/lit/ - Literature

How to stop writers block?
How to get ideas.?
How ro get ideas for writing? How

>>22645961
it's usually a matter of confidence
if you learn how stories work and what you need to build one, the rest should be easier
also get away from your pc and focus, basically meditate, for awhile-- if you still don't have anything maybe read or watch a movie and try again

would anyone care to read a chapter from the fantasy story I'm writing?

>>22645961
I smoke weed and pace back and forth like an autist while listening to techno at near-deafening volume.

>>22645975
Post it gaylord

>>22645975
please

>>22645975
>>22645986
>>22645991
https://pastebin.com/Tc0Wndps

>>22646000
Pastebin ate it

>>22646013
It tripped the offensive content filter, I bet. One of the characters uses rather salty language.

>>22645975
>>22646000
https://pastes.io/jciwfghch5

>>22646030
kinda hard desu

>>22646085
Hard to read?

>>22645961
Read. Talk to people. Live life. I have more ideas than I'll ever be able to write.

>>22646100
That says more about your filters than anything

>>22646030
Your very first sentence is passive voice out of a quotation that doesn't even make grammatical sense. I'll read the rest and give a more thorough critique but you definitely need to do a preliminary editing pass.

>>22646145
>Your very first sentence is passive voice out of a quotation that doesn't even make grammatical sense.
Good catch, thanks.

I'm seriously thinking of just serializing the first book of my big sci-fi story on my Substack and trying to use my social media to advertise it.

I suppose I could advertise it here, too. I mean, if that Crocodile horror writer guy can make threads about his books here I guess anyone can, right? I think I'm a better writer than he is.

>>22646151
You're leading into quotes weirdly throughout desu. You don't need to introduce every quote through a sentence, you can end a sentence describing a character's actions and pick up the next sentence as the start of a quote without transition. Further, every exchange of dialogue does not require a lead-in sentence, characters can speak just like film script switching back and forth and it will be perfectly understandable if you write logically and with good characterization.
The idiom you explain when the priest comes out is undercut by one of the two churls using the exact same idiom at the start of the chapter. Its either self-apparent and explanation is redundant OR its a bizarre/foppish regional idiom and should be reserved for the character(s) more familiar with the phrase and more illustrative of the implications of it.

>>22646140
My filters? Huh? What are you even on about?

>>22646181
Real /lit/izens never write anything and spend more time in the throes of anxiety over their lack of self-esteem and inherently good ideas of what to write than they do actually writing. Duh.

>>22646170
I suspected I was over-characterizing everything.
>The idiom you explain when the priest comes out is undercut by one of the two churls using the exact same idiom at the start of the chapter. Its either self-apparent and explanation is redundant OR its a bizarre/foppish regional idiom and should be reserved for the character(s) more familiar with the phrase and more illustrative of the implications of it.
The idiom wasn't explained aloud, it was explained to the reader.

>>22646187
>The idiom wasn't explained aloud, it was explained to the reader.
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying, though. It reads poorly to see a diagetic turn of phrase used and unexplained - so the audience just intuits the definition - and then have it outright explained later. Either it needed no explanation to begin with or its so unique and specialized that it should only come up within its unique context/be used by specific characters.
To make a comparison its like seeing TRANSLATOR NOTE - KAWAII MEANS CUTE

>>22646206
I see, I see.

I find it useful to name villains in my writing after people I hate and want to see humiliated.

>>22646260
Just remember to state that villain has a tiny penis and therefor bears no resemblance to the person you hate, so they can't sue you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_penis_rule

>>22646231
Keep writing anon; yours is the first stuff I've read on here in a long time that felt actually bearable and fit for real-world publication. I think you have good instincts for writing and I'm of the opinion that the basics can't be taught.
Read Dune if you want a good example of more cinematic flow to dialogue in a genre story.

>>22646260
My mother is a fantastic inspiration for some of my most vile villains. I don't even have to do any work, I just "what would mother do".

>>22646269
Would you believe I have a copy of Dune propping up my laptop right now? I guess I need to revisit it. I definitely know I struggle with finding a balance of dialogue exchanges that are expressive without overloading them with superfluous mannerisms.

https://discord.gg/Hn7X5Su8

Here’s the /wg/ NaNo server! We have most of the regulars and there will be a prize!

Please add to the /wg intro next time!

>>22646274
I think familiarity with film causes this. We see the image in our head and try to describe the characters moving through their actions second by second, when we should be considering how the audience will be interpreting what we write in their heads through a 2nd person perspective.
I'm an evangelical of John Gardner's 'Narrative Dream' conception of storytelling thoughbeitever.

>>22646184
I'm totally lost. Are you mistaking me for >>22645961? I just said "read, talk to people, live life".

>>22646184
Oh, wait...is this a strawman argument, and are you a demotivational failed crab? Well, think again, self-described loser...I write & have ideas. Your misplaced pride of non-accomplishment is all yours.

Guys, I want to write a book about a scientific topic. I've given lectures about it and have a script. How do I make it not suck and/or boring? Any hints?
>inb4 go to /"sci"/
Almost all regulars there are clinically retarded.

>>22646402
>Almost all regulars there are clinically retarded.
You're not going to have any better luck here, I'm afraid. What topic and what are your plans in writing it? Nonfiction? Fiction?

>>22646407
I beg your pardon, should have mentioned I meant nonfiction. The table of content is finished and I do have the material from my lecture ready content-wise and spell-checked, but it's not sufficiently coherent to just put it in the book as is. I've rearranged the order a bit to fit a monotonically increasing learning curve (in lectures, I like to have intermittent simple or fun stuff to ease the atmosphere).
I just don't want the final product to be boring. I would like to have it be engaging and motivating.

>>22646429
My experience with giving talks suggests that the usual way to make things interesting is to challenge common objections / complaints regarding your topic in a boisterous or confident way, usually with rhetorical questions. Failing that, spend some time coming up with an offbeat or unusual analogy using everyday language or objects to make ideas more digestible, trying not to sacrifice it for substance.

>>22646030
Hey man, I edited a little of your story, I didn't do it all, because I have modern vidya slop to gorge on. And fuck me, I did the edit in word, red-text and italics, but pastebin sucks ass, so it'll be harder to parse. Just bring up a copy of your original and compare.

Take it or leave it, but good luck on the path. Remember, most faggots quit an inch from the finish line.
https://pastebin.com/5qTQFm1G

>>22646633
You can just upload it on catbox or something. (not him)

>>22646643
Thanks for the lookout.
https://files.catbox.moe/o8v2ay.pdf

>>22646030
Hey, fuck that pastebin link. Go here:
https://files.catbox.moe/o8v2ay.pdf

I'm writing a fanasty world and I need to organize all my notes and lore and such how would I go about doing that in google docs/in folders?

