/lit/ - Literature

>>22643868
Hitchens was a retard who got unironically deboonked by a redditor

>>22643972
Can you elaborate?

>>22643868
I've noticed smug people always use these "funny" terms to denigrate something. Using "the missionary position" as a title for this topic is just as stupid as saying drumpf. It is just childish.

>>22643982
https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/gcxpr5/saint_mother_teresa_was_documented_mass_murderer/
she didn't have the resources to properly run a hospital because it wasn't a hospital to begin with, and hitchens is totally ignorant of the catholic concept of redemptive suffering

>>22643868
The argument of this book is basically that you are evil if you don’t commit euthanasia on the sick or promote pleasure at all times.

The truth is always ugly.

>>22643868
>Christians are sick people who fetishize suffering.
That's fallen humanity, not Christianity. Atheists also fetishize, on top of suffering, both cosmic injustice (by denying and reveling in the lack of cosmic order) and the violence and destruction inherent in nature with their love of "evolutionist" theories.

Christianity has lost meaning. Christians have forgotten its radical essence. Medieval Christianity, especially Catholicism, is the origin of our modern totalitarian systems of state and corporation. The solution is not atheism, and these structures are not integral to Christianity or even Catholicism.

>>22644057
Most modern atheists are really Protestant Christians who just ignore the God part. Their whole morality and outlook is descends from Christianity.

>>22644085
Most modern atheists are sadistic blind masturbators
>Their whole morality and outlook is descends from Christianity.
No, it descends from Satan

>>22644089
Why do atheists oppose polygamy? Why do so many of them find it immoral or take issue with Mormons who practice it? Their morality doesn't come from Satan. It's a degeneration of Christianity that even modern Christians suffer from. Aquinas one said the corruption of the best is the worst and he wasn't wrong. Is that satanic? I guess that depends on your outlook. I'm not a Christian so I'm not gonna make that call.

>>22643988
>redemptive suffering
so a fetish for suffering, sick fucks

>>22643988
Imagine getting BTFO by Reddit. Hitchens was such a hack.

>>22644057
True

>>22643868
Why do we still talk about cuckstians? When was the last time christian faith had any influence on anything? Literally dead religion for weak retards. By giving modern """christians""" time of day you legitize their sadfuck larp on the internet.

I don't fetishize suffering, and I don't make the fallacy of generalizing Christians.

Bernie Madoff was Jewish, my Jewish friend said he gave a bad name to the Hebrew people.

I'm not going to generalize all Jewish people on Bernie Madoff's example, that would be antisemitic.

Nor am I going to generalize all Christian people on Mother Teresa. That would be anti-Christian.

>>22644265
These "new atheists" rail against Christianity and Islam, never Judaism. Jewish and Muslim people in real life are kinder to Christians, then again most people believe in God.

>>22644274
In the end, it is vanity, some cringe celebrity trying to sell books for $$$ by exploiting already famous figures.

>>22644274
It's all the same desert cult, all descendants of Jews. Eastern religions actually provide value and align with science while giving a direct experience of God.

>>22644249
Where do you think virtue signalling came from? It's all downstream from religion.

>>22644313
But to add it's mostly Christianity because they glorify victimhood. Jews at least have some self-esteem.

>>22644274
Hitchens was very outspoken about mudslimes. He didn't address kikes because he didn't want his career to puff into nothingness overnight. Judaism is closer to organized crime ring than a religion

>>22644316
>Jews at least have some self-esteem.
>crying about muh 6 quadrillions for 80 years straight
>making holohoax denial a punishable criminal offense in multiple european countries
>begging US for money so that they can keep using palestinian kids as target practice
>cancelling billionaire celebrities for even suggesting something about them hogging positions of power

>>22644342
Difference is they don't actually believe it, it's just a tactic to exploit gullible retards like you.

you have to be a fucktard to read anything from a jew working in the entertainment industry

>>22644346
Most christians aren't selfless loving little yeshuas either they just enjoy the aesthetic veener of moral superiority. Whoa its almost like all religions are kinda stupid like that!

