazillion alternate worlds or spheres as they are called. The god like entities of the setting suspect a Christian God like figure exists, and thats why its so widespread throughout different worlds, but such a being would exist above the natural order so they've no real idea.

>>22658868
HAPLO AND THE DOG

>>22658757
Yes it's fun, if you already read his books then you know he has massive mommy issues and they are in full force in Red Knight.
>>22658854
There's also a Not-Morgana Le Fay and Not-Mordred

>>22658877
The GOAT dog-companion. Nighteyes is cool but dog is a real one.

>>22658113
Oh ok, congrats.

>>22658262
This AI art? Anon you gotta give me the prompt pleeease

new threan WHEN?

If I were a cultivator I would become the strongest purely to ban /sffg/ threads from my universe.

>>22659346
It's over...
Last /sffg/ thread.

>>22658568
Gets funnier every time you post it. Well done, anon!

>>22659385
Finally, /sffg/ is dead! Long live /sffg/!

>>22659407
>>22659385
Can't tell if you're trolling or retarded but /sffg/ is unironically the most active thread in all of lit

>>22659435
Both of those posts are obviously jokes you drooling troglodyte.

>>22659435
>Can't tell if you're trolling or retarded
woosh

>>22654151
>javshit