I need some help so things don't get messy

Things like trade, characters, races, ect questions are welcome, Just gentral high fanasty things

>>22646761
I use Scrivener

>>22646761
>>22646764
>don't know how to organize basic text documents
>solution: buy a worthless, bloated piece of software
Not even death can cure stupidity

>>22646818
>buy

>>22646818
Was not my question Anon, My question wasen't how to use the program but how to organize them in a way that is easy to look though and access as needed when I need to look over my notes. instead of it being messy like its starting to become now.

>>22646861
If you need more than word/libreoffice, I don't think anyone will read your furshit, but then again, furfags have 0 taste.

Spell checking is SO FUCKING BORING

I was just sitting on my gate and appreciating the sunset when I noticed a group of kids playing amongst the under-construction houses across the road from my house. They were far enough away to where I couldn't make out any of their features, they looked like small black figures to me, like a distant group of wild dogs. I'm sure to them I looked like something similar, perhaps a hawk perched up high or some other sort of predatory bird. They stopped and stared at me for a second, at least I assume they were looking at me, they stopped moving as soon as they came into the clearing between the houses and then after a few seconds they went back to playing, I don't know where they went, they at one point disappeared behind one of the houses, the noise stopped and I never saw them again.

I'm an absolute beginner, can someone point me to some guides on how to come up with story beats that feel "natural"
I know where my story starts and I know where I want it to go, but I struggle to get from A to B. I've had some ideas but they all feel super convoluted and I'm afraid that my story will read as if I'm pulling a bunch of coincidences out of my ass to get the characters where I want them to be, if that makes sense.
I'm at a point where I'm considering scrapping large parts of my introduction to get from A to B better. Which luckily isn't too bad, it's only a short story and so far the story only consists of bullet points and ideas in my head

>>22646951
It'll come to you the more you write.

>>22646955
This. I just finished my book and I had no idea where I was going with it for the most part

>>22646951
>I'm afraid that my story will read as if I'm pulling a bunch of coincidences out of my ass to get the characters where I want them to be, if that makes sense
You have no fucking clue how much I get this and if you figure it out let me know.

>4-12 weeks to get a reply from an agent
>They're under no obligation to actually respond
aaaaa AAAAAAA

What would you say are the keys to academic writing? I've been slowly making my way into this world but I'm still very green.

>>22647160
Where do you teach?

>>22647168
I'm not teaching yet, but I've helped with a couple of classes. I'm starting my PhD in a month. Spanish university, nothing fancy, for the most part writing about film and literature.

>>22647039
It’s okay to use coincidence to get characters into a situation. You can’t usw it to get them out of one, though.

>>22646818
>buy
come on son

>>22645961
watch movies. see the shit you don't like about movies you normally like. try to improve upon it. build your story with that on mind.

>>22645884
Thoughts on Hemingway's Iceberg Theory?
>If a writer of prose knows enough of what he is writing about he may omit things that he knows and the reader, if the writer is writing truly enough, will have a feeling of those things as strongly as though the writer had stated them. The dignity of movement of an ice-berg is due to only one-eighth of it being above water. A writer who omits things because he does not know them only makes hollow places in his writing.

YSK that products which have 666 in the barcode number are made much better than the other products. Theyre healthier, and they taste much better. The packaging also contains depictions of religious symbolism. I suggest you go verify this fact for yourself, if you want to be caught up to speed on the state of our hellish existence.

>>22647222
>A few things I have found to be true. If you leave out important things or events that you know about, the story is strengthened. If you leave or skip something because you do not know it, the story will be worthless. The test of any story is how very good the stuff that you, not your editors, omit.

>>22646030
Nobody wants to read your shitty d&d campaign.

>>22646633
>>22646689
Thanks for the advice, anon!

>>22647160
Read The Craft of Research by Wayne C. Booth, specifically the chapters where he breaks all arguments down into claims, reasons, warrants, evidence, and acknowledgments. He explains it more accurately than Turabian, and it can become a framework for straight-up elite writing.

I'm interested in writing, but I'm not sure what exactly. I've been reading a lot of existential philosophy and I'm seeing a lot of similar themes that relate to my life or otherwise I can draw parallels between. All this reading has been enjoyable and kind of helpful honestly, but I'm afraid without /some/ kind of writing exercise I won't remember a lot of it.

Should I just get a blog? Take notes?

>>22647533
Write letters to your future self. That's all writing is anyway.

>>22646951
Read more and write more

>>22647142
You better have applied to 100
Even then you are not likely to be accepted

>>22647222
It's absolutely correct but he also lived in different times. People were smarter, now people are fucking idiots.

>>22647160

The key is to use endnote and footnotes extensively. Otherwise you will tie your brain into knots trying to fit everything in.h4pm4s

>>22646951
Naturalness is usually a consequence of paying attention to cause and effect. Readers are willing to accept any contrivance so long as it's causes were set up before hand. A simple technique is to just work backwards from effect to cause to fill in the gap between A to B. At the very least this tells you what needs to happen in the story for it to make sense causally and will usually go a long way toward clarifying what the actual gaps are (usually filled by doing research or brainstorming).

>>22647441
Interesting, thanks a lot.

I've not written anything since I was last in school, but I'm tired of lying around all day in bed depressed and have nothing to do, would it be reasonable for me to start spending all my time writing stories? Do people do that? I have some ideas and I know they'll be bad but I can't figure out what else to do; I don't enjoy much these days.

>>22648146
Nigga, how should we know what you can do or if you'll enjoy it

>>22648199
But you have to know, I see you peeking through my windows every day!

>>22648201
Most people have an awful time when they start out writing, unable to do things precisely the way they want to, the same as with any other activity. It takes real, sustained effort to finish anything and improve. Are you one of those people who are suited to this? God only knows for sure. But the odds are about 98,000:1 that you're not.

>>22648221

OP forgot the NaNo info. So, here’s a NaNoWriMo spin-off thread! The grand prize shall be revealed soon!

>stressing because I don't have any new ideas
>think for a while
>get a new idea
It's just that easy lol. Do people really have issues doing this?

How many of you are genre writers? How many are writing "literary fiction" and are too afraid to admit it's just another genre, in this case "drama"?

>>22648562
Drama is a fake genre

NANOWRIMO NANOWRIMO NANOWRIMO

(It’s gonna be my first time doing Nanowrimo and I am committed to finishing it)

>>22646861
For those wondering I am refering to keep things organized like this and how to do it better. and in other areas and where they should go amoung other things

I have no idea how you guys keep confusing my statement everytime I ask

>>22648678
You're a fake writer. Excuse me, "author".
Don't want to bruise any fragile egos.

