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>>22618085
See Plato’s theory of metempsychosis.

>>22618134
I’m more thinking of the Neo Platonists like Proclus and Iamblichus

>>22618183
>how did the Platonic conception
>picture of Plato
>I’m more thinking of the neo plantonist
Retard

>>22618183
Neoplatonists go even harder on reincarnation than Plato. Also there’s no world soul or atman vs jivatman distinction in christianity.

>>22618085
Socrates and somewhat later Plato’s idea of the soul is much closer to Eastern religions than Christianity. Socrates outlines pretty clearly in the Phaedo that the soul recalls past existences, and even that certain ways of living can trigger reincarnation into different beings. Violent people become wolves, etc.
Socrates believes it is pursuit of wisdom across lifetimes which eventual ends up in the perfect soul in a sort of heaven, which is almost totally analogous to the Buddhist idea of Nirvana.

In a way, that last point makes his idea of the soul similar to the early Christian gnostic factions, but not modern Christian tradition of one soul per lifetime

>>22618201
I picked Plato since he’s more well know if I picked a picture of Iamblichus no one would have looked at this thread.

Why are you so obnoxious and rude

>>22618205
What do you mean by atman vs jivatman distinction and how does that relate to Platonism

>>22618230
Was it still dualistic like soul and body distinction

I know the hylomorphism complicates things

Also didn’t they have different distinctions of the soul like vegetive soul sentient soul etc

>>22618405
At least you are cognizant of just how much we care about neoplatonism.

>>22618085
soul is the role. political animal is one role and constituent animal is another role. there i just saved you from lateral bio

>tripartite soul with hard differentiations in ontological status
>non-dual unity of soul, world soul and aspiration toward reintegration with the monad
>cyclical metempsychosis
>pre-existence
>epistemological theory tied in with the soul's pre-existence (anamnesis)
https://youtu.be/xQXK-BMLgmc

>>22618673
Why the tripartite soul with hard differentiations in ontological status

Isn’t it more parsimonious to just say the soul is one rather than three

>>22618673
lol promoting your own YouTube channel?

>>22619227
Ye.s

>>22618420
Not directly stated but I think dualism is pretty clearly what they had in mind. When Socrates argues against the atunement theory (that the body is like an instrument that when all parts work properly together it produces sounds in tune, in the same way a human body’s tune is the soul) he claims that the flesh can have no bearing on the soul.

As far as vegetative soul and sentient sould I believe thats more Aquinas, I dont recall any of that in Plato or Aristotle but I could be wrong

>>22619227
This retard is shameless in his shilling

>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FxQXK-BMLgmc+

Boilerplate wiki scholar tier rundown too

You gain your vegetative soul from your mother in the womb. Your eternal intellectual soul descends from the fixed stars sometime later. See pic.

>>22618085
Plato’s soul is not a concrete absolute combination of your personality and ethics. Plato’s soul is literally the good which exists inside everyone and which is dependent on the forms. This is why in the Phaedo he says the soul can never be wrong because it is like a harmony. A musical harmony can never be out of tune for then it wouldn’t be a harmony. Likewise, the soul can never be bad or else it wouldn’t be a soul. That’s not to say evil doesn’t exist but rather, he thinks it is the parts which lack the soul.

Plato was NOT a dualist and I urge you not to listen to filtered academicucks. There is no mind/soul-body dualism, true platonism is metaphysical idealism and hard monism. Read pic related.

>>22618230
That is good at explaining his different view on the afterlife and reincarnation but it doesn’t really say much about the actual soul itself. You didn’t actually explain how the soul itself is concretely different from the Christian conception. 2/10

The good elements are the fundamental parts of the soul which you say are elevated after the demise of its body. A soul isn’t just someone getting punished for the actions of this life.

>>22618085
>particular soul's immortality vs. migration to physical vessels attuned to receiving one

The soul doesn't get a bodily resurrection. It returns to the One and the former identity it played here (the complex of our bodies and souls aka what we call ourselves) is kind of like a memory but an eternal one that can be perfectly present at anytime the one so chooses.

At least I think that's what Plotinus was saying.

the iamblican soul is a pure and unmixed deity that progressively descends from its divine essence to a more material state. whatever divine qualities that it has are obscured by material “envelopes”, which can be likened to the various forms of lust, desires, concepts that bind us. when the soul transmigrates it tends to transmigrates to another similar body unless it has done exceedingly well or poorly in the past life. so a human that was overly obsessed with freedom or some arbitrary concept could be reborn as a bird, if you want to use a nice example. most of the transmigration possibilities are pretty awful obviously. but anyway, being born causes primordial ignorance, so it doesn’t matter anyway, the body is going to get filled by a soul no matter what. the goal of the trans migrant is to remember and return to divinity

christian concepts of the soul are much easier. we’re all sparks of god tainted by the original sin and must obediently follow gods word or else. the body IS mixed with the soul according to the gospel, which is why Jesus says to pluck out your eye if it causes you to sin. be careful to note that this does not mean that the body generates the soul, instead it means that each soul is allocated to a body according to god’s design to restore his kingdom on earth

>>22620129
But then what role does body play

>>22621075
Body is a hindrance which you must do away with in Socrates’ own words. So get going

>>22620359
But is it like dualism still?

>>22621081
I am a world soul on a horse

>>22621089
Does Hegels world soul differ from the world soul nous of Plato?

>>22618230
No, it's not even remotely analogous. Buddhist idea of nirvana is complete destruction of "soul" and its nonexistence, not "the perfect soul in a sort of heaven".

>>22621176
So Buddhism is a descent into matter since in a Platonic view matter is the absence of form so Buddhism is striving for nirvana the absence of form

>>22621093
Hegel was a beta