/lit/ - Literature

>posts a /sci/ chart
>calls it "rare" on /lit/
hold up lemme pull up my hong kong cinema chart, that's super rare

>>22599810
But it's been made in a /lit/ thread a while ago, Anon.

Maybe this one then

>>22599842
hurr durr

>>22599873
You are right anon, seems like I misremembered for some reason. My mistake then.

>>22599884
based mistake admitter very rare on here

>>22599873
>>22599884
does another version exist or just this one
>>22599810
a book is a book desu

>>22599794
can someone post the more comprehensive christian mysticism chart again?

Behold, where it all started for me. In 2020 I checked out /lit/ on a whim to see what discussion about literature looked like on 4chan. At that time I knew nothing of it. I probably went on it before once but not knowing who all the personages were and not being interested in such a boring subject as literature I left. The second time I visited however, I chanced upon a chart thread. Looking at the charts and people speaking about the books in said charts kind of motivated me and sparked my interest in some of them. Then I saw pic rel and someone describe how beautiful they found Dictionary of the Khazars. And so that was my first piece of literature I read. It took me half a year to read its 300 pages.

>>22600850
Wow, you are really stupid.

Anyone got that "begin with the Japanese" chart with the anime girl holding a wooden Buddha statue?

>>22600900
Why bro

>>22600900
*Was stupid. I can read books just fine now.

>>22599794

>>22599794
I have a big pile of these but they’re saved on some old hard disk, so I just got two for you

>>22601385

>>22601385
Thank you anon

Do you have anything that involves the art of memory or make it stick?

>>22601441
I have something on my old hard drive I think, if this thread is still up in a while I could see if I can find those charts.

>>22599794

I have a few

>>22601395
>oera linda
another ironic chart. lame.

lol

>>22601286
> Epic Poetry of America
Holy shit. I didn't even know this was a thing!
This is great! I've ALWAYS wanted to see (or write) some modern epics like this. Thanks for the recs anon; I'll check these out.

>>22601441
Found my old hard drive, some of this is normie lit but still pretty good for what it is.

>>22601512
> Have ADHD
> Try to read ADHD book
> Can't focus long enough to read anything
It hurts to live

>>22601512
>>22601672
> Can't pay attention enough to realize whether something's already been posted.
Doesn't give me much confidence in the recommendations, then.

>>22601385
Extremely kino chart!

>>22599794

>>22599794
like this one

>>22599794
also

>>22601806
I don't get this organization system. Why are they all in different quadrants?
Is it just so you can figure out their names based on those legends to the right? Despite their titles already being visible on the cover? Is that really all there is to it? Wouldn't it be better to just have the titles under the books, like with everything else?

>>22601826
I don't think it's for any particular reason other than identification

>>22599794

>>22599794
Actual waste of time. You do not need to know set theory (beyond basics) to be a successful mathematician. Also, frankly the best way to learn low level math a la college algebra, trig, calculus whatever is to teach it, which if you're getting a graduate education in math you will be doing.

>>22601835
I love Chinese lit! Thanks anon!!

>>22601993
>>22601806
>>22601802
>2014-2018 /pol/sisters gave this much importance to "le literal 1984!!!" reddit book

>>22600850
Can you tell me more about the Dictionary of the Khazars? Is it worth it?

>>22602045
>>22601522 makes a lot more sense. If you can do all the core texts there, you’re equipped for advanced mathematics.

>>22602691
> "Gatekeeper's Remorse"
Huh? What's that mean?
Forgive me for being a brainlet, but I don't recognize any of these texts. Which is kind of bizarre for me, actually. I've usually at least heard of ONE of the books in each of these compilations

>>22602849
Successfully gatekeeped.

>>22602852
Well I kind of got that part. But then they came to regret it or something? Why? Did their communities/movements die out?

>>22602867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WpKbVUH-k

>>22602883
Oh! Interesting.
Thanks for the rundown, anon. I would've guessed it was a completely different kind of "gatekeeping" lol

>>22601385
nice chart, but i have to say mortimer's how to read a book is a huge waste of time. the author does a shit job at communicating his main point succinctly, a 500 page book that should have been 100 pages at most. can't recommend

>>22603042
Anything you would suggest as an alternative?

>>22599850
Where are Baudrillard, Jameson, Harvey, Irigaray, Kristeva, Deleuze, and Guattari?