I have a idea of what story I want to write and the plot points I want to hit in it, but when I go write, I have hard time writing the smaller details. I feel like I'm not giving each scene/setting enough of the time it needs and the whole thing feels rushed. When I do try to extend it, it feels drawn out and reads boring. Does anyone have any advice or resources for this?

I've been writing a story that was going well until I got hit by writer's block. now I'm posting here and doing literally anything other than writing. The pain I feel is immeasurable

>>22649075
Read actual books in the genre you're writing. Do what they do. If you're not looking to publish, it doesn't matter.

>>22649099
>Read actual books
Eww, who the fuck does that?

haha, you're right tho.

>>22649075
Often you are too focused on getting from point A to point B instead of enjoying writing itself and being intentional about the language you use even for details. Writing is a craft, find the way you like to craft your sentences so that it pleases you to write even the details. Details should all have significance, be it setting the mood or involving the senses or foreshadowing, rather than random junk you throw in as an afterthought. They'll feel less boring if you write them in an interesting way. There are also techniques that affect pacing, and you want to alternate pacing depending on the scene. Like you noticed, longer sentences and more words slow things down, while cutting it short speeds them up. You can work on finding a balance to use this knowledge intentionally as you write, so try do it as a practice exercise as you go

>>22649088
I know this ain't the /fit/ board, but Muhammad Ali said he didn't count his situps 'til they started hurting. That's the approach you need to take with writing. If you only write when it is easy, then you'll never develop writing as a skill; instead, you'll develop the skill of waiting to work. The time that counts is when it hurts (when you can't be fucked, have 'writer's block', etc.).
David Milch (Writer of Deadwood, among other things) has this writing exercise. It isn't for writer's block, it's for developing character voice, but you could use it when you feel you've got the block.

Here:

Imagine two characters having a conversation. Write only the dialogue--no beats, scene-setting, exposition, etc. Write whatever comes to mind, don't go into it with any preconceptions aside from who each character is. Do this for twenty minutes--not ten, not five, twenty.

See if that cures you.

>>22649138
>Details should all have significance, be it setting the mood or involving the senses or foreshadowing, rather than random junk you throw in as an afterthought
This is probably what I needed to hear. I hadn't thought of it that way. I'll try to incorporate this into my writing. Thanks anon.

>There are also techniques that affect pacing, and you want to alternate pacing depending on the scene. Like you noticed, longer sentences and more words slow things down, while cutting it short speeds them up.
I'll keep this in mind too.

>>22649153
Thanks anon. I'll give it a try.
One thing I've tried is doing writing sprints, but then I only write in small bursts so it hasn't affected the whole. I think you're right and I need to sit through the full agony. Maybe scheduling a longer period of time each day would be more helpful. or specifically doing it when I feel the hurt like right now. I'll go open a doc and try to push through. just hope it doesn't make me hate writing in the end you know?

>>22648853
Obsidian

How do I write without validation from others?

>>22649153
Not that anon but I needed to see this. I tend to be one of those wait till I feel like writing types. I have this fear that if I hurry into writing, it'll be slop and full of errors and that i'll sacrifice the quality. I really need to get over this paralyzing fear. I'm writing this story right now and i'm on the final act but it took me three and a half months to do anything with it. Got a good chunk of down this month though, so it wasn't too bad.

>>22648146
Have you considered getting a job? Maybe moving out the room where you grew up? Give your poor hapless parents a break?

>>22648954
"Drama" is code for "I refuse to admit that a whole bunch of stuff fails to fall into the categories"

Maybe I’m autistic but I want to write speeches. Not speeches to deliver, just speeches on hypothetical debate topics. Should I?

If anyone needs a cheap editor, feel free to shoot me a message. Happy Nanowrimo!

https://www.fiverr.com/matthewg42

>>22649663
That's called an essay.

>>22649911
But I don’t want it to be like an essay. I want it to be like a speech.

>>22649927
You can write rhetorical essays retard-kun. In fact for most of history that's how essays were formatted since the general masses couldn't read and needed the essay read to them.

>>22649931
I’ll try that. I’m going to print hundreds of copies out and leave stacks of them in public places to be picked up

>>22649324
Thank you for being actually helpful anon, May you be joyus in this life and next

When do i get my call with Travis?

>>22646761
>>22646861
Here's how I do it.
(Name of story) notes
Sections in larger font + bold, subsections large font, regular font for content
1.Characters
a. Main cast
a1. (Name of MC and any other relevant info)
When it's organized like this, I can just use Ctrl+f and instantly find what I need. A table of contents is honestly pretty good to have.

>>22648853
Seconding >>22649324 you can essentially make your own little wiki with it with little to no effort. It's very helpful to structure non-hierarchical notes, I personally use it to take notes on books I'm reading, though I only started out recently and am still figuring out the best way for it.

Fellas, when writing dialogue for a novel, is it bad to format it closer towards a script than a book? Example:

Option 1

Character 1: "Blah blah blah..."

Character 2 : "Blah blah?"

Character 1: "Blah! Blah blah, blah!"

VS

Option 2

"Blah blah blah..." Character 1 said. "Blah blah?" Asked Character 2. In response, Character 1 exclaimed loudly: "Blah! Blah blah, blah!"

I feel like option 2 gets repetitive quickly and finding out how to prrsent the dialogue well takes focus away from the more important thing, which is the dialogue itself. However, I cannot think of the last book I read that presents dialogue this way, maybe because it wouldn't be as space efficient? Or is there something else I'm missing?

>>22651067
I don't know what you're talking about, typically books do have linebreaks between lines of dialogue. Of course they don't add an extra line between paragraphs because they're written for print, not screen.

>>22651097
Do they? Then what the fuck have I been reading...

>>22651103
No idea.

>>22651067
The only times I've seen dialogue formatted in a paragraph were some throwaway exchanges in old books, where the author wanted to inlude a few lines for comedic effect or something, but didn't find it important enough to commit a full scene to it. Otherwise never, and I've read books in 5 languages

https://pastebin.com/WF7qhDhx
Start of my next short. Thoughts? Hopefully you can tell where I'm going with this

What could you think you write what

>>22651529
It’s shit. But I get the feeling you knew that.

JK-sama, that was for you.

I will read the work of every author listen in the OP and review them on my blog. Stay tuned!

>>22651600
And what's so shit about it?

>>22651708
JFC faggot I’m just giving my feedback. Don’t get so defensive. If you’re so thin skinned maybe you should seek another hobby.

>>22651730
If you can't elaborate I'll assume you're either trolling or intimidated by my skill.

>>22651750
lol. Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

>>22651814
This one is your last dopamine rush from me

>>22651706
Consider reviewing them on Amazon and GoodReads, too.

Threadly reminder, I don't open untitled links that don't include synopsis, won't download pdfs, and won't doxx myself by opening your google drive document. If you actually want feedback of any kind, take this into account. Thank you.