>>22644418
Christians are objectively the most altruistic retards, it's why the World exploits them.

>>22643868
Mother Theresa didn't even use her donations to alleviate the suffering of the people she "served", she just sent them to the pope.

>>22644430
The poverty was an aesthetic she enjoyed, virtue signalling.

>>22644439
now i'm imagining her as a zoomer e-thot posting photos of slums with tags like "povertycore" "smellyaesthetic" "diseasecore" etc

>>22644462
Kek

>>22643868
Do people still read that tedious windbag?
We dodged many more worthless whining books when he died. For a guy who couldn't even speak he sure loved the sound of his own voice. ha.

>>22643868
>Christians are sick people who fetishize suffering.
>It wasn't until 1974 that the term "palliative care" was even coined and not until 1986 that the WHO 3-Step Pain Ladder was even adopted as a policy[3] (the global standard for pain treatment; the policy is widely regarded as a watershed moment for the adoption of palliative programs worldwide).

>Mother Teresa began her work in 1948 and opened her "home for the dying and destitutes" Nirmal Hriday in 1952,[4] 15 years before the invention of the modern hospice and 34 years before the official medical adoption of palliative medicine. Mother Teresa ran a traditional hospice, not a modern medical one.

>In Evangelium Vitae, Pope St. John Paul II reiterated: “In such a case (use of painkillers and sedatives), death is not willed or sought, even though for reasonable motives one runs the risk of it: there is simply a desire to ease pain effectively by using the analgesics which medicine provides” (65).

Protestants don't think suffering is or can be redemptive but Catholics believe, correctly, that it can be. That doesn't mean seeking pain because you don't know what is good for you spiritually in terms of penance and it is too close to Pelagianism.

>>22643868
>>22644180
Keep crying you little bitch nigger fuck

>>22643972
>>22644243
bump

>>22643868
>run essentially a field hospice in the shittiest pajeet ghetto on the entire planet
>"what the fuck where is the experimental extended care morphine surgery, christcucks? where is the free wifi and smoothie bar?"

>>22644097
A secular argument against polygamy is the asymmetry in the dating field if it becomes mainstream. Granted, I don't give a shit about it personally, but if it was the norm, then you'd have a few guys with harems and most men being permavirgins

>>22644325
>He didn't address kikes because he didn't want his career to puff into nothingness overnight
Bull fucking shit he didn't address them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZTS6iVpSPI

>>22644249
Because Christ is Risen.

>>22644180
>Christians are the real perverts

>>22644057
You call it fetishizing, I call it recognizing the necessity of and therefore the beauty in. I'm equally pantheist as I am atheist, however.

>>22644057
Atheists literally don't perceive these things unless a religious person says nature or the universe are beautiful, then they remember to criticize that.
Not a single movement or demographic is majority life-denying and demonic, westerners are just delusional brats and everyone else is fighting for their own worldview. Some subcultures are demonic, like trannies. Being demonic will turn you into a deranged twisted madman as you spitefully turn against everything that could sustain health. Everything that sustains health, permits pitiful disgusting vermin to scrape through life for another day, and therefore one must reject and strive to destroy everything until nothing is left. Death to all vermin.

>>22643868
>hahaha get it, *missionary position* like in sex, which is great btw and I'm having lots of, haha i hope you get how witty this is, with her being a missionary and everything
Hitchens was so fucking cringe, he's just the perfect reddit hero, no wonder they love him

>>22647010
Was he aware of the aalewis quote?

>>22643983
It’s leftist humor, which is the lackthereof

>>22644426
Similar to how I exploit your mother by selling her in the streets at night.

>>22643988
https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/xnt9gq/well_youre_not_that_great_yourself_mr_hitchens_a/
this reddit deboonk is even better

>>22643983
>>22647010

It’s funny because it makes you seethe.

