/lit/ - Literature

lmao maybe literature board isnt the best place to discuss literature, at the time of this post exactly zero threads on the first page are about a specific piece of literature, its just pol / x / r9k tier 80 iq shitposts

>Make thread on some shitty obscure book.
>Gets butt hurted that no one has replied with in 15 minutes.

Try growing an brain sometime lmao.

>>22640901
>obscure
mate 98% of your board is offtopic garbage about no specific piece of literature, and remaining 2% are about the same exact 3 baby's first book threads
no one on lit reads
its just thinly veiled pol/x/b/incel/coom/bait/seethe/gossip threads

mentally underage / 10, i gotta find a better website to talk about (actual, specific) books

>>22640713
Sure. Sell it to me like I don’t know anything about it. Also thoughts on the Tarkovsky adaptation?

>>22641016
well its the biggest soviet sci fi book, that's essentially what it is, its apolitical and yet it was stuck in censorship hell for a decade

everyone has his own interpretation of it, and they are vastly different, which is why i wanted to discuss it
to me, its a story about a guy trying to figure out the meaning of life
along the way, he meets stereotypical scientists at the institute, organized crime people, military industrial complex people, all of them on the same quest to figure out the meaning of life
the answer is promised to all of them in this lovecraftian zone created by the aliens, and so they all go in there, trying to get to the same thing from their own different backgrounds and motivations and worldviews

tarkovsky adaptation was enjoyable if you are into slow and philosophical pretentious arthouse movies, and it was unwatchably slow if you are into zoomer capeshit type movies
it suffers from the same thing every adaptation since before time: its ultra condensed, faithful adaptation of even a novella or short story would be like 15 hours, for example they completely cut out all the family scenes and bar scenes and tried to crammed it all into the zone scenes, and family and town/bar stuff is 2/3 of the book, and ofcourse they have only 1/10 of the characters in the movie

but i gotta go to sleep man, doubt the thread will make it till tomorrow, im working 1st shift, this board doesnt discuss specific literature like this, its just offtopic gossip

>>22640901
>an brain

>>22640713
Very influential but mostly known through secondary sources. Ruskis have a very dry sense of humor I don’t really see mentioned when it comes to these books. It’s more present in Monday starts in Tuesday, and some in Hard to be a God.

Roadside Picnic is the best of theirs I’ve read anyway. Annihilation is derivative of the concept. Solaris has the same awe inspiring feeling when it comes to scifi that just borders what we can comprehend. Arguably it’s more successfully accomplishing “cosmic horror” than Lovecraft and his cadre of also rans.

>>22641078
Sounds cool. I’ll check it out.

>>22642090
A Billion Years to the End of the World is the funniest Strugatsky's book, especially the part where fake policemen come to harass protagonist.

Any troika can suggest that story is about the intoxication of society. Essentially, it reflected the toxicity and abomination of social progress in late soviet union. Whoever read it will tell, there are no dialogues. It is dialectic. Thesis, antithesis and synthesis. Nothing that you can benefit as a reader from focusing on the character's speech. Always, razborki and hegelian dialectic. This was society back then and it is still the same regardless of collapse. People still cannot figure out that it is essentially the dialectic that breaks relationships in every sphere, work, school, hospital, family, friendship and so on. It is specifically what Althusser spoke on Interpellation through Ideological State Apparatus (ISA). Currently, this is cultivated in the UK, Europe and US to break down these societies and actually we have just transitioned into the new phase so everything is just at its inception. To summerise, hegelian dialectic and dialectical materialism is a toxic tool to eradicate the structure of society and this has been achieved through media and interpellation.

>>22642090
>mostly known through secondary sources
I know that book, and the movie because of the STALKER game series.

>>22640713
>Which is strange
People don't actively discuss the greatest classics. Everyone just agrees that it's good and moves on. Active discussion boils around divisive works that make everyone seethe.

>>22641078
>well its the biggest soviet sci fi book
Not true. Yefremov and Lem were both bigger in the USSR, and (may Allah forgive me for uttering this name) Luk'y*nenko is much bigger in the post-Sov Russia. Strugatsky bros did end up with tremendous influence growing out of their cult following and efforts to educate and promote smaller authors, to the point where every single post-Sov sci fi author in Russia is their apprentice in one way or another. Luk'yanenko serves as a classic example.