>>22651730
Saying something is shit without elaborating is not feedback.

>>22651708
It was kind of pointless, and there were a lot of run-on sentences.

>>22651928
I went to the wrong /wg/...

>>22648146
It would be reasonable for you to get a job

crazy how you can just write a story
like the words just come out and you don't even need to think about them

>>22651900
>pointless
I mentioned that it's only the start of the story so this is a bit like inspecting the hilt of a sword and calling the blade dull
>a lot run-on sentences
Now you're getting closer to useful, constructive feedback. Thanks anon. If you want please copy/paste the most egregious examples for me to review.

>>22651858
I'll try but I don't really want to dox myself.

>>22651861
>I don't open untitled links that don't include synopsis
The others make sense but this one is paranoid since most links here are just to pastebin or pastes.io

>>22651992
Amazon lets you change the name under which you post reviews to anything. You can also list a completely fake location. And millions of people write millions of reviews...you'd hardly stand about. Besides, my expectation is that you won't make any sort of effort & this discussion is pointless.

>>22651992
>"I don't really want to dox myself"
>meanwhile, outside anon's home
>>>/wsg/5317874

>>22652044
No, I'm genuinely planning to read them, but it's gonna take a bit of time because of work, studying and being an ESL whose opinion is worthless anyway

>>22651964
Somehow autopiloting is the most fun way to write for me. When it comes to me everything just kinda clicks and I can just keep going until I feel like stopping. The editing part which I don’t enjoy (and thus generally don’t do which kneecaps my potential hard but idc because it’s just a fun hobby) I just don’t do.

>>22651529
This a movie script? Why is everything one line?

>>22652074
I don't know what you mean, there are 50 lines there. Is your pastebin glitched?

>>22645884
Cute halloween frogge

Rereading old stories I loved, I realized that I've been subconsciously copying a bunch of stuff from those stories into my own writing without even realizing.

How can I stop copying stuff without realizing? Should I even try to stop copying stuff? Or just accept it?

I'm East Asian for what it's worth, so maybe I just have no creativity. Or maybe I'm just trying to find an excuse, I don't know.

>>22652291
Everything has been done. Every work you have ever read was influenced and inspired another work that came before it. Unless you are making point-for-point copies of another work, you're not doing anything wrong by taking elements you like from other stories and cobbling them together into an original work.
>I'm East Asian for what it's worth, so maybe I just have no creativity.
Ironic take and example, given Japanese artists are known for having a flair for the avant-garde. There is a difference between plagiarism and homage and given your example isn't a result of tracing, it's likely the mangaka of jujutsu kaisen was making an homage to bleach with those panels, I assume because bleach was influential in his conception of jujutsu kaisen. But idk, I don't read manga.

I got an idea for a short story. It’s about a character who is deeply depressed, but won’t commit suicide because he can’t get the note right. Anybody know of similar stories? I want it to be reminiscent of Russian literature.

>>22652323
>Everything has been done. Every work you have ever read was influenced and inspired another work that came before it
That's obvious to me anon, I'm talking more specifically. Like a character's monologue after their parents being killed, consisting of them saying they want to take revenge, then thinking about how they're a royal he needs to prioritize the country first -- that's a random example, but it overlapped to that degree of detail or even more.
>you're not doing anything wrong by taking elements you like from other stories and cobbling them together into an original work.
Cool, thanks for your thoughts anon.
>Ironic take and example, given Japanese artists are known for having a flair for the avant-garde.
Is that really true? I guess I haven't read much actually Japanese /lit/ so I'll take your word for it.

>>22652362
>I'm talking more specifically. Like a character's monologue after their parents being killed, consisting of them saying they want to take revenge, then thinking about how they're a royal he needs to prioritize the country first -- that's a random example, but it overlapped to that degree of detail or even more.
If you're talking about the dialogue beat for beat, then it's good that you've caught the overlap and now you know to correct it, but I don't think premise itself of a royal figure being torn between personal goals (such as revenge) and existential duties (such as governing) are so unique that using that premise would amount to plagiarism. Since you're aware of it, you have the tools to mold it into your own voice.
>Is that really true? I guess I haven't read much actually Japanese /lit/ so I'll take your word for it.
I'm positive there's a ton of experimental Japanese literature that is too weird and esoteric to be translated, but I was more referring to arts like music, film, and abstract art. Hell, there are multiple animes that are notorious for weird and often incoherent endings due to the director trying to be too artsy.

>>22652427
> you're talking about the dialogue beat for beat, then it's good that you've caught the overlap and now you know to correct it,
Thanks anon.
>but I don't think premise itself of a royal figure being torn between personal goals (such as revenge) and existential duties (such as governing) are so unique that using that premise would amount to plagiarism.
Well, I guess personally I know it is because I definitely got it from there, I just feel it internally.
>Since you're aware of it, you have the tools to mold it into your own voice.
Right, so I could keep the scene but add my own flavor I guess

I am kinda befuddled at what to do in general because it seems I'm prone to unconsciously source other works quite a bit, but I guess the best thing to do is just to always try to use my own voice, as you put it, so that even if a similar scenario pops up it'll be mine in a sense.

>music, film, and abstract art
I thought Japanese music derived a lot from the west? Film i guess they have their own thing. I don't know anything about abstract art though.

>The /lit/ Top Ten is gone forev-

Yeah, I'm thinking we're back, and don't even try to pretend like you didn't miss it. This week, Mike Ma (hon.) retains his ranking, and the rest of the entries aren't exactly strangers either. We'd also like to welcome ARX-Han's Incel to the official register, and to note that John David Card's People Mover and Quentin Scobie's Baby Alex have been officially discontinued. Until next time: good luck!

>>22652291
Goblin Slayer literally ripped the fuck off out of character of Guts and Lancer and nobody cares.
Best thing you can do as a writer is when someone says your thing is a ripoff of x, go "haha, yeah!" and shrug.

>>22652515
Only counts works printed on actual paper. Pointless chart.

I had a dream last night that I was a detective investigating a murder scene and there was an object in the room which was terrifying and pure evil
I couldn't look at it because it felt like my soul would be in danger from demonic forces if I did
I saw a piece of wood with a horrible face carved in it and when I woke up I thought of a shrine with a dozen mutilated corpses placed in a pile which for some reason was unnoticed and exuded an aura of horror
I want to blend the two authors who have inspired me the most, Lovecraft and Doyle but I'm not sure how
>>22652291
I am East Asian too

>Have a good idea
>Execute on it
>It's shit
Are my ideas actually bad? How do I fix this

>>22652890
Fix your execution dumbass

>>22652898
ok

>>22652898
I can fix it for him.
>>22652890
Face the wall fucker.

>>22652515
There are actually people buying the unreal anthologies...
it's worse than I thought

>>22652960
Aw, do you need a hug?