>>22643868
>midwit learns about Christian ascetics and apostolic suffering for the first time
>thinks this is some revolutionary idea that no one is aware of and writes an entire pseud book on it without understanding the historical context of these concepts
Many such cases from this crowd

>>22647040
All the listed 'deboonks' are just historical (nearly all minor) inaccuracies. Zoomy redditors do not realise that this is how nearly all historical books were in the era before broadband Internet. Hitchens was writing the book in early 2000s based on research he likely did much earlier, I would guess mostly from memory, occasionally rifflong through the old tomes for confirmation and reference. I'm not a Hitchens fan but he was clearly a mind grade above AKSHUALLY autismos who couldn't form a coherent thought without Ctrl+F, google, and wikipedia. This is just sad, pathetic grasping of the straws

>>22647469
>widely historically inaccurate book that distorts events and people to its agenda is good because..... BECAUSE I SAID SO

>>22647420
>I am only sardonically retarded
lol

>>22647469
Proudly ignorant retard

>>22643988
>>22647040
So much for the four horsemen. You either die young or live long enough to see yourself become the clown.

>>22647760
If Christians are seeking refuge on Reddit Christianity is already dead.

>>22643988
>badhistory
Fuck you for reminding me of the existence of that cesspool.

Christianity is irrelevant.

>>22647420
Ironic since seething was Hitchens' modus vivendi

>>22647469
>it shouldn't matter if he's wrong because he didn't have Snopes to fact check him!

>>22644274
Muslims arent kind to christians wtf are you on,they arent nice to anyone beside other muslims and only if they dont disagree on anything.
Also just because a lot of people believe in some kind of God-like figure doesnt mean they all know God.

>>22643868
>Christians are sick people who fetishize suffering.
based

>>22643996
>if you don’t promote pleasure at all times.
What an interesting way of saying to "indulge in purposeful suffering sometimes"

>>22644085
>"Morals just started with Christianity, OKAY?! Don't research the Greeks by the way"

>>22644274
Kek, imagine speaking on a subject you are this ignorant about. In his book "God is not Great", Hitchens goes on AT LENGTH about the disgusting Jewish practice of circumcision and sucking of baby penises. He is absolutely ruthless in eviscerating the barbaric practices of Judaism, but that seems a little inconvenient to your attempts at painting him as selective in his targets of religion. This only shows your own ignorance.

>>22646273
>Because Christ is Risen.

>>22648291
And? Only an atheist bugman would think that is a problem. Do people who go to the gym or perform manual labor have a “fetish for suffering” ?

>>22648252
JIDF post

>>22646252
This will be ignored since Christcucks can never accept evidence that contradicts what they've already decided to believe

>>22648326
Some unironically do, whereas a healthy decision to go to to gym is to increase one's overall wellbeing and thereby live a happier and fuller life. The suffering is accepted with the goal of future wellbeing. If someone went to the gym explicitly to hurt themselves and wallow in the suffering, yeah, they would be one sick cookie.

>>22648342
>The suffering is accepted with the goal of future wellbeing
Every Christian monastic has this view of suffering. What are you talking about?

>>22648351
Okay, so you agree the only reasonable position is to always aim at increasing wellbeing in every act you make? You can't even maintain the thread of the posts I am making. I began by pointing out that if you aren't aiming at wellbeing, you're just wallowing in suffering, therefore the anon who said the premise of the book boiled down to "you are evil if you don't promote pleasure at all times" is actually a legitimate point of view that you just admitted was valid. This post >>22643996 seems to think it is fine to promote suffering for it's own sake occasionally, which is sick and demented.

>>22643868
Isn't that more of a Catholic thing tho?

>>22648472
Main symbol of Christianity is a torture device.

>>22648326
Atheist fetishes are mostly scat, fucking kids, cuckoldry and gift giving