/lit/ - Literature

ragnar redbeard
he is often dismissed or laughed at kind of like 4chan whenever it says things that are just true but people resent hearing it

>>22631718
Still requires work. Try Stirner.

>>22631713
>Humans are just a bunch of dumb violent animals
Bataille I guess.

>>22631713
Christianity.
>I want someone to look me in the face and tell me it's all worthless, meaningless, pointless and shit.

“Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”

What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.


It's pointless. Will you worship what your own hands have built? How can you please God? Would you build a house for him with your hands, hands God made, with materials God made?

But there is transcendence as well.

>>22632050
Start with Ecclesiastes, then Job, and pic related. Then consider the Canticle of Canticles and they it is written about the soul. Read Romans 7-8 on slavery and freedom. Then you are ready to read the Gospels.

>>22631713
Seconding Ecclesiastes.
You could also try classical tragedies.
Though both of the above do not fully embrace pure senselessness. As in Ecclesiastes the revelation of insignificance is meant to lead one to a resignation to follow God and one's own work, and in classical tragedy a higher fate produces absurd suffering but has a reason of its own kind--it makes something right again.
Hollebeq (however it's spelled) or Samuel Beckett might be more up your alley

>>22631713
>With Nietzsche (and other nihilists)
Obvious bait, kys

>>22632050
>>22632059
Bait posts

>>22631713
Microeconomics kind of implies this

>>22632683
Microeconomics simply punts on questions of value by throwing everything into the black box of "tastes" and "social welfare functions."

Like, why did Augustine and Bernard of Clairvaux throw away all their wealth and become celibate priests? Tastes. Why did Merton, obviously and extremely intelligent guy who could have gone far in 20th century business become a monk and then a hermit? Tastes.

>>22631713
If you are so sure nothing matters, why do you even need a book to tell you so?

the denial of death

>>22631713
De Sade

>>22631713
>Nietzsche (and other nihilists)
Please tell me this is bait and you aren't really this stupid.

>Nietzsche wasnt a nihilist
The ultimate midwit reddit take

>>22631713
>Nietzsche
>nihilist
dumb tourist

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>>22634273
Kek. OP you really got these guys seething

>>22634735
>says thing that is wrong
>is told
>noooooo you can't do that, you must be seething
dumb poltroon

>>22635356
Sorry pal, but he was a nihilist and a sodomite. Hero worship of a man like that is unhealthy

>>22633119
And is that wrong? Maybe it's wrong to say that it's just "taste", it's wants and desires and viewpoints of people on what they perceive to be valuable to them.

>>22635356
>>22634273
>>22634178
>>22634118
>Nooo Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist because he thought humans could somehow derive meaning from ART
Nietzschecels are so delusional.

Nietzsche distinguished between active nihilism and passive nihilism which both have the same premise. Passive nihilism is what most people think nihilism is, active nihilism is more like what is now called existentialism. So yes Nietzsche was an active nihilist, but no he wasn't a passive nihilist.

Anyway OP, try Emil Cioran. He's kind of like if you took Nietzsche and inverted all the life-affirming and self-overcoming parts. Might still be too much coping or just too depressed for you but he can be an enjoyable read.
>"Do I look like someone who has something to do here on Earth?" — That's what I'd like to answer the busybodies who inquire into my activities.
>Existence would be a quite impracticable enterprise if we stopped granting importance to what has none.

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>>22634053
This

Stirner and De Sade are fucking scary
For Pessimism The Wisdom of Silenus

The greatest fuck (you)s

>>22631713
Honestly, Zen and Taoism have this, but without the aggression.

darwin

>>22634735
>calling retards retarded is "seething"
really got em with that one.

>>22636083
And worshipping a dirty Jewish rabbi who washed the feet of migrants and associated with prostitutes and criminals is any better?

>>22631713
>With Nietzsche (and other nihilists)
Stopped reading and I don't even like him. Retarded OP.

>Nietzsche (and other nihilists) we still get a lot of coping about the possibility of making life "worth" something through hard work. I don't want any of that.
I would actually like to know opposite recommendations - which Nietzsche's works cover the theme of making life worth it through hard work ? (I'm a former neet pholosphylet thats just getting back into reading again)

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See
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