>>22652515
Fr*nk has been such a noxious presence on this board, he shouldn't be mentioned or promoted in any capacity. He already buys ads and self-shills.

>>22652861
Why do we, East Asians, use such formal prose when writing casually, even if English is our first language.

>>22645884
I still haven't come up with a short story for Halloween.
Is there time yet?

There is nothing worse than being an ESL

>>22653087

It's better than writing or talking like you're from the ghetto. This is nothing cringier than an Asian talking like a black or latino.

I have a plot with a start and a middle and an end. I have sources of tension. I have arcs, and characters with functions. I have themes to meditate on. I have sections that can be filled with semi-arbitrary events to develop character relationships and produce local tension. I mostly didn't have these before. Probably possibly maybe this nanowrimo will be the one and I will not produce a few nice but aimless and poorly-connected scenes and sputter out

Yes, yes it's inspired by Myth of Sisyphius.

It's important to not stop lads. I stalled for over a week finishing up a draft with only 1k words to go when I was belting out thousands of words a day for over a month.

>>22653249

Realized the opening was pretty shitty so I went back and rewrote it. Hoping this one works better.

I'm writing a sort of guidebook on my setting, there are three races of divine descent and this is one of them, there will be 3 in total based on Chinese, Norse, and Greek mythology

I wanted to write it as something that is written in-universe by a human explorer, I'm not sure exactly how to write something like this however as I've never read much stuff written like this

How's it look? This is the first part

>>22653541
this is the second part where the author writes about the specific ones he met

>>22652515
Francis Edward just made all his "books" free, so expect this chart to be dominated by his crappiness. You may want to skip a week.

>>22653541
It looks like generic fantasy slop that will make not even a dent in understanding the human condition. Have fun wasting your time.

"Before he could fully turn around a massive limb had fallen to the ground and shattered like glass."

Is something shattering "like glass" too plain or cliche? Would it be better to be more detailed, like "shattered like a ceramic plate" or does that come off as trying too hard?

>>22653625
What is the limb made of

>>22653628
Wood. It's an old tree hundreds of years old that just rotted and finally gave way.

>>22653545
>>22653541
That digital art is atrocious and I'm not the least bit interested in reading your worldbuilding notes

>>22653637
Perhaps "shattered into splinters" or whatever is bigger than a splinter. If you're afraid likening it to glass or ceramic is too cliche, how and describe what it shatters into?

>>22653625
>>22653637
If it's wood I'd write
>shattered into splinters
But I'm pretty biased against similes

>>22653531
Lots of redundancy
>Entire body...all over
>nothing else...except those two.

There's nothing in depths but darkness and cold, but then there's a bunch of rocks to climb?

>>22653658
>>22653660
>shattered into splinters
Splintermind. Okay I'll try to work on making it less generic than just glass.

>>22653660
>I'm pretty biased against similes
Why is that?

>>22653674
If find them weak like a limp handshake. But metaphors have a nice firm grip.

>>22653655
I'm not an artist really, I just trace shit in paint.net. I have no idea how to use anything more complex.

I saw a comic where someone wishes they had the ability to just make their imagination appear on a canvas. That's more or less what I wish I had.

>>22653722
>just make their imagination appear on a canvas
If only the modern world had something like this

>>22653728
I tried AI before but the good ones cost money and I ain't paying for that

>>22653722
>I'm not an artist really
Then why the hell are you doing illustrations?

>>22653743
You can used Dall-E 3 through Bing, it's free.

>tfw can't think of a way to describe how black an animal's eyes are
All I can come up with is little black holes and that sounds stupid. Been stuck on this for two days tb.h.

>>22653767
Idk I traced a shitton of Ben 10 aliens OCs as a teenager (cringe yes I know) and I thought I would try to encapsulate my imagination that way.

>>22653768
Shit I didn't know that. No wonder there were people talking about Bing recently.

>>22653772
Write what you have, move on, edit later. You are not making your writing better by not writing.

>>22653780
You should study how to actually draw. You need Loomis.
>>>/ic/1579290

>>22653743
You can install Stable Diffusion on your computer for free. It only takes minimal computer skills.

>>22653785
If I knew tracing cartoons was such a poor habit I never would've traced 50 variations of Gwen Tennyson

>>22646761
I'd recommend that you simply try out Obsidian, it's a really powerful note organizer that only uses markdown, is incredibly customizable and is can sync across devices. Since it only uses .md files anything can open it (so you're not locked into only using it) and you could also back up all of your notes with your cloud service of choice via synching a folder instead of being locked into Google logins and PC since mobile is garbage.
https://youtu.be/DbsAQSIKQXk?si=yozkHyclD0Sb9k9n

>>22653785
Did not know that board existed. Thanks.

>>22653190
Speak for yourself, I've seen a lot of native speakers with appalling grammar and spelling.

>>22652001
Nothing paranoid about it. A synopsis tells me if the excerpt is worth my time and bandwidth, or only some lazy bullshit that doesn't deserve a serious response. With anon, it's the latter most of the time.

Just started sending out my query letters. Do I start a new book now while I wait or what

>>22654427
I would.

>>22654427
start a new book, Those querys are gonna take a while

>>22653785
Been there, done that. It's nothing but a grift. Either you know how to draw or you don't.

>told a coworker I write
why did I do that

>>22654469
How did it go?

>>22654476
they seemed impressed but I think I came across pretentious

>>22654469
My dad still doesn't know. I wonder if he'll get mad at me if I ever get a book deal and he never knew I wrote.
Hahaha, as if that'll ever happen.

>>22654563
I never let my parents know what I'm up to. They find an excuse to interrupt me if they do.

>>22654263
The fact that some natives are retarded does not mean you aren't crippled too.

>>22654469
I can't even tell my coworkers that I read because they will immediately think I'm a pseud faggot. You can only talk about the latest Netflix shows in the office if you want to fit in.

>>22654599
I couldn't handle the wagie life and quit as a result of this.

>>22654599
I've never known people who don't read anything, if it's trash they all still read something. Guess I'm just lucky

>>22654278
>my time
Worthless. You're spending it here after all
>bandwidth
You're having a laugh

>>22654466
Most of the people who just "know how to draw" without studying sketch shit like this >>22653545 in my experince

What are some edgy tropes that irk you? I personally hate the 'misunderstood' character in modern literature, or whenever a character has childhood trauma that they brag about as a get out of jail card.

>have idea
>don't write it down
>it doesn't leave
>I start constructing a vast world for this idea in my head and become scared to let it leave
>it influences other ideas I have such that I can identify key traits both ideas share and that triggers my desire for my stories to be 100% unique
what do

Gotta write a screenplay due to Tuesday. Only ever wrote stories till now. Already learned how to format and use FinalDraft. Minimum of 20 pages for a short movie. Any tips?