>>22601997
Ah, Abraham Abulafia, the jew who tried to convert a pope and lived to tell the tale.

>>22602705
Yeah, it's a great novel. When I finished it I thought it was so good I contributed to the wikipedia page for it believe it or not, so have a look at that and see if it seems interesting. Basically it's almost like a collection of short stories but they're all in the same universe. Each chapter is like an entry in the 'dictionary'.

>>22603082
Not him, and although I agree with him, I would still read it, but skim or even just skip over the parts you know are repetitive, common-sense or obvious. It's intuitive, you'll be able to tell which parts you want to skip over.

>>22601826
Does it really matter?

Today, I will post it, inshallah

>>22601902
This is the newer, completed chart

>>22603784
>No The Great God Pan
Shit chart

>>22603938
The Great God Pan and Other Horror Stories is indeed a lot better than this Penguin version

>>22601286
The cycle of the West is pure kinography, I'm glad they did Hugh Glass such justice with The Revenant.

>>22601810
The person who created this chart has a very short range view on the deep ecology movement and doesn't truly understnad what it means. Some books here either contradict each other or aren't related to deep ecology at all

>>22605194
Could you explain? Or provide a better list? I was going to go through those books.

>>22605205
Ecology of Wisdom by Arne Naess has a great biography on Arne Naess's life. The extended collection of his works is called the SWAN (selected works of Arne Naess). Essentially his stance is of peace through Ghandian political philosophy, and he helped formulate the deep ecology movement by being inspired by Spinoza. It depends for what line you take - the books recommended here all follow a technoskeptic rhetoric, which is samey and doesn't provide a holistic view of the deep ecology movement.
Some books I've read and recommend for varying reasons within this area, sorry I can't talk about more, these are mainly from memory and what I can immediately see here:
> Spinoza's Ethics (specifically Of the Nature & Origin of the Mind)
> Ecology of Wisdom by Naess (for introduction and overview, progress to specific works from there; he has a lot of thoughts on language and communication, which might not be your thing)
> Emerson's essay Nature, and more on his invisible eyeball idea and self-reliance
> Thoreau's Walden and Civil Disobedience (see also Walden Two by behaviourist B.F. Skinner for an interesting thought experiment on a society living as Thoreau intended here)
> Rachel Carson's Silent Spring
> Aldo Leopold's Sand County Almanac + Sketches (think like a mountain is a really good starting place)
> John Muir's My First Summer in the Sierra
> Sylvain Tesson's Consolations of a Forest
Also fiction books:
> Butcher's Crossing by John Williams
> A Month in the Country by J. L. Carr
> The Worm Forgives the Plough by John Steward Collis
> Frog and Toad by Arnold Lobel / Moomin by Tove Jansson
> Island by Huxley
Would be interested learning your thoughts, or anybody else's thoughts on deep ecology / environmentalism!

>>22599794

>>22599794
Coetzee tiered

>>22605636
Paraphysics

>>22605636
history as literature

>>22599794
>logic
>proofs
>set theory
>analysis
>BASIC MATHEMATICS
I know that this order is technically correct, but it just sounds so cursed.
Maybe I'll look into those first three given how I have no idea how to write proofs.

>>22605894
The first three books, mind you, not the first three topics. The ones by Smith, Hammack, and Velleman.

>>22605661
>Two Years Before the Mast
>The Oregon Trail
>Dichtung und Wahrheit
This is a great chart.

>>22605270
will society go in the deep ecology direction? should we?

>>22601993
Imagine thinking that neo-Luddism is a redpill lmao.

>>22606302
In theory, Arne Naess's points regarding diverse collectivism are sound. You'd want every mind together working toward a shared goal, but factors such as political alignment and religious secularism provide a challenge for true collaboration because everyone believes their 'own way' is correct and that everybody else should follow their group or ideology. Either that, or there are free agents who aren't willing to collaborate at all.
At this point, I think the preservation of nature is less about shifting blame and pointing fingers and more about working together, but in reality, I don't think we're capable. This depresses me and is why I tend to avoid technoskeptic or more nihilistic dialogues regarding environmentalism.

>>22601993
one of the dumbest charts I've ever seen

>>22605644
This is a cool one I saw posted once that I grabbed. fun reading project and represents the high water mark of /lit/

>>22607799
I like stuff like this. I’ve done this before too where you pick four or five books and turn them into a class

making a chart on philosophical scepticism. it's a work in progress.

recommendations welcome.

the 'contemporary' section is very rough. i've just thrown random shit in there. please give ur input anons

>>22599794
Does anybody have that chart some anon made a few months ago? it was a chart of male writers under 35 currently writing, there was one for fiction and one for poetry iirc?

