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quick rundown? I don't read selfhelpslop

>>22610972
Believe in yourself, eat three square meals, set small attainable goals that lead up to your all time bug goal to avoid burn out, Get at least 8hours of sleep by planning to get 9, wake up at 5 am and do a bit of cardio, make todo lists.

>>22611006
why do the meals need to be square?

>>22611014
because squares are bigger than triangles

>>22611014
Because circular ones tend to roll your stomach into knots and the triangular ones can cause ulcers, rectangular meals tend to get stuck in the small intestine and any meal with more than 4 sides is over indulgent. No one has pulled off the möbius meal, or maybe those who have are keeping silent for some reason.

>>22611014
>>22611036
Its all covered in the book though. You should read it since you didn't already have that clearly basic knowledge.

>>22610965
After checking Good Reads and making considerations, I chose to pick Atomic Habits instead of this one. I don't remember what was the thought process back then, but I think Atomic Habits is more practical and straight to the point.

>>22610972
>"I don't read self-help"
Picrel is you anon

>>22611006
Useless advice. Almost nobody has a big long-term goal and if they do, they can’t easily identify small goals that get them there. Moreover, it’s just not reasonable to expect that people can just achieve goals. Sometimes, they just can’t and it has almost nothing to do with them.

This whole late 20th early-21st century hustle/goal/self-improvement for blank slate people that can do whatever they want if they just apply themselves correctly industry is easily the weirdest and most perverted thing to come out of post-modernity. The fact that it’s so popular speaks to just how fucked up we are.

>>22611056
If you seriously read self-help you’re low IQ. Really.

>>22611062
Do you think there is a reasonable alternative to this?

>>22611078
Asking if there’s a reasonable alternative to this is like asking a sick man if there’s a reasonable alternative to his cough. Yeah, it’s not being sick. This whole culture is profoundly sick and this is just one of the many ways it tries to cope with that.

>>22611056
My father taught me how to solve problems and be a man, and my mother taught me emotional stability

>>22611080
I'm not trying to have a gotcha on you or anything, I'm genuinely curious because sometimes anon has great insights. And I agree that the popularity of self-help is just a symptom of lack of meaning, which goes much deeper than the inability to make a daily todo list.

So, do you think that there is a specific way out of this for a 21st century man? Or do you just think that we can turn to other/older cultures, or, say, or own past?

>>22611093
>Emotional stability from a woman

>>22611095
*our own past

>>22611062
90% of this board has the long term goal of moving out of their mom's basement

>>22611062
Hey I was just letting people know what was in this amazing, life changing, purely humanitarian and definitely not for profit or image scrubbing work of high literature. If you don't like it you can stay poor and down trodden dipshit.

>>22611039
Stop promoting your shit book
Captcha: x400xd

>>22611356
I will stop promoting my book once you read it and become less of a faggot. I am on a crusade to eliminate faggotry from this great world and you are the last hold out.

>>22611078
join your local communist party. complain about capitalism forever.

>>22611093
>my mother taught me emotional stability

>22 replies and no one has actually talked about what’s in the book
I guess we ARE collectively retarded.

>>22610965
I disagree. 'Early Retirement Extreme ' for example is also very practical. No wonder because it's written by a systems scientist.

>>22611475
What do you mean?
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>>22611036
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>>22611095
It seems to me like there is a pretty decent discussion about the very important and unique contents of Allens mater work. I may not agree with everything said but I can at least admit its stimulating convo.

>>22610965
>brand new edition for 2015
I don't remember what was changed in that edition, but some random comment made me read the older edition.
You can just apply the old system to having a computer/smartphone.
Also, you may not stick to the system the first few tries, because building habits takes time and requires easy cues.

Otherwise, it is completely possible to have a useless overdose of self-help books that inspire no action.

>>22611484
All of those posts are based on a misrepresentation of what the book is about by an anon making the joke that the book is about 'generic good advice'.

The book itself is about how to externalize the burdens of your mind by putting all the 'stuff' in one place and subsequently process and do the front end of the thinking about those items by asking 'what is the next direct step' and putting those into a place you can review often enough to where your brain isn't constantly thinking about those little nagging things in the back of your head. It's a solution to that constant draining overwhelming feeling.

>>22611508
I guess a lot of people here see a nominal "self-help" book and think it's interchangeable with Jocko Willink or something. The original target market for GTD was really people who were already in business and doing things.

I think the main difference with the second edition is that Dave talks about keeping your email inbox empty. He doesn't get into a lot of detail about specific software. Imagine trying to use a guide from 2015 now. Apparently, his favourite tool was Lotus Notes (discontinued now). There's a story in one of his podcasts where one of his employees accidentally deletes everything and he just takes a notebook and starts reproducing it on paper, point being that it's just a set of principles. Paper is underrated, actually. You have 100% control over the layout, which is more than you can say for most apps.

>>22611006
>dude just eat and sleep well
So this is the power of self help...

>>22611692
Oh I forgot in my summary to add the most important thing. Compartmentalize. Thanks for reminding me anon. I can't believe I forgot the most simple yet important incite of our great guru Mr. Allen.

>>22611755
Unironically yes

>>22611006
>all time bug goal
nice freudian slip

>>22611755
>not eating and sleeping well
So this is the power of degeneracy...