>>22655060
I'd like to know this too, I've always wanted to write a screenplay but didn't know the proper pacing.

>>22655028
Write the idea and it will never bother you again

>>22655060
>>22655087
1 page = 1 minute

>>22647641
Yeah the people on RR throw a fit when a writer forgets to insert [eating skill +1] after a character downs a sandwhich; conveying information via subtext is a little beyond the abilities of the mass market.

To shorten "little" is it
>'lil
>lil'
or just
>lil
?

>>22655060
>Already learned how to format
If you're just starting out I can guarantee you're doing stuff wrong. Protip: most movie scripts you'll find online are shooting scripts written by people already in the biz. If you haven't been commissioned to write a shooting script, you're gonna want to write following spec script conventions (no editing transitions, no directing the actors, no action/description blocks more than five lines long, etc).
If you want post an excerpt and I'll point out your formatting issues. You can also read The Screenwriter's Bible by Trotter.
>Minimum of 20 pages for a short movie
That's more like the average length of short film scripts. There's no minimum for shorts. Plenty of micro-short festivals out there are looking for stuff under 5 minutes.

>>22655290
li'l

Post a song that matches the tone of the story you're writing, /wg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWXAL9bHciQ

>>22655366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3vQj9ECtcU

>>22655366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10WjFiEMQVk

>>22655366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7k0a5hYnSI

>>22655060
A common beginner technique is to write normally than cut out all the exposition and prose, but I think it's more prudent to start without them since you become hyper aware how little time you have to show vs tell

/lit/vaks, how many words should a collection of informal essays / travel memoirs be if I want to get published in print?

>>22655060
It's really not that difficult to write a short film. 20 pages is like 15-20 minutes which is the length of one sequence (3-5 scenes). An easy cheat code for these kinds of assignments is to take an old dialogue heavy short story and convert it to a different (usually modern) setting.

The main difference between screen and print is the ability to create expectation without the use of words. We have a vast array of existing visual schema that you can borrow from that really cuts down the necessity of mise en scene via exposition. A single five second clip can be enough to set up an entire constellation of expectations. Because this can be done so quickly and so easily, you can set and reset expectations more often than you can in print. Classic examples are visual gags like pic related.

>>22655324
I've watched some videos on the FinalDraft youtube channel about formatting, but mostly I'm following the screenplay of Midnight In Paris. The number of pages was designed by the contest itself. It says a minimum of 20 pages containing idea, logline, synopsis, argument and the script. I don't know if 20 pages is the minimum considering all of that, but I'll make the play 20 pages as a precaution. When I have something nice I'll share it here

>>22651067
Generally you just write the dialogue and then use tags when it's unclear.

John sat down on the couch, then patted the adjacent seat, beckoning Liam to join him. Liam frowned slightly, but sat anyway. The softness of the padded cushions caused them to naturally lean toward each other, so that no matter how much Liam tried to avoid it, they ended up squished together.
"My parents aren't home." John said.
"Okay."
There was an uncomfortable pause. John fidgeted nervously in his seat.
"So, you know, I was thinking..."
John trailed off without finishing his sentence. There was another pause, this one longer. The ticking from the clock on the wall above them seemed to be getting louder with each passing second.
"I'm not gay." Liam said.
"You aren't?" John looked astonished. "But I saw you browsing /lit/ on your laptop."
"Browsing /lit/ doesn't mean you're gay."
This was a lie of course, nobody who browsed /lit/ was straight. But Liam wasn't particularly interested in John's boipussy, and hoped that the young acrobat wasn't familiar enough with 4chan culture to know that every single poster sucked dick on the regular.

>>22655531
o' daimyo of dialogue, please heed my request for aid:
>>22655480

>>22651067
What do the great LNs have? No goddamn dialogue tags. Purge them. Kill them.

https://pastes.io/ct7cyrbqyg
Here's the full thing
For that one anon who needs a title and synopsis:
>Trauma
>A father’s position in his home is challenged by the celebrity actor who moves in next door.

>>22655599
What do you get out of writing this stuff, honestly? Is it just a fetish thing? Tolstoy wrote something similar with Kreutzer Sonata but there he had a definite purpose which could not be misconstrued for fetishism (since the story is told with the husband as narrator). I just don't get why you would spend time writing this kind of stuff.

>>22655021
Incel NEET shutins that can't support themselves & live off mommy & daddy, or off of government welfare/disability payments. That's the most irksome edgy trope I can think of.

>>22655582
>What do the great LNs have?
>great
>LNs

>>22655627
tick-tock, wagecuck, are you ready for monday morning?

Found some old stuff and necroposted it. Feedback is always appreciated, even if I'm in a different place in life these days.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/36209/burgerpunk-pizza-time/chapter/1388148/the-agreement

>>22651067
have you ever read a book in your fucking life? literally all of them have a mix of sections of pure dialogue and some other sections with dialogue mixed with actions or thoughts. do both. don't get too repetitive in either pattern. this makes it interesting.

>>22653157
There is but you better start working your ass off right now

>>22645884
Oh man i'm so tempted to call it done and post what I have. But there's only one more act to it and then it will be truly done

>>22655802
There once was a small pumpkin. His name was Geoff. He hated his name.
>>22655842
Ganbatte, one-more-act kun.

>>22655680
>westoid cope
lol, lmao even

I want to write to escape my suburban, white-collar, average-at-best life. Problem is, I have no ideas. I've lived such a mediocre and uneventful life that I cannot come up with any ideas or any motivation.

>>22655627
I have never seen this before

>>22655689
Why not ask your mommy & daddy?

>>22656183
Plus, being so coddled and spoiled, you're not a sympathetic character. You literally have no ideas that anyone would want to hear about.

>>22655627
>or
lol wagie is stuck thinking two dimensionally

>>22656319
Yep. Haven't being raised with enough privilege or enough adversary to have a unique and interesting experience.

>>22656183
Why not write about a suburban white collar average wasp family? And said guy gets isekai into another world where it sucks ass so he becomes hellbent on destroying it to return to his comfy life

>>22656451
I was thinking of writing about a white collar worker who just starts escalating his life gradually. Shouting at the loud kids on the bus, standing up to a dickhead bouncer, trying to stop some guy shoplifting etc. and every time he just ends up more physically or mentally fucked because of it but it makes him feel alive

What's a line you won't cross when writing? I don't know if having incest, rape, war, death, pedophillia, harem, sexual abuse, or anything icky would be a good subject matter to write about. Even game of thrones crosses the line with sansa marriage and her being sold to be raped by Bolton who's like 30 and she's 13

>>22656461
So, the 1993 movie "Falling Down"?

>>22656524
>icky
ngmi

>>22656451

I think Updike already did that. The field is basically exhausted which is why publishers are rarely interested.