>>22608078
This is the best I got, may have even been from the same thread tho

>>22605636
what these books have in common??

>>22608396
we may never know

>>22601286
There's a couple that's on there that shouldn't be, like Clarel, and a couple beautiful ones that are missing, like the poem Kentucky, that a revised version might be warranted

>>22608293
What about the caronameron?

>>22607797
god damn. sorry you absolute retards, I was just trying to keep this thread alive

>>22601993
>only reading the first volume of capital
retarded

>>22601286
Wild to see The Battlefield Where The Moon Says I Love You on here. That's a fucking amazing book/poem. Highly recommend to any anons reading this

good thread

>>22601512
Digital minimalism changed my life. Highly recommend.

>>22610118
Don't worry about it anon, the chart's layout is just oddly proposed and there's not much jerking off of prominent French or German philosophers in it for some people's liking
Sometimes the case may be that you please none of the people some of the time
Anyway here's an old chart I've had for a while, bit redundant with the other trivium post but I think overlap/deviating lines of thought is fine

>>22610317
Axel’s Castle is great

>>22599850
this one isn't posted because it's bad.
who is interested in reading post-modernism, ever?
this is just rehashing and trying to cope away from being footnotes to antiquity.

Anyone got a chart for H.G. Wells?
>inb4 im laughed at

>>22610906
Haven't read his Andrew Jackson book yet that I have but why would he be laughed at?

post the Ryan core chart. only the real ones know it

>>22605270
Gotta add Gary Snyder to this list

>>22601708
you can do it brother i believe in you
also bump!!

>>22608396
they're by the same author you dumbass

>>22610368
> Social Skills
> "How to Win Friends and Influence People" isn't present
Huh. Is there something particularly wrong with that book? Not that I've read it myself, but everyone's heard of it, so there must've been a deliberate reason to leave it out.

>>22607799
>>22607895
What are the unnumbered ones supposed to be? Don't quite get this one.

>>22611262
>How to Win Friends and Influence People
Because you can sum up the entire book with "Try to be a good person, have empathy, and genuinely care about people." Unfortunately, for some reason, "people" who are sub-30 think that "genuinely caring" is a social engineering skill now.
>>22605194
>Some books here either contradict each other
To be honest, contradictions are not a problem. The idea is to give you different perspectives and you figure it out yourself. People should think for themselves more.
>or aren't related to deep ecology at all
You should have dropped the "at all". Everything is connected, anon, but this list is pretty clearly related and the creator is looking to push the "eco-fascism" branch. Incidentally, I'd like to see more Transcendentalists added in, which leads me to
>>22605270
At least your list is decent. Leopold's Sand County Almanac should be read by everyone, period. Muir is exceptionally important, people should read A Thousand-Mile Walk to the Gulf.
>samey
lol this is a retarded comment and I shouldn't have to elaborate on why.
>doesn't provide a holistic view of the deep ecology movement
It doesn't need to. I honestly think the list should have a few small additions to it, but it's fine. Remove Heidegger, add Sand County Almanac, some John Muir selected works, Emerson's 2-vol collection, (maybe Thoreau), Silent Spring, and Ecotopia for the lulz. Maybe some book that helps communicate the ecological disaster that is immigration. I'm sure a few more things would be nice, but I think the purpose of that specific list is to introduce a few important individuals and concepts to the reader. Remember that "we" worked "deep ecology" into names like "eco-fascism" and "dark ecology" to "meme" the young and angry into it. It worked. As long as we can promote this in conjunction with anti-leftist ideas, it'll be fine. After all, you can't really support over half the shit they promote and genuinely care about the environment.

i made this, its not good

>>22612470
Proof that rare =/= good

not sure how rare this is

>>22608058
hell yeah but weird attachment to Penguin versions

>>22613307
>Letters
Yeah, I'm definitely reading all of this chart.

>>22599794
here ya go
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>>22612470
neat list for someone like me who doesn't give a damn about fashion

>>22614258
its the ones i read that are worth reading more than 2 pages of
fashion books are either cash grabs, wikipedia article summaries, or just pretty pictures for toddlers and pretentious millenials