>its apolitical and yet it was stuck in censorship hell for a decade
Strugatsky brothers never encountered any actual censoring state litigation. They did have massive issues publishing a number of their works because they had a tremendous personal beef with the aforementioned Yefremov, who also happened to be the Chief Editor of Molodaya Gvardia - the state publishing house which published all domestic sci-fi. So if you wrote sci fi and Efremov did not like you at the time, then you were all out of luck.

>to me, its a story about a guy trying to figure out the meaning of life
Rather, it's that meaning being illusive but impossible to strip entirely from a man. By the end, Red is a thoroughly broken and jaded individual, but he cannot truly give in to real misanthropy.

>>22643352
That one is indeed very good.

>>22640713
I remember reading it at like 16 and only understanding half of it, but I still liked it.
If you like the movie STALKER or the games, I really recommend reading it. Also the other books of A. & B. Strugatsky, like "A Billion Years Before the End of the World" are pretty good.

>>22644093
>Strugatsky brothers never encountered any actual censoring state litigation
They were ordered to do a lot of politically motivated changes to the Inhabited Island.

>>22640713
I read it 2ish years ago, it was annoying how every time when the action was finally accelerating a timeskip struck you in face. Crawling with loot part was cool and how the main character was always acting clever to not get fucked when everybody was a twofaced scum only waiting to sell your ass. The ending was in style of all their other books but better, too much time spent on daughter not enough on describing the Зoнa, leaving some things for imagination is all right but the book could be longer if they added more stories of missing people or descriptions what really is out there.

>>22640901
Boo hoo retard, not my fault you're illiterate.

The only part that had any deeper meaning or commentary on The Human Condition was when he was pouring his soul out but basically said he thought he was smarter than everyone else but they were all profiting on him which I found kind of relatable to the generic 4chan loner "sigma male type". parts of the book are almost illegible due to the cultural and translation barrier. I am sure the English translation is missing a lot. It's also a bit short and a little disappointing.

>>22645094
This 100%. I was expecting STALKER and got Metro instead.

>>22642090
>Monday starts in Tuesday

I did enjoy Wizard Trofim Lysenko fucking everything up, and how utterly cynical everyone in the surrounding town was about magic.

>>22644367
>They were ordered to do a lot of politically motivated changes to the Inhabited Island.
By the publisher, not by the Glavlit.

>>22640901
>roadside picnic
>obscure
Retarded kwab

>>22640952
>>22641866
>noo lit is just pol-wanking
>ignored the thread about a sci-fi books to engage in pol-wanking
You prove the troll right by being this autistic.

>>22644093
>state litigation
Retard actually thinks the USSR went through “litigation” when it censored books

>>22647025
Scifi is far from the most popular genre of lit, and Soviet sci fi works are far from the most popular part of sci fi.

Like seriously, what would you even recognize as a truly obscure sci fi book? Something only published once back in 1960s and never translated into English? Bulychev's "The White Dress of Cinderella"? Martynov's "Callisto"?

>>22647033
>Retard actually thinks the USSR went through “litigation” when it censored books
They did though.

Zamyatin's "We" was directly banned from publication and disctribution by Glavlit decree, as did Platonov's "Foundation Pit", Gonchar's "Cathedral", Akhmatova's "From Six Books".

Much more editing and refusals to publish happened at the hands of publishers without any involvement of the state censorship, and much more of it concerned disagreements between authors and publishers, personal vendettas, competition, and basic-ass financial interests, rather that ideological factors.

It's just extremely gay that every single dude who tried and failed to publish something in pre-Perestroika USSR just automatically got the "tragic victim of the Brutal Censorship Machine" treatment. Like seriously, name one Russian dude you know who faced issues with publication that he did not blame on a dead regime. It's just free publicity a la "Banned Books" on Reddit. Or how half the faggots in the Writers General blame their failures on Soros.

bump

>>22647035
Eh, sci-fi's pretty popular these days, at least compared to prior years. And Roadside Picnic has an arthouse film and video game series based off it. Now, the other Strugatsky novels that didn't get adaptations, those are obscure.

>>22640713
>it is one of the biggest sci fi classics
In E*rope

>>22650630
>Eh

Opinion discarded