>>22655495
>FinalDraft youtube channel about formatting,

Have you tried ChatGPT? You can probably just paste what you have in there and tell it to format as screenplay.

>>22653768
>it's free.

For now, it is. But they lose a lot of money on making those images so they'll start charging sooner or later, probably much sooner than people think.

>can’t use term Racial Holy War because that’s apparently a phrase from the Creationist Movement
But the term sounds so kino.

Is 2 paragraphs about the terrain too much for normalfags? Man I love writing about the environment. I could write 20 pages about the landscape and enjoy every word. Normals complain if you go too Tolkien though. I wish I could unleash my autism at full blast.

You have to understand how cool this palm tree is.

>>22656524
Nothing crosses the line as long as it's not just for the shock value, but has actual meaning to be there. But sometimes you can get away with fetish stuff too, I mean King literally put a child orgy in It and the book became an international bestseller.

>>22657044
It depends on how good your writing is. Complaining about Tolkien is understandable though, because in his case it's not just 2 paragraphs, but often 20 pages.

If the "macro" part of writing counts- Thoughts on the faction and character dynamics of the fantasy story I'm writing?

>>22657044
Depends on the pacing in my estimate. I think it's all well and good to draw the reader into a scene describing the setting, no matter the length, as long as it's in the right place and is written with vigor.

>>22646689
Someone actually good at narrative writing making good suggestions... that's pretty cool

>>22653545
You can't write without making mistakes that you were taught how not to make in middle school, and your MS paint slop makes it worse. What are you even doing?

>>22657069
I've always found fantasy interesting but fantasy names (people, locations, factions) are often too cringey and jarring when it comes to reading a work. I read an excerpt of your story in a previous thread and it opened with
>something The Sorvine Empire
>something time
>something date
At the beginning of the paragraph. Then the rest of the paragraph contained half a dozen made up names and places. I understand I might not be your target audience if this is the style you're going with, but know that I could be if you didn't lean into the fantasy aspect so hard. When everything seems so fantastical and the reader notices uncommon names more than a couple of times a chapter they no longer keep their allure and instead appear contrived, at least to me.

>>22657096
I had a discussion about this with one of my alpha readers. I'm trying to be mindful not to overwhelm the reader with conlang, but I am also writing a worldbuilding fantasy genre story. Made-up names for institutions and locations are part and parcel of the genre. LotR was notorious for this and it's a flagship of the genre.
But I don't hold it against you, this kind of stuff doesn't click with certain readers and I'm okay with that.

>>22656524
NTR.
Simple as.

>>22655615
When you accuse writers of things like fetishism, you tell more about yourself than the writer.
You sick fuck.

>>22657069
>Cisereal
Piss off with the politics.

>>22655599
Kept thinking about this shit I wrote during work.
Like holy shit, what a desperately dark piece. But I can't say it doesn't hold truth.

>bejitabro is samefagging support for his cuckshit
Can't make this up lmfao

>>22657142
Dane Cook over here with the jokes.

>>22657149
>cuckshit
You didn't read the whole thing

>>22656671
Stable Diffusion can be downloaded and installed on your computer. Once you've done that, no one can take it away from you.

>>22657238
Stable diffusion is trash next to even Dalle 2.

>>22645884
>Writing a horror short story about a man trapped in a simulation
>The simulation creates his dream girl to entice him to stay trapped
>Think it'll be a nice little bit of wish fulfillment before the kicker at the end
>Don't actually know how to write flirtatious dialog or interactions, so it's mostly just a guy hanging out with a friendly woman.
Help me /lit/. This story is supposed to be the first in an anthology and I don't want it to die on the vine.

>>22657290
the only help you'll get is "Write it."

>>22657290
That sounds fine and enticing to me, if anything it might be good to keep things chill and utilize that comfortable vibe early on and have 'her' become more unhinged and desperate as he tries harder and harder to break away. Good relationships aren't constant degenerate porno shitposting anyways.

How do I come up with more hair and eye color combos?

>>22657328
I can promise you that's the least of your issues as a writer

>>22657290
Watch vtubers for a few hours until you feel the pull of a parasocial relationship.

>>22657331
I still need an answer.

>>22657336
You don't and you won't get one anyway

>>22657336
If you cannot even be bothered to google the variety of human hair and eye color, you are not gonna make it.

>>22657328
I don't even mention either of these things

>>22657255
That hasn't been my experience with it. Maybe you're using it wrong. Also, it's open-source, so unless you're some sort of brainlet, you can improve on it.

>>22657328
just go outside.

>>22657328
you're on /lit/, not /ic/, dumbfuck. stop animewriting. come up with an interesting character before you go fucking about worrying over their bloody eyecolor.

>>22657290
So, the story "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" by Philip K. Dick? Which was turned into the movie "Total Recall"? This is the problem with being an incel NEET shutin...you don't realize how unoriginal your ideas are, because you NEVER LEAVE YOUR ROOM. Go live life and talk to people before trying to become a writer.

I've written something I'm kinda proud of or happy with but I worry that I'm just a pseud amusing myself with my own "deepness". For context, this is an excerpt that starts a scene but it's not the opening of the story.

>The day after Friday is Monday, and it dawns. Sunlight leaks in around lowered blinds like oil. Caleb watches it from Nicko’s couch. Listens to Nicko, sleeping, upstairs. Watches the fan on the ceiling go around and around and go nowhere - achieve nothing. His phone alarm goes off. He quiets it. Shuts his eyes. Screws up his face. Sighs.

>Drags himself, like a harpooned whale, back home.

>He parks at the end of a long and winding track, at the front of a small and simple house. It is poor but not dirty. It is wooden, and up on stumps. It is the furthest-flung debris of the far-flung village of Gunshy, and it is as rooted in the desert as the rocks and the restless wind. This house will always be here. And Caleb will always be coming home. He sits there, engine idling, with his hand poised to turn the key. He shuts his eyes. Screws up his face. Sighs.

>Turns the key.

>The engine starves. He hears it. It is a terrible, gasping death. The spack of the spark plugs stops, and the frothy spriss of the fuel injectors, but the crank continues to turn under its own inertia for a moment more and the engine gasps air around the throttle plate in panting, slowing breaths. The pistons hurl themselves at the valve heads frantically, desperate for another gulp of petrol, and they sound like a choir, screaming, as the eight of them scratch at their cylinder walls. The sound falls off slowly and then all at once. It takes a few seconds at most for the machine to still. Vibrations fade. Silence rushes in. He reaches for the doorhandle and shuts his eyes. Screws up his face. Sighs.

Trying too hard? It was fun to write but is it fun to read? Overwrought? Overlong?