>>22611692
>stop saying things about a book that are not the things I want to hear!

>>22610965
I am thinking about these problems
>and making collages too

>>22611006
>whyDoIFeelSoGoodAllTheTime.jpg
>basic NPC behavior in the matrix
Even an ant has more dignity.

>>22611095
Out of it? No. I think you can’t help but live in your time. But what you can do is change your polestar. Life is quite literally a series of moments strung together. When we talk about life, we don’t measure it in dollars, Sq. Ft., likes, friends, or any of that. We talk about it in measurements of time. It stands to reason then that the important thing in regard to a life is what you do with it, literally how you spend the finite time that you have. Basically, you have to make choices. You have to decide what is worth allocating your precious finite time on and what you’re going to do. So the question then is “What is worth doing?” I think the answer to that question need not be contained within what we consider typical for these times. You know? It can feel like the goal of life in 2023 is just to have a successful corporate career and make a lot of money, or have a big social media presence, or whatever. But just because that’s the perceived norm for this age doesn’t mean it has to be your perceived norm? What is stopping you from striving to embody older values in your life? Nothing. What is stopping you from dedicating your life to poetry? Nothing. Religion? Nothing. What is stopping you from understanding your place not just as a man of 2023, the 20202s, the 2000s, of > 1 AD, of all known history, indeed of all time? Nothing. What you take as your polestar, the thing that orients your direction, the thing that you use as a “this is where and what I’m aiming at” doesn’t have to be any of this modern shit, including the self-help, self-improvement scam. There are challenges involved. You’ll have to have the courage to be otherwise, to stand out, to perhaps be a loner, and you have to have the ability to actualize what is worthwhile. It’s not enough to say “this is worth doing”. You have to actually do it, or at least try to. That’s all very difficult, but you’ve already made clear that it’s worthwhile, and if you have a polestar that truly is beyond these fleeting modern mandates, then there’s never a question of it ever becoming worthwhile. Your “goals” will always be timeless, classic, and evergreen. They will never be obsolete. You can be a man not only of what’s been, but what is, albeit maybe pushed aside, and what will be. So that’s the alternative. All of this is very different than this dichotomy of “well, either you become a modern bugman or you get subsumed into self-improvement and goal achievement”. What you want to do is figure out what is worth doing, and then do it. That’s my opinion.

>>22611062
>Almost nobody has a big long-term goal and if they do, they can’t easily identify small goals that get them there
Maybe if you're a mental retard

>>22611006
>Get at least 8hours of sleep by planning to get 9, wake up at 5 am
This means going to bed at 8-9pm every night, that sounds dreadful. I much rather study to the sounds of owls while all the normlings are asleep.

>>22610965

Just read the table of contents, and spend a few minutes thinking about the content behind each chapter title, and how the chapters are related.

For simple self-help/airport books, you don't actually need to read the book, as many of the core conclusions are in the chapter titles.

>>22613284
You think ;)
>>22614544
Hey man, if you want to purposefully lose the rat race you were forced into due to some weird idea of dignity (one you picked up in the same stupid maze btw, maybe you should be a little skeptical of that) thats up to you. No one is going to stop from dying right and miserable.
>>22614625
Thats cool. Its fine if you want to be the last to everything because people that prefer the light of day built the world and are the gatekeepers of all opportunity.

>>22614625
lmao you just watch netflix on the couch and then your iphone in your bed and wake up tired just like every single normie

>>22610965
>Allen
Jew detected. Opinion discarded.

>>22615211
What is your next action step regarding
>jews
That’s a terrible todo list item. Future you is going to forget what that means.

>>22610972
Just do it

>>22610965
its hard to keep up with. nobody keeps up with these systems for a very long length of time. even marie kondo has a messy house now. i shudder to think of the state of david allens inbox

>>22616319
It’s an awful thing. It’s so logical and effective but so elusive. Every time I sit down and gather everything in one place and go through it I feel so much relief, but maintaining it is so difficult.

I don't understand people who can't help themselves. When I fail at a goal, there was one reason for it. I just didn't care about it enough.

People look for self-help shit because they wonder why they can't get anything done. And they can't get anything done because they're surrounded by entertainment and they're lazy. Never seem to find time for that book you want to write? The problem isn't your methodology, it's you. You just don't give enough of a shit. Would it be nice if I could accomplish everything I set out to do? Maybe. But some ideas are just destined to remain ideas, because you eventually decide the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

>>22617128
Yeah no shit we are trying to not be lazy

>>22617148
I know the real answer to your problem, but I won't tell you for free. The answer is literally too valuable for me to say on 4chan for free. And no, I'm not selling it. I'm just saying that the actual answer, the words you need to hear, if you heard them, would be so profoundly valuable and be so functionally useful to you, that it would essentially make you my competitor, and I would rather not give you the keys to the kingdom. Not "you," but everyone who reads those sacred words, including you.

>>22617128
This is a long post on something you claim to not understand desu. Was the juice it took to shit that out really worth the squeeze?

>>22617154
>keys to the kingdom
Godfags are the worst.

Self help books are absolute schlock for midwit retards. If you unironically think this shit is profound then fuck off, you don’t belong here