>>22657290
Flirting is two parties who seemingly show subconscious attraction to each other and constantly pushing that boundary. It starts small, but becomes a joust. Many do it for fun, you’ll know the type because they come out guns blazing, it throws the unassuming party off guard and causes a temporary infatuation. But assuming the parties are on an even footing, it’s an issue of boundaries and pushing them ever so slightly without asking for permission or consent. This is part of the risk, if you don’t time it right it can be a turn off or you could get accused of being a creep or sexist or a ‘sex pest’. It gives women a sense of social control and feeds the ego. If you are talking about flirting like it’s a rom com anime bullshit it’s different because the parties aren’t aware of their interactions as flirting, they are consumed by their awareness of lack of awareness.


I never got laid by the women I flirted with. It’s all that psychoanalysis desire stuff. All the women that slept with me just met an outgoing charmingly awkward and unaware drunk.

>>22657290
The purpose of flirting is to hold out your hand in such a way as that, if the other person doesn't grab it, your dignity is preserved. It's other purpose is to hold out your hand, so to speak, without slapping the other person in the face with it. It's about making it easy for the other person to say no, and about asking for very little so that when they do say no (if they do) the rejection is very small. Each escalation in flirting is about adding just a little bit more - making your intention just a little bit clearer each time, and each time your flirting is not rejected you can be more certain that they actually are interested so that you already know the answer when you finally pop the "wanna fuck" question so that the wounding rejection doesn't happen.

Knowing now the purpose of flirting, it should be easier for you to write. Flirting has a purpose which is to get an answer to a question by degrees. What question is your flirt-girl asking? "Do you want to fuck" is not enough - fat fetishists would flirt in a different way to amazon muscle-girl lovers, so the question is not just about having sex but also about the kind of sex (and indeed relationship) they want to have. That's why different people flirt in different ways.

>>22657438
Yes, which is why I'm animewriting. /Ic/ is for drawing not writing. This is an anime website.

>>22657440
There are no original ideas.

>>22657440
But never leaving your room is an experience you vaxtards would never understand.

>>22657455
At first I thought your similes were shallow and removal of a sentences initial pronoun was awkward, but the last paragraph pulled it off perfectly. I’m not sure why, maybe because your actual writing was sprinkled in it instead of this strange curt modality you adopted for the piece. Figure out why the last one works but the others feel awkward. Or don’t. Just my take.

>>22657440
The projection is strong in this one

>>22657440
>you don't realize how unoriginal your ideas are, because you NEVER LEAVE YOUR ROOM. Go live life and talk to people before trying to become a writer.
This man has killed /lit/.

>>22657545
don't give him encouragement otherwise he'll start droning on about Jack London and Ian Flemming again

>>22657069
Is the art yours? Or did you pay someone/use AI?

I got an idea awhile ago. It literally came to me in a dream. The story would be about a caveman who comes up with the idea for agriculture and tries to convince his tribe to do it with him, but they refuse. So he decides to abandon them and go off on his own to create the first agricultural society.

>>22657584
Go read some David Graeber, please. That's going to be as good as that Ringo Star movie.

>>22657585
Why what’s wrong with it?

>>22657588
Agriculture happened over many generations of humans interacting with local plant life and determining it's growth and life cycles and subsequent slight modification over many years. Generally it was a supplement to the mainstay hunting diet, which itself was supplemented by wild plants that were found along the way. To think that someone just had the idea one day, as if old humans were completely stupid, is itself pretty stupid. It's not like they went from nomadic tribes to Uruk over night.

>>22657592
That’s why it’s fiction. It’s not a history book. and who knows what actually happened? We weren’t there. I believe that dreams are messages and I have been ordered to write this story.

>>22657597
I just think that the plot you gave seems a little shallow. Wouldn't it be more interesting if he stole the idea from a woman in the tribe who kept a secret garden? How did he not just prove his point of agriculture by plating things with a predictable outcome instead of trying to convince others of the idea? Wouldn't a tribe like that know what everyone else is doing? What kind of complex social dynamics are going on in the tribe? Do they hang out at Göbekli Tepe?

>>22657440

That story is like three pages long and doesn't even resemble either movie they made out of it.

>>22657526
Good feedback and I see what you mean. Thanks.

>>22657613
The tribe is mean and vindictive they are evil. They mock him and make fun of him. In the end he conquers them like Odysseus

How stupid is it for my MC to kill someone, then immediately go eat dinner with his lover?

>>22657622
How does a tribe stay together long enough to grow this individual to an age where he 'discovers' agriculture, only to then be mean, evil, and vindictive? They wouldn't have survived that long. They don't have much else to do other than hunt for a few hours and then gossip with each other til the sun sets. They would have already worked through these issues. That doesn't make any sense.

>>22657627
We don't know your main character, so we don't know what he's like enough to make that determination. Is he patrick bateman? Is he the guy from crime and punishment? Only you know how your character would react or not react to his action. Is he a psychopath? Is he in 500bc Greece? Is he in shock? We don't know these things that would or would not justify going to dinner.

>>22657632
He is the only one who’s not evil, and this is why he could discover agriculture. This is according to my dream, and I haven’t altered it at all.

>>22657636
So he isn't evil, but he participated in a tribe that is evil for a long enough period to develop critical thinking skills and discover agriculture? How is he not evil too? Is he not the product of his people? Was he not taught to do evil as a child? If he never did evil he would have been thrown off a cliff as a baby, and if he did do evil to fit in then he is evil too. I just don't understand.

>>22657650
You might not be able to understand. We could be operating at different vibrational frequencies, that is what causes most misunderstandings

1860's American Wild West with werewolves.

Weapon by Sheriff Jim of Yuma Arizona - Colt Army 1860 .36 caliber double action
Bullets - Depends on how he wants to kill the werewolves.
+.96 Silver bullets kill
-.96-.90 Silver bullets maim
sub .90 - stun.

He kills these dirty mutts until a sexy Mestizo by the name of Senorita Isabella Fernandez Cortez, a descendent of the daughter of Montezuma and Hernan Cortez seduces Jim and is a werewolf herself.

Does Jim hunt her down or does he let her go because of love? Too coom baiting?

>>22654469
I told my boss I write and gave her the hook of my story.
They will both never see it.

>>22657777
Based and checked

>>22657670
You had me until
>sexy mestizo
I can only suspend my disbelief so much.

>>22657786
i couldn't make her a castizo because Montezuma isn't white

>>22657666
>>22657777
witnessed the divine and the devil in one bread

How do I get thicker skin when facing scrutiny of my book?

>>22658112
exposure to scrutiny

>>22658112
Simply stop caring

>>22657554
Slopped it on dall-e 3

>>22658112
Expose your scrotum.

>>22658115
But where? The only guy I know is a harsh critic...

>>22655700
Guess I gotta write some new stuff to catch the attention of /wg/. Maybe next thread.

>>22659059
>next thread
Thread is dead and